 I'm your host Matt and I'm Josh and I'm you fuck That's Steve and I'm Tyler You guys did not get the inside joke on that so this definitely is definitely explicitly rated But they're always explicitly rated so I don't know if you're worried about swearing if you're if you if you Have your little kids listening to this. I apologize. I'm sorry to give to give us a background just a very it's very short We in Lebanon speak three languages in one like when we say we want to say hello We say hi key fuck Sava hi isn't in English for hi key fuck is Arabic is how are you and then Sava is All good in French. So this is how we speak in Lebanon. This is our language. So when somebody tells me you are unique You which is what I said for you It's English for you, but Nick means fuck in Arabic. So you fuck We've been giggling like little kids because Because we are we are weird we are weird in Lebanon, but that's how we're born and that's how we speak It's fine. All right. Anyways, welcome the Linux cast such as it is all four of us are here Not in the same room, but in the internet room of discord and we're all awesome And if you're watching the video version of this, there's a brand new background. I had to mention it because it's awesome Do it your own horn do it I can't help it. It's my great. It's my greatest achievement. Damn it All day yesterday on it. No man It's like two weeks ago because I wanted to use it last week, but all you fuckers were gone Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I work 22 hours. I don't care excuses This is the Linux cast we talk about Linuxy things And we stalk about the news we have a lot of news for you guys to talk about this this week So we're gonna do that but first as we always do we go around the horn and talk about the things that we've done this week So Josh What distro are you on this week man? I'm on the same one as last time you guys saw me I'm still a gen two In fact, I actually updated this gen two for the first time in three weeks yet yesterday It was quite the experience because you know, I I did this like three hours before I was supposed to like dude Do the distro hacking streams? I didn't know if I was gonna finish in time. In fact, it didn't But it did like up within like the first five minutes, but it was also like because of all my issues, I think But so what have you been up to in the flash world this week? Let's see here. I fixed storm OS for Ben Fitzpatrick I think he's working on building and a new image for that that he's supposed to be getting posted sometime this month Because it's supposed to be the July update and I told him hey, man, you got you got a week to fix that That's and then I Filed like 17 bug reports to Red Hat today This last week or actually last two weeks Because because I wasn't here last weekend and I ran into a couple issues And then I had I had a couple choice words with the Red Hat developers. Well over and I perf scandal Did you get banned nope Well, there's always to I wish it's much harder it's much harder for me to get myself banned when I'm paying them 400 bucks a year per server It's much harder to fan someone they give when they give you money Yep So Steve what about you what you've been up to this week? I Wouldn't have asked that question if I were you It's gonna be a storm No, well, here's here's what I've been up I've been banning people left and right. I've been working on scripts. I've been working on zero Linux and I am currently Managing a new team Behind the scenes team not team of zero Linux. It's just a team of people a group of people But yeah We had a lot of issues on the server Suffice it to say it ended it ended badly so I had to go back two years and go back to using Arcos ALCI to build the Isos no longer. Do we use our own in-house script because We had issues with that not working issues just issues with like with the developer So we lost the team. There's no longer a zero Linux team There's no next team. It's just me and Gameworking from our server my server who's also Lebanese So it's a we called it the pure Lebanese distro now We no longer will accept anyone into the core team we had we had arguments a lot of arguments and I had to figure out what to do how to do and then the grub issue hit and I had to figure that one out I had to figure the set font issue that also it's not a big issue It's just a message error message that appears at every boot, but the system works just fine But users thought it was an error. So I had to come up with an ingenious way to fix it So I fixed that I had to rebuild the current ISO with the fixes embedded like The new repo with grub held back had to build that push it Online and continue working on the upcoming release So I've been really busy and I quit YouTube today was my last day on on my channel I mean on my YouTube channel today my podcast Saw a beautiful end where we played a little bit of zonotic at the end We had so much fun where Josh killed me ten times That bastard Yeah so He showed me for the for the noob that I am. Thank you, Josh. You're welcome using a trackball Yeah, and I was using that trackball because that's the only mouse I have but anyway Other than that it was a constant back-and-forth trying to I made a video that I published last night That was begging for help. I never done that. I never thought I would reach the point where I will beg for help But not beg but call for help And now zero next is in a place in a very Stale place There's no more new features that I can add to zero next. I need help. I need people to help So help it grow basically have new features new ideas new new fresh thing For me my I'm blank. I'm blanked out. I'm done all the knowledge is depleted now I need other people to help contribute to contribute help and help it grow So that with that being said I'm still now now. I'm managing new people coming in to help Because they answered my call We need a new website Zaini. That's your area please Well, I'll get to that here When I get to what I'm what my week's been like, but keep going website bullshit Okay, so we need a we need a website back end to host and a back end to host the server the isos ourselves instead of relying on third-party host We need social media people. We need discord people. We need github people. I Don't yeah, and all contributors There's no way to compensate thing What a question on the iso thing? Why don't you just upload your isos to github or get lab or something? Because they're 2.5 or 2 or 2.8 gigs. They don't allow anything beyond 2 gigs Okay, what about source and I'm not about to zip them into four or five zip files So the only thing I'll say about source forages, I mean like you could definitely do it but I do it There's a mirror selector now and now I link to the mirror selector instead of linking to the iso directly where Sure forage in all their wisdom select always the wrong mirror for everyone So I said I linked to the mirror selector where users will select the appropriate mirror themselves But it's still annoying because uploading is very slow over there. My connections. I just I've never liked using source forage That's why we want something on the back end to host the because I tried it I said I put the iso on my server and I asked One of my members to download it. He downloaded it in 30 seconds that and as somebody that Actually used to look at the uploading code to source forage source forage is terms of throttle a throttle No, it's not the throttling. It's it's the licensing They they were what it is that if if for some reason you stop updating your project on source forage Within 90 days and it says this in their terms of use within 90 days. They have full rights to completely take over your project Yeah, except oh wait 90 days. That's when I update upload my iso every 90 days So I am right on the cusp. Yeah, if I okay good They didn't take it over. They won't take it to answer Alex in the chat Yes, uh, zero lengths does have a torrents at last I checked. Yes there We have forced we host our torrent on false torrents. They hosted for us And they have a hybrid system of torrent and direct link or however that works But they have a regular torrent hybrid torrent and yeah, they they served us well so far But we need to host our isos ourselves with a download counter. That's my only Stipulation I need a download counter. Oh dude. We can do that. No problem. That's No, baby, I can I can do that for you easy But it's gonna have to be most likely the easiest and probably the best way of implementing that is gonna be with Javascript so people are not gonna be happy about that. But like, you know, it's fine It is what it is, but your site already probably has Javascript on it. It is The website is react. Yes. Yeah, but yeah, we need help from all we are getting help So far, we got a few people But I cannot confirm yet because they have to give me a test a Demo of what they are working on before I agree or disagree. So I have all this happening At the same time. So I had to quit YouTube I had to quit something because I cannot be doing all these things all by myself so I decided to concentrate on zero Linux and everything around it minus the Technicalities of a website of github and we're working on again right now We're trying to work on a github action system where it builds or the AUR packages that we host Be a github actions and then pushes them to our repo automatically without me having to build each and every package every week so a Lot of things are in the works behind the scenes on zero Linux, but I had to quit something or else I would burn out because the reason we quit the pot We took a hiatus long hiatus from the podcast was because Jesse and I were burnt out So we had to come up with an episode to say goodbye to everyone and Something had to give and since I am not a content creator and I hate it and it causing me anxiety So I had to quit the thing that's causing me anxiety. So I quit YouTube There will be videos whenever something urgent arises, but that's it nothing nothing constant nothing Like that so with that being said up and up to a lot. Sorry. It was long-winded, but guys I'm burnt out. So yeah, help. I need help. So it's all it's always good like to vent, you know after a long stressful fucking week It's good. Yeah, it's not a fucking week. It's a it's a lot. It's been a long month For me and and if you watch today the last episode