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We want to make you the most interesting person at that cocktail party or water cooler when people can start hanging out again So wait a minute if you listen to Daily Tech news show and this week in science, you will dominate cocktail parties Absolutely, you will always have something intelligent and amazing to talk about people will be like what what are these things that you know? be amazing But we have we've come together for this episode. Yeah, my co-hosts here I've got my co-hosts here. Yes Justin right there. Where are you? Say hi Justin. Hi Justin I'm in Broadcasting from a central European time in the great state of Denmark That's fantastic. Thank you for joining us in the middle of your night Blair Hey, how's it going? That's good Blair is our animal zoologist host Justin is our opinionologist. I'm the doctor But we've come together with DTNS why why have we done this? well, there's there's an intersection of science and technology and I listen to this week in science and I think oh that's a Really interesting aspect of a story that that we did on DTNS or that could have been a story or or I'm just you know Hearing about the fact that when I scream out of joy. It means I have an evolutionary advantage So I learn a lot from twists and I thought man We do cross over from time to time So I wanted to I wanted to see if maybe we could we could bring those powers together for even better understanding The powers for understanding the world around us and Hopefully having a really good time bringing science and technology peanut butter and chocolate together, right? I mean we have crossed over I've gotten to be on DTNS Blair's been on DTNS Justin. You've been on DTNS. Yes. No yet No, see and Sarah has yet to be on twist So these are things that we still need to work out But Roger and Tom you've been on twist. Yeah. Yeah, we've done these individual crossovers So now we have the Hollywood Square's Brady bunch of science and technology We're getting there we're almost we've almost won bingo just a few just a few little Little checks left. Yeah Get there. All right, Tom Let's tell people where they can find us on our regular shows and that's dive in let's make this show Yeah, yeah, yeah, so We're gonna we're gonna talk about the intersection of technology and science. We're gonna do some philosophical musing Talk about some stories do some trivia But if you like what you hear and you want more technology you can find us at daily tech news show comm And you can find twist at twist org alright What are we starting with? We're gonna start with a question from Josh We got a bunch of emails both shows did Suggesting things to talk about we're gonna talk about a lot of them on the show But Josh in particular asked when did science and technology become two Separate things in the 80s. They used to be covered mostly together But in the last decade technology has mostly come to mean things coming from some of the big names in the game When did crisper become science while a real estate company like we work where tech work is done Become a tech company. Oh Well, I would argue that we work is not a tech company Working in the tech sector used we were because a co-working space I mean there are many but it was a very popular one around the world and you know Some of them are really fancy and everything But I mean there's nothing really tech about it except that a lot of people working in tech Would hang out there or drop the name or do a lot of travel and hang out at we works but I get your point Josh and It's funny because I do think science and technology are very intrinsically Entwined yes, exactly In fact, I mean I can almost think of there are not that many technology stories that I don't also think well That is science, you know, it's just a kind of science and there's Probably a little bit more vice versa than ever on the science side because there's so much technology involved It does sort of bother me though You know when you get a drop-down menu where you're trying to I don't know define yourself or your show or or or just pick a Category and it's like blah blah blah entertainment music science and technology It's always the two together and I sometimes want I want a little bit more detail on each because both of those things Can be many different things. It's there. There's such huge categories that I feel like we need a lot more subcategories to make It makes sense. I I think the shift notably happened like where you there was a Definite segmentation is when technology became a business concern as well be where we're making money and The the the economic aspect suddenly thrust what used to be collectively kind of the science tech You know biology life sciences they be grouped them all together was now its own thing because a lot more people cared about this particular aspect because it involved dollars and cents as opposed to science which is Very important for a lot of things But for the average news viewer it might have been considered an esoteric piece that you would read along with the sports pages But when it came to like things like where do I put my investment, you know, which company should I buy a You know ABC or D product from you know, that's a technology thing probably But you know, I would say somewhere