 Hey everybody, today we are debating Flat Earth and we are starting right now. Ladies and gentlemen, thrilled to have you here for another epic debate. This is going to be a fun one, folks. I want to let you know, if it's your first time here, consider hitting that subscribe button as we have many debates coming up. So for example, you'll see at the bottom right of your screen, this Monday at 9 p.m. Eastern Standard, Steve McCray will be back. He will be debating with none other than Snake was right. So that will be part two of their ongoing saga. And so we are excited to have you here, folks. Want to let you know we're going to have a fairly flexible opening or I should say format for tonight, namely, we are going to have 10 minute openings or so from each speaker followed by after that open discussion for both 60 minutes and then Q&A. 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You've known that Nathan Thompson has had a channel probably. He's been on here before. Mark's been on here before as well. However, he just started his channel. And I can tell you, folks, if you enjoyed the show, The Tiger King, you will love Mark's YouTube channel. He owns, and I'm not joking, you think I'm making this up. He owns big cats, like lions. And I honestly watched, I couldn't stop watching Mark's content today at his channel. So as I had mentioned, their links are in the description, folks. I encourage you to check out their stuff, really fun stuff. So we're going to get started. Mark is willing to go first. And we appreciate that willingness to go first, Mark. The floor is all yours. But first, let me say thanks so much, guys, for being here. It's really a pleasure to have you every time. Thanks a lot, James. Well, I don't really know what to say here. We're debating a flat earth, something that we thought that we took care of over 2,000 years ago. But here we go. To be honest with you, last time that I spoke to Nathan, I was very negative. And I will admit, I kind of resorted to ad hominem attacks. Yeah, I'll admit it. But I honestly didn't know that this guy was for real. I didn't even know that the younger, or that the younger, if well, younger is bizarre enough. But we've got a flatter now going on. I didn't even really know this stuff existed. I'd heard about it a little bit, but not really thinking that it was that serious. And then I looked into it a little bit. And these people will actually debate this stuff and try to make people think that it's real that we live on some flat pancake of an earth with just so much stuff that doesn't work. None of the physics work. You try to work this into this pancake earth. And we've got so many problems. So I tried as hard as I could to go off and listen to some of Nathan's debate. I've seen where he picked on Professor. I forget his name. Anyways, he kind of did a little debunk thing on Nathan's channel where he went against the blowbusters and stuff. And I kind of listened to that. So I don't know what I'm going to add here, except when you show up to buy a car, you would expect the person selling you something to have something to show you. And I just don't know where these flat earthers think that when you show up to buy the car and take it, that they must be doing this to try to make money. Because I can't imagine what reason you would have to put your last name out there on something like this that's going to be around for the rest of your life. People are always going to be able to go back to the internet and look at this stuff, especially as we start to privatize space travel. It's really not going to be long before citizens are going to be able to go up into space and see the earth turn around and look at it and clearly see that it's a ball. So I've heard Nathan say that he doesn't believe, that he thinks Einstein's a moron, that he doesn't believe in gravity. The amounts of stuff that he just completely, it just seems like everything's a conspiracy all the way from coronavirus to it doesn't matter what it is. Everything in the world is a conspiracy. And I'm not sure why. Because as far as I know, he's a Christian and from everything that he says, basically he's making us look stupider than monkeys. So he talks about how he's not a monkey or an ape because he doesn't fling his poo. Well, according to him, we're dumber than monkeys because we believe that we live on a globe. We believe in gravity. We believe in science. We believe in biology. We believe in physics. But according to him, I don't think there's one thing that is taught in science class that this guy believes in. And that was after just a half an hour of skimming through as much of it as I could take, but you can only take so much of it because it's just, it really is ridiculous. When someone starts picking on gravity, you really gotta, you gotta wonder how, someone could have the air against to sit there and say that Einstein's a moron. So on that, I'm just gonna pass it over to him. Let's see what color car he has to sell us today. I'm sure it's this pancake earth and let's see if he can explain a few things and show us something that proves that we live on a flat earth. He said in opening that I got approved that we live on a globe. No, I don't, not at all. There is no percentage of scientists that think that we live on a flat earth. So it's him that has to prove it. Like I said, when you show up to buy a car, it's the person selling the car that it better have a car to show you. It's not up to you to imagine it. You don't get there and say, well, you just gotta imagine this car. And no, you gotta show us it. You gotta show us in numbers. You gotta show us in math. So show us this flat earth and how it works. Go ahead. Thanks so much. We will kick it over to Nathan for his opening. And Nathan, thanks so much for being here. The floor is all yours. Yeah. Seems like Mark's actually open to the idea of the earth is flat and he wants me to show it to him. So Mark, I appreciate your openness and willingness to learn. I wanna shout out this channel, big fan of the channel. I'm actually a Patreon of James. So guys, if you're here all the time and you love what James does, throw him a few bucks every month. I promise you, being an activist for five years, I know that type of stuff adds up. Also my Instagram, if you're on there, the globe is flat. Check me out. I also wanna thank Mark for being here. I do accept your apology. And if I was rude last time, I do wanna apologize too. Although I think it was mostly on your end. But if I was out of line, let's just wipe the slate clean. And we'll just talk about the facts today. I think that'd be great. If anyone has any questions or something I don't cover, please super chat James. I will make sure to answer all your questions. We can roll until tomorrow morning, okay? So I love you Mark as a brother and I'm not happy that you're deceived. Love is patient and kind, bro. It is not jealous, boastful, proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It's not irritated and it keeps no record of anything anyone ever does wrong. So I'll try not to do any of those things tonight. Also it does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth. So we should not be happy that we're being lied to about anything and we should investigate thoroughly. And it never loses hope, never gives up faith, is always hope or never, and endures all things. Fumble there at the end, sorry guys. Sharing is caring, it's part of what I do. I'm an activist full-time. I've been full-time for two years. Better to give than to receive. And the truth is one of the greatest things you can give people. The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may try and deride it, but in the end, there it is. And that's why I'm gonna win the debate is because I have the truth. Just like I've won thousands of debates before, you can go check them out on my YouTube channel. I've debated NASA employees, land surveyors, astrophysicists, PhDs, and science has been hijacked. They have all been bamboozled. So I win the debate because I have the truth. So, and that's noble on my part, Mark. Here's why, is because you're gonna learn more from losing this debate than you would from winning. And I wish to give you that experience. So that's noble. And my story guys, I grew up mocking God and I grew up mocking Flat Earthers. Better believe it. So I actually have two advantages in this debate, the truth. And I used to be in Mark's cult. Mark doesn't have a clue what's going on. He said his opener was, I don't know what to say. That was the first thing he said in his opener guys. So he's gonna get steamrolled. I'm going to dismantle his arguments like a lion in the wilderness dismantling a gazelle. Earth, not a spinning globe in space. This is a religion founded on cartoons. And I'll show you guys more of that later. But the main reason I know that I'm gonna win this debate is the third reason, the truth, right? I got that. Also, I've been in that cult my entire life. And the third reason is I test all things and hold fast to that, which is true. So I don't need to rely on, you know, popular opinion or a general consensus. That is not what shapes my reality. That is not what shapes the truth. Plenty of times in history, if we look back, the majority of people were wrong about something. I don't even need to give any examples. So guys, if you refuse to research this and test earth independently yourself, like I've been doing for the last five years, there's lots of options. You got excellent literature out there, like Edward Hendry's book, The Greatest Lie on Earth. Terra firma, fact earth, not a planet proven from scripture, reason and fact. And also last but not least, one of my favorite zetetic astronomy by Samuel Roboth. And these are some great books. Also, there's great channels out there like mine. If you refuse to do your own research and test all things, follow someone like me who's out there doing it. Third option is join a group like the official Flat Earthing Globe discussion on Facebook, no cursing, no insults. 131,000 members been talking about this for the last five years. So I definitely know what to say in this debate, Mark. I will not have that problem. I don't need to really talk about abyssal planes. There's lots of problems with the globe guys, accelerometers, airy's failure, airplane level flight, alias effect, ambient light, ancient civilizations all knew it's flat, astrolabes, astroarchaeology, anti corpuscular rays. And those are just some of the A's, astronauts drowning in space. The azimuthal equidistant map is used by the United States Geological Survey. I won't even start with the B through Z for you guys, okay? And I have three arguments tonight. Very simple. Large bodies of water do not occur, okay? The earth is not spinning. The only people who think it's spinning are drunk. And the third one is space is a cartoon religion. You can't have gas pressure without a container. So none of my opening was there, did I say that earth is a pancake at all? And real quick, I'm gonna go ahead and share my screen and show you some of the evidence I have for the flat stationary earth that Mark asked for in his opener. And James, let me know if we're rolling, says I'm sharing. Excellent. I'm gonna put the globe on my screen at the moment with where most people think they live, guys. Spinning globe, I run the official flat earth and globe discussion for the last five years. I'm an independent researcher and investigative journalist. This is part of my speech, a compelling review on modern and biblical cosmology. Warning, this presentation or the information I share, some people may find it disturbing. I, on the other hand, don't care too much about that. I'm only here to share the truth with you guys. Don't beat up the messenger, okay? No one's asking you to believe anything you're about to show you without questioning. At least hear me out, guys, before you do. If you are a Christian, search the scriptures, find out what I'm saying matches up and do your own research and experiments, whether you're a heathen or a Bible-believing Christian, you should do your own test and figure out what is true. This is vital to make sure that we are not being deceived by the government who, if you read any history book, time and time again has proven not to tell the truth over and over. First argument, spinning earth 1,040 miles an hour. Now, this is what they teach in schools is that we live on a cartoon tilted ball spinning 1,000 miles an hour. Now, how would a spinning earth affect our atmosphere? Well, it would cause one of two things. Either it would rotate as a cohesive body or it would cause it to rotate as if it's a giant blender. Now, this is actually what mainstream science teaches, that we have a Coriolis effect and that certain things like field goals are deflected or there is a deviation caused by the rotation of the earth. Now, we'll get into the problems with that second one in a minute. I wanna tackle this first one, the earth moving as one cohesive body. Problem with that, huge problem. The higher you go up in atmosphere, guys, the air would have to be increasing in velocity. What natural force could do this? Well, there is no natural force that would cause air to increase in velocity around a spinning object. So, a column of air will not move as one cohesive body as a result of moving your hand back and forth through the air or as a result of the earth spinning 1,000 miles an hour. Now, this is really simple to test, guys. If you spin a ball in your room, all of the air in your room, at no point will all start moving at the same speed as the ball in the middle of the earth. That's not how fluid dynamics work. We have been bamboozled about real science, ladies and gentlemen. So, I choose to reject that model. That's not even what mainstream science teaches, guys. So, I don't really need to spend much time on that. Here's the atmospheric blender effect, which would cause a coriolis. Now, you'll notice here with the paint spinning, it moves faster towards the center and slower towards the outer parts. This is observable, testable, and repeatable. Mark said, I don't think there's a thing in the science class this guy believes in. Well, you're right, Mark. No, I'm not from the south. I don't need to. I'm not from Alabama, Nathan. I'm from Canada. That's not how I talk. I didn't miss your opener, Mark. And I also didn't misquote you. So, if you could forgive me for the accent and let me continue without being interrupted, that would be great. Okay, just don't let this get too long because I'm just laying in bed here soaking it up. So, let's do one thing at a time. Let's not get too into this. Like you said, 10-minute openings. Where are we at right now, James? Yeah, that's what I figured. Okay. Excellent. So this is an indisputable law of fluid dynamics. If you observe the atmosphere, you don't need to believe Earth has a Coriolis because it doesn't. It doesn't move under hot air balloons, airplanes, helicopters, insects, smoke, or balls you throw in the air. This is an urban myth. This is Buga Buga fairy tale nonsense taught to us by the heliocentric priest that Mark chooses to believe in. So my second argument, and I'm gonna skip real quick here, is that you would not be able to have gas pressure without a container. For example, if the infinite vacuum of space surrounded the Earth's atmosphere, the atmosphere would disperse into the vacuum rapidly. This is like asking, can a tire rim have air pressure around it without a tire in a vacuum? Now, I hope you can answer this question and the spinning, rotating Earth question during the question and answer back and forth part that we're gonna do here, Mark, because I know you want me to hurry up. And also large bodies of water don't curve. That's how I know the Earth is a flat Earth, not a flat pancake Earth, Mark. You can't eat the Earth with syrup, okay? Measurably flat, observably flat. Wanna thank you for your time. You also said there's no percentage of scientists that believe in a flat Earth. Well, who cares? That's an argument from popularity. And you also talked about how citizens could go into space eventually. That's a fairytale. They've been selling you that lie for 50 years. They allegedly landed on the moon with a rover, played golf 50 years ago. And you think eventually, 50 years ago, back with black and white television, Mark, and you think eventually in 2020, with everyone locked in their home, they're gonna start sending people to space. Dude, you have the funniest religion and belief system about the world. I can't wait for this back and forth question and answer part. Let's go ahead and get into it. So Mark, can you have gas pressure around a tire without the tire? No, not at all. No, yeah, the gas would disperse rapidly. So why do you do this? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely what an Earth's atmosphere. Have you ever heard of something called gravity? So let's cover the first one. Why would the atmosphere not spin with the Earth? For starters, the way scientists explain and people with just common knowledge look at outer space. Outer space is a vacuum. A vacuum does not mean that it's a vacuum, like a vacuum cleaner. It is just the void, that's all. It's the void of gas. So everything that we find in our universe gravitationally pulls together. So yes, the weight of all the gases, which by the way are nicely all the way from the Earth's center all the way out to the edge of the atmosphere, is nicely laid out by weight, which is really quite interesting. But let's go back to this spinning, why would the atmosphere spin with the Earth? Of course it would spin with the Earth. There is absolutely no friction and outer space. So you've got an Earth that has been spinning now for 4.54 billion years. What would you think that the atmosphere, what would cause the drag in outer space to stop the outer layers of the gas or the atmosphere from spinning at the same speed as the Earth? And when I say the same speed, yes, from the inside, from the center of the core of the Earth, all the way out to whatever the diameter is of the furthest out layers of the atmosphere, of course it would all spin. There's nothing to stop it from spinning. And the reason that we have all of the jet streams and all that type of stuff is look at where, how the Earth is turning and where the Sun is. You've constantly got the Earth being heated on one side. It is spinning in a way that the Sun comes up first on the East, that's in the West. Where are we getting things wrong here? That's exactly what we'd expect. So when you talk about spinning paint in a barrel, a barrel has a huge amount of friction on the outside. The barrel on the outside, the pail that you were just showing the paint in is exerting the exact same amount of friction on the paint on the outside as the mixer is on the inside. So of course the paint is dragging as it goes to the outside, as it moves to the outside, the drag from the pail is reacting and it counteracts the mixer in the center. So you get this spiral effect. Now you take away the pail. So let's put the pail, hold on. Let's put the pail now on a set of zero friction bearings. No friction. Just to give, at some point, just if you're able to make this short and pithy, that way we can kick it back. 15 more seconds. You have a point in more seconds. Ethan, I got it. So put down your stupid props. So now you've put your barrel or your pail people. Now I want you to think about this stuff. I want people out there to use their brains. So let's take the best bearings that we have today, which are ceramic bearings. They have very, very little friction. Let's mount the pail on those friction lists or as close to friction list bearings as we can. And now let's start up our spinner. What is going to happen? That's right. The pail is going to start to spin. The paint is going to start to spin. Everything's going to spin and you're not going to get your swirly effect just like the atmosphere. Zero friction in space. Just because there's a lot of points. It's a vacuum. Go ahead, Nathan. The vacuum of space is fake. You've admitted that already by saying you can't have gas pressure around a tire rim without the tire. No, I didn't. No, I didn't. All fluids. Absolutely not. Hold on. What are you talking about? You just said that 10 minutes ago that you can't have. You're talking about a tire. I'm talking about a huge, huge