of the zero bytes podcast It's a it's 45 minutes of me venting I'm sure it'll get better Tyler what have you been up to in the open-source world this week? Well, um, so I am By the way guys before you jump since sorry, sorry you're up to you he made No, you had a YouTube stream this week. You know, he remember he remembered his password. I was shocked yep I'm speaking to that. I I'm glad you said that because I probably would have forgot to mention it But I am working on a couple of videos right now I haven't uploaded them yet just cuz I've also been working on here just like very recently I've been like at the past day. I've been playing around with Gemini again and I was not willing to spend money on VPS for a Gemini if you don't know what Gemini is It's a protocol alternative to like HTTP like the regular what you think of with a worldwide web So I can demonstrate it. I mean people you you probably can't see this really well, but it doesn't really matter But it's just a Yes, I love transparency, but it's just an all-text Version of like HTTP that's more secure by design But oh shit wrong wrong button keep pressing the wrong ones. Sorry little stone. Whoops. Anyway Oh But yeah, so I've been messing around with Gemini here lately And I just found out that if anyone wants to get a free VPS for three months And on top of that if you if you're doing something really small with it like just hosting a Gemini capsule or whatever Then you probably should go check out AWS Even though Amazon's evil and like, you know, whatever at the same time they give you Three months free VPS and you can get a half gig of RAM to CPU cores 20 gigabyte SSD and a terabyte of bandwidth for three dollars and fifty cents. So it's pretty nice Oh, so yeah, I got one. So I'd say that Huh? I've got I've got an alternative. It's scarier than a AWS But Oracle has a completely free VPS Limits a bandwidth. Yeah, I'll pass For some reason But for for you know the listener that cares Oracle's free VPS is an is a single core System that gives you like 256 megabytes of RAM, which is basically enough to ship you a static static beserved website Yeah, but it is it is a server you can SSH into and and spin up it and you next so But before I forget the the other thing that I've been up to is I did change around a lot of the animation code and the wallpaper that you see like on my desktop is Made by in the animations I'm using are also made by The guy that you call super annoying ooglu or oglo. However you say his name He makes fantastic wall fafers because we call him the 14 year old pain in my ass is what we call him He is all about nix-o-s though So annoying Stop pinging me you little asshole I love you, but you can't get an asshole Was he started? No, I've not changed the board the border animation is kept dude. It's beautiful, man All right, by the way, if you guys don't know this if you check out my hyperland config Which I need to push up my new my my new stuff from oglo, but My animation and wallpaper and all that stuff is is in my dot files And Josh was super nice and did the border animation. So I have the 45 degree angle colors But they rotate and spin Which is pretty nice. It's pretty nice So but um, yeah, uh other than then that stuff and uh just being more active like In the linux space I I did also Hop into josh's stream where uh, I offered to help big pod redo his channel art And like make him a thumbnail template Uh for his for his stuff and then I was like, I'll also show you some obs settings to improve the quality of your recordings And uh, I mean I can also show you some editing tricks and dude I think it was everyone but like one maybe two person this like five six person call we're like all like, uh Do you think you could do that for me too? So apparently sometime in the near future. I'm going to be having like a class on discord About making content sounds like as you stumbled into a perfect business idea Yeah, you should definitely charge for that I I think what I'll do is I'll record it and then I'll uh post it a patreon Well, no, no, you won't post it a patreon You'll make it a you you'll make it a udemy course and then you'll build like 300 bucks for it And just call it youtube master class dude Okay, see here's I'll never buy another udemy course because I purchased one on really good fps animations to make in blinder Which trust me it was a great course. It was definitely worth the money But also at the same time after I purchased it and it took the course A month later. I found it on youtube for free. He just uploaded it Yeah, it was like dang it The the the trick you have to have with the udemy stuff is that they're always having a sale like always having a sale So you can always get those things for like $4.99 Yeah, so anyway, so me for me, I've uh Man, I've done a lot of crap this week because I don't even know really where to start Um, I'm still on open suza. I started a new challenge. I talked about that earlier. Um, I'm on tumbleweed it's been Fucking amazing. It's been so good. Um, and every single I've had a few problems But it's been actually very entertaining to go through and just you know, solve the problems from ones instead of saying, uh I'm just gonna you know, hop, you know, that's usually what I do is when I discover a problem Uh, I hop to a different district because I'm too lazy to fix it. But this time I've been fixing the problems Uh, I did have another hard drive fail on me this this week, which is just That's the just pro tip Don't buy used hard drives on ebay. Just don't do it. It doesn't matter how much you save it doesn't I mean It's a it's a silly silly thing to do. Just don't do it. Um Jesus the 14-year-old penny ass is in my chat room now Stop talking about nixon ways. Oh glow. Stop it. Um I I totally don't have like 30 plus hard drives at a bottom of ebay. I swear I I say that advice but I'd probably still do it because you see you can get some really good deals Man, this is a good deal five five-year challenge hip dad. Are you gonna use our cove for five years? Uh, I'll take your challenge right now with my setup. I'll take it Who wants to bet against him who wants to bet against him? Oh, no, but see the thing is though is if I accept a five-year challenge, there's Money on the table. All right Money Well, let's see here in five years. Uh, my business should hopefully be more profitable than it already is Uh, so I might be able to pay you something by then but no guarantees because you know, it is a business after all You could put a million dollars on that bet it wouldn't matter because he'll hop I swear. I mean I mean in contracts. We're lined up to we're lined up We're lined up to have like 12 million in revenue for next year Look, here's the thing here's the thing This is all it's going to take A small down payment with compounding or excuse me not down payment Bet with compounding interest over time. That's the bet we make Like five-year challenge done And also I will say one thing um If you guys want anyone who watches this podcast, trust me. I'm you you are in for a treat today Please for the love of god treat yourself and go over To josh's discord and there's a channel called hot takes There's one about chintu For the love of all that is holy read it. It is it is such a good read. It's fantastic There's so many replies. I posted the invite link in there for you It's so good But yeah, uh, yeah, I'll I'll I'll take that bet five-year challenge on this for sure But it's gotta be money. So I'll tell you what tell you what uh to get to compounding interest I'll I'll I'll probably go to the bank sometime this week. Well, I'll put up a new savings account just for you 25 dollars initially five dollars a week week afterwards And uh, it'll it'll have like a super low interest rate. So it's so probably won't gain too much Which you know for every week. It's another five dollars. How's that sound? I'm gay. I'm gay All right, I'm gay We're not gonna do this on writing. What does josh get? When what do I get like in three weeks? Well, I mean worse comes to worse. You get the compounding interest but But it's my money to begin with Well, exactly But if you win, I'll ship you One, uh, I'll ship you one of my really nice monitors I'll either ship you a 4k monitor or a 1440p curved gaming monitor I'll I'll ship you a really nice monitor. Tell you what you still got that ultra wide Yes, I do. Do you want that one? He ship me the ultra wide It's the cheapest out of all of them, but it's dude. It is the nicest It feels like we're taking advantage of the high guy I'm gay. Well, I'll agree to that. Let's talk about this again tomorrow for confirmation. All right. Yes Five years, you're on gen two right now Tyler And you're using hyperland. So you got to stay on gen two and hyperland for five years Yeah, five years. All right, let's see it. We'll see it. I can do it I'm half tempted. I gotta find a way to bet against you. I'm just I'm sorry man. I you're my brother, but You don't have a chance Dude, I love this. This is gonna be great. It's gonna be carnage 20 25 dollars with five dollars a week over five years with compounding interest talk That's some good money. I'm down. I'm game All freezing gen two Okay, you guys need to get together like afterwards and like get some rules because if it does that include like Like reinstalls if something goes wrong, you know, no, no, he's got to maintain it It's gen two you you got a figure. Yeah Well, I mean the the only thing that I that I will say is it does count if I like Let's say the ssd that I'm using dies And I have a backup. I can put that back on another ssd and that still counts, right? Yeah, that's a pure backup There's there's a package called makes make mk stage four You should probably install that because that'll make a stage four tar ball for you Which then all you have to do is that is just Extract tar ball onto your system and now you now you have your system back That said it's a giant tar ball That was some that was some good inner internet Yeah I understood about half of what he said, but that's okay. I'm sure I'm sure there were no important details in there It scared the hell out of me for a second because for just a second Steve was sitting so perfectly still and I was only looking at the discord window I thought for half a second my whole computer in for us and I was like Steve is Steve is over there just