and probably the latter half of the 90s Which you start to see that shift at least yeah And I think that's it companies like Google came out of computer science research projects They were it was it was science at a point Developing an algorithm. What is the what is this thing? How do we explain it and creating the knowledge around a search Algorithm that was the computer science aspect and then they took it rolled it out into a company And that is something that happens much more often nowadays where the research the science the development of that knowledge Then gets turned into application. How can we take the science of CRISPR this? aspect of microbial biology this thing that is just naturally happening in bacteria and turn it into a probably Multi-billion-dollar technology that's going to be used by researchers around the world for decades to come and probably turned into even new technologies It's so it's so interesting you say that because one of the upcoming fields is Biotech right what used to be life sciences biology research, you know, what my sister used to do which was microbiology is now becoming a business and so now you got a segmented out because again people want to know Where do I invest? Is this something that's gonna make or make me or make my company or perhaps make my You know city or state if the the government invests in it, you know a return And so I mean it's weird as soon as you put a dollar symbol on something is how you perceive it such shifts It's when it becomes a product right when as soon as there's a science delivers a product It gets separated out and because we're talking about like for maybe from the 80s, but cars was science technology I mean like every like radio was a TVs were these breakers, but they didn't keep talking about the science with behind how your TV works That stopped immediately after the thing was invented, and then they were like maybe one day science will invent colors You had to do that So I think we separate it's I think it's always separated I think it comes together for these brief moments when I when I saw I heard this question The first thing I thought about was when we invented the first stone tool Well, not us, you know, it was a homeless like three million years ago I remember and then and then and that may actually there's a whole thing there where like that might actually be why we're bipedal That might actually be why we got big brains is because we started messing with this tool and manipulating Wanting to set it down so you can't climb a tree if you got your favorite stone tool And then if you're if you're making stone tools, you need to use both the hands together So you're not gonna hold your weight with it So a lot of human evolution may have actually started with a piece of tech first, but then it was a million years So before we changed that stone tool and then that stone tool that big advanced stone tool stuck with us for two Million years before somebody thought of changing it. Could you imagine being the beta user for two million years? I mean over a million years is it really a beta test or is it just a slow evolution of a it's a Google beta test Yeah, it's a Google beta. Yeah, people talk about these these phones The handheld devices is being crafted to fit the human hand now Humans humans have been crafted around a handheld tool Since we started being upright like we've had a handheld tool in our hand Throughout all before human current modern human evolution Millions of years. Yeah, what do you got there Tom? Yeah, just one of my original stone tools that I was starting out We've been lugging those around for three million years So this is not this is not some strange new thing that happened where we're gonna pick up this device that we carry in our hands All the time we've always done this. This is always how humans have been on the planet. I Feel like when I think about this intersection, I think about Science being the story that we might have figured something out We've got evidence that something is happening where we tried something out in a lab And we think we can make it work and when we cover those on Daily Tech news show It's usually like and if they can make it work This is what you'll be able to do with it right technology is the application of like okay when like you were saying Justin It's a product when can I get it in my hands? What can I do something with it? And science is what makes technology possible. It's almost a subset really Well, yeah, science is that that one a Astralopithecus or whatever Throwing that's throwing an apple at a mastodon. That didn't work. Well, I mean hey, maybe a stick a small stick Yeah, that didn't do anything and then eventually got around to a stone that hit it and you know Like I'll give that had an effect let's concentrate on the rocks and see if we can find the right size that we can Both row and take out them or whatever it is right and then once that I think once the they was like, okay Now we're starting to we have what's gonna be a stone. We're gonna throw it. Here's how we're gonna throw it Here's the size and weight it should be oh, you know the perfecting of that is that's what I usually think of is technology once it takes off and becomes People are innovating on it and making it better and improve it making these