gravitational field. Let's talk over me. So let's take a second. And if we have to go into two minute intervals and switch back and forth, we will. But I think we can... Yeah, we'll do that. Yeah, let's do that. So let's give Nathan... Instead of saying what I said, I said, let him explain now why it is that we would expect the atmosphere not to turn with the earth with a frictionless environment of space. We've gotten a good amount of points from Mark. We'll switch over for... That's my only point. That's all I talked about. But from the statement before that, we're also going to try to give Nathan enough time to try to address those points as well. So... Yeah, let him answer that. We'll kick it over to Nathan. Go ahead, Nathan. Excellent. So you are just presupposing movement in all of your example and then saying, why wouldn't the atmosphere move with the earth? Well, for two reasons, Mark, if you were listening in my introduction, it's not how fluid dynamics work. The air around the surface of earth would have a drag. You keep talking about your fairytale belief in space and how there is no friction, but on the surface of earth, the topography of earth would have some friction and would create... Absolutely. A drag. So we would have... Absolutely. Thanks for making my point. Okay, just so we can hear Nathan, go ahead, Nathan. It's been two minutes already. Because you asked, let's go to two minute intervals, Mark. And then you... No, I'm just saying, thank you for making my point. Okay. So just so that we can hear Nathan, we'll kick it back over to Nathan and then, Mark, if you're willing to hold your piece until we come back to you. I will. It's all right, guys. I've been doing this for five years. It's the same thing with these Glover. If they can't contain themselves, they have to insult you. They have to interrupt you over and over. Last time I had a debate with Fight the Flat Earth, I personally counted 50 interruptions and insults. So if we could please refrain from interrupting each other, I let you ramble on for, I don't know, three to five minutes there, Mark. Give me one minute to talk about everything you said. Okay? You presuppose space is a vacuum. You already said you can't have pressure around a tire rim without a container, okay? Space is a void. You said that. The definition of a vacuum is the absence of gas pressure. So you're basically saying, of course we have gas pressure in a vacuum. That's what I've been taught my entire life, but it's not science. It's not observable. It's not repeatable. It's part of the SpongeBob fairy tale you've been sold. Now, the second thing I wanna cover is, you said, why wouldn't the Earth's atmosphere move with the Earth? Well, two reasons. Fluid dynamics, I went over that. And the second reason, Mark, that's not even what your religion teaches. Neil deGrasse Tyson, if you read his Twitter, he's got six million followers. He's the most famous scientist on Earth for your heliocentric, global religion, says that field goals have a deviation or deflect because of the Earth's Coriolis. Now, you deny that that happens. You apparently think you're smarter than the world's leading heliocentric astrophysicist by claiming, of course the atmosphere would move with the pre-supposed, never proven to move, non-rotating Earth that is immovable in Scripture. So, Mark, why do you believe in space and why do you believe the Earth moves? It's really too bad that you don't understand the difference between gyroscopic precession, which is what he's talking about when you talk about why things that are flying through the atmosphere will veer off to one side. That's called gyroscopic precession. That can be done with a bicycle wheel. But anyways, back to this. Yeah, absolutely you can have pressure around a rib. Gyroscopic precession, can you elaborate? Gyroscopic precession is? Can you elaborate how you think gyroscopic precession proves your argument of a non-rotating Earth? All right, now we gotta let him answer, Nathan. So let's give him two minutes and then we'll come back to you. Do you know what gyroscopic precession is? The question for you, Nathan. You have two minutes, Mark, to elaborate. No, no, I'm asking you a question. This is how I wanna use my time. Do you know what gyroscopic precession is? Football in the air. No, not a football. Do you know what gyroscopic precession is? I would say you're gaslighting, okay? No, not gaslighting. I'm asking you, do you know what gyroscopic precession is? You know, I don't have a definition memorized off the top. Okay, it's a very simple thing. When you put pressure on something that's spinning, it'll veer off at a 90 degree angle from where you put the pressure. So what he's talking about, when you throw a football or when you shoot a bullet, the reason that it veers off and cocks off on an angle is because of something called gyroscopic precession. Has nothing to do with the atmosphere or the atmosphere not spinning with the earth. It has to do with the fact that you've got something that is spinning and you're shooting something out from it. Look it up, learn about gyroscopic precession. By the way, helicopters would not fly if it wasn't for gyroscopic precession. So when we wanna fly a helicopter forward, we put a command in 90 degrees. So we're actually putting the command in 90 degrees off to the side, left hand side on a counter rotation, blade system on a counter rotating, it's on the opposite side. It's on the right hand side. That's where the pressure goes in to cause a helicopter to fly forward. That is the exact same pressure that is being put on the ball or the bullet and that is what causes it to veer off. So when he is talking about throwing a football and that football having to be compensated for, it has, and by the way, it's millimeters, if that. It's not a huge number. Even with a bullet, I can shoot out. This is what I do, I shoot guns. We don't even take it into account at a kilometer. So I'll let you go on, look up gyroscopic precession, learn about it. It has nothing to do with the atmosphere. And yes, we can have a pressure around a rim without a tire and it's about 14 and a half PSI or 14.689 or whatever the hell atmospheric pressure is wherever you happen to live. That's the pressure that you can have around a rim without a container. And that is the pressure that we have at Earth's surface on average. It's around 14.69, I believe it is. So go ahead. Excellent. So none of that was any proof. The Earth is rotating 1,040 miles an hour. You said it's very small, it's millimeters. Now, if the Earth was rotating 1,040 miles an hour, which is faster than the speed of sound. Absolutely. And that would necessitate a Coriolis effect, which is what's taught in mainstream science. And now you're kind of flip-flopping on your argument. You said the atmosphere moves with the Earth, but now when a field goal is kicked and a football is in the air, now you're saying that it moves separately from the Earth, but just millimeters. Do you want me to answer that? Please. Yeah. The force that's being acted on the bullet, let's not talk about a football because it's too small. It would be unmeasurable. No, no, no. The force that we're talking about, I don't give a shit about field grass Tyson has to say. I get to answer yet. You should shoot a bullet. The force that is acting on the bullet is called gyroscopic procession. And it's because the bullet is rotating due to the rifling in the barrel. So it is spinning and we're on a spinning Earth. And that is what causes it to veer off to one side. Absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the, what are you trying to say? The atmosphere isn't turning with the Earth. Is that what you're trying to say here? The Earth is not rotating, period, is what I'm trying to say. We have time to prove it is. You said the atmosphere moves with the Earth. And now you're saying that the reason the rifles deflect is because they're spinning out of the barrel. Okay, that is not Earth rotation, SpongeBob. That is the barrel causing the bullet to deflect. No, are you really that deck? Come on, man, listen to me. Have you ever taken a bicycle wheel, spun it, and tried to move it off its axis? Yeah, but in that example, the bicycle wheel is spinning. Okay, you haven't? And the bullet is spinning. And the reason, okay, so let me answer. And the bullet is spinning. And the way that we know the Earth is spinning is because we have gyroscopic procession being pushed against that bullet. That is served gravity on this Earth. If we lived on a flat Earth, as we move out to the outer edges of this pancake Earth, and I don't know if it's not pancake shaped. I don't know what the hell shape would a flat Earth be. Is it square, triangular? I don't know. As you move to the outside, we would have diminishing amounts of gravity. Explain that to me. And I watched one of your debates before, apparently you think gravity is a joke. So explain that to everybody. All right, so real quick, I don't wanna move off that Earth rotating topic because you just kind of brushed it off. Does Earth rotate under hot air balloons, airplanes, insects, smoke, balls you throw in the air? Or not, Mark? Does it rotate under it? No, we're all moving as a police. We're all moving together. The atmosphere is moving. And the reason that it is moving is exactly like you said. Tons of friction from the Earth. Tons of molecules pushing against molecules out in outer space. No friction, no molecules. So yes, everything turns the same. And that's why I dare you to take your bucket example where you're spinning the paint and showing all those swirlies. Now put that bucket on a set of ceramic bearings and try your experiment again. I will guarantee you, except for overcoming the momentum of getting the bucket spinning and the material in the bucket. No, it will spin with it. And that is the same as the Earth and outer space. There is no friction in outer space. Why wouldn't the atmosphere move with the Earth? Obviously. All right, you heard it right here. Mainstream science, everything in the textbooks and Neil deGrasse Tyson's wrong. There is no Coriolis effect. The Earth does it under objects. It moves with the Earth. Do you know what the Coriolis effect is? Thank you so much. You have just, we need to correct all the textbooks and talk to Neil deGrasse Tyson because you're apparently smarter than everything they're teaching in mainstream science. Explain the Coriolis effect for us. Explain it to us and what causes it. I'm happy to explain the Coriolis effect. Explain it. Go ahead. It's, if you look it up, it's a fictitious effect. And it basically, it happens on real spinning balls, but the Earth is not a spinning ball. So they have to make up that the Earth has what's called a Coriolis effect. And that is, if the Earth was a spinning ball, the atmosphere would not be magically attached to the Earth's surface. For example, if I move this book back and forth, all the air above the book does not magically start moving back and forth with the book. That's not how fluid dynamics work. That's not even what they teach in mainstream science, bro. So the atmosphere does not move with the Earth on your cartoon globe religion. That's just you denying the fact that there is no deviation from objects you throw in the air from Earth's surface because there isn't hot air balloons, helicopters, airplane travel. If Earth was a rotating ball, there would be drastic difference in journey times for airplanes traveling east to west, as opposed to airplanes traveling west to east. But I travel pretty much every month when the world's not shut down, Mark, and the journeys are pretty much the same. There is no compensation in the target generation facility that they train pilots on for a rotating Earth. They also don't compensate for Earth curve and they negate a gravity vector in the software. Now we can get to gravity eventually, but I just want a good solid concession. There's no Coriolis effect. The atmosphere moves with the Earth. What are you talking about? Are you trying to tell me that when you fly east to west and west to east, your flight times are the same? Relatively the same. Depends on- No, not even close to the same. Not even that close. Come on, man. You're dealing with almost 160, 170 mile an hour jet streams. Come on, man. I'm very proud of you for bringing up the jet streams. Why the hell do you think they always try? Why do you think they always try to fly from west to east? Why do you think they always do that? And where do you think the jet stream comes from? Well, we live in a closed dynamic system. I mean, are you gonna take notes for this? We live in a closed dynamic system, so our jet stream comes from the heat being introduced above our atmosphere, which is always moving. The Bible says that the sun and moon are on circuits, but the wheel in the sky keeps on turning. So that's one reason we have jet streams. That's also why we have seasons, mark, and tides, and time zones, and sunrises, and sunsets. So I can school you on all that too, bud. But- You can't school me on anything, Nathan. So far you've failed everything. Everyone has to do is look up what I've been saying, and they'll see how wrong you are on everything so far. But let's get on to gravity here. Where's gravity come from? The atmosphere. That's not even what mainstream science teaches, Mark. Mainstream science- Absolutely it is. Absolutely it is. If it wasn't- Let's give Mark a chance to respond, Nathan, we'll come back to you. Hey, Nathan, if it wasn't what science taught, we would go outside and there'd be 700 or 800 or 1,000 mile an hour winds. Continuously blowing us over. That's exactly what science tells us. That when we go outside, guess what? The atmosphere is turning with the earth. If it wasn't, we'd have 1,000 mile an hour winds at the equator blowing us over. So I don't know what science book you're reading where we're supposed to go out of our house and you're under the understanding that the atmosphere doesn't turn with the earth and that when you go up in an airplane, what would you expect the earth to rotate under you at the equator at 1,040 miles an hour? Is that what you're saying? Kneel to grass, Tyson. I don't give a shit about kneel to grass, Tyson. I would give a shit about people. Let's give him a shot and then I promise we'll come right back to you, Mark. Another interruption. Thank you so much for showing what the globe religion has to look forward to when they're getting slammed in a debate, okay? Insults and interruptions, guys. This is what you get from anti-flat earthers. So, kneel to grass, Tyson. I know you don't care what he says, but he's the most famous scientist in the world and he's quoting what is actually taught in the textbooks that the earth moves under objects that are in the atmosphere. But you have a big problem with this, Mark. We don't observe it. That's why you keep saying the atmosphere moves with the earth. Absolutely, it does. If it didn't, we wouldn't be able to fly from the west to the east or the east to the west. There'd be a huge difference. So, no scientist. You think kneel to grass, Tyson, hasn't hopped in an airplane. We can't see your phone. It's overly bright. So anyways, all people need to do is lock this up and they will understand what this is all about. Yeah, I'm showing my phone because all they need to do is watch. Can't see nothing on it. Let's give them a chance to respond, Nathan. I promise we'll come right back to you if you wanna show what you've looked up. Anyways, turn down your brightness. We can't see anything on your phone. You're gonna have to turn your brightness way down. That's all you had to say, Mark? Yeah, I'm helping you out. Turn your brightness down so we can see your phone. All it is is a white glare. You told everyone they can look this up. So, I did. Now I'll tell everyone the same thing you said, Mark. They can look this up themselves. Does earth have a Coriolis effect? The Coriolis effect impacts objects. Objects like a ball or a helicopter or a hot air balloon, insects, smoke weed. Nothing experiences a Coriolis effect in nature. The earth is not rotating under airplanes. You laughed at it and said, what do you expect? The earth will be rotating 800 miles. No, the earth moves 1,030 miles an hour at the equator. It's faster than the speed of sound. And if earth was spinning 1,000 miles an hour, Mark, there would be some type of deviation. When you throw balls in the air, that's why these lying heliocentric priests have to confuse you guys and make Twitter posts about field goals being deflected and because of the earth's rotation. And, but apparently you're smarter than all of them. There is no deviation. There is no deflection. There is no Coriolis. Google's wrong. Mark knows the truth and the atmosphere moves with the earth. Thanks so much, Mark. We'll have to update the science books. Okay, so tell me now that you've got the Coriolis effect worked out there, tell me how much a bullet shot out two kilometers. How much would you expect it to deviate? Come on, genius. You laughed at me. Tell me what that number should be. How much would you expect a bullet shot out two kilometers? How far would you expect it to deviate? Starting the clock so I don't get interrupted again, but we have ex-Marine Snipers in the group, the official Flat Earth and Globe discussion. One of them is Miguel Michael Angel. He has a $20,000 cash prize for anyone that can prove when you fire a bullet, there is a Coriolis because his story is interesting. He trained people to shoot for the military and never heard about this Coriolis effect until he heard about Flat Earth. Now, Mark apparently doesn't know that this is what they teach, that there's a Coriolis effect. Now he's asking me to tell him how much deviation there should be for a two kilometer sniper bullet moving on a thousand mile per hour. You don't know your own religion, Mark. This is pathetic. My time's over on this subject. So anyways, clown, I do shoot out a kilometer. I can show you the gun right beside me that I do it with. It's a 22-250. And I'm telling you that the deviation due to the Coriolis effect is zero, absolutely zero. We don't even compensate for it. And that is why your person, yes, because it is so small. It doesn't matter. Why are you talking, clown? Thank you for saying we don't compensate for it. That was amazing. Two things, Nathan, we can come back to you, but I also have to let you know, Mark, your volume's starting to hit the top of the meter. Oh, I bet it is. Can you believe, though, that this clown sits here and talks about how I'm a terrible person for my religion? So we can switch back, let's switch into... Hold on, let's switch into, hold on a second. Okay, you guys are, I hate to mute you, but we're both on, you're both on mute. So we're gonna kick it over to, I'm trying to remember whose turn it was last. I think, okay, so Mark's got his hand up. So, Nathan, it looks like you're okay with that. You're conceding that. We can kick it over to Mark. We'll come back to Nathan and we'll be right back. Conceding that, we can kick it over to Mark. We'll come back to Nathan right after that. And so we'll do about two minutes and the floor is yours, Mark. Isn't it funny how he sits there and says how the Globers always just interrupt and go back and watch that last two minutes where I was trying to talk to him? But yes, again, so what this clown with the SpongeBob thing here can't hold in a little prop, which shows the size of his brain. Similar to can't hold in the religious, sell anything that they can to make money. But anyways, yeah, the Coriolis effect for shooting a bullet out a kilometer, we don't even take it into account. And the reason is, is Nathan would like you to think that we're sitting here spinning. How old are you, Nathan? Look at this guy. Oh my God. Anyways, he would like you to believe that spinning at this thousand. Now what's he doing? You're crying. Wow. Anyways, at 1,030 miles an hour after you've waited. Nathan, you have to let him finish. He's trying to make you turn to me. There he goes. Now, yeah, I'm asking what you're doing. You're rubbing your eyes and acting like a clown. He's asking, Nathan, hold on. He's asking rhetorically. So let's just let him finish his two minutes and I promise we'll give you your two minutes, Nathan. It's like when you walk up to someone and say, are you retarded? You don't exactly