watching this like a train wreck waiting to happen That's because it is waiting to happen because I'm gonna win Oh, I get all I guarantee this is this is this is a suckers bet Sorry, Tyler, but it's almost as bad as the two two years for me. Like I like I chose two years And then people were very not People had no faith that I could do two years. I already I already took you up on that on that challenge I'm gonna be running zero innings for another 10 15 years. Yeah It's not a fun challenge a lot of people came at me like like oh, yeah, I've been on slack work since 1993 like I first of all, that's awesome, man I could for you But if you the challenge is if you're a distro hopper find yourself a chat a distro Stay on it for the next two years or if you're absolutely insane five years like Tyler And you never do that do anything by half there. Do you Tyler? And just stay there and maintain and Matt I'll let you know that the joke In in on on my on my private server Is you not lasting the two years That's not that's that's not even a private joke. That's that's I got that all over the place So I'm not offended. Um, I got I got this. I'm gonna prove you there's no money on mine. I'm not gonna get no No, no, no, it's not about money. It's not about money. It's it's about You will reach a point. Well you number one we have we we selected three reason for you To move away either you will get bored either you will Find some something that is too broken for you to keep using Uh, whatever you're using and uh for Open SUSE and for uh for three The package manager will no longer work the way you want it to work three reasons you will move move on to something better We'll see It's it's possible. I failed but we're not making we're not making fun like we make fun of josh because josh is a Different entity. Let's see uh tumbleweed Tumbleweed reaches end of life in in six months. There we go It's it's leap that they're getting rid of right so all right. Yeah, let's let's go ahead And this will just happen like a month. I'm two weeks in by the way fuckers two weeks today Two weeks is nothing. I know Talk talk the talk Everybody's got to start somewhere And I have started when you when you come up to a year Close to a year then come tell us. Oh, see see fuckers one year by the way guys Disturbox is the best thing I've ever invented. I'm just I'm just telling you this Disturbox is fantastic Every time I use it. It's just it's so good Anyway, it is it is great In in idea wise, but in practice. I already I tried it in a vm I already broke it 12 times pretty sure that the in the vm part is probably where you went wrong Virtualizing something and containerizing something inside of a virtual machine is going to be different Then on on machine on the on metal But I don't want to test it on my on my main machine because I use that for production I've used it before it it works fine. It's good. All right. Anyways, let's go ahead We're we're 40 minutes in guys and we haven't even got to any of the news It's fine. It's fine. Let's see if we can oh my good. Let's see if we can burn through this So josh your first one, please. Oh my first one. Okay I want to talk about what's going on in the eu right now because it's actually pretty bit of bit of a big deal I was watching the linux experiment today, which he mentioned this and I got to reading this act It's called the eu cyber resilience act. It's not I don't think it's law yet But at the same time I don't live in the eu so uh, I I'm in america But basically what this is this is a proposed law to us to create a commission that certifies software and by that certification Uh, what it is that this is that software is supposed to be maintained is supposed to be secure And uh, and it's got a and if it's got a corporation behind it It's got to be audited to by that same commission Now this is a this is a problem because uh, you know, the free and open source software exists There's an exemption for for if the if the project can prove that The contributors are spread throughout the entire world making contributions on a volunteer basis Not as an organization so projects like void linux will be perfectly fine whereas Uh, other projects such as red hat uh ubuntu or even smaller scale stuff like, you know, zero linux for example Uh, you might be subject to this steve Oh my god Thank god. I'm not in the eu. Yep tech technically speaking Uh, do you are you ll ced steve? Like a like are you a company? No Yeah, so you you would not be subject to this because you're an individual But if you ever if you ever did like get a small team and become a corporation or just a small company You would be subject to this in the in the eu Which is kind of wild because there's definitely a lot of small businesses out there that are Either making linux distros or making something like that within with a piece of software And maybe a small device and that's what this law is targeting but I think a lot of them will I mean, I don't I don't think this is really going to be that bad of a thing because we kind of need it if you don't if anyone who's unfamiliar with like articles About this kind of stuff because just so you know the article starts off with from baby monitors to smart watches And like you don't have to read anymore if you know those devices So many of them are heavily unsecure come with modified hardware that most likely calls back to a chinese server and other Potentially malicious stuff. So it's kind of It's kind of a good thing that someone's kind of trying to regulate the space because I I think that's what Typically heavier regulation pushes out a lot of bad actors So this should be a good thing Yeah, it's really it's realistically just a question of like how they actually plan to implement it because uh, You know, there's so much software written every single day that it's basically going to be like borderline impossible Just to keep track of all this I Yeah, but I'll I'll be interested to see how it works out for them If I mean they're gonna have a lot of resistance if they do try to keep Certain linux distributions out of the EU for whatever reason um, because I mean obviously linux is huge on servers and They'd have a hard time, you know, I go tell whatever giant EU corporation You can't use linux on your server anymore because you know, it doesn't pass this certification Well the EU is is is Do I I don't understand what the hell the EU is under what kind of drugs they're taking but Oh, it's it's guys. It's way worse here in the states. There's a bill It really is there's a bill being proposed right now in the senate, which is bipartisan That's basically going to say that if you want to use anything on the internet, you have to be registered with your driver's license Like yeah, like in order to see anything that's controversial in nature. You have to have a registered Uh identity with that service So places like twitter and facebook have to have your basically your driver's license in order for you to view that thing Which I mean first of first of all not everyone has an identification If you're 18, that's that I mean that's part of the reasons why voting laws are such a problem But also the idea that who decides what's controversial, you know, so well and and also the idea that You're going to enforce companies to take in government information But you're also like We already have an issue like you've already investigated them multiple times for not being able to secure information right, so like What like I I think there's a lot of these laws that the good thing about the EU And the us is a lot of these laws do get proposed but a lot of them do get shut down The the the only thing though is is you do have to be scared anytime one of these laws comes up because we all know Who runs government and they're all like 70 year olds who like don't know at best About yeah, like at best they can send a tweet but like They're kind of in that generation where they could be sending off a tweet to seven people or 700 million They have no idea So if you guys want to I've talked about this before but if you want to see some pure gold entertainment during one of the hearings someone had to go up in front of these like 60 and 70 year old senators and explain what block chain is It was hilarious And I just like like that poor guy like you could just just tell that they were not getting it Like it was just going from one ear out to the other was it was absolutely utter entertainment Um, but anyways, yeah, any anything else to say about this EU thing before we move on No, no, it's just Too too political. No, I'm just reading awareness for it. That's really it. Yeah. Yeah, but at the end of the day It's all politics if you're in the EU get out Exactly honestly, I'd rather move to the EU at this rate Yeah, which is it also is fine an island where there's no regulation. I'm sure it's all going to go fine It's not as if there's not oh, yeah, you know, like lord of the flies or so. It's gonna be fine, right? That's Russia. If you that's Russia. If you pay the authorities enough money, all right Well, actually that's many countries if you got enough money. Yeah, the United States if you got enough money Well, I get you got enough money. You just pay the fine All right, all right Tyler your first one, please So my first one is uh, we're gonna do the proton eight So proton eight dot oh dash three Whatever proton eight Release with more windows games running on linux. So yeet You can finally get even more games, but I mean it's a list of A few good ones like, you know, uh, I'm sure a lot of people want to play ghost recon breakpoint Breakout Dude, yeah the most important game We all we all know people are dying to play minecraft legends on steam I cannot believe that tom clancy's Uh, uh rainbow six stuff is still going on The guy's the guy's been dead for 20 years, by the way I mean, he's got a lot of books. He does it. He has a lot of books after he died Yeah, like robert. Look robert. Ludlem's the same way. He uh, they just continued carrying on using his name afterwards I find that weird. But yeah, so for everyone who Uses proton a game on linux, which I literally all of you um Go ahead get get the new version of proton, which uh, by the way, if you're just using like The stable release release of proton Stop Just like look, there's nothing wrong with it If you're using a modified version of