little improvements stepwise to make the best Version a thing that you throw at something or whatever it is That's sort of my vision of techno with what technology is until science comes up with a whole other thing and then technology Impley because of the iteration of technology then science is able to do more so it's this feedback loop also Science creates technologies technologies enable science and they drive each other right because you make the science that makes the phone Possible and then the phone starts to be used in research, which then makes other things possible and rounded round it goes And and to carry Justin's metaphor even farther once everybody's got a hand axe suddenly it's still technology But nobody thinks of it that way. It's just common. All right. It's just a thing Nobody's impressed that you have an actual in yeah, that's a million years ago because it's been around for a million years They're gonna be around for another million humans by the way did massively Innovate the smaller versions of the tools. We are the ones who were like, hey, that's a great idea. Let's make it smaller That's when we took over stone tool making In my little female pockets, but we just made them all smaller smaller so we could do more delicate work I like that. Yeah, it doesn't fit to make my pocket What one I want when I can put on my wrist and carry around with me and then go do some scraping of tendons later We've been absolutely no change in our desire as humans I I do wonder about though like the way that science feeds into technology and technology feeding into science. Is there ever, you know, we we run into issues every once in a while with the challenges to how How technology is implemented how people use it we run into Issues where the science isn't moving fast enough to be able to keep up with the pace of the information that people want and then there's also the ethics around how you how you do the science and also The technology we're talking about so many ethical issues in technology stuff today So there's it's not just happy happy joy joy I think there's also a lot of challenges in how the two work together moving forward as well Yeah, and I think that is one of the things technology looks for more often maybe than in the past is Help us understand the effect of this technology because it's having effects faster and at a wider level than it used to and and especially the the social sciences and Economic sciences are being pushed more than ever before to look at the effects that technology has And if I can just if I can say something about the premise of this question for a second I think that this kind of speaks to the human's urge to categorize things which I Talk about a lot, but ultimately that's what this is about right is that we better understand things when we can See what things are similar categorize them put them into nice little boxes, but they don't always fit and so When science and technology have expanded so much over the last however many decades because of the improvement of All of it mostly technology that helps us get science right that then helps us get more technology that back and forth that The the breadth of knowledge available out there has caused us to have to find these delineations to better understand the world Which again, they're never going to be perfect There's a there's a story that I might call a science story and you might call a tech story and there's going to be overlapped And that's something that on Daily Tech news show we talk about all the time You know, there are stories where we're like, this is such a cool story But is it tech enough for this show particular show? And of course it depends on the day, you know There's certain days where it's like yeah, it fits it kind of flows with the other stuff that we're talking about other days we go it's science, but it's not totally tech and that is Often a really gray area And we have a portion of the show that we sort of dedicate to stories like that where it's like It's it's more science than tech, but it's cool and we're gonna do it and and that's great But but yeah, it's a it's a it's a question that does come up pretty often Yeah, I'm thinking though that this Will kind of Josh's question in our conversation here can kind of take us into The next segment of the game of the game of the show. This is game show Revealed the truth. This show is just one big game one big game. It is yes I Have a game that I want to play with everybody. Have you ever heard of the game? Never have I ever? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay I'm gonna change it a little bit and we're gonna play never would I ever and I want you to think about some of these Questions that this the driving force of technology and science are making possible and bringing into its seems like sci-fi But it's not so much sci-fi. It's becoming real and some of the questions that The listeners address to us in their suggestions kind of bring up They there were a lot of overlaps between a lot of questions and a lot of suggestions and so Here's questions for you. I want you to tell the audience Whether or not you would do this thing and then if we get into the why or the why not and maybe we can change each other's minds Maybe just maybe I want to hear people's arguments. Let's debate would you there's a story out this week on a Monkey human chimera embryos that have been created would you ever Create a monkey human chimera. Would you mix human and monkey cells? Maybe yeah one level I just to prove that I could do it Like hey look what I did But I mean kimires generally don't live very long. So I mean it if you're asking me attitude They don't well. No, I will not if you don't help them I mean if you're if you're asking you if I create a human monkey Hybrid creature like one that's birthed and like you know alive I would be different than just Dealing with the cells for example if I was doing some sort of gene sequencing and then I decided to oh Let me see what some Reese Reese monkey genes over here might do I Mean for me. I think I think I'm okay with that It's then taking it beyond that like where you want to create An organism that you know is in the homeostasis and and the rest of it and it's alive and it's doing all its things That's a little more creepy. I think You first I think that usually when we do cut when we talk about chimeras you picture this crazy Sci-fi thing, but really it's like but what if you had the lungs of a monkey? Which Fine, I mean we put we put pig arteries in our body all the time, right so To a certain extent if this is gonna help the medical field it doesn't really bother me at all I mean, I mean they have glow in the dark fish. I mean, it's not like they were Naturally found of the wild that way. Oh, but you don't know. I think some of them are right. That's how They biogen like aquarium in the deep blue. See okay So Blair this actually this is actually the question that I was going to ask what you were just describing because in the nature.com article that was describing, you know, they had the research advancement that had happened and the fact that You know, we've got these chimera embryos that are living not for very long But longer than they had in the past and the fact that scientists are a little split on whether or not this is a good idea And and and where it's really going my my question was okay well, if it's about being able to Create organs that could be transplanted into humans to help a human survive or even an animal really But let's go with humans for now. Great. Well, why would a hybrid be better than just me having a monkey lung from a monkey Embryo, you know, what's yeah, what why does that get stronger? Well, the idea is that if you have a hybrid for example, I mean, I remember there. Yeah 15 years ago. They were kicking around the idea of doing pig human Amir is because then the pig could grow whatever your liver and they are doing that too The idea of course is when you do an animal to human transplant, there's always a high risk of Organ rejection your body because it's like dude. You're trying to attach something to me that doesn't belong Oh, so so more of the human cells in there means possibly more that it well, you yeah, you could grow a lung that is Possibly You know an orders of magnitude more compatible with the person than if you just tried to take it out of a Run of the okay. Okay, then my question is flipped. Where where does the animal make this stronger? Well, I got that I got that because if you don't have the animal there at all Then you've got a human you're taking the organ from and that's Yeah, right there there may be deceased Farm of other humans and we were in a whole different side fire. Got it. Yes. I think I've seen a few movies Never ended well Tom, do you have an opinion? I mean that would I know because they I probably just wouldn't take I'm just not very good at that What would I want someone else to do it? May I go I go with the maybe of I think this is important for research But it's certainly a situation that has to have a lot of guidelines and Discussion and people looking over each other's shoulder accountability and all that sort of thing But yeah, I don't think it's I don't think it's something that is is wrong to pursue at all Yeah, I agree. I think this research is fantastic. I would if I could Chimera I would be that scientist I'd be like put these things together and I want to know I want to know answers to evolutionary questions about human brains and where they came from what genes in the Ape family are responsible that changed or didn't change what RNA is responsible what proteins like I would I would want to know those evolutionary questions and so I think from a research standpoint, it's fantastic from a Potential to create organs the pig human chimeras that stuff It's so valuable and I I look forward to the day that it happens No, we get the planet of the apes and then you'll be sorry I think this is actually comes a little bit to the question we were asked before About the ethics at some point it seems like science gets to start this The technology of actually doing this reliably is so far into the future We think that we don't have to really worry or think too much about the ethical So if that all falls on tech at some point and science is like, oh, yeah, we're just an idea when we had We weren't actually going to do anything Facebook's new winged monkeys. I'm not so cool with that. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know I honestly think every science and tech person should take ethics courses before they're allowed to get into business of anything You need to pass those courses you just can't take it and drop it two weeks No Next question would you or wouldn't you inject yourself with nanoparticles? Only if they've been thoroughly vetted on someone else Yeah, because we got Dan and Javon both asked about this the the idea of Injecting nanoparticles in our body and to me it's no different than then Injecting any other particle in our body Which is has it been tested? Has it been thoroughly vetted? Am I doing it for a good reason? You know, is it gonna is it gonna cure my cancer? And it's been clinically tried to be relatively safe then sure is is it like I don't know what it'll do We haven't tried it before no, then you're not injecting those nanoparticles in me not at all Yeah, I think loyal twist listeners will know that I plan on living over 200 years And this is exactly how is as soon as medical advances exist and have been through clinical trials I want it. I want it immediately Give me the nanoparticles. What do you want them to do though? Life that do you just want to take space take up space or like turn you into a tree. They're very small Yeah, I mean if you want to be a long-lived organism, you either jellyfish or sequoia What kind of nanoparticles would you like? Is it just microplastics like I don't need any more of those But if it's like yeah, if it's gonna go to my bloodstream. Yeah Maybe I'm on Blair's side if it's gonna fix stuff Yeah, but if this is gonna go up into connected somewhere into my dendrites and now I can Understand any language and I now know what the squirrels are talking about That might be fun. I might be Interested in seeing what every what everything is talking about around me Yeah, there's a sci-fi story and I'm blanking on the name of the author right now But there are nanoparticles that you ingest and they incorporate into your brain to create something of a neural net That allows you to connect to the internet with your brain so that you can then Be one with the information of the universe Livestream all the time I'm just I'm just worried about connectivity like it's nice. It's good. Uh, you know, it's always gonna go out It's gonna freeze. I'm gonna be waiting for an answer for like 20 minutes because the network can you imagine you're like We're gonna kill a trivia tonight. You're like, ah crap. I'm offline I got no connection here Consciousness is bow guarding on my bandwidth. There's a stream of consciousness is buffering And you get so used to the constant connection that you can't do anything without a connection So as soon as you go online, you're like, how how do I how do I boil water again? remember Memory I Don't know. Yeah, but there needs to be definitely that continued research Clinical trials don't just inject nanoparticles although. I know there are some DIY bio people out there who will just inject nanoparticles and and other things because that's what they're doing Yeah, we will I think the whole thing is what is the function? What is the thing that you want it to do? If are we talking about this versus getting chemotherapy and this versus getting a surgery are we talking about this is a Cosmetic appeal or a you know, I need enough of a reason to do anything But I mean people will radiate their bodies with poison To fight cancer. Yeah, okay, so we know there's a point there. Yes We all would probably say that's fine. That's a good solution to whatever I'm up against but just casually Probably now probably yeah Take a shot nanoparticle shot. All right next question. Would you clone a Mammoth? Yes. Yes, that's It's everyone but Blair set up question wasn't it was for those of you Me I promise I didn't sneak this one in Thank You Jeremy Fath for that donation really appreciate that So long-time twist listeners will know that we have an ongoing debate on Twists about whether or not mammoths should be cloned and reanimated. So here's the question Would you ever clone an endangered species that's still alive? i.e. the red-footed ferret that was that it was recently Cloned for conservation purposes. Would you ever? clone Something like a mammoth which has been long dead, but bring it back Would you ever? clone a person Which one of those any of them so like we do we have to so we have to answer So for endangered species Yes, although I did there are concerns of low genetic diversity Like you know if you have a you were quick on the yes to the mammoth, I noticed I was gonna go on the mammoth is a very special case for me Because as far as I understand mammoth's been it for two reasons one because of Of the the end of the isage two because of people Overhunting them So if there was a way to bring back something that we kind of knocked off the planet because we got you know We got super excited about you know hunting elephants That's kind of cool humans. I don't know I mean that would actually have to be up to the person you're trying to clone if they wanted that or not Like if it was me If it was me, I don't know. I don't think the world needs another me But if it was someone else and like they lost a sibling or something, but you had Enough enough of their cells to to to clone them. I mean, I think maybe that decision should be left up to them I don't know what hogan did in the chat room Uh, uh bringing back neanderthal. I didn't think of it