expect them to have an answer for you. But at any rate, so he would like you to think that this is a massive speed. We're spinning at 1,030 miles an hour, whatever he comes up with at whatever height out from the center of rotation he comes up with. Just think about the force that is involved. The earth is spinning at half of the speed of the hour hand on your clock, OK? So there's the effect. So that's all you've got to think about is he uses these big numbers to confuse simple-minded people. But no, the reason that we don't take the Coriolis effect into account is because it is such a small percentage of correction that we need to shoot out one kilometer or 1,000 meters, which I do all the time. Like I say, I have a savage gun here made to do that and I do it all the time out at our gun range. We don't even take it into account. Do we take sidewinds? Yeah, absolutely. We take sidewinds into account. Do we take, no, we don't take the spinning earth into effect whatsoever. But the reason that, because it's a small percentage, but anything that's a small percentage apparently proves to Nathan that it's a flat earth because he can't see anything down below one percentage point or whatever his mind works his way down to. But what he doesn't understand is we can measure things down to thousands of decimal points. So fact is, yeah, we don't take the Coriolis effect into account. I challenge anybody to go on Facebook and mount his bucket onto a set of frictionless or as close to frictionless. So get yourself some ceramic bearings, put the bucket on ceramic bearings, start up slowly because you've got to overcome the drag or the momentum. You've got to get the fluid spinning. You've got to get the bucket spinning. So spin it up slowly and you will see. Yes, when there is no friction on the outside, just like space is, you will not get a drag. But I would really like to get onto his gravity thing here because that was the part that blew me the way the most, listening to his thoughts. We'll have to switch over here. Go ahead, Nathan now. Nathan, you might be on mute. We can't hear you on this side. Yeah, I did mute myself. I didn't want to interrupt James and do what they do constantly to me. So James, I appreciate you calling me a clown and telling the audience that you go up to people and call them a retard. I don't think it's very Christian of you, but- I'm not a Christian. It's just more insults. Yeah, well, obviously. So just more insults and more interruptions from the Globers, these guys. And Mark, I mean, he admitted to here, guys, he does not account for the rotation of the earth because there is no rotation of the earth. That was awesome, really appreciate that. And then also, he said, the earth is speeding at the half the speed of a hand on a clock. Now, I'll concede the rest of my time, Mark. I just want a real concise answer on this. Do you think the hand on a clock is moving 2,000 miles an hour? Because you said the hand on a clock is moving at half the speed as the rotating earth, which if it's 24,901 miles around, Mark, and makes it 24 hours daytime circuit, then you are moving 1,000 miles an hour at the equator, if so, facto. There's no if, ands, or buts about it. So do you believe that a hand on a clock is moving at 2,000 miles an hour, Mark? Because you said it's moving at half the speed. The earth moves at half the speed as a hand on a clock. So does the hand on a clock move 2,000 miles an hour, Mark? Please, please tell me that you're honestly not this stupid. You do excellent. No, please tell me that you're not that stupid. Do you realize that in our hand on a clock, you need sleep or what's wrong with you there? My baby, you have no scientific arguments. You're just a crybaby. All you've done this entire- We've got to let him finish his time. This is rhetorical. He's trying to- Wow. He's asking rhetorical questions. We'll come to you. This is special. So let me explain. Oh, he's going to talk again. So let me explain something to you there, Nathan. If you were to take an hour hand and extend it out far enough from the center of rotation, the outside, the furthest point against the center of rotation could in theory spin at the speed of light. Do you understand that? Or are you really that stunned? If you can't understand that speed has nothing to do with RPM, then I really am about to close my computer and give up. Now, do you understand that the speed of an hour hand on a clock could spin at 10,000 miles an hour at the outer limit? Do you understand that? If not, I'm done. What is the speed of an hour hand? You said the speed of the clock, hand on a clock, is twice the speed of the rotating earth, which is moving 1,000 miles an hour. I asked you a very simple question and you insulted me over and over again. Now, does the hand on a clock move 2,000 miles an hour or did you misspeak and you meant revolutions per minute or hour or days? Is that what you meant, Mark, and you misspoke? Are you serious? Are you really that stunned? I look like I'm probably- Thank you, thought. You can't figure out that when I said that the hour, can you put your toys away? Go back and put those in your sandbox, okay, clown? He's gonna interrupt me again. So, once again, clown, the hour hand on a clock doesn't spin at any speed. It spins at a certain amount of revolutions, a percentage per hour, you clown. So, yes, when I said to you, the earth is spinning at, get this right. I really hope you can understand what we're saying. An hour hand takes 12 hours to go around a clock. Guess what? The earth does twice that, so it takes twice the amount of time as an hour hand going around a clock. So, yes, it has, I don't know where miles per hour on a clock hand comes into account. Maybe if you told me how long the arm is, then I'll tell you how many miles an hour it's going. How's that? But you just told me that it doesn't have a speed. It doesn't have a speed. Okay, so how are you gonna tell me how many miles per hour it's going when that's a speed? Because I can tell you that it is turning at one revolution every 12 hours. Now I need to know the length, you clown. So, if the arm is 7,000 feet long, then the miles per hour out at the tip is, you do understand that the tip of a rotor on a helicopter is spinning faster. It's moving at a higher speed through the air than the center, right? You do understand that, can we concede that at least? For rotor blades have a speed, but hands on a clock don't have a speed. I didn't say that. Yeah, you said it. Everything has a speed. I can't tell you what the speed, I can't tell you what the speed of anything is based on revolutions per minute until I know the length of the arm. How can you not understand that? Do you understand how levers work? You said twice, Mark, that hands on a clock don't have a speed and speed. They do not have a speed, they have a revolution per hour, exactly. So they don't have a speed. Okay, so speed is distance and time traveled. So does an hour- There you go, there you go. Now we need to know how long the lever is. So it does have a speed, we just need to know how long the lever is. There you go, good stuff. So now if we take a clock's hand and we extend it out to the diameter of the earth, a clock's hand at the diameter of the earth, the hour hand would be spinning at twice the speed of earth's rotation. How do you not understand this stuff? So you just said clock hands don't have a speed like three times. Now you're saying if you extend it out, the speed would be twice the speed of the earth. Yes, if you extend it out to the diameter of, oh, come on, Nathan, you're not this dumb. Nathan, we gotta give him a chance to respond. You're not this dumb. You're saying, oh, it doesn't have a speed. Oh, but you just need to know the lever length. Then you can determine the speed. You are a double speaking cult fundee. We're gonna give two minutes to Mark to respond to that. Nathan, we won't have any interruptions. Nathan, we are going to give two minutes. Okay, so with anyone out there who can thank for themselves, RPM does not tell you the speed of anything. The RPM is the revolution. The speed is the distance traveled over a certain amount of time. So you need to know what the length of the lever is. What I just tried to, I think Nathan's gone to get another toy. I think what people need to understand here is you can't work out power. You can't work out anything until you know the length of the lever that you're dealing with. So yes, if you have a clock hand, and like I said to Nathan, and you extended the hour hand out to be the same diameter as the earth at the equator, at the equator, the hour hand would be spinning at twice the speed of the rotation of the earth, which is roughly 1,030, 1,040 miles an hour, depending on your altitude at the equator. But like I said, this all means absolutely nothing. All that Nathan has done so far is said that I have proved that the earth is not spinning because we don't have to take the Coriolis effect into our calculations for shooting out up to two kilometers, which obviously to him means if something is such a small percentage, the amount of effect that something has on something, if it's a small percentage, all of a sudden that means it's not real. So if it's not a huge percentage, it doesn't exist. I'm telling you, I shoot out 1,000 meters. I have a gun right here. I'll show it when he's talking. I can shoot out 1,000 meters. It's 22,250, so it's a 22 size bullet with a shitload of gunpowder behind it. And when we shoot out to 1,000 kilometers, no, we don't take earth's rotation into effect. We don't need to take it into effect. The bullet is traveling far too fast for what Nathan's talking about. But what he doesn't understand is it's called gyroscopic procession, which is actually what causes the bullet to shoot out. And then it actually usually dives is what ends up happening. That's why you have to adjust your sights, whether you're shooting up, whether you're shooting down. But people can look into that type of stuff. But what I would really like to know from Nathan here is explain gravity, Nathan. On a pancake earth, where do we get gravity and why does it not vary as we get to the edges? Go ahead. Nathan, I think you're on mute. James, that was two minutes and 40 seconds. He extended past this two minutes and then basically said all that just to ask me what I think about gravity on this pancake earth. He keeps reiterating earth's pancake. Okay, well, hold on. If you want, we can give you 40 extra seconds to keep it fair. The fact that you're out of the room, I don't know what you want us to do, just be silent. So we'll give you the same time though. James, I was right here, holding my phone up with the timer on it while he was talking. So all right, thanks, I appreciate the extended time. Mark wants me to explain gravity to him. What gravity is a vain religious superstition that they teach in schools? Action at a distance because of mass. Now, if you look around in nature, large objects do not have a gravitational pull or some type of magic magnetic like attraction to smaller objects. That's not observed. That's Pocus Pocus SpongeBob science that they teach us when we're six years old because when you're six years old, you are not a critical thinker. You don't think that the government's lying to you about the shape of the earth or making up fictitious forces and saying that action at a distance is what's causing everything to stick to this tilted cartoon spinning ball. But mass attracting mass has been superseded by your favorite cult preacher, Einstein. And Einstein proposed that gravity was happening because of bendy spacetime. Now, space doesn't have any properties. You admitted it was a void and time isn't physical. So how you bend something that isn't physical and has no properties to basically believe you live on a spinning tilted cartoon ball is just comedy hour for anyone who realizes the truth and is not scientifically illiterate. Now, you asked me how gravity works. I'll ask you one question, Mark. Can you explain the three constituent parts of a scientific experiment or not? What were you talking about? What would you like me to answer there? What would you like? I've asked you a question and your question is to ask me a question. I've asked you and I've been trying since we started this because like I told you, the stundest thing I ever hear you talk about is gravity. So explain to me. No, I'm only gonna talk for a few seconds here. I'm gonna let you talk because I'd like you to know this. What keeps us on this conspiracy earth that we're on? What sucks us down to it? What keeps us on it? Mass attracting mass is not observable, measurable or repeatable. There's no science to back that up and bendy spacetime is literally a- Didn't ask about bendy spacetime. I said what holds us on earth? You're trying to answer your question. Mainstream science teaches that gravity is caused by the bending and warping of spacetime. So I know you didn't ask about spacetime, you asked about gravity, but news flash, you don't know your own religion. So spacetime is what is allegedly causing your gravity. You asked why we don't fly away or why we're sucked down to the flat pancake earth you keep talking about. But you, my friend, are denser than air. So you're also not Peter Pan. So I don't know how many Disney movies you watch, but humans cannot fly. Air is less dense than a human. So that's why we don't fly, Mark. And gravity, to answer your question about what is gravity, it's not real. It's fake. Mass attracting mass, never proven. Bendy spacetime, never proven. Can you tell me the three constituent parts of scientific experiment or not? So are you telling me that the reason we're on this pancake earth is because we sunk to the bottom of our atmosphere? Is that what you're telling me? I'm asking you again, what is gravity? What is holding us on your pancake earth? What is holding us here? Nathan, let's let him finish. He's asking us. What's holding us down? What is holding us down on your pancake earth? Nathan, if you want. Nathan, if he's asking the same question, you can point it out once he finishes, but we just want to let people finish. Okay, yeah. Let's let him finish the same question. Go ahead. Are you done, Mark? Yeah, again, what is holding us down on your pancake earth? The globe is fully understood by gravity. So we have mathematical models for it. We have everything. So what is holding us down on your pancake earth? Tell me again. Observable, measurable and repeatable science, Mark. You are denser than the air above your head. So you would not float up to the top of the dome. You remain on the ground. Okay, so we don't need any hocus pocus. Good answer. Good answer. Can I ask you a question then? So are you saying, are you saying, oh, okay, continue. We don't need any hocus pocus action at a distance because of mass or bendy space time beliefs on a flat earth because one, it's not science. You still haven't answered my question. I will ask a third time, what the three constituent parts of a scientific experiment is. Now, just a news flash mark. I don't know if you've ever been eating your dinner and been worried that things are gonna fly off your dinner plate, but that's not how a stationary flat earth would work. That's not how your dinner plate works also. Things fly off of spinning balls. So if there is no proof and you can't give me any proof of gravity, you're like, what do you think is keeping you on a spinning ball? But you're gonna, because there is no scientific proof of gravity mark, you're gonna have to tell me the three constituent parts of a scientific experiment. I don't know, you Googled it. I see you looking over at the side there. No, I haven't. I'm just looking at my phone. I haven't looked at all. I know how we prove things in science. I know how we go about. So where you just screwed yourself here, Nathan, and you just screwed yourself really bad. And I don't think you realize, and I can't believe that somebody who says they've done this for five years. Do you want to play with your toys or do you want to have a talk? Like if you want to go and play with your toys. Mark, what is your argument? Carry on. Okay, so why is it, Nathan, that when we measure gold, we measure it compared to a standard on a balance beam? Why do we not measure gold with a scale? Answer me that. Gold has weight, Mark. There's no science to back gravity. I would like the three constituent parts of the scientific experiment. That's my point. No, we're not moving on to anything until you answer my question. And I've asked you 10 times since we started this. What is holding us on the earth? So far, all you've told me is that because I am denser than the atmosphere, I have sunk to the bottom like a rock. Are you going to pull in another toy? Oh, I see. Ding, ding, ding, you figured it out, Mark. You are not Peter Pan and you are not Lester. I think we were still in Mark's statement. So we're going to let Mark finish up and I promise we'll give you two minutes, Nathan. So what Nathan has done here that's a big mistake people that anybody can look into, if you take a hundred pounds of weight or and you measure it on a scale at the North Pole or the South Pole, then you measure it at the equator. And Nathan, go look this up. Why don't you? Due to the bulge at the center of the earth, we lose about 1% or 0.1% due to the fact that it's about 21 kilometers further out from the center of the central mass of the ball basically. So we lose 0.1% due to the bulge at the equator. But guess what we also do that Nathan just said, if the earth was spinning, we would expect things to fly off. Guess what happens if we weigh a hundred pounds at the North or South Pole as we work our way up to the equator? That's right, Nathan. Why don't you look, why don't you look it up? Instead of, what are you doing? We fly off the globe. You said, I said, if we're on a spinning ball, you would fly off, well. Why would we fly off? We have mathematical, we have mathematical models that tell us exactly how much centrifugal force there would be at the equator. And guess what it works out to about 0.4%. So there you go. We can take a hundred pounds at the North Pole. We can weigh it on a scale, a real scale. Then we can take it to the equator. And guess what, 0.4% in measurements. I know you don't like small numbers, but that is enormous. That's like years in how close we can measure things. We can measure weights down to thousands of decimal points, but 0.4% is how much lighter things are at the equator compared to the poles. And guess what? As you work your way around the arc, it mathematically works out perfectly. And anybody can do this experiment, which tells you that Nathan is wrong because Nathan just said, if the earth is spinning, you would expect there to be a certain amount of centrifugal force. And guess what? There is. It is 0.4. So a hundred pounds would be 0.4 of a pound lighter at the equator. Plus the bulge of 21 kilometers gives you another 0.1. So it's about half a pound lighter at the equator. That's why people don't buy gold at the equator and then sell it at the North Pole. That's why we compare it to a standard weight. So again, I'm gonna ask you, why are things lighter? And by the way, 0.4, don't look at it like it's a small number, 0.4 of a hundred pounds, we can measure down thousands of points when it comes to weight. This is a huge number. And we also compensate for it on our satellites and everything. So explain it to me, Nathan. Why you just told me? If we were spinning at the equator, we would be lighter. No, we wouldn't fly off. Math doesn't tell us we would fly off. Math tells us it would be 0.4 of a pound lighter. Guess what? Exactly what we are. Figure that out. I'll look it up to see if my numbers are right. It's been a long time since I looked at that. Go ahead. Before you look that up, could you, for the fifth time, tell me the three constituent parts of a scientific- No, we're not talking about anything. Obviously, like you said, I could have looked this up. You haven't got me on any big I got you. Well, I started this out tonight and I wanna know what holds us down on your pancake earth. If you can't tell me what holds us down on your pancake earth with a scientific mathematical model, we are done this debate. So, like I've been asking you since the beginning, what holds us down on this pancake earth? Do I get two minutes