like proton g e for example Then obviously get the new updated version and modified it But if you're just using like the from stock versions of valve use the experimental version. Yeah I guess I have I have a couple things to say So first of all when you do enable proton and steam The experimental one now is default, right? That's just what it just sets up, right? Yeah, okay So my big question is why doesn't steam just come with proton enabled by default? Uh, every game works on proton still and that and uh, they don't want somebody like Me to share like my library with someone who just like who's just new to computer gaming Which I've done before for new people and if they're running linux and I share my library with them and then all of the games that run on proton show up which By the way, like I mean technically all of my games are like either linux or windows So they're all going to show up as installable. So that person's going to stall some like VR game that's definitely not going to work or some game like call of duty like, you know Like like one of the call of duty black ops like two. I think doesn't work for whatever reason I don't know but like one of those so they just they don't want that happening So they assume Well, they assume if you're going to enable Proton then you've at least found out what it is And you probably know of proton db or at the very least you'll know to like pay attention to whether or not the compatibility support icons there Every time I play a new game. I'm astonished at how many games now are playable on linux like I would not have thought that red dead redemption 2 would play on linux, but it plays flawlessly Like so good. Um, unfortunately, that's like 170 gigabytes. Like what the I mean it took forever to download and my stupid ass because it was before I started this challenge And I was hopping like three more times. I had to redownload it like twice. So my my caps my my cap my, uh ISP caps are like really really close this month. So it's not good So if the streams go down to 25 kilobits per second, you guys don't know why I have a solution to that. It's called. Uh, I already have my entire steam library downloaded and installed It's just sitting in there on the server. Yeah, I should I should do that, but I'm I'm not not I just don't do it. So how often do you update your entire steam library? Whatever games whenever game updates available Oh, so you keep it up. Yeah, you can just keep it running Yeah, you just keep steam running and it just updates them in the background Yeah, that's what I normally do. Yeah All right, um, who's who's next steve is are you next or josh? I don't I think it's I already went it was it was me the entire I wasn't paying attention. It's all right I'm too busy playing red dead redemption right now. I even got the control right here Like I'm just I'm just playing. I'm just it's awesome. Anyways, um, steve You're you're your first one, please my first one is a funny one My first one is the funny one because the next one is very hard uh My first one is just plasma six updates, but I I labeled the topic in the in the document in the docs Plasma goes beep beep when you when you plug in a usb And you are inject the usb because in all in all their wisdom now the plasma developers Felt like copying windows and adding a sound for whenever you Plug in a usb device or eject it and other with other sounds for other actions I literally think that plasma is the only desktop environment on linux that does not do that Or or did not do that They will be doing that now because I know gnome when you delete and you hit the end of the delete It starts beeping like for no reason So they're doing that and they're changing them Sorry, they They're adding for the meta b plus b combination to select a systems acpi platform profile power profile basically So you can switch using meta b. You can switch power profile now Especially if you're on a laptop or something And uh, oh, yeah the the plasma six For the network if you are In an airport for example, and you want to connect to their wi-fi which prompts you to answer give them your life story And and a half Well, now it will show a login Thingy in in line in the in the drop down So, uh, and now they're adding like I said Playing sounds more more sounds and kde plasma. So kde is becoming more annoying Hello That this is the right. This is exactly what we're talking about when we say Sometimes plasma are high on bomb Tyler, what are you doing on kde team? What are you doing? Look look I haven't touched kde in forever And here here's one thing I will say about kde. I did see it I can't remember I I think it was one guy on my server had a popo s installed where he installed kde and had had a Theme like with the popo s wallpaper and it matching the popo s default system theme It I got to be honest kde with a popo s theme does actually look A surprisingly really good like very very good But I don't I don't think a lot of the kde projects that I've seen lately have been getting As Many features as I typically say no no more features there. It's a lot. It's a lot more bug fixing, but Yeah, I don't know It's because it's the plasma 6 port that they're working on. Yeah, there was one Yeah, but they're introducing some of the They're backboarding some of the fixes in plasma 6 to plasma 5 but Some of their decisions I question like the audio Why why why make it more annoying? I I like okay, so I I'm An old school guy. I like when my computer plays sounds when things happen But I also I mean it's gonna be kde you can just go in there and say don't play me sounds I mean, it's not gonna be like yeah, you know, I'm where you can't turn them off You know like like for example, I'm old school as well If I don't have a pc speaker inside my case So every time I turn on my my pc. I get a beep to know that it turned on I cannot live without that. I need that. I need those in my life So I if I do if I buy a system I build a system that doesn't have one I go buy a bunch of them So yeah, there's that but the annoying system sounds The system sounds are annoying because when you're doing Backspace and you reach the beginning of the line without noticing It's beeping on you. It's kind of annoying because it goes I'm like, oh you can turn that off in the settings Yeah, I know but turning them by default come on let the user choose Everything I think that everything is turned on by default. Okay. It's just a way to turn all the lights on and then You turn them off. It's like opt out. It's opt out No, you have to opt in. All right. Let's go ahead and move on to the next one Hey guys, did you know this? It's the year of the linux desktop? I don't know if you guys know Is it? Oh, shit. It's the year of the linux desktop. We hit three percent fellas. It's time to pack it in We don't need to do anymore The reason why I include this one is not because I think it's impressive that we reached three percent More I'm putting this in because if you've been paying attention to the linux community over the course ever since this was first announced You would think that it was the most glorious achievement. We've ever seen in our lives Some of the headline even this Even the one here on ours techno linux could be three percent of global test Global desktops. What happened to windows? Don't worry Windows is fine. It's still like 67 or 72 68 68 for 68 percent. It's some crazy number It's fine windows isn't dead. What's scary. What's scary is that mac os is climbing It's not all that surprising and they have really good heart I mean uh people in general have been really hyping up the mac hardware the past couple years So, uh, of course they're going to sell with with like 20 hour battery life. It's just nuts Listen, uh apple hardware is respectable, but I will let you in on a secret Apple's planned obsolescence Is as an all-time high does that matter to the average consumer? No If they have money, it doesn't matter. But if they don't have money, it does Even if they don't have money, it doesn't still matter to them Of course because if it dies too early, then they will have to buy a new one Can I point out all the old android phones that I still see every single day? Well old phones, okay, but it'll be the same exact thing with these laptops No, no, what I'm talking about is planned obsolescence early planned obsolescence uh The there are people currently with m m one laptops m one laptops complaining that their laptops just died out of the blue a lot of reports Hundreds of thousands So planned obsolescence after after a couple of years That's not when the old max used to live At least seven to ten years So, uh, they're they're tightening their hands around that So, yeah, you're going to enjoy your mac for the for the next three four years But that's it then you have to buy a new one Have fun Every four years spend three thousand bucks have fun They they even have a department for planned obsolescence. It's called the department of planned obsolescence at apple Well, okay, um Imagine that a company that has a department for planned obsolescence Well, apparently in the u.s. Linux is getting less popular so they went from 2.14 to 1.96 So don't pop the cork in the champagne quite yet. We're still when I come back to my second to my second article We're gonna talk about that. Just wait. Just wait Get your uh, get your, uh, cotton's in your ears because you're gonna be hearing an earful I'm warning you from now. It's like I'm giving you a warning All right, let's let's work on getting there. So let's go up before we jump into the rest of the news. Let's talk about the, uh What do we usually do next? Oh, I'm not the high one, right? Contact information. Sorry. Yeah, there's a contact information Sorry too busy playing red dead redemption. Um I don't know why I'm even here Anyways, if you want to get contact with us, you can do so in any number of ways The best way is to turn over to the website the linuxcast.org there You'll find previous episodes all the way back to season one and while I'm here I'm just going to make an announcement which I should have made earlier I'm working on transferring our podcast hosting from Spotify to something different So if everything goes to plan you won't even notice a difference But if something does go wrong and you want to You know watch a previous or listen to a previous episode the they'll be on the website for now But you really nothing should go wrong there. It should be fairly easy But anyways, uh, you can contact us via email email at the linuxcast.org You can support us on patreon on patreon.com slash linuxcast josh All of his contact information is at 10 and lead j.com slash stalker. Tyler has a youtube channel, which he remembered this week He's at youtube.com slash zanyo g Steve he's not on youtube anymore hit today was his last day. So you want to follow him at fosterdon.org slash at dark zero zero at zero linux at zero linux He has too many names guys. He's he's he was he's I said no not anymore not anymore Now I settled on ad zero linux on twitter on fosterdon everywhere. Oh good Then I don't have to remember tech zero and dark zero and all the other forget good. Okay, excellent Anyways fosterdon.com org slash at zero linux zero with an x not a z. Uh, you can follow I'm on Mastodon Josh is on mastodon. Tyler does have a mastodon account. I don't know if he knows that he does I didn't know he did Barely ever use it if ever I'm pretty sure he signed in one time And that's it. But anyways, we're all on mastodon. So head on over to check that out You can find all of this contact information If you don't want to type it in manually by going to the linuxcast.org slash contact there You'll find links to all this stuff. Uh, steve remind me. I'll put your fosterdon one up there I want to have a chance. So don't forget anyways, and Make sure you hit the subscribe button on the channel youtube.com slash linux cast there You'll find daily almost daily YouTube videos on various linux awesome topics. So head on over And be awesome hit the like button be you be a youtuber. It's gonna be great Anyways, so let's go ahead then and move on to the second half. Uh, we're we're doing pretty good. We did uh Looks like we did uh three topics for four topics in about 15 minutes. So not too bad moving on Let's go ahead and say josh your second one Oh my second one. Okay, uh, you have you guys ever installed a microcode before You know a little ucode package that you install when you're installing arch Linux or anything like that The software instruction set well for the microcode for amd is going to get a little bit bigger uh, it used to basically what the change is is that uh With with the latest processing skews for for am 5 and for the future Uh, the microcode size Package package size is going to get larger for an undisclosed reason But uh, there was a patch submitted into the linux kernel Colonel today that changes the page size from 4k to about eight times that So it's going to get substantially bigger. Maybe So basically it was at three megabytes is going to be like 12 megabytes it might it might get a lot bigger than that who knows I like the amd microcode I mean in general it's probably not a bad idea to install microcode if the microcode is available on your distro Yeah, because that's security updates for your flawed hardware Speaking of which I uh, I created a script for zero linux for calamar is basically Where it will automatically detect which microcode you have remove the one that's no longer needed Shaving it out of the install operating system That's better than video cards arco arco won't select the unicode the the unicode it will install both It will install both it just installs both and gives you an option that but doesn't take the other one out. I don't Yeah, exactly. That's change back and forth on that That's that's uh, that's a frustration. I had for the longest time. I was like steve you need to do something about that So I figured it out used the uh Chat gpt to create the script and done steve's gonna come up with a way to not be on the podcast one day and just send chat gpt in his place Sure, that's gonna happen Dolly Dolly supports a live caption deep fakes Yeah What makes you so sure i'm not a deep fake right now? Uh, your hardware Yeah, okay All right, but I am excited for that new for the new fat amd microcode because I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure there's gonna be lots of spaghettis in there just for us All right, so who's next steve your your next one because No, no, let tyler go first because my next one's gonna be We're combining tyler's and mine because they're both about the same topic. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay got it. Okay Are you ready guys? Yeah already your horses. It's gonna be great because more grub news. It's gonna be fantastic Right, oh Not grub specifically It's it's it's xfs. It's grub and xfs plus together Uh combination equals uh divorce Uh, what do I mean by that? Okay Grub developers from oracle had the audacity to build Four versions or fucking versions of grub back to back using the old version of xfs prox Which caused a problem With xfs if uses like me who use xfs select xfs during installation they will get the The normal dot mod not found error because grub Cannot will not be able to read the boot partition, which is at that point on a xfs partition Uh xfs, uh, it'll be on xfs. So But we at zero next decided to do is hold back grub at r499, which is the last working version Of grub because don't forget grub are working on 2.12 Which comes after 2.06 which will include two or three years of updates of fixes in that one single update But so far they have proven The the ignorance of the existence of anything else that might belong to a system like xfs the file system They uh for whatever reason they think it doesn't exist. So uh They don't care that's my problem with linux. They don't communicate. They don't intercommunicate. They don't care Each person company whatever you want to call it individual developers You can call them shitheads for all I care they build whatever they build Ship out the door And call it a day Fuck if it works And there's even worse Something to add fuel to the fire arch That ships something without even testing just blindly ships. Okay. They push the commit. We built the uh, we built the package and If people have issues fuck them Uh It's starting to get annoying. It's starting to get to the point where I don't know why no other distro maintainer gets frustrated like I do I feel like I'm alone in this fight but linux as a whole Is at an impasse right now. It's it's at a I don't know at at standstill because there's those people from this base Like debbie and hating people from ubuntu people from ubuntu hating people from nyx nyx people hating on whatever Nobody wants to communicate. Nobody wants to share. Nobody wants to to build a unified strong uh linux community linux ideology whatever It's it's the wild right now as it stands. I'm not saying it has always been or it will forever be I'm just saying right now as it stands Linux is a wild wild west To each their own We build what we build use it. Don't use it. We don't care what happens. We fix what we fix we do what we do Fuck everyone Like I wanted to mention something that I mentioned to josh earlier I encountered Something happened to me this the other week Where I found a package I wanted to use on zero linux the guy had gpl v3 on his repository I was like, yeah gpl v3 cool. I can fork it. I can modify it. I can do whatever I want with it I take that code and in me and No one behold 20 to 30 minutes later the developer the developer or maintainer of that package Hits me up and he says who allowed you to take my package. I was like you did with your license He was like no not allowed. This is for art distro. Nobody allowed to touch I was like You have gpl. He was like I only put it there because I think I thought that the github Required it I was like no github does not require a license. You can leave it without a license You can put whatever a license. It was like I did not know I was like well too late. You put the gpl v3 so I can fork it. I can modify it. I can use it He was like no, I don't want to share Happened with happened with other people with me On garuda ages ago. They don't want to share anything. They don't want to share Nothing, but now they changed their mind. They're sharing. So it's no longer. It's mute, but I'm giving example so there's a lot of Smaller distros that don't want to share any of their creations. They don't like it. They feel like okay We put gpl v3, but that doesn't mean that we want other distros to use our code I put myself in in the in the shoes of that guy. I was like if somebody forked my welcome tool I'm going to get pissed internally, but I'm not going to get pissed at him I'm just going to put up and shut up because I put a gpl v3 license and I will abide by that license people They slap licenses left and right. They never follow those license and josh. I think you would agree Yeah They just put them for for for show. They just put them for show I honestly think that people just us on on github specifically people just select grub or the gnu license because that's I think I think the gnu license is at the top of the list. I might be wrong. Yeah, I know it used to be It is But as far as I know it still is Yeah, it's like the top of the list of all licenses because you click the button and it gives you a big old drop down It's like, uh, it's like, uh gnu Uh apache, mozilla and then custom or something like that. Yeah I mean, you can also just upload a license file yourself Yeah, but uh People people people hear about the gnu general public license. They go. Oh, yeah, I heard that's a pretty cool license So they'll just slap it on there. They won't even read exactly and That that adds adds more it makes it even worse because some people just don't know what they're doing They just do code. They build beautiful things What I love what I what hurts me is people some people are so smart They create wonderful tools, but they're not willing to share the knowledge I'm okay for not sharing the the tool itself because Maybe it's made for them tailored for them. Nobody else But share the knowledge at least no one wants to share the knowledge. They were I couldn't be bothered and Excuses excuse us. Well, not everyone's a teacher or like no, no I'm not saying she shares the knowledge like a teacher. How did you create the The tool show me what what guides you so you want them to teach you how they know Show me the guides that you use to learn what you learn to create the tool I'm not asking them to teach because I'm sure a hundred percent sure I put I bet my money