now uninterrupted? You can have five. I just want this answered. What holds us down is the fact that the earth isn't spinning, we don't need a magical force to hold us down. You don't need a magical force to keep your dinner on your non-rotating flat dinner plate. Works the same thing with our flat stationery earth. You also are not Peter Pan, you're not Superman. You don't have any flying capabilities. So that would be supernatural, humans do not fly. So, and actually, uninterrupted, uninterrupted, you gave me 35 seconds, all right? Yeah, that's fine, but just let me answer. Let me answer. Let's get into more of a back and forth instead of speeches if we can. Just to be fair, I do wanna, well, I think what we can do is we can do that, but I do wanna let Nathan finish off this one. Okay, no, that's fine, but I just don't want big, long speeches. Like mine even there was too long for him. You just said I could have as long as I want. Nathan, you have to calm down. You just said I could have as long as I want. It's okay, Nathan, I guess so. I'll take as long as you want, and then I'll give you 30 seconds. We're giving you, we're giving you, Nathan, we're gonna give you the rest of your time. If you're not gonna listen to me, you're gonna say, all right, go ahead. We're giving you the rest of your time to finish that two minute statement up, Nathan. You've got about a minute left. So if you wanna take that last 55 seconds and finish up that two minute interval, we'll let you do that, and then we'll go into that open discussion. Yeah, so there is no reformula equation for mass for gravity. There's only a two-body equation for mass. So to pretend that you have predictive models and you have all these mathematic equations that figure everything out, you are scientifically illiterate, Mark. That's why I've asked you five times for the three constituent parts of an experiment, and you keep deflecting and asking me even though I've told you why you don't fly off the flat stationary earth. Now you don't expect your dinner to fly off a flat stationary dinner plate. I don't know why you would expect humans to fly off a flat stationary earth. You have been confused by mainstream science to think things fly off stationary flat objects and not spinning balls, okay? Now you asked about weight. Weight is not proof of mass attracting mass. It's also not proof of bendy spacetime. But I wanna answer your question. The last point. So we'll kick it back over to Mark and then I promise we'll come back to you to ask that question, Nathan. Yeah, but we still don't have an answer. You gotta give him more time here. Again, all he does is keep coming back and saying that we don't have anything that explains. So I just explained to him that if we live on a globe, we would expect, according to our mathematical models, we would expect 100 pounds at the poles on a scale. So I'm talking a bathroom scale, not a balance beam where you're comparing it to a standard where the standard is being affected by gravity and centrifugal force exactly the same. So I am asking him again, why is it then when we take 100 pounds from the poles and we go down to the equator, why is it 0.5 of a pound less? That's all I wanna answer. That's all. And then we'll go back and forth one question for one answer. Why is it that my mathematical model works? And all the way around that arc that mathematical model works perfectly. Is it a conspiracy built into scales? Tell us about it, Nathan. Cause this is a fact. I'm sure you've looked it up. I just looked it up. My numbers are dead on. 100 pounds at the equator is 0.5 of a pound lighter than at the poles. Explain it. Can I turn now for two minutes uninterrupted? No, we're doing one question for one answer. All right, great. So how long do I get to answer? Whatever it takes you. That's how a question answer works. Okay. Well, you told me that last time interrupted me 35 seconds into my answer. Well, that's why you only answer one answer and you don't answer an answer with a question. I still have my standard questions to you. You can have the rest of the night. How do we stay on the pancake earth? So you have us and, yes, humans do fly. And let me tell you where we fly. We fly in the ocean. When we go in water, we fly. You don't understand that? You don't understand that a penguin flies in water instead of air? You don't understand that? I was always taught that humans and fish swim in the ocean. Yeah, basically, but yeah, you can put whatever word on it, it is, but yes, if we get ourselves into a dense enough median, yes, we are flying. I don't know what you're laughing about, flying, swimming, whatever you wanna call it. We are floating. Okay, well, let me tell you now why we don't fly off the pancake earth. The atmosphere isn't water, okay? You wanna pretend you fly in water. The atmosphere is not water, Mark. Any more questions you can explain? Yes, it is. All right, can I answer your wait question about why things wait differently at the equator? No, you just told me that the atmosphere is not water. I'm telling you it is water. It has a very high percentage of water. You drink the air? You're telling me I can drink this air? No, that doesn't, I'm never drowned in the atmosphere, Mark. That's interesting. It doesn't seem like water, it seems like air. Are you kidding me? You don't understand what humidity levels are. You don't understand that when you're somewhere where water, anyways, you're cutting me off again. Do you not understand that when you're somewhere that's very dry, you need to drink? Are you back? Are you getting a toy or what are you doing? We've gotta go back to, we gotta let Mark finish this one, Nathan. I promise. So at any rate, anybody out there, anybody out there that lives in a very wet place, understands they don't need to drink as much as if they're, say, walking through the center of the Sahara. So yes, don't let Nathan tell you that our atmosphere doesn't have water in it. Go take a look. Oh, he's interrupting again. Let's just let him finish, Nathan, and I promise he'll come right back to you. I don't know if anyone noticed there, but he was pretending that he was sucking off the atmosphere and saying that that was him drinking. Yeah, that's exactly what we do. When we breathe, we take in water. Absolutely, we take in water out of the atmosphere. So you'll notice what Nathan does is he takes everything here to the extreme. Like if the earth is spinning, we must be flying off of it. No, we're not flying off of it. At the speed that we say that it spins, we would weigh exactly 0.4 of a pound due to centrifugal force left at the equator. And that's exactly what we observe. So I have continually asked Nathan what holds us down on this earth. And according to him, it's because we have this magical, I don't know what it is. Is it a dome, Nathan? Do we have a dome or does the atmosphere on this pancake earth, does it go on forever? What stops it from spilling off the side, Nathan? Maybe tell us that. Can I get two minutes? Unirrupted, please. Yep. Great. So you heard it here first, guys. Mark thinks the atmosphere is water. Not to air, he thinks it's water. And then he tries to straw man an argument and claims that I say there's no water in the atmosphere. Now, of course, the atmosphere has aqueous particles. They cause atmospheric magnification. Now, as an object gets farther and farther away, the atmosphere can magnify that object. And since it's smaller, the bottom can be obstructed. This is what they've been telling us for hundreds and hundreds of years, is earth curve. Turns out that effect changes hour to hour and day to day because it's based on atmospheric conditions and water in the atmosphere. Not the atmosphere being water, but water in the atmosphere, Mark. Okay, so you asked, do we have a dome? Well, I don't know the exact shape of the container, Mark, but you said earlier you can't have pressure around a tire rim without the tire. Okay, we got that out of the way at the very beginning. So if you can't have pressure around a tire rim without the tire, well, then the earth can't have pressure around it in a vacuum without some type of container. Now, unfortunately, for you, you're scientifically illiterate, you don't know what science is, you think things weighing differently in different parts of the earth is proof you live on a spinning ball. That's hilarious. Now, Mark, will you admit, and I just need a quick concession, that air has weight also 14.7 psi at sea level? Yes or no? According to you, it doesn't exist. No. You just told us, you just told us that absolutely not, there's no atmosphere. There's very few gaslighting and deflecting. Does air have weight, 14.7 psi or not? Absolutely. Excellent, great. That's why you, that's why what you, are you gonna let me answer? Well, I'm still answering. That's why what you, oh, it's being weighed differently. I just said I need a quick concession. That's either a yes or no, that's not anything else. I just need to answer. Well, I already told you what the psi was. All right, great. So you agree air has weight. Now, I don't know the shape of the container and unfortunately for you, it's not proof of mass attracting mass or bendy spacetime, but there's a very simple way that that could work on a flatter and that's simply that as you go towards the North Pole, you have more air above your bald head mark. So you weigh 0.4 of 1% more. Now, unfortunately, if we're on a ball spinning 1,000 miles an hour and you decrease the centrifugal force to like, let's say a quarter of a mile an hour, that's a 4,000 times reduction in the centrifugal force. So if you weigh 170 pounds at the equator, you would not weigh 0.4 of 1% heavier. You'd be 7,000, 700,000 pounds at the North Pole as opposed to the equator because things don't fly off stationary plates, Mark. They fly off spinning balls, okay? So you can quit asking me why things fly off stationary flat objects because that doesn't happen. It only happens on your model that you believe in, okay? Now, there is no scientific evidence for mass attracting mass or bendy spacetime. That's why I've asked you seven times for the three constituent parts of a scientific experiment. Now, can you answer that question or do I have to ask you an eight? Yeah, you'll have to just keep asking because I'm not even gonna play into your stupidity. So here's where we're at now, James. Anybody, anybody, let me talk. So we're gonna go to question and answer now. So anybody watching this debate, I would like Nathan to post his mathematical model that would show at the speed that we're turning on what we say the diameter of the earth is that we would weigh from 170 pounds at the North Pole and he said up to 7,000 pounds. That's what he just said. We would weigh 7,000 pounds at the poles if we weighed 170 at the equator. So this debate is done. He's stunned. He doesn't know how to do math. And he has no clue what he's talking about because our mathematical predictions are absolutely perfect. And that's what they, no, I'm done, like I said. So what's that? You just said I don't know half and I can't explain anything. Well, if there's a 4,000 times reduction in centrifugal force and someone weighs 170 pounds. Where do you get 4,000? I said earlier, if you're moving 1,000 miles an hour at the equator and you reduce the speed towards the North Pole, you go towards the North Pole where you're moving slower, like 100 feet from the North Pole, like let's say you're moving a quarter of a mile an hour. You're not moving 1,000 miles an hour, you're moving, that's a 4,000 time reduction. So if you take the number I gave you, 700,000 and divide it by 170 pound man, there's your 4,000 time reduction in centrifugal force. So you said the debate's over, I don't know math. I just wanted to clarify, I do know math. I look for it all. Wow, does everyone stop? I want everyone to consider that now. So what he's saying, oh, he's got his toys out again. What he's saying is that all of our weight is because of centrifugal force. No, they're- Oh, he's interrupting again. What he said he never does. Let's give him a chance. Oh, he's interrupting again. What he says he never does. Okay. Let's give him a chance. At any rate, our mathematical, and I will post for you exactly what we would expect a spinning earth, what we would expect the reduction in weight to be, not mass, in weight as we work our way out to the equator and it works perfectly through the arc. We will post that math and we will see why it is that nobody claims that we weigh 7,000 pounds or whatever this clown's numbers were. This is absolutely insanity. Like this guy just makes these stupid claims. Like he says that I said we can't have pressure around a rim without a tire. And yet I'm the one that said, no, it's 14.65 psi. What are you talking about? That is exactly what we'd expect. So instead of sitting there pretending you know how to do math, why don't you go on Google and take a look and see why it is that we sell gold compared to a no one weight and we do it on a balanced beam because a hundred pounds of gold at the North Pole compared to what it's worth at the equator. Guess what? A half a pound of gold is a hell of a lot of money. It's over $10,000. Do you realize that? Oh, I know you don't like listening to anything. So what he hasn't been able to do tonight and then we're gonna go to question and answer because like, oh he's still interrupting. So what we're gonna do is not once tonight, not once tonight did he tell us what's holding us down on this pancake earth. He says that there's some container but we don't know what it is. Apparently 14 psi. So let's think about this people. All we need to do to figure out what we would weigh if the atmosphere is 14 psi at let's say C level is we would have to measure exactly how much air we displace and that is exactly what we would weigh according to his model. So let's do that math. Let's see if that works. If he's right, then he's right. Then we don't have gravity. We have displacement and that's what we weigh. So that makes sense. We can test that with math. So that's good. So actually everything we talked about tonight, I'm gonna go back. I'm gonna rewatch this whole thing and I'm gonna go through and maybe I can get Professor Dave to go over some of this stuff with me and we'll come back with all the mathematical models. Maybe Nathan can tell us what this container is that holds this atmosphere in place so it doesn't spill over the edge of his. I don't wanna call it a pancake but I don't know what else. I don't know what is it a square earth? Does it have a bottom? What stops stuff from falling off? Okay, I think Nathan's getting tired, James. So let's go to question answers then. We can jump into the Q and A. Nathan, to be fair, if you want maybe 60 seconds because that was maybe two minutes or so from Mark, we can give you 60 seconds. Otherwise, if you wanna defer, we can go right into the Q and A. Yeah, I mean, I've asked him eight times what the scientific method is because I base all my research on observations and real science and I haven't got an answer for what real science is from Mark because he is scientifically illiterate. Now, he said- I'll figure I'm straight to- To put together an experiment and test it and then compare. We do, let's see. Just to- Did he not just ask me a question? I'm telling him exactly what it is. We put together an experiment. I don't know if it was rhetorical. I think it was maybe rhetorical. Oh, okay. Let him go ahead. Yeah, I understand the scientific method if that's what he's asking. Well, if you understand it, you can't tell me what it is. I've asked you eight times. What, were we put together an experiment? We guess what our findings are gonna be and then we compare our findings to our original hypothesis is, is that what you're asking me? What are the three constituent parts for a- I just told you. Any scientific experiment, we put together our experiment, we test it and then we compare our, we compare our results to what our hypothesis was. What do you think they are? So the three constituent parts, are you do the experiment? Nope, nope, nope, nope. You plan your experiment, you plan it, right? You test, so then you do empirical and then you do a comparison of what you expected to have happen, exactly. That's how science works. So what's your answer? That's how theoretical science works, is you make predictions and then run tests, but how real science works, is you make an observation first. Now, once you have an observation mark, you can say, what is the cause of this effect? Then you can work out a hypothesis with control variables to determine, is this the cause of the effect? Then you do your experiments, Mark. That is the science- Nope, that's wrong. That's not how we do experiments. No, we don't observe things first. We can imagine things first. We can come up with ideas. We don't have to observe anything. So what we do, what we do is we come up, we come up with an idea. So we sit around one day and we go to ourselves, I wonder if this earth could possibly be a flat pancake. So then we set out to test it, and then we check our results, and our results always tell us, no, it's a globe. So what you're doing is you're just trying to find a way of, so what are you saying? That unless we observe something, we can't scientifically test it. Is that what you're saying? So people just can't come up with ideas. So let's say the electromagnetic force where we spun a magnet at, what are you doing, pulling your head? You asked me if we need to observe something to research it, and my answer is- So electromagnetic forces, we do? You have to make an observation in order to conduct an experiment because part of the experiment is manipulating the cause of the effect to determine if that's actually cause of the effect mark. So if you have an observation you're observing, how are you gonna manipulate the cause of an effect you don't not observe? How do you- That's a really good point. That's a really good point, Nathan. How do you manipulate the cause of an effect you're not observing? So- No, you're absolutely right. You're absolutely right, Mark. Yeah, no, I am illiterate, Nathan. You're absolutely right. I guess, I know I am scientifically literate. So I guess one day, what did we do? We walked along and there was a coil of, say, copper with a magnet spinning inside of it. And so then we got to observe it and then we understood the magnetic field and electromagnetic forces, or do you think someone came up with the idea? Hey, if we possibly spin a magnetic field inside of a copper coil, we may be able to induce a voltage, a flow. What do you think? So did we observe it or did we manage it? Did we observe it first? I'm so glad you asked, because one of the videos on my channel is Professor Dan Landfrop saying that they have never replicated or duplicated the dynamo threshold. Now, molten metal reaches a curry point, which is much lower than the temperature at the center of the earth, Mark. So you're claiming that you have all this science, but Professor Dan Landfrop claims you can't have a dynamo threshold on a spinning ball where electromagnetic currents just come to fruition out of nowhere. They've never duplicated that. That's never been replicated. So you have a cartoon religion where you think the interior core of the earth is hotter than the surface of the sun, Mark. No, you're absolutely right, Nathan. You believe that the core of the earth is hotter than the surface of the sun, Mark. Yeah, absolutely, Nathan. You're dead on there. You're really dead on. Do you know what happens, Nathan? Do you know what happens if you take a disk of aluminum and you spin it between magnets? Do you know that that produces eddy currents that we can actually see and we can actually physically measure? Do you know how much power we can absorb with two magnets, with a spinning disk of aluminum inside of it? You have any idea how hot it gets? No, I bet you don't, because you've got some professor that says that there's no way that the molten earth is a real thing. But again, tens of thousands of scientists say it is a real thing. So like you say, we don't really care about your scientist. I'll flush Neil DeCrasse Tyson. I don't give a shit what he says. I don't study him. I don't care. I listen to him. He's an interesting guy. But he's not my god. You see that that's the funny thing. People in science don't have gods, Nathan. But anyways, James, we are going down a rabbit hole again. Let's get into question and answer and we'll test all this mathematically. And I hope Professor Dave is actually listening because I hope he can help me run through some of the mathematical models and the stuff that we've talked about tonight. But Nathan basically disproved himself when he said that if we're a spinning ball, we would expect to fly off at the equator. So he is absolutely right. His math is wrong. We wouldn't expect to fly off. The math tells us that we would be 0.4 of a pound lighter per 100 pounds. And guess what? It's exactly what we are. Just because in his imagination, he pictures us flying off, doesn't matter what he pictures. Math tells us what the force would be centrifugally and it's exactly dead on. So let's go to question answer. Unless he wants to, now just finish her up. Yeah, I get to respond. Thank you very much, Mark. I appreciate you. We'll give you 60 seconds, Nathan, just because we don't want it to go too long. Yeah, of course. So he keeps bringing up this like flying off thing. Guys, humans have never been observed on a spinning ball. So yes, I would submit, if humans lived on a spinning ball, guys, they would fly off. Now he claims we have all this math and models, mixed predictions, but unfortunately for Mark, I've asked him eight, I'll ask him nine times what the three constituent parts of the scientific script. He didn't know, guys. He said, first, you conjure up ideas in your mind, then you do an experiment. How do you do an experiment on an observation you conjured in your mind? This is how scientifically illiterate the glow, cold zombies are. 30 seconds. Thank you so much for playing that, Mark. I really appreciate you coming here. It's been a blast. Question and answer. Let's rock and roll. We will jump into it, folks. Thanks so much and appreciate all of your questions. I want to remind you, both of the speakers, I put their links in the description, folks. So that way, if you're listening and you're like, hmm, I want more. You can hear plenty more from these guys. And so with that, we will jump into these. We want to see, as well, we really appreciate all of your questions, folks. Even just thanks for hanging out with us here. It's always fun. We hope you feel welcome, whether you be flat earth, globe earth, you name it. No matter what walk of life you're from, we're glad you're with us. And with that, thanks for your super chat, MaynardSaves, who says, how the white cliffs of Dover form on a flat earth? White cliffs of Dover, earth obviously has topography. What I'm trying to figure out is how curvature manifests on our flat earth, because it's not observable. I've been looking for it for five years. Nine states and two continents, guys. I haven't found it. Large bodies of water don't curve. So yeah, we have hills and cliffs and valleys. That's not earth curve. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from MothraJ Disco, who says, does Hovind know that you stole his SpongeBob bit? I don't know. I'll have to text him later and ask him if he knows I stole SpongeBob bit. Gotcha. By the way, folks, rumor is that we, it's someone, an atheist, reached out to me and they're trying to set up a debate with Kent Hovind on modern day debate. And so the gentleman who reached out to me requesting it is trying to work that out with Kent. So it's a possibility we don't know though, as we've had a couple of little squabbles in the past. So Joshua Larson, thanks for your super chat, who says, the earth is hollow, you weiner. Gotcha. Thanks for that, Joshua. Only sheeple can't see. Thanks for your super chat, who said, why would anyone bother to debate with Nathan after he was demolished by fight the flat earth? Flat earth has no answers to simple observations ever. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat, Irish Demon, who says Nathan explained the email from the B-O-M-B-E-R pilot, ha. I like how you did that, James. Yeah, I got a random email from a pilot and I won't say it, but he told me that he thinks it's flat. He told me some of his superiors were fired for coming out and talking about flat earth. And I don't know, it was just an email. I don't have any evidence that he's actually in the military or anything, but I thought it was an interesting email and I shared it, so that's it. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from our dearest friend, Brad Dubai. Let me know if I'm mispronouncing that. Appreciate it. They said, we still have yet to see a coherent debate between the two. What do you mean? Yeah, I'm a flat earth model. Have you seen me with my shirt off? I mean, come on, I'll model for you guys if you want, but the globe has no model. There is no curvature. The earth doesn't span. If you're still begging for models in 2020, you're scientifically a literate crybaby on the globe side. Gotcha. Next up, appreciate your, by the way, turn my camera off on Zoom just because you had some dropped frames, guys. Thanks. Rezark9, flat-tard tear drinker. Thanks for your super chat who said, Nathan, why does your echo chamber Facebook group block and mute anyone who disagrees with you even when they're not trolling? Your group equals North Korea. Hey, I appreciate that. That someone would actually believe in a few short years, we'd get 131,000 members enforcing rules like no cursing and no insults, but also blocking anyone that doesn't blindly believe everything I tell them. That's so funny. That's ridiculous. It's never been my message. We don't block people who have different beliefs. We require them to support their claims with evidence. If you can't show us proof-of-earth curve or spinning earth, but you make claims in the group, call that preaching. It's not science, it's religious. And you guys can get up. Next up, meet me. It's religious and you guys can get up. Next up, Maynard saves. Thanks for your super chat who said, why do maps from the 1500s and then in parentheses, Piri Reese depict Antarctica as a land mass and not a wall long before NASA as a conspiracy theory? Yeah, so every ancient civilization that was making maps used flat maps. It was only recently they started turning the flat maps into a globe. They've also celestial navigated for thousands of years using the sky as a map because we are not blasting through cartoon space. The earth doesn't move and space isn't real. Gotcha. Thanks so much for your super chat from John Rapp. Good to see you again. Says, so Nathan, your presentation is all about you. I know my presentation was about how if the earth was spinning it would either move as one cohesive body or it would move separately. And then I also talked about how you couldn't have gas pressure without a container and large bodies of water do not occur. So I don't know what you're talking about me for. Gotcha. Joshua Larson. Thanks for your super chat who says, I'm seeing a lot of fedoras in this chat. So I don't see how you just see fedoras is a username. Kango24. Thanks for your super chat who said, Nathan, why do you do this? You have been thoroughly debunked so many times. My favorite is Baldicat's quote debate where he showed you know nothing. Yeah, you can keep believing that, but you keep believing that I've lost debates, but I tear with myself and I've had three nikons. We've done helicopter tests, infrared tests, laser experiments, mirror reflection tests. You can look at a specular reflection, large bodies of water don't curve and the truth is incontrovertible. You guys think I don't care about my reputation and I think I'm just saying things to look like a flatter idiot. One, you don't know me and two, you don't have a clue how human psychology works. I would not be out here telling you guys the earth is flat for funsies, okay? I want to be a blow birther. I want to believe that our tax money is going towards space and research, but it's not. So I have to tell people the truth and that's what I'm doing. Gotcha. I answer that. Hey, hey, James. Yes, we have it. Go ahead. I haven't seen that I haven't had a question. What I would like to propose here is why don't we start a GoFundMe? I just figured out an exact way. He's had a lot of questions. So let me do this. Let's start a GoFundMe page for Nathan. Let's send him to, and he doesn't need to go to the top. We don't need to kill him here, but let's send him to a very high, high mountain. It doesn't matter. It can be in the States. It doesn't even have to be Mount Everest, but I'll put some money into this. I'll honestly put a hundred bucks into this. If anyone else wants to help, we start a GoFundMe page. He should be able to go to the top of that mountain, and there's plenty of them in the United States, probably close to where he lives, and he should be able to take a telescope and find us all the cities, all the way across the United States, all the way down into South America. As a matter of fact, he should even be able to see England. So let's do it. Let's put the money. Let's put this to an end. There you go, Nathan. I just came up with a scientific method that matches my method. I didn't observe anything. I had a thought in my head, hey, I know how to test this. Let's go to the highest point we can find on Earth. Let's even go to the top of the CN Tower. That's plenty high if it's flat. We should be able to see every city on this Earth with a huge telescope. Let's do it. It'll put it to end. There's the three signs. And hey, guess what? Your third portion of your scientific method, if you don't see all the cities, you're wrong. We're right. Done. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from Stupid Horror Energy. She strikes again. She says, what the heck is astroarchaeology? They've been lining up megalithic structures with the sky because the sky is a map. That's why we have constellations. That's why we have time lapses and a stationary pole star called Polaris. So astroarchaeology is building buildings, lining them up to our sky map. And they still work today, ladies and gentlemen, because we are not moving 500,000 miles an hour through the solar system. That is a solar system for luring your solar way, probably why our friend here, Mark, is an believer. Gotcha. Just so you know, James, he's wrong. The things that we built 2,000 years ago, no longer line up. Just like the North Star is no longer the same North Star. Look it up. Gotcha. Things for you. No longer line up. Thanks for your super chat. Mike Billars, who says, Nathan, ever tried to build a GPS receiver from scratch? Do it yourself, software or hardware. You have to use sphere Earth. I'll walk you through everything if you want. Yeah, no, when building GPS, you do not take into account Earth curve or Earth rotation or magic and gravity at a distance. You're simply using temporary helium balloons, fiber optics, submarine communication cables, which connect over 200 countries and move 98% of the information. And they also have drones and modified U2 supply planes and ground-based towers, ladies and gentlemen. Gotcha. K-024, thanks for your super chat. Who said, Nathan, why is the pressure differential larger between the base on a mountain and the top than space and the edge of space? Yeah, well, space is fake. We haven't taken any measurements from there, but barometric pressure can decrease with altitude simply based on elements that are in the air. I mean, if you look at a periodic table, hydrogen, helium, lithium, beryllium, boron, carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, chlorine, neon, sodium, manesium, lumen, silicon, phosphorous, sulfur, they line up based on their relative density to one another. And so, yes, the atmosphere is constantly moving around. It's closed and dynamic, but that's how we have a pressure gradient. Y'all can also look into fluid statics and how they will separate into flat and level layers in a static system. So, good question. Gotcha, thanks for your super chat from dear's friend, Outlaw Jere, who says Natalie, what brain program do you recommend to get sick trout shoulders like that? Sick trout shoulders? I don't know what you mean there, but yeah, the brain is a pharmacopia. It can produce steroids. That's why last year I grew an inch taller at 34 years old. I knew I'd do it. I did it in about three to six months. I measured everything, documented everything. But yeah, not many people out there saying they're growing an inch in their 30s, are there, James? Next question. First time I've heard it, Ranger Man 9404. Thanks for your super chat. Who said, Nathan, are you really comparing a ball to the earth? Well, that's what you guys believe it is. So, yeah, sometimes I do compare a ball to the earth, but it's much more analogous to a flat stationary dinner plate or pizza or coin. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat. Shannon Neme. Let me know if I mispronounced that. Said Nathan, correcting you is not important enough. I just want to say bless your heart. Thanks so much for caring about my heart. K-024. Thanks for your super chat. Said question for Nathan. You talk about fluid dynamics a lot and how they work. Please explain what the Navier stokes equations describe. I don't know what the Navier stokes equations are. To be honest, go ahead and email me flyerflyers at gmail.com. I'll give you the answer. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat. Mark Dietrich Cochran. Appreciate it. Didn't see a question, but if you have one, just tag me. Let me know if you want to attach it. Only Sheephole can't see. Thanks for your super chat. Said I find it comical that a minion like you, RockioLife, thinks they understand. They're coming after RockioLife hanging out in the chat. They said, flat earth is out of time and answers to remain a topic to care about. Epic fail. Well, RockioLife, they're coming at you. And flat earth, thanks for your super chat. Said he has the physics comprehension of a child. Are they talking about? I'll leave Mark alone. Come on, you guys. All right, I'm just kidding. OK, thanks. By the way, you guys, I'm telling you, you guys think I'm making this up. The link in the description of Mark's channel is basically like the real life Tiger King. Mark has the cool. It's an absolutely epic channel where you, like I'm not joking. You will see a video with Mark like petting lions and like walking among them. It is really cool. So want to let you know about that, but only let's see and flat earth and my wife, James and my wife. Oh, that's absolutely. I only got to see one video. So forgive me for missing you, Tammy. Appreciate that. And next up and flat earth. Thanks. Oh, we got that one. Excalibur. Thanks for your super chat. Said Nathan is fake like championship wrestling and jaren ism. Also, it's all about YouTube hits. And Kent Hovind is his trainer. Dude, you guys think I care about YouTube hits? YouTube demon ties. Deletes. I have two videos deleted this week with no strikes. Guys, you think I make videos to make money? You are freaking lost in the sauce. Gotcha. Appreciate your super chat. From our dearest friend Kango24 who says, Nathan, you accept there is atmospheric pressure gradient, correct? So what height does the atmospheric pressure gradient stop? Never. All gas pressures can same. The objects inside the gas molecules will either move until they hit an object or bounce off one another. So this is simple gas pressure 101 guys. You can't have gas pressure without a container. Gas moves in all directions. Not just down towards your cartoon baller. Gotcha. Hey, James, can I take a shot at that? So what he just did again is absolutely explain why the atmosphere spins with the earth and there is no drag put upon it whatsoever. So again, he just explained it perfectly. That's right. Molecules will run into molecules and push them along until something acts upon it to stop it. And in outer space, there's nothing. Like I said, put bearings on that bucket, Nathan, and give it a go. Put it up on your YouTube channel. You just said it goes into the stops and it hits something in space. Let's see. What was it? Oh, there is nothing in space. I'm going to give. It goes vacuum. It bounce off of. The gas would disperse rapidly. That's my point. Thank you very much. But it doesn't. See, I'm going to give Nathan the last word just because the super chat was aimed at him. Monkey cat pat pat. Thanks for your super chat. Who said, well done, Mark. Too bad. Nathan will just deny everything. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat. K-O-2-4 strikes again says, Nathan, unlike you, vacuums don't suck. Oh, just to correct you, James, they have a six foot wall concrete reinforced that that backs up the two feet thick aluminum wall. They have for the vacuum at the Sandusky Research Center, which is not even as strong as space. It's half the intensity or tour value of space. So yeah, it definitely would suck if you tried to stand in there and literally rip you apart. So whatever, Glover, keep believing what you want. Hey, Nathan. Nathan, what's the maximum vacuum you can have on earth? Well, the Sandusky Research Center is the strongest tour value that we've been able to replicate. And it's about half as strong as you believe space is. But there's definitely container. It's six feet thick concrete and two feet thick aluminum. OK, so you do understand the strongest vacuum we can have in the atmosphere is the 14.6 PSI, right? You do understand that. That a vacuum is zero. Gas pressure 14.7 PSI is not a vacuum. A vacuum is defined as the absence of gas pressure. That's right. So the maximum vacuum we can have in an atmosphere is one atmosphere. You do understand that, right? There's no such thing as the vacuum cleaner that can suck by a negative value or get down to zero PSI. You do understand that, right? So when you talk about this six feet of concrete with two feet of aluminum, you do understand that all that has to do with is how many square inches that 14 PSI is pushing on pounds per square inch. So you do not need that much concrete, for example, to have a zero vacuum in something small. But yes, when you have a great big long container, it needs to be very thick. You do understand that, right? The atmosphere has to be contained. Vacuums have to be contained. Otherwise, the gas would fill the space. Now, how do you create a vacuum, Mark? You suck the air out. So you don't know you don't know you don't know you don't. How would you create a vacuum? Go out into space. Have a container. Same the way that we do the going isn't creating a vacuum. I said, are you okay by sucking the air out? How are you clown? Okay. So, so, so do something for me when you get a chance. Okay. Take a bottle at the, you don't even want to hear it. A bottle? So take a bottle at sea level. Now, take it underwater. Guess what? It won't crush. Try taking it down 5, 6, 700 feet. You understand how it works? That's not creating a vacuum, Mark. It isn't. Okay. So are you telling me the pressure? Oh, okay. I understand. You have no clue what you're talking about. Okay. You bring it up. I asked how you create a vacuum. I said you suck the air out. You said no. No, you don't. You don't have to suck air out. No, you don't. Next up, we do have to, we do have to go back to the questions. Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. We've got to go back to the, uh, well, let you have the last word because the super chat was targeting you, Nathan. And then we got to go to the next one. Yeah. You're so scientific. Literally, Mark, you think going to space is creating your own vacuum. That's not what I said. You never said that. No deflector and gaslighter. Never said that. Gotcha. Thanks so much. Appreciate, by the way, thanks. New patrons, Timothy Foster and Elizabeth Schneider. We appreciate you becoming patrons for the channel. That support means a lot. We are excited about the future in trying to get new guests. Next up, let's see. Maynard saves. Thanks for your super chat. Who said, Natalie, according to your own personal experiments and math, can you give us the dimensions on the flat earth? Yep, I can. The earth has zero curvature and the earth doesn't spin at all. Those are the dimensions. I don't know where the edges are. If you're asking where the edges are, the edges have never been observed. Also the same on the globe. I just have never been observed. Nobody knows where the edge of space is that they blindly believe in. I don't know where the edge of the flat earth that I have tested and has no measurable curvature is. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from Angel Garay. Appreciate it. They said, where is the pressure gradients inside a tire? A tire is not a closed dynamic system. A tire is a closed static system. So it's not analogous to our atmosphere or the earth. Man, these globers, dude, are so scientifically illiterate. This is easy, bro. Keep them coming, guys. Keep them coming. Gotcha. Appreciate your super chat from Ranger Man 9404. It says interruptions. Nathan is projecting like a drive-in feeder. Next up, thanks for your super chat. Razark 9, flat-tard tear drinker who says, Nathan, can you explain the SAGNAC effect? Yeah, of course, the Mickelson-Morley test was trying to figure out if the earth rotated around the sun. They found out that the measurements didn't add up at all. And what we were experiencing with the light interferometer was light moving, which is what the SAGNAC effect is. And yes, light moves. If you look up, you can observe. Take a time lapse of the sky. If you don't believe me, I've done over 100. The sky moves. Lights in the sky move. So the SAGNAC effect is a real effect that does take place, but it's not because of any type of earth rotation at all. The earth is stationary. Gotcha. Thanks so much for your super chat. K-024 says, Nathan, why don't the oceans rush to fill the lower pressure area of the sky above them? Well, because the oceans are comprised of water, and water is more dense than the air above it. Gotcha. Robert Williams, thanks for your super chat. Who said 30,000 hours of flying time, Nathan can't think or math, at least when it fits his agenda. Another ad hominem insult, federal airline administration trains pilots on a target generation facility. It is a flatter simulator with non-rotating earth that negates a gravity vector. Cool story, pilot. Next up, Arne Ruravik. Thanks for your super chat. Who said question for Nathan. What's keeping the high air pressure in your garden from equalizing with the low pressure on top of Mount Rainier? I already went over that. How they're easily explained by different density in the molecules in the air. Check out a periodic table of elements by. Gotcha, thanks for your super chat from our dearest friend, Dan Dan, who says, Nathan, what is a single piece of evidence that would totally convince you that the earth is actually round? Well, I think the earth is round. So you're geometrically illiterate. You got to go look at a pizza or a coin. Those are round and flat. Next question. Excalibur, thanks for your super chat. Who said shooting East a 50 caliber bullet will drop by two inches because the earth is spinning to the West has nothing to do with gyro or euro? Gyrosophic recession. Kyra, thank you. Nathan is ignorant. Oh, wow. Yeah, so there's a $20,000 challenge. Miguel Michael Angel on Facebook put it out. I know he has money. I've stayed with him in Dallas, Texas. Really nice guide is really well doing roofing. Guys, check them out. $20,000 on the table. If you believe in this hocus pocus Coriolis effect, which is the atmosphere moving separately from the earth. Mark said that doesn't happen about 20 times during the debate. So just like no discrepancies here with the global model. Good stuff. Gotcha. Thanks. Jen asked for your super chat who said good news all Jesus lives and he died for you because he love you so much. Accept him as your savior and follow him to know true joy. East on the West. So are your transgressions Psalm 103 for next up Los V. Thanks for your super chat who said Mark making this look easy dominating this debate debate. Wotan, please get a fan out there. Mark, I have mathematical models. That's really what it comes down to. And I never said that the atmosphere can't like obviously the atmosphere can move independent of the earth. See he comes up with these straw men. I've never ever ever said that go back and listen to what I said. Of course we see wind, but we know where wind comes from. No, we do not have a earth atmosphere that we would expect to be have a drag put upon it by outer space. All our mathematical models line up absolutely perfect. It's up to Nathan to show us where it doesn't work. It's called math. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat. Appreciate it from our dear friend, Michael Dresden. Not surprisingly, our friendly neighborhood troll has arrived. He says in all caps, of course, Nathan's dominating. Next up, John Rapp actually responds to Michael Dresden and another and another super chat saying Michael Dresden bowing down to a clown typical. Oh snap. You guys, the chat is, you guys are on brawl tonight. Call the hospital. Razark 9, Flat Tartier Drinker says, thanks for your super chat and they said call the hospital, call the police. Nathan, do you need ice for that burn? Oh, and you also interrupted several times. Nathan, I can see your reflection in the window. Cool stuff. I thought he was done speaking when I interrupted guys. I honestly wasn't trying to interrupt. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat. Brad Dubai thinks they said Nathan does not even understand the heliocentric model or physics or reality for that matter or why his coloring books have numbers between the lines. More ad hominem insults. I mean, I'll challenge you to pretend that you know more than me about the globe, which is 24,901 miles in circumference, 234,000 miles from the moon, 93 million miles an hour. My 93 million miles from the sun. I mean, eight inches per mile squared up drop. I know all the math, all the physics. It's all a joke. There's no way more knowledgeable. You're going to find about this cartoon globe religion than right here. So. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from P Barnes who says respect your passion, Nathan, but you really need to start researching the concepts you hear in previous discussions. Test earth yourself. See what you can prove. That's what I've been saying for five years guys. You don't need to research. You need to go outside. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat Excalibur who says Nathan doesn't understand what a fictitious effect is. I'm an aerospace engineer and we certainly take into consideration of curvature. What an idiot. Fictitious means not real. Thank you very much. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat Ranger man nine four zero four says Nathan's brightness is way down. Next up. Cal's Kingdom. Thanks for your super chat who says Nathan equals purposefully ignorant bad faith actor. Are you triggered yet? Gotcha. I've never heard insults from glove zombies. Oh, what am I going to do guys? Oh, my mom still love me. Oh no. Gotcha. Happy dude. Thanks for your super chat who says Nathan in all caps crushing the globe religion. Gotcha. So you have a fan out there. It's a let's see. Tinker Phil. Thanks for your super chat who said Nathan do a search for long range artillery and the Coriolis effect. They have to take it into account. Darrell Lee is one of the moderators for the official flatters and globe discussion that he shot artillery for the US military for almost 10 or 15 20 years. I saw him speak at take on the world. It was incredible. He talked about how they only move the gun on an X and a Y axis. The it's basically a flat earth and they never adjust for Coriolis. That guy's a clown. Dude earth doesn't rotate under hot air balloons helicopters artillery bullets, insects smoke balls you throw in the air. Nothing because earth doesn't rotate next. Gotcha. John rap. Thanks for your super chat who said danger will Robinson danger. Beware the clown next up. Thanks for your I like the pop culture references caliber. Thanks for your super chat says both are wrong. 50 caliber pointing East will drop two inches. Sniper computer takes care of that. That is the reason snipers don't even know about it. Bad info on both sides. Guys have got a critic. No, what I said is I shoot out a thousand meters one kilometer and it's so small. We don't take it into account with a 223 bullet. You start getting into BMGs that are a half inch 13 millimeter. Yeah, you're then you are talking. You got to start to you got to start to calculate for it because you're a center of mass from the center of the rotation of the bullet is increased a lot more and then you do start to get gyroscopic procession that will start to push it down. So no, that's that's not what I said. I said I shoot a 223, which is 22 caliber, which is 0.22 of an inch. So earth rotations only affecting certain guns and certain bullets, but not all of them. You heard it here. Ladies and gentlemen, got exactly as you get into a bigger bullet, it has a higher moment of inertia on the outside than it does on the inside. Obviously, like I tried to explain to you before the speed of something rotating. So yes, you take a big wheel spinning at the exact same RPM and try to knock it off its axis compared to a small wheel. I hope you can understand when I put things into very, very simplistic models for you. I'm trying to make it easy. Yeah, but all those things are spinning at first. We've got to go. We've got to keep moving. Thanks for your super chat. Sphere itself has says, James, your channel is better than this. Nathan is so disrespectful. He's making a mockery of what it is. Usually a great show. Next up. Thanks for your super chat. Sphere itself says, oh yeah, being so sexy. James, thanks for that. Like I said, Sphere itself, the 90 or the 65 year old postman from Alabama. He's our biggest supporter. Stupid horror energy. Thanks for your super chat. She says, Nathan, can you quote a Bible verse that teaches a flat earth? Yeah, of course. I don't know if you've ever opened a Bible, but go to the very beginning in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void. Darkness moved over the deep and the spirit of God moved over the face of the waters. Look into water. It's a natural level. Gotcha. Thanks so much. Cal's Kingdom. Thanks for your super chat. Who said, is Nathan aware of what psychological literature says about conspiracy theorists about how they just want to feel special? Hmm. Curious. You little snowflake. I added the snowflake part. Yeah, because being honest and criticized and losing a six-figure job with legal shield makes me feel special. Good. Good one, dude. Thank you so much. Brilliant. Martin C. Thanks for your super chat. Who said, Nathan, thank you so much for misunderstanding how a 12 hour clock works. It made my evening. Mark said that that smooths at twice the speed of the earth. The earth moves 1,000 miles an hour at the equator. So I asked him, does the hand on a clock move 2,000 miles an hour? And then he basically just insulted me and you guys can go go watch the replay. That was hilarious. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from Timothy Foster says Nathan, if there is no Coriolis effect, why do hurricanes spin counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere and clockwise in the southern hemisphere? Good question. I mean, I get this question almost every debate. You must have never seen the debates have done in the past, but it's called an electromagnetic wake as the sun and moon move through the firmament above our atmosphere. They have an effect on the atmosphere. That's why the atmosphere is closed and dynamic. But if you just run your hand through a bathtub with oil on the top or through a pool and observe the shadows at the bottom, the vortexes that come off of your hand spin in opposite directions, very analogous to the sun and moon moving between the tropical cancer and tropical cap corn and causing hurricanes and storm patterns to spin in opposite directions. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat. James Harvey who says Psalm 104 5. Thanks for your super chat. Only Sheep will can't see says I challenge you to a debate Matthew Moore someone in the live chat. I love it. The debate challenges are always exciting. B or five is the Earth is on foundations and will never move. I haven't memorized. Just wanted to share that. Gotcha. Thank you and BT doves. Thanks for your super chat who says Nathan fame doesn't equal truth. Neil deGrasse Tyson said flat earthers prove public schools are failing humanity. The most famous scientists said it's so that proves you fail at science, not the proof you give. He just said fame doesn't equal truth and then quoted the most famous scientists in the world as if everything you said is true. That was hilarious. Good job Glover. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from dearest friend and Flat Earth who says Nathan I'm going to win also Nathan gets destroyed. Next up Nathan is not amused James Harvey. Thanks for your super chat who says Job 38 14. Next up happy dude. Thanks for your super chat who says let's see. I think that was a let's see. I don't understand. I did I miss the we had a critic her dearest friend Excalibur tonight, but don't worry. We like the critics. Don't give Excalibur a hard time. We need critics. We don't want to become an echo chamber. Let's see Excalibur. Thanks for your super chat who said my point exactly. He as in James cares about being Jerry Springer in the show no more no less. Well that's one way to interpret it, but I would just tell you folks I know that sometimes we get I mean you'd be surprised how often I get like messages emails Facebook whatever about platforming controversial people and even I think a couple weeks ago someone saying we're going to boycat. We're going to boycott modern day debate is like well you know what folks we are following through with the promise of being tolerant. You will platform virtually any position. It's about true tolerance folks in academia. It's a bad joke. It's like oh we're all about tolerance and then a lot of times there are certain people that won't be allowed to speak in certain places will let anybody speak here if you don't like it if you want to threaten us like oh I'm going to unsubscribe. I won't give you super chats anymore. That's okay folks. It's not why I'm doing it. I'm doing it for the very same reason when we started we want to have an equal playing field for these big questions in life. So with that thanks for your super chat. See Jen asked giving pushback to maybe indirectly says thanks for your super chat. Jen says James thanks for not caving in when people pressure you to not platform controversial people. Appreciate it. Jen appreciate that next up. Thanks for your super chat from let's see Mike Billers says Mark you do talk way too long and Nathan's a child. Jeez they're just taking jabs at both of you guys. Let's see. Thanks for your super chat from slick with Nick said there is an atmospheric gradient. Why don't things fall up towards the less dense medium. Yeah he's right. That's exactly what we'd expect. Nathan are you there. Yeah sorry I checked my dog. I haven't seen him in two hours. What was up James. Gotcha. Next we had that last super chat was they said slick with Nick said there is an atmospheric gradient. Why don't things fall up towards the less dense medium. Some things do fall up. It's called a helium balloon globe heads. Oh my God dude this is hilarious. Gotcha. Thanks for your super chat from our dearest friend who's a stupid whore energy says why doesn't Nathan accept the Cavendish experiment is not an experiment. There's no observation that you can determine mass attracting mass that is an effect conjured in the apparatus. Gotcha the next up. I don't even know what this one means. I feel like I should. I'm pretty sure it's meant to be an insult but I can't tell if it's just toward Nathan or both. You guys are just being pretty rough and tumble Ranger 9404 says Marcus denser than air that can't be an insult. Then they said Nathan is denser than a black hole. Okay. I get it. Thank you. There he is. Gently's channel. Thanks for your super chat said because reasons. Thanks for your super chat Raven zero who said oh we have we have given plenty of answers to Nathan so not our fault he is brain dead and his community Nathan they're coming at your dogs your people. So good that's what they do do to insults and interruptions that's what they got to look forward to anti-flatter there's John wrap. Thanks for your super chat who said Nathan what is the difference between mass and weight. Difference is that mass doesn't cause things to magically attract to it neither does wait I mean what do you mean the difference between mass and weight. I mean the mass is how much of something something is and the weight is how much how hard it pushes against the ground. Glovers do what are with questions bro get with the science got you appreciate that. Next up thanks for your super super chat from the rumble biter who says how is the heat dissipated in the dome Nathan Thompson. When lights cold you got to look in the moonlight being cold so obviously the heat would dissipate if we have a cooling light. Gosh thanks for your super chat from Decepticons forever says Nathan a detailed explanation for tides please. Yeah of course legs don't have tides so gravity mass tracking mass I mean to think that the moon all this stuff works on a globe that's why he's asking who thinks all this stuff works on a globe to think that the moon would pull the oceans up and down every time it goes around the earth but the earth wouldn't pull the moon down to earth it just shows how scientifically illiterate these globe erthers are and so yeah. You know you don't have any proof or so globe so you can't pretend you have these gadget questions because there's no curve your doesn't rotate and gravity and tides on a globe make no sense at all whatsoever so I'll just ignore you did you just say that lakes don't have tides did you really just say that yeah do you think your pool in your backyard has tides mark absolutely absolutely like I said Nathan you may not understand it but we don't need to see things move meters to to be able to measure them we can measure down to thousands of decimal points so yes I will absolutely guarantee you you could take something as small as a pool and measure measure the moon going over the top of it no I don't have that kind of measuring stop Nathan well then claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence later loser no loser have no evidence for your claim so I'll dismiss it without evidence to go to your test quit pretending it happens because you have a SpongeBob fairy tale imagination that pretends a lot of things mark okay so stop making claims go do your test with a pool and prove they have tides if you do and you prove pools have tides I will make a video apologizing to you and telling you how smart you are so you have to go from lakes down to pools because we can measure it on a lake other than the ocean please mark you haven't tested it you're you literally so scientifically illiterate you're about to make claims you've never tested and have no evidence wow wow forward we gotta move forward Decepticons forever thanks for your super chat who said Nathan a detailed explanation for tides please yeah okay so detailed explanation for tides sometimes you have a high tide the water goes up sometimes you have a low tide the water goes down mass attracting mass never proven bendy spacetime also never proven so we live in a closed dynamic system the sun and moon obviously heat up the atmosphere cool the atmosphere as the atmosphere expands and contracts barometric pressure is always the same at sea level so that could be causing also the dielectric properties of water and diamagnetic properties of water as the sun and moon move above us could be having some sort of effect I personally haven't tested tides I've been too busy proving you don't live on a spinning globe there's no curve and the earth doesn't rotate I'll get to Nathan did you just say that did you just say barometric pressure is always the same at sea level 14.7 we've got him keep moving thanks for your super chat from let's see that a response we got it whits it gets it thanks for your super chat who said mark can privations have physical properties gotcha thanks for yours if you didn't hear folks mark said no thanks for your super chat Raven zero who says I don't know this guy but anyone that can rip and tear Nathan like this deserves a drink my treat Timothy so you got a fan out there mark Jane how does pressure change with ocean depths at sea level the air that surrounds us presses