on that They didn't just come up with it out of out of the blue. They They used their knowledge that they learned from somewhere So I'm I ask for to point me to that knowledge They're not even willing to do that somebody's going to point you towards like their university website Like I you learned it in school, you know, oh, no not that kind of stuff I'm talking about the knowledge they gained from the internet If they gain if they learned it from school, then they can tell me I learned it in school I I have no no issues with that but they don't even say that They just well, I mean, no It's not really reasonable to ask someone how they built a tool like especially if it's something useful It probably does something complex Yeah, but it's free open source Well, I thought we were talking about people who accidentally label it open source They don't actually mean mean to be open source in the first place. Well, you cannot tell Those until you ask them You have to ask them. Why did you put the VGP? I open it. She's on get repos all the time going like, hey, there's no license available for this But I I read the read me stating your goals with with the software It sounds like you should probably put it like some kind of a distributable license on this Yeah So it's it's crumbling it to me to me as a distro maintainer I keep because I as a distro maintainer I contact a lot of developers I contact a lot of developers left and right Like Six times out of 10, they don't want to share They just don't care Like some of them go go as far as saying I could help you but I don't want to That is one of the nice things about uh about having like as as crappy as like compiles and You know accept keywords and use flags can be from time to time It is one of the advantages of pulling just from source like a lot of the times A lot of the times when it comes to getting like Packages from the internet. You never are quite sure if they're open source or not Yeah, like especially with images when you do google images when you when you search for an image on google But now oh, yeah But now for example google asks you what do you want me to display you want me to display all licenses or open license Or whatever now it gives you the choice Google has always had like that toggle option right there if you would click on like the search tools button on google images Uh, then you filter it by the license, but I think that I think now they're presenting it to you It's been a hot minute since I've actually used google image search No, I think it used to be just either it was just the regular search or it was creative commons Those are the only two that you know, yeah Now they're giving you more options for other licenses and stuff because creative commons used to be like the only open like Image-based license that you could have now. There's a couple other ones But yeah to finish up on my on my thing the Currently there is no fix For the grub issue except to hold back grub to version r49 in which however you want to hold it back The way we do it on zero nexus by having that version on our repo So users don't have to run the downgrade command and add to ignore list, but You can do it. Uh, if you are on debian, I don't know if they're they're using the latest grub But if your distro ships anything beyond r499 and you're using xfs Please downgrade to r499 because you're gonna have issues and apparently it also happens On for btrfs, but that's a different it's happening for a different reason So, uh grub full of nightmares, uh, and linux as a whole is Not ideal for and I noticed a lot that Before I started using linux. I was complaining that I uh windows was crapping out so much so many times I had to format my system. Uh, so many times a month But now that i'm in the linux on the linux side of things I see people restore formatting their system like 20 times a day I'm like, oh I was complaining about once or three times a month. Now. I see people 20 30 times a day I think you just had a rough time lately and linux hasn't treated you right I mean, I mean, that's just because I was trying to replicate an issue No, it's also arch itself has been pretty rough as of lately. Yes That's exactly what got got me to this point Is something something man. Harrow is starting to look pretty good Which is wild for so long for so long They had no purpose for existing and now all of a sudden like arch is dropping the ball Okay, so when menjaro first came out many many many years ago It was because arch Linux was going through a phase much much more Much more dangerously than what it is today Where you know, they were starting out kernel Yeah, they would they would like package up like a kernel git commit And then and then ship it downstream to the users And then it would just wipe out the entire root operating system and stuff like that because of a kernel panic and They they did that. Uh, they fixed they they broke every single bootloader The system demigration Was not the greatest thing in the world if you were trying to migrate a live system Uh, and then like all all this other stuff that When people were when people when you see like that the experienced linux users saying that arch Linux breaks That what that's the time that they were referring to because you would just reboot the computer And it just wouldn't boot anymore even if you didn't do any package updates or anything Yeah, that's when that's when manjaro came around and manjaro was a godsend for all of those people that were sick and tired of fixing arch Linux And I and now it's kind of looking like they're back on that They're incredible trend because Now At this good at this point in time People don't install arch install manjaro I mean if you want if you value your sanity and you want something arch like and the a u r go on manjaro If you read like the arch Linux philosophy literally just the arch Linux philosophy It just says that they're going to build packages and then just throw them at you That's the trade-off that you get for running arch Linux and that's why I keep telling people that's why that's why you don't know what you're doing That's why I mentioned uh on my on my podcast that people who come to zero linux And I decided and that was your idea. Uh, I decided to start put putting limitations on the the way people type I did once I was writing a report with the arch public So The arch we started labeling labeling arch internally the distro where you fuck around and find out That's it. Let's go ahead move on to the last two We're going to kind of combine what we'll start with Tyler and then we'll kind of transition into mine as well. So Tyler, your last one, please. Yes. So my last one would be the Linux clone wars have begun. It's more red hat stuff. I mean, it's it's really nothing super new, but I just I've really wanted to share this article just because I found it so interesting that they were talking about all of the clones of rel and and calling it a clone war, which I got to be honest. I've never heard that before. It's genius. I love it. But yeah, this article's a it's a it's a pretty good read. You know, it's it's essentially the clones of red hat attack red hat, red hat slaps back at clones. It's really just a two of them attacked red hat. One of them came out of nowhere to attack red hat. They weren't even they weren't even cloned at the time. And then another one's just another one's actually being a good stepchild. Yeah. Yeah. Which which I believe is all the Linux, right? Yeah. Yeah. So basically the distributions that we're talking about red hat, which is the distribution that that is the cause of the whole scandal. Rocky Linux is one Rocky Linux and Oracle Linux are the two that are attacking red hat. And then open SUSE announced that they're creating SUSE Liberty Linux, which is a hard fork of red hat. Even though open SUSE already ships four different distribution or SUSE ships four different distributions, two of which are free, two of which are paid for. They just needed another one. Yeah. Making another distro using a completely different code base from what they're normally working with. They should have done was just send that $10 million. Basically what I think they're actually doing because they're teaming up with Rocky a little bit, right? Is that they're coming, they're creating a foundation where Rocky's a part of it. Something like that. Yeah. And that $10 million is going to go towards that. So it wouldn't be shocking in like the next few years if Rocky and this opens is a thing kind of like merged to me. I think that they could be the same thing sometimes we're down the line. I don't know if that will end up happening, but it could just because it's most of the money is becoming from open SUSE. Also open SUSE has been bought four times in the last like 10 years. So who the hell knows where they'll be in another few years. It could be bought again. Who knows? Red Hat. It'd be hilarious if Red Hat bought open SUSE. No, but which brings me to a question to you guys. I'm seeing Maxine here in the chat mentioning something about CVE to CentOS Stream. They weren't shut down. What it is that the way that before Red Hat merges a merge request into CentOS Stream and a CVE is issued, there was a CVE issued, however it was still going through security testing to see how bad that CVE actually is. And that determines how quickly they're going to merge the patch because as soon as they merge that patch it becomes a package in CentOS Stream within a few hours. So that's what that whole mess was. And of course the Red Hat developer that stepped in and said that there was no customer demand was not actually authorized to say that. To my understanding, he might be getting in a bit of trouble about that one. But anyways. There's two things that I think we should focus on before we stop this. So first of all, the reaction to Oracle forking Red Hat was utter entertainment if you know anything about Oracle. Oh, look at this, Oracle being the good guys. No. Now, Oracle, big business guys, like they wear the suits and everything, right? I don't think any of those guys wrote that article because that article sounds like it's some hobbyist that just wrote that in his living room and then just posted that up on the Oracle blog. Like, that is not what I would expect to see on the Oracle blog, that kind of article. Well, it read as if somebody wrote it