down on our bodies at 14.7 pounds dude you got to teach Globers everything they don't even know their own religion gotcha thanks for your super chat from Timothy Foster appreciate it says James for you because you're putting in a lot of work appreciate it really do and all credit to the speakers and whits it gets it thanks for your super chat said mark congrats while waiting till you mark gets back Excalibur thanks okay said mark congrats on constant straw men shifting the burden of proof and reification fallacies this clown got dismantled Nathan for the win obviously so so here's the deal he just asked me to make tests so he says that we can't measure a tide in a pool fair enough I probably can't I don't have any way of measuring it's not something that just an average person has that kind of measuring equipment but one thing I can tell you you can go down to your local home home improvement store grab a barometer and something to measure barometric pressure and see if that ever changes at sea level according to Nathan never changes always 14.7 gotcha thanks so much appreciate it and thanks so much Danny Masters Studio for joining our patreon really appreciate it means a lot to have that support we're excited to do some upgrades folks as we do have some tech upgrades coming up I just made a couple of purchases and plan on setting it up and then we've also we're shooting for some upgrades in terms of our intros and things like that to make the graphics better and also of course the audio so thanks for your patience with our audio through the years James you should hire a good looking host Sassy I like that very good Nathan well I I want to let you know Earl the postman happens to disagree with you so appreciate it let's see your super chat from I think we read yep Excalibur says is Nathan really this stupid or is it fake more insults pretty pathetic gotcha thanks for your super chat general ball sack says I'll fight mark on Trump's position on the coronavirus they're defending me whoa general ball sack if you email me that's his real name by the way on his birth certificate if you email me general ball sack we will host that if you and Mark are both up to it on a date that works for both they said I'm getting tired of his sacramonious position okay thanks mark is not amused beat BT doves thanks for your super chat said Nathan you claim other people are scientifically illiterate but you refuse to prove how denialism isn't evidence of anything other than a weak argument we talk about ask this guy eight times if you knew what a three constituent parts of an experiment was and he literally said you conjure up ideas in your head do an experiment and then look at the results bro you can't if manipulate the cause of an observation you conjured in your imagination SpongeBob gotcha thanks for that's not what I said at all he said that you have to observe something I said you didn't have to observe it at all you're interrupting again so interrupting again manipulate something you don't observe what are you talking about you just said you don't need to observe something to do an experiment how do you know if I so if I get up so if I get up tomorrow morning and I think to myself gee I wonder what it would be like to take coke and let's mix it with mirotic acid I've never seen that done before is that not an experiment because I conjured it up in my head is that what you're saying because I've never seen coke and mirotic acid mixed together before I can't do that experiment come up with a hypothesis of what would happen if I drank it and then test it is that what you're really saying very easily could observe coke and mixing it with any chemical you want what I'm saying I observe it unless somebody did it you'd have to come up with the idea in your head you'd have to go ahead and do it you'd have to do the experiment and then see what your results are see if they match what you came up with so no he's just pretending he likes to use these big words you'll hear him do it a lot but really he has no mathematical understanding what science is the observation and experiments of the natural world I'm sorry mark you're scientifically illiterate but a Coca-Cola can never be observed in the natural world but it's man-made so if you want to conduct whatever you want to do with a Coca-Cola doesn't prove you're on a spinning ball it's not science at all whatsoever but period Coca-Cola is man-made yeah you don't have fine lakes or rivers of Coca-Cola in nature but it's man-made so we don't see sugar in nature we don't see water in nature no none of that a I'll repeat myself you don't see Coca-Cola in nature we definitely have sugar and we definitely have watermark right right we have murotic acid dude don't be where's your big red nose do I get an animal balloon at the end of this clown show are you gonna make me an animal balloon asking me if we see water and sugar in nature and pretending that that is Coca-Cola I don't notice that 99% of the people that are watching this think you're an absolute idiot you don't notice that I don't get another ad hominem and solve you're a sore loser but I'm not a loser I already told you Nathan Nathan I've already told you I am willing to put a hundred dollars and it goes on me money what do you mean this is I just thousand dollars of my own money to do observation we do have to get back in so then do it you guys you're saying I'll do I have to get back in grand testing your you haven't spent Jack here we go thanks for your thanks for your course I haven't all right I would I getting late so I've got you both on mute I hate to do that but I'm gonna read the next question and then cows kingdom thanks for your super chat who says Nathan is a beta and then says marks anger equals understandable next up thanks for your super chat from let's see BT dub says Nathan you claim other people are scientifically illiterate but you refuse to prove how denialism isn't evidence of anything other than a weak argument oh gosh you're right I did that one already super sorry about that that's embarrassing Michael Dresden thanks for your super chat says sorry globeheads but Nathan dominated in all caps you got a fan out there Nathan stupid horde energy thanks for your super chat says indirect observation via instrumentation is part of the scientific method there is no observation in nature with mass attracting mass so you can conjure up in your metal balls and which have magnetism and your apparatus we don't observe that in nature guys so you can continue to be scientifically illiterate pretend you're right but the truth is incontrovertible malice will accurate ignorance will try and derived it with things like Cavendish but in the end there it is hey James yep can I answer that ask ask him one day to look up what happens if to ocean going boats full of full of something like iron ore gets sucked together and stuck together tell them to check that out gotcha check that out dude that's gravity you got it and thanks so much for your super chat from let's see mix caliber says yeah now mark is nailing him you go mark got a fan out there mark carrot Kakarot thanks for your super chat said Nathan explain time zones course the sun moves around polar center you've ever seen a yin and yang that is the sun and the moon moving around polar center and so the earth the sky is a map and a clock that's where we get time zones from the sun makes it perfect 24 hour 360 degree circuit the globe invented sidereal days and pretends that it's not a 24 hour circuit then they invented leap years because they have to compensate for the fact we don't live on a spinning globe and the day and night doesn't doesn't change every six months because if the earth does rotate a perfect 24 hours 360 degrees every 24 hours that means every six months nighttime would turn into day and daytime would turn tonight because we'd be on the other side of the sun now not only do we not observe completely different night skies they invented the sidereal day the sun does move in a 360 degree 24 hour circuit so that's how we have time zones guys the sky is a map and a clock gotcha thanks for your super chat from Dan Dan who says Nathan how do you explain the equinox yeah of course so as the sun moves between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn sometimes it crosses the equator these are super easy give me that you guys are really nice give me softball questions it's like your first day research in flat earth or something gotcha and what the hell is the equator on a flat earth yeah it would be the meridian point between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn on both models it is an imaginary line you can't go to the equator and point at it and say there it is but it would basically be the middle point between the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn and on flat earth those are the two latitudinal lines that the sun and moon move in between to answer your question I would love to see how you have a light going around 360 degrees on a flat plate that shines on exactly half of it at a time I'd love to see that you'll have to demonstrate that someday you're presupposing that half the earth is illuminated at any given time first of all you haven't tested that second of all how would you know how big the earth is and exactly what percentage of it is going thanks for your super chat from gently's channel who says Nathan can't math worth a damn one million forty eight thousand five hundred seventy six times two is two million ninety seven thousand one hundred fifty two times two is four million one hundred ninety four thousand three hundred four times two is eight million three hundred eighty thousand six hundred eight I mean maybe you can't map that's why you don't understand what I'm saying Excalibur thanks for your super chat who said now Nathan is drinking so much he is slurring slurring super hard I just did multiples of two to the twenty to two to the twenty fourth no problem should we do the off about backwards CYXWB TSR keep you on MLKJ HTF we'll go okay we'll come back to that later thank you for that and next up happy dude thanks for your super chat who said Nathan dominated sorry folks the truth hurts got you thanks for your super jet common sense criticism says keep drinking can't wait for the sobbing video no problem tune in later next up Excalibur thanks for your super chat says Nathan gets drunk in all caps again thanks for your super chat nobody here says what experiments have Nathan has Nathan done to prove that there is a dome yeah I mean well experiments are cause and effect so determining the cause of an effect dome I mean basically the second law of entropy second law of thermodynamics is entropy guys so my proof is you don't observe gas pressure without a container and my second exam evidence is that spaces all cartoon so if we give the government fifty two million dollars a day we shouldn't just be getting cartoons of the South Pole cartoons of satellites in space cartoons of the solar system we should have some real pictures eventually I mean they say they landed on the moon fifty years ago guys and we don't have real pictures satellites for the South Pole or the solar system give me a break got you know you can get on a cruise ship and go to the South Pole you know you can go up it up into the forget it have you done mark no I haven't I don't want to I know people that have so I know we got to have we got to keep going there's a geometric there's a ceremonial cell pole there's an electromagnetic cell pole which one are you telling me I could go to mark next up wits it gets it thanks for your super chat said mark can concepts have physical properties and can't know that so no Nathan that was we got to keep moving space monkey seven seven seven seven is there a natural observation for electrical transistors or any other electronic component that makes your computer Natalie what an idiot okay your computer doesn't prove you're not glowed if you actually just real research you'd be a flat earth or thanks for your super chat Dan Dan who says pancakes taste good keep them out of this mark and Nathan since you love Hovind do you also believe dinosaurs and man shared the earth you don't have to believe anything science isn't a belief it's observable measurable and repeatable I've never seen dinosaurs roaming the earth with humans so until I do I'll withhold belief next up Mike billers thanks for your super chat said James I wish you would vet these interlocutors oh that's a good reference to Darth Dawkins you guys there's this funny video I'll try to link it in the comments after this video is done there's this hilarious video of Darth oh my gosh okay so Darth Dawkins we hope you're doing well let's see flat earth data thanks for your super chat says what causes the apparent junction of the sky and ground earth curvature or eyesight that would definitely be eyesight and atmospheric conditions the way the loss of perspective work we have converging lines from the sky and the ground meet at eye level and the alleged curvature changes day to day hour to hour based on atmospheric conditions because we have acquiesce particles in the atmosphere also you can have different amounts of waves or wave shoaling all sorts of variables you need to take into account but globers don't because the only reason things disappear is they live on a tilted cartoon ball gotcha thanks for your super chat appreciate it from our dearest friend BT dubs says if globe earth is as ridiculous as you say why do you lie about it you shouldn't need to lie and twist everything so much I just want an honest conversation you just presupposes that I lie and didn't give any evidence or give an example of where I lied so that's a really cool story glober and a very empty claim Kakarot thanks for your super chat they said I'm the one debating Hovind I'm not an atheist good to know John Rapp thanks for your super chat said globetard is not an insult right clown I never use that word gotcha next up thanks for your super chat John Rapp who says Mark on a scale of 1 to 10 how ignorant is Nathan well he's very smart this has to be for money you can tell he's smart he's not a dumb person he has to be doing this for money attention I don't know but I just don't know if he realizes the negative attention this is going to cause in the future once like I say once this little flatter thing phase is over gotcha thanks for your super chat from Phillip appreciate it said hey Mark you're very knowledgeable about science so I'm just wondering are you self-taught or do you have a science degree no nothing just self-taught just do a lot of reading gotcha thanks monkey cat pat pat thanks for your super chat said send Natalie to space and leave him there space is fake send me to your imagination and leave me there like go play some video games Andreas Elda thanks for your super chat Andreas I think it is they said why does lead way wait not sink through a wooden table because a wooden table is solid so solid objects don't sink through other solid objects gotcha thanks for your super chat from Reverend Reverend Arrow who says question for Nate what strain and what beer hot this is um a beer from Belgium Cougar and a and I don't know what it means but strain gotcha thanks for your super chat Gabriel K says Nathan is showing skin heck yeah still an idiot okay Brian Brocott thanks for your super chat said Nathan I'm guessing you believe him when Neil deGrasse says the earth is round right would be pretty dishonest if not he doesn't say it's round he actually says from the Felix Baumgartner space jump the earth was flat and the reason people think that it was curved is was fisheye lens so I don't know maybe Neil's a closet flat earth or guys I don't know but he says it's flat from 128,000 feet up it's good enough for me gotcha Tioga thanks for your super chat she says I'm a beta gosh really embarrassing that's weird thanks for your super chat Mike Billers who says GPS triangulation shows satellites satellites much higher than helium balloons prove your ridiculous statement right no they don't at all whatsoever metal boxes fall towards the ground they don't fall in circles around the earth okay not to mention nothing could reach the orbital velocity to escape Earth's atmosphere they say 17,000 miles an hour I've asked NASA employees have you ever seen anything going faster than 5,000 miles an hour resounding no because things don't go that fast so you can just believe in satellites Google them they're all cartoons gotcha thanks for your super chat from JL Warren who says Nathan one how do you know the distances between the cities you travel between and two I'll let you read that answer that one first yeah of course you know the distance because you could measure the distances and regardless of how far you travel you'll never account for any earth curvature longest distance photos 270 miles guys there should be 50,000 feet of missing earth curve there so get to the point Glober gotcha thanks for your super chat from our dearest friend or the wait he his second question JL Warren asked why is it when why is it when you plot out those known distances between cities the plot points form a sphere they don't actually you're using those plot points and then going to Google Earth and calculating angles between those three plot points and I've heard people who go to Texas A&M and spend $50,000 a year and think taking three plot points on earth and then putting it on a globe with Google Earth is proof they live on a globe I'm like what are you paying $50,000 for to learn reification fallacies how sad and pathetic save your money go buy some food started fruit and vegetable garden the things about to get interesting got you thanks for your super chat Dan Dan who said my kid knows more about physics and math sad yeah another ad hominem insult very sad that's all the globe cult religious zealots have monkey cat cat pat pat thanks for your super chat says everything Natalie says ding next up another insult James you see the pattern here you get some pattern recognition James thanks for your super chat Excalibur who says LOL this is funny Nathan gets drunk again yeah blessed are you when men reval you and curse you and speak all kind of evil against you falsely I mean if you think I'm drunk you're such a clown you probably think you live on a cartoon ball thanks for your super jet Timothy Foster Timothy I always love seeing your your presence in the live chat present pleasant person and says Nathan if a tire isn't analogous to the atmosphere why do you constantly bring it up well because both of them are closed containers gas pressure requires a closed container so regardless of what the gas inside of the container is doing the reason I bring it up because all gas pressure requires a container thanks for kind of paying attention I guess Timothy got you and thanks so much appreciate your super jet from Tory Ingle message deleted got you thanks so much Raven zero for your super chat who said question Nathan X space rocket as it's going up in altitude at one point the combustion thrust will expand base on different altitude pressures yeah I agree pressure decreases without to we've been over that about 10 times you know we live in a closed dynamic system and the elements in the atmosphere are not the same there's different elements look at a periodic table different densities with the elements guys just basic like third grade stuff dude thanks for the softballs thanks for your super chat space monkey 77777 ratio of tennis ball to earth is equal to 0.2 times 10 to the negative eighth power needs to have a water layer of four to the 10th to the negative fifth equals microscopic dip ball in water you get a layer more than that on the ball proved water adheres to curve yeah I know now spin the ball tell me how that works out for you and what happens the water bud thanks for your super chat X caliber says sorry Mark Drizdale I misunderstood you you go next up thanks for your super chat monkey cat pat pat says ding BT dubs thanks for your super chat said I didn't quote the most famous scientist like it was true I was saying that's your logic Nathan and it doesn't make sense good job flat earther yeah I mean mainstream will teach that objects in the atmosphere move separately from the earth but we don't observe that anyone will tell you a drone an insect smoke helicopters hotter balloons we've been over this 20 