who had no clue about the history between Oracle and Linux itself. Yeah. Like, hello. They've been in the courtroom trying to sue Linux out of existence for 20 years. So it would almost be like Microsoft forking Red Hat Linux and then claiming themselves the victor. So before we end this, I want to ask you guys, your opinion, is Red Hat the good or the bad guy? Red Hat's still the good guy. Well, according to Josh. No, I agree. I agree 100%. I don't think they're bad guys. I'm on the other end of it. It's OK. Well, I mean, I'll say this. I don't think they're good guys. Like, I just don't think this is a bad guy. They have. It's what you'd expect out of a corporation. The way I think about them is they're good guys with flaws, but the reason I think they're good guys is because the Red Hat is responsible for the desktop Linux as we know it today. Without Red Hat, desktop Linux wouldn't have existed because all the desktop environments that we use today use 80 to 90% Red Hat code created by Red Hat. And people were taking, taking, taking, taking, taking, taking from Red Hat, making money on their backs. And then when Red Hat stopped that, dead in its tracks and decided to, OK, we need to stop harming money. It's time to take. Oh, all right. All right. Hold on a second. I'm going to stop you there. They weren't hemorrhaging money. OK? No, no. That was profitable. It's a matter of speech. It's a matter of speech. Matter of. I'm using it as a matter of speech. OK. So what I meant to say is we need to stop people from making money out of our backs. So like the thing is, they're entitled to that. They do make money. We don't. They do make money in the server world. Yes. We don't have to have this conversation for a third podcast in a row. OK. No, I'm just going to finish it. I'm just going to finish it here. I'm just going to say they're not as bad as people make them out to be. That's all I'm going to say is they're entitled to their own code. They own it so they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. OK. Will I find the most entertaining about your opinion there, Steve? It's not like 10 minutes ago you were bitching about developers not helping you out with their code and allowing you to do what they want with it, what you want with it. OK. No, this is different. This is different. When it comes to Red Hat, they can do whatever they want with it because they are a company. I'm not talking about the other side that I was talking about before. I'm talking about Red Hat here. I'm just giving a perspective here that Red Hat is allowed to do with their code whatever the fuck they want. The way they did it is a little bit flawed. Yes, I agree. But they are entitled to do that. That's all I'm saying. OK. Don't turn them to the bad guys. Like, oh, they're going to kill open source altogether. They're going to kill the whole Linux thing and they're going to destroy the world and eat my mama and my papa and my dog and my cat. Just I mean, I don't think anyone's being that hyperbolic, but. Oh, a lot of people are. There are some articles that I read. Oh, my God. I want to go. I want to go to Alice in Wonderland. Well, I mean, we did talk about the start of the podcast about how easy it is to get a VPS. So, I mean, any any any person out there, no matter how dumb they are, can figure out how to spin up a three dollar and fifty cent server. And, you know, those are ideas, which to be honest, there's plenty of other ways it's even easier to do that. So these days, an article where somebody's super scared about something that that also doesn't really matter is, I mean, shit, I've probably read those articles. All I'm saying is a company is doing company things. A company is doing is protecting their things. And they want to make they want to make more money. They and they're free and clear to do that. The problem with this entire situation wasn't that they started charging. There was nobody who anybody with any sense, anyways, nobody with any sense argued that they couldn't make money or start charging for every ISO that they sold. You can do that. That's in the GPL. You can charge whatever you want for whatever you want. OK, but the GPL states that anybody can then take that code and do whatever they want with it. As long as they pay, if you charge for it, if they buy it from you, you know, you reach the agreement to do the thing that you need to do. Right. And you can with the GPL, you can do whatever you want. That was the problem I think a lot of people had was the user agreement that you had to sign in order to get the code in the first place. That's what that's what I said. The way they went about it is a little bit flawed. I agree with that. Yeah. But guys, we really don't have to have this conversation. OK, OK, OK, OK, we understand that you guys, the three of you guys think that Red Hat is perfectly fine and and and all a bunch of good guys there. And I can understand that the GPL is another is a whole other thing. But it's it's fine. The other thing that we need to do talk about is that the response that Alma Linux had was completely different than basically what everybody else did. But they've decided to do instead of being a and I hate this term bug for bug clone of Raul, instead, they're going to be basically somewhere in between CentOS and Raul itself and not be a binary, binary something. They're being a good stepchild. That's what they're doing. Yes, they're just like, OK, Red Hat, you want us to do it this way, that way we that way you and I can work together. We'll work together and we'll pull basically what it is that Alma Linux is going to be pulling all their sources from CentOS stream, much like how Red Hat does now, too. Because apparently, somebody somebody figured out that they can get clone repo run, get log and see where Red Hat employee says, I'm tagging this release here, this commit here, because we're going to be shipping this down to Red Hat or to Raul because you can do that. So that's what Alma Linux is going to be doing now. And that basically means that they're not going to be guaranteed one for one compatible with Red Hat, but they will still be application compatible. So your your application as purpose designed for Red Hat should still theoretically work on Alma. Theoretically, yeah, is the key word there. Because it's not guaranteed. Similar, like 99 percent similar to the EU thing that we talked about earlier. There is a lot of software that is available in those repositories and you cannot absolutely guarantee that everything is. But I don't know. It's going to be interesting because there's a lot of different ways that this thing, I actually think that in the end, guys, that no matter what side of the argument you come down on on the Red Hat thing, that the end result of this is actually going to be better. Because first off, you're going to you're going to see things like Alma continue on a different way and work with Red Hat. And then you're going to have actual more competition between open SUSE and God's sake, fucking Oracle. You know, it's possible that this results in more competition between these companies instead of just Red Hat being the thing. Right. And and one other one that was always the thing to begin with. Red Hat's actually never really been the thing. I mean, if you look at the cloud market, Ubuntu is huge. Even NixOS is starting to show up in the cloud market. Actually, a lot of jobs for NixOS containers. I know that Canonical is big. But I think if you look at like in terms of revenue, Red Hat is like the dominant is the largest. Right. Yeah. Right. That's the big one. Right. Yeah. So I think that it and the main reason why red has the big one is because Red Hat has a lot of government contracts and government contracts are big money. Yeah. Well, that and also not only do they leverage that, but but also they have been in the space for a really long time. They have been so they've been a public company for a long time. So that that adds into a lot of of that as well. So what I find also before we go and jump into the thingies of the week, it's it's been very interesting to see who has been very, very silent about this whole thing, not a peep out of those fucking Canonical guys. Have you noticed that? I haven't said a damn thing about this entire situation. They just like you think I mean, none of their employees, the desktop guys, none of them have come out and said basically anything. They just they've just been talking about snaps here and there, you know, just going on about their business, but nothing about this. They're very interesting. They're just keeping their nose clean. I find that very, very interesting. But anyways, let's go ahead, guys, and move on to the thingies of the week. So we could have called the section anyway, anything that we wanted to like apps of the week or pics of the week. But those things were all taken and we decided to go with thingies of the week. But it's not what you think it is. It's it's definitely not dirty. OK, definitely, definitely not dirty. So let's go ahead and talk about those. It's not an excuse me while I whip this thing out situation. Josh, hold on. All right. It was it's just a stress ball. That was a blazing saddles reference. All right. Josh, why don't you tell us what your thingie of the week is this week? Well, Steve reminded me that a certain game exists this morning. So that's my thingie of the week, because that is the only application that I've installed throughout the past three weeks is zoonotic. Everything else has just been package updates. So, of course, it's it's my thingie of the week because, you know, it's a fun first person shooter. If you've played like classic Quake or anything like that, this is basically just this is basically just a clone of it. And, you know, you just run around as fast-paced. You go out, you shoot other people on online connection or a bunch of bots and you just have fun. Is that the one that is that the one that looks kind of like Halo? Yes. Yeah. It looks kind of like Halo. It plays in a much faster pace than Halo. Yes, much, much faster. Yeah. But wait, hold on. Just just to clarify, though, zero eighties on your system, right? Zero eighty is on my system. OK, just just had to make sure just had to make sure. It's there. We might have to fix that. Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, you can take you can take zero eighty and shove it. OK, why? Because Steve's not. You don't like it. Because I played it and I got so frustrated. I almost broke my computer. Oh, darn. Yeah, that happens. I think I think I think Ben almost did that, too. I know I know of a handful of people that have played it a bit like and just I played it at the easy level and I played it at the easy level and I still couldn't get past the third mission. I'm like, what? No, the AI can be difficult. And I and I and I looked for cheats. I couldn't find any. All right, Steve, your thingy of the week, please. I stumbled upon one of your old aging badly aging videos. Come on, my videos are fantastic. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. No, no, I'm not saying all the videos were aging. I'm saying that one age, I guess badly, because it stayed still on the views count. Oh, yeah. Anyway, people don't like it a little tabby electron or whatever. Yeah, tabby terminal. I just I saw that video and I needed I had to try it because guess what? I love theming. I love customization. I love what was what was the purple? Of course, the way you said it was like, of course, dumbass. No, but what was the tagline for Zero Linux when it started? In our case was purple. No, no, the tagline for Zero Linux before when we started was an eye candy lover's wet dream. Well, tabby is that it's an eye candy lover's wet dream. Only problem with it. It's a laggy AF. It doesn't work on a system that doesn't have hardware acceleration because it requires hardware acceleration to run smoothly. I only vaguely remember this, but this is the electron terminal, right? Yeah. Yeah. OK, that's the reason why it's laggy right there. It's super, super laggy, but it's super, super sexy and beautiful. And I enjoyed the five minutes I spent with it before deleting it. But it's my thing of the week because it's super customizable for those people who love customization, not caring about performance. So I love the fact that you came this week with a program that's your thing of the week. And you're like, dude, I used it for five minutes. And then I did it like a fall. It's like I did with my episode of the podcast. We're back, baby. Goodbye. No soup for you. I might have done that with a couple of myself. All right. Yeah, but I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. I was just pissed off that was so laggy. I wanted it to be so I wanted to replace console with it. But I. Yeah, I think I had the same experience. All right, Tyler, you're thinking the week, please. Mine before I go into mine, I will just say I really don't like I opened up yours, Matt. I don't like what you're about to show off. I did not like the picture. It looks scary. I've never been able to get into those. But anyway, I'll let you talk about that here in a second. Mine is Amphora. It's the Gemini client that I showed off earlier when I was talking about Gemini in the podcast. So if anyone wants to go check it out, it's a nice terminal based Gemini client. And if you want to like get a GUI version, there is like, I know one is LaGrange or like LaGrange. I can't remember how you say it, but you'll get that one if you want. But, you know, I'm a terminal nerd, so it's nice. And if you want to know when that has like image rendering, you could look at Browse. Well, but here's the thing. Sorry, you don't you don't view images or anything inside of a browser in Gemini. Everything's download links. So if you want to download a picture, an image, or a picture, a video, a song, whatever, it's all going to download to your PC and then open up in whatever program you want. That's how it's intended to be used. You can make a Gemini client where it just downloads it in attempt directory and then opens it up. But also, if you're doing that, what are you doing? That's the whole point of using Gemini is to not be like that with your browser, but whatever. Yeah, I mean, it's just piping everything through a Firefox headless session and, you know, just translating translating everything into text. So you're getting those wonderful ASCII images. Surprisingly, it works pretty well. For those of you guys in the chat, just heard some different audio. Sorry, autoplay videos are not good. Super heard some about an HTML course. It's great. I'm sorry to interrupt, Tyler, were you were you done? I was struggling. What's your thing of the week, boss man? All right, so mine is mine goes with a little bit of a story. One of the problems that I did have been have or did have on open SUSE, at least for a little while. And I'm still not sure what the cause of it was. But for whatever reason, my DAC just stopped working. It wasn't even showing up in any of the places where it should show up at. Now, one of the tools that I tried to use to get around this was my thing of the week, which is QPW Graph. If you've ever, when you're using pulse audio, used Jack or one of the Jack clones or whatever. This will look somewhat familiar. It's not exactly the same one to one thing, but it's kind of the same idea is that you can basically that you have a graph of all of your inputs and outputs, and you can move your inputs and outputs and tie them together in certain ways and different configurations. And basically what it does, it allows you to tell where audio is coming from and where it's going and control those things in a very visual manner. Now, like Tyler said, if you see the screenshot of it, it's scary as shit. Like what the hell is going on? I'm definitely going to fuck this up. But if you're using pipe wire, which the vast majority of people are, this is a fantastic tool for you to download if you're having some issues where the audio is not coming out where you're expecting it to come out from, which happens a ton on pipe wire. Still, the biggest problem I still have with pipe wire is changing of like it just randomly changes sources. Sometimes on reboot. I still I have that issue with with the microphone. It keeps hiding them. It happens all the time and nobody knows why. It has something to it's not boot order like you'd expect with like hard drives, but it's kind of the same thing where it whatever device. It turns the mic as an output for some reason. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, it turns the mic into an output. It's weird. But anyways, QPW Graph, you download this thing and it will help you, it'll show you where audio is coming from and going and you can change those things very easily in a graphical manner. And what do you have? The best part about QPW Graph because I'm using it right now, is that QPW Graph can save layouts too. So you can save them, you can load them, you can dynamically switch them depending on what applications are open. It's just a simple command line argument that you can pass into a QPW Graph statement. It's actually a really cool program if you take the time to actually really look into it. The greatest thing about saving the profiles is that if you have multiple devices that aren't always connected, you can then load that profile when you connect the new thing so that it goes where you're expecting it to go. And like Josh said, you can automate those things, the loading of the profiles, which is just, it's... Oh, so basically if I use QPW Graph and I tell it to remember that the microphone is an input device, not an output device, it will remember that every reboot, survive a reboot. Yeah, it'll do that. Yeah, you just load that profile when the device is plugged in. So, yeah, because I just saw it, it's available as a flatback. It's available as a flatback, yeah. Yeah, that's... It's available as a flatback, it's also available in your repositories. I think KDE is actually gonna be, is actually looking at potentially adopting it as an official project too, when KDE finally decides that they're going to implement PipeWire as the default sound system. But that's... So 30 years from now. So 30 years from now, like they did with SDDM. Yeah, pretty much. All right, folks. And SDDM still doesn't work. Yeah, it's still there. Yeah, that's it. If you're a GNOME fanboy, you don't want to be installing the QT application, you can, there's a GNOME alternative called Helvm. However, Helvm is very much a GNOME application and it does not say, you can't save layouts with it, but it does still give you a patch made to work. There's a third one too. I don't know what the name of it is though. It's either that or you can basically just use any Jack utility because it's using Jack APIs to route the audio. What is it, what is it? Paul, PipeJack, PipeJack, Pipe, something like that? That there's an- Yeah, PipeJack control. There's also QT, Jack, CTL. Yeah, so there's a lot of options like this. QTWI graph is just the best one. It's just a PipeWire native one. Yeah. All right, anyways, guys, that is the end of this podcast. We've been going for a damn near two hours since we went live, so we did a good job. I'm sorry. No, it's not your fault. It's all Steve's fault. I didn't control the conversation well enough. I blame Steve for everything. It's all right. He like, you fuck. Yeah, my name is, I am you fuck. My name is Steve. I am you fuck. So I did what the you fuck would do. I'm sure we're being racist in some fashion, but- No. I held no. I'm not going to get an email going like, I was like, this is just my family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We apologize. At least I didn't do accents today. I didn't do accents today, so I passed. You did a fantastic job, Steve. You were very entertaining, even without the accents. Thank you, thank you. Anyways, guys, that is it for this video. We record this live every Saturday, around three o'clock PM Eastern time. If you want to watch the live version after the live is gone, you'll have to head on over to patreon.patreon.com. That's where the live stream will live from now on. Otherwise, you can always catch the podcast in its edited form sometime around 10 o'clock Eastern time or so is when I'll get that uploaded or so. And obviously, the audio will still come out on Sundays, just like it has for a long time. So that is it for us this time. Before we go, I should take a moment to thank my current patrons. I always forget that. So thanks to everybody who does support me on Patreon at patreon.com slash linoccast. You're awesome. Thanks for your support. 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