times earth doesn't rotate under anything because the earth doesn't rotate got you X caliber thanks for your super chat says to say modern a debate lol sorry I was rude that's really nice of you appreciate you owning that seriously really do appreciate you and said Nathan why do you utilize math and science and the theories and physics of a as you say quote scientific religion unquote come up with your own and then demonstrate it I don't pretend there's curvature I don't pretend gravity I believe in real science that's observable measurable and repeatable so I don't even understand what you're talking about dude got you thanks for your super chat space monkey 777777 says tennis ball earth is equal to one ratio of one to two to the 10th times the negative eighth ratio to earth on a tennis ball is equal to nano layer of water dip a ball in water you will see water curving to the ball read that jam that said spin the ball the water flies off that's totally a different one it's slightly different yeah smart alec okay thanks for your super chat I'm just teasing you the ghetto physicist says Nathan why do you utilize math and science and the theories and physics of a as you say quote scientific religion unquote wait what the heck are we getting duplicates yeah we got no that wasn't quite they said uh come up with your own and the demonstrate and then demonstrate to all the current scientists in the universities okay that's slightly different yeah that's what we've been doing we got 130,000 people over 10,000 debates just like this one where the other person hasn't tested anything made a lot of empty claims and believes the government and everything in the textbooks even though they disagree with what's in the textbooks and say the atmosphere moves with the or too funny Dr. Ranger Man 9404 thanks for your super chat said have the dog answer the questions he's smarter than you Nathan another ad hominem little pattern red pattern recognition yet James you seen it monkey cat pat pat thanks for your super chat says Natalie had ruined Sponge Bob next up Nathan guys I don't know if you're confused or or delusional and I think I'm a girl but my name is Nathan Thompson I know I take up a lot of space in your brain rent free but at least get my name right Gotcha Der weasel thanks for your super chat said please be less insulting if you want to get your point across being insulting to the masses will not help anamorphic mine says to come home she has your favorite pacifier clean and ready for you that's a good one dude yeah I'll drive across country tonight thanks so much next up super energy thanks for your super chat says how can the entire ring of the flat earth be illuminated at the same time by a single light source but not the center of the flat earth from shy Hawkins you're presupposing that you have done observations from every point on the perimeter of flat earth and determined that they're all illuminated I mean what a joke dude it's like could you pretend harder sphere itself thanks for your super chat says curse you James is the sexiest host around as I said that is Earl the postman he is 65 from Alabama the biggest supporter we appreciate that Earl thanks for your wits it gets appreciated they said mark what's a shifting burden of proof all coming up with something and then saying you can't explain it so it's it's not to it's not true like you know just shifting the burden of proof which is basically everything that Nathan says here though you got to realize is that you won't take anything so he'll with we say well we've been to space we've seen the earth of all oh no we haven't everything's a conspiracy so all he does is everything that we say that we know he doesn't accept any of our proof we've been to the moon we've looked back at the earth we've seen it but then he'll say well you haven't done it Gotcha and thanks for your super chat okay we we have to wrap up the Q&A folks in the sense that we can't take any more questions though sorry we are we're going on three hours we're going to try to speed through the rest of what we have here and thanks for your super jet Steven Smith says Nathan any actual measurements for for doesn't spin yeah sure outside look at the laser test we've done look at the long distance observations those are measurements Gotcha thanks for your super chat from Brian Broca says those of us that don't deny scientific consensus are religious is it science or your religion that believes in people returning from the dead I've never seen anyone return from the dead so I believe the son of God that is God there's a difference so it's just another strawman argument James Bassick Bro thanks for your super chat said how does Nathan walk and breathe at the same time b-ball for life thanks for your super chat said if Cavendish is not an experiment Nathan then why does nearly every university perform it well because universities and mainstream science has been hijacked ladies and gentlemen so they will confuse you and trick you and tell you it's an experiment when it's not there's no naturally occurring observation of mass attracting mass it's a vain religious belief guys you got to get with the programs 2020 got you a ranger man nine four zero four thanks for your super chat says if we don't observe gravity in nature explain orbits yeah well I've asked NASA employees of proof of gravitational orbits so first before I explain something you got to stop pretending it's real that's called begging question fallacy so if you had some scientific evidence that things fall in a circle around other objects because of mass well I'd look at the evidence but based on my research my five years of running the official flat Earth low discussion and my chats with NASA employees it's all about belief it's not about science guys welcome to the globe religion got to move fast BT dubs thanks for your super chat said Nathan your misunderstanding my super chats if you say someone is scientifically illiterate say how so we know they're saying say how you how so that they are scientific literate so we know it's just constructive criticism yeah of course dude I asked him eight times what three constituent parts of were an experiment and finally he gave me an answer which was you just think about it and then you manipulate what you're thinking about ha that's funny good work mark Nathan what's let's see fifty six thousand seven hundred and fifty seven times twelve go you have one second you're not going to tell us you want you want me to use a calculator I mean multiplying large numbers in my head and their weasel sorry didn't mean to cut you off yeah so it helps I don't if it helps I don't know either I'd have to use a calculator yeah I can't even remember the number I totally I knew it all right I'm kidding I didn't der weasel thanks for your super chat says nothing there but if you have something let me know general ball sack thanks for your super chat said let's go to Antarctica either we prove the shape of the earth or we get a good time in Antarctica going to Antarctica only proves that you went to Antarctica guys go outside the earth is flat everywhere you don't need to go to Antarctica to find out it's curving or if it's flat this is how scientifically illiterate you guys are it's really that nake was right thanks for your super chat said Nathan do experiments test things found in nature like experiments only deal with nature and the observable world yes thanks for your super chat stupid or energy says mark what do you think of the movie quote strange brew have I seen that I don't know if I've seen that one thing that I think it's pretty funny is that Nathan no evidence and there's nothing he's been able to research on his own unless he wants to tell us that people talk to him and his imagination so just think about that for a minute yeah well the evidence of a creator is all around you it's called creation so if you want to get real okay those the evidence of our of our of our globe birth it's all around you it's called the globe but well good one Gabriel K thanks for your super chat super chat says says James has do you mean like when Steve McCray comes on the channel because as you'll see on the bottom right of your screen he will be back to take on snake was right this coming Monday and I don't know if you guys thought it was fruitful let me know if you did or didn't he's a controversial figure that's for sure let's see Brian Broca thanks for your super chat said why do these debates why do these debates honestly you hand wave dismiss any and all evidence you don't like and they said that's for Nathan I mean there's no evidence that I don't like guys I don't have feelings in this I told you earlier I would rather be a glow birth or but it's not glow so I don't know what you're talking about you guys are why point and laugh and take and take a telescope to the highest mountain you can find and show us where all the cities are done all right we already talked about there was a question from Flatter data he said things disappearing bottom or eyesight and I answered it's due to eyesight and atmospheric conditions now telescopes still obey the laws of perspective mark I know you're scientifically illiterate but you can't use a telescope to see forever or dis obey the laws of perspective and you said forever anytime you're using an optical you just said I should be able to see every city and everything from the highest point with a telescope you think you can see forever with a telescope you don't need to see forever not forever clown okay you don't need I got just to assure you not forever clown well we don't need to give Nathan the last words because it was targeted at him and then we've got to move on James we've done long distance observations far day of cranes 17-mile 35-mile laser observations you're right we don't need to see forever we just need to see far enough to prove your cartoon globes wrong bud next up thanks for your super chat point and laugh says space vacuum cleaner plugged in where Tyler 432 thanks for your super chat says mark where is one ISS is that do I remember right is that the international space international space center yeah space they said where is where is one ISS picture showing people in Australia upside down there is no such thing as right side up or upside down that there is no right side up or upside down that was something really funny that Nathan said on our last debate that you stood upside down and watched the toilet flush yeah there is no upside down there's no right side up or upside down there's no north there's no south when it comes to outer space next up space monkey 7777 thanks for super chat said wet curving wet curving baseball still wet in catcher glove thanks for your super chat Dan Dan says Google at homonym I don't think you understand backing the person not homonym is thanks for your super chat monkey cat pat pat says once again ding next up Caleb thanks for your super chat said Nathan why would the government want to fabricate a globe yeah well the word government comes from the word govern the mind govern the mental which is mind control and I in my opinion the globe earth is one of the greatest magician sorcery mind control wizardry acts you could think of an infinite space they get you to deny that the sky is a map and a clock and night some 19 one says the firmaments declare God's glory and show his handiwork so what happens is you develop a very heathenistic atheistic worldview even though space is infinite creates a very finite way of thinking so you end up being a shape shifty shape shifting monkey who believes in the big bang which basically states strawberries and dolphins short and pithy came from a die show show your sources thanks for your super chat said old question but Nathan have you seen God I haven't seen God myself but I've seen evidence of God it's called the creation now one day we will all see God and we will give an account you better believe it globers next up thanks for your super chat fear the weeper says what did you just smoke Nathan in parentheses we saw it in the window reflections are a B yeah I smoke mark in this debates when I smoke next up thanks for your super chat Daniel Baker appreciated said we can observe gravity and gas in a vacuum by looking at Jupiter from our own backyard isn't this pro isn't this proof good enough yeah well he's saying basically presupposing space and then presupposing what Jupiter is a big ball of gas but I don't believe there's a big ball of gas it's a luminary it's a light in the sky all lights in the sky are luminaries nothing is reflecting sunlight that's why moonlight is cold next up buddy believes in a God red cosmos devil thanks for your super chat said Natalie what is 20 slash zero if that's hard or 20 divided by zero if that's hard what is two to the seventh power stay on the topic of the discussion please next up thanks for your super chat Raven zero said I built my own drone with GPS model and took it to the middle of nowhere no cellphone tower I can still pick up eight USA and five Russian satellites how I told you it's more than ground based towers they also use fiber optic submarine communication cables and temporary helium balloons and they use something called war ran for things that are over the ocean so look into it guys I mean it's like day one flatter three search questions so got you thanks so much and thanks so much I think that we've gotten all of those questions so want to say thanks so much I said ask Nathan James if the moon is real these Glovers want to know if I think the moon's real yeah look up at night the moon's very real so I just want to answer that question for Danny James got you well there you have it Danny he believes in the moon thanks for your time everybody it's I honestly it just puts me in such a great mood totally enjoy it but I have to say I have to give all credit to the speakers they make it fun we really appreciate these guys they have passion they've got gusto there are a lot of channels that would be thrilled to have these guys and so we just want to say thanks so much to our speakers for being with us tonight yeah of course James happy to be here happy to be a patreon of the channel guys like and subscribe and if you're a big time subscriber then make sure you support support James a lot James and one thing I do want to apologize for a often in in Kent's Kent Holman's debate he'll call people retards and stuff and I find it really insulting and I use that word tonight and I just want to apologize for doing that slipped out I'm 52 years old we talked a little bit different back in the day and believe me we're not proud of some of the stuff that we did back in the day and the way that we talked but use it regularly and I'd like to apologize for that thanks Mark we really appreciate your authenticity we really do and a last Brian Steven thanks for your Patreon question said Nathan didn't read the full quote quote the Corialis effect impacts objects on a large scale and does not generally have a big influence on small scale objects and that's cool well show me where it affects large objects because it doesn't move under airplanes either the federal airline administration trains pilots on a non-rotating earth so cool story doesn't move under insects or large objects like airplanes Gotcha so want to say thanks so much for everybody being here I'm telling you guys I put the links of these speakers in the description if you want something that you would like interestingly enjoy I'll be a little bit bias in this in the sense that I'm going to tell you to go to Mark's channel right now but I want to say it's not like his channel is arguing for a glober that's not like what his channel is about so I I feel a little bit more comfortable his channel really is you get to see big cats like Mark hanging out with full grown lions it is honestly it's like the Tiger King it's better though so I honestly seriously go click on Mark's link below and I'm dead serious I'm really picky about what channels thanks Nathan for showing that right now on Nathan's phone you were seeing what is Mark right next to a big cat that's the video that I think I was the video I was watching today and that I honestly struggled to like to stop watching I was like oh I I should go exercise and I was like but this is really interesting so Mark is basically teaching you like if you is it right to say Mark that would it be accurate that you were teaching people that if they had big cats like what is the proper teaching of big cats I should say more directly yeah what what basically started this is is Tammy my wife and I and myself we watch the Tiger King the cats that I have they're all trained for movie work so if you've seen a line or Tiger in a in a major motion picture a commercial anything like that they're probably mine or my colleagues and we've trained them to be like this so that they can be used in movies but then that Tiger King movie came out and there's some really bad information on there there there really is that is not what the industry looks like not at all and I just set out prove some of the stuff that he was showing I just find it to be really dangerous I really do so I just Mark I can't believe you're in the cage with these lions bro that is yeah I know so I just wanted to I wanted to do some information videos but this is what I do this this is my job I do it every single day and I do it many hours today yeah they're my kitty cats I knew you had balls when you stepped up to debate me Mark but I know you had balls this big bro yeah these are my babies it is I sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you guys it is exciting and just kind of almost tense I know that Mark you're probably used to it but when I see you walking around these lions and you had mentioned if you accidentally stepped on their tail unlike unlike a dog and you're you might be in trouble so just watching you and as the lion almost pushed you into the water I was like it was just intense it was it was dispensable so I think your channel is going to be off the hook yeah he's yeah the lion yeah they're triggers they're triggers are definitely a lot a lot easier to find accidentally than a dog and don't get me wrong you know everybody right away reach around and give you a little bite so you know you don't get a little bite from a lion or a tiger especially when they weigh five or six hundred pounds there everything's big for sure and ranger man 9404 thanks for your super chat that said how do you control a lion I can't control my bangle cat you can't control them that's you know go watch my videos and start at the very beginning it's it's all about just getting in with them and you know just getting that human animal contacting and get getting that trust going back and forth so that they know who you are what you're all about and they you just you build a trust you know and you know just so people do know I I do try to take a person or two on a year and you know teach them the the art of doing this and it really is an art there's very few people a lot of people have lines and tigers very few of them interact with them every day Mark can I take pictures of your lines if I'm driving through town where are you from I do a lot of traveling I'm in Virginia now but I'm from Southern California oh shit you'd be able to see me with a telescope that's how flat it is thanks a lot hey hey funny so thanks so much folks want to wish you a great night it's always fun we really appreciate you for spending time here folks and whether you be globe earth flat earth Christian atheist LGBTQ plus no matter what walk of life you're from we really do hope you feel welcome here and so with that and also we even if you're a critic hope you feel welcome here and so we we try to be like the mods will only wipe out hate speech or if you're harassing someone over and over other than me I'll take it all night but if somebody else will give you a warning we'll say hey can you loosen up and so that we appreciate you guys being here and so we'll I hate leaving I just I'm such a good mood it's always so fun but so thanks so much folks have a great night keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable and as I mentioned Nathan's and then also Mark and Tammie's channel both of those channels are down in the description for you folks so thanks so much have a great night and thanks again Nathan and Mark yeah thanks Nathan thanks Jay