as bringing back a currently alive person But like a lot like a distant cousin of the neanderthal or Denise Simmons Well, that would be similar to cloning a mammoth. That would be that kind of a question recently But what about a living person? Would you clone? a living person I mean, it gets weird, right? Because okay, let's say, you know rogers alive and well and we clone roger Well, then it's a roger baby. So it's not like we just have two rogers. They're like carbon copies of each other It's like it it the whole thing would take a long time to if for some reason you wanted a replica Yeah, you know there you got you got 40 years. We got to deal with here Sorry, there's all the external stimulus right that create a person. It's not just the gene set I've thought about that in regards to cloning pets Yeah, where I thought like oh, you know my I loved our dog Django. She was the best. She's been mentioned on twist before uh, and I I I thought I thought about would I clone that dog and I'm like no because it wouldn't be Django It would be a dog very much like her in many respects But it wouldn't have her experiences and and and even with a dog there are experiences that shape their personalities Uh much more so with a human I would think Yeah, I think um animals humans there are genetic aspects to personality But there is definitely I mean we talk about it all the time Blair Nature versus nurture where it that environmental factor is huge Yeah, yeah it's I mean if you want to take like the very The very far out non-emotional look if you're looking just at populations and conservation and the success of species You don't clone humans because there's too many of us so that's out the window But then if you're going to take the resources to clone a species and it's resources, I mean, you know money and and manpower, but I also mean the the niche the space the The space to keep them the food they will be eating and the fact that they have to be eaten by something if you want to take that space And put something in it it makes way more sense to put something in that space that currently has an established niche Rather than something that does not and so I think that's that's where the whole mammoth argument always comes up and uh The the situation like the black footed fair they are currently there's only about 250 of them But they currently are in the wild. They have a habitat. They have a prey. They have competitors and so it would be very easy and Good for the environment to put them back in there But with mammoths you have to disrupt a lot of things to make a space for them in an ecosystem Yeah, you Yeah, but that also might then might build out its own biome I mean like we talked about uh with reintroducing the beaver or the the gray wolf It creates this whole other ecosystem around it that can actually build the more diverse bio Biodiversity in the area, but that's something that was just gone and this is something that is going to displace 10,000 years Yes, but those mammoths will displace species that currently are alive and potentially push them to extinction We're already doing any extinct any cloned extinct species is essentially an invasive species, isn't it? Yeah Well, so is actually technically if you start to look at it Everything's about to be an invasive species. It was global warming. This is every creature has to change Its territories at different rates. They're all gonna move together. It's not gonna be like ready Uh one degree kind of three one two. All right, let's move They're gonna go but we didn't everything's gonna overlap. It's gonna make but we didn't directly We may have caused that to happen, but we didn't do it directly Right like actually putting an animal into a place. Don't make a right Justin That's all oh no, but it's some at some point that I'm saying that some point there's the the rules don't really apply What's nature? What's the natural state of any region or area or how it's been for the last You know 20,000 years doesn't isn't gonna count in 100 years. I just want my senozoic park You know, you can't have Jurassic Park, but you could probably you could see senozoic Yeah, you could you could have like a a couple a couple of mammoths no mastodons Maybe some cyber-tooth cats. Maybe a woolly rhino. Maybe three That's a giant sloth. I'd love one of those giant ground sloths. I love that How would you know if they were alive? They could be very mean And then that doesn't mean I don't love them Blair only doesn't love animals if they attack her or if they don't want to exist. So fair I I think this is a fascinating conversation because I mean 20 years ago before dolly before the first cloned animal the first cloned sheep This was such a sci-fi conversation And I don't think that science and tech and that people were having the conversation at the level that we're having We're pretty high level folks, but you know People weren't having this kind of a conversation about cloning. It was oh my god Upsetting the universe and suddenly we're like talking nuance about when and where and how We cloned those ferrets. So I guess that's okay. What else should we do? Yeah Yeah All right, my last question is very techy Would you get a neural prosthetic? Would you get elan musks chip in your head? Would you get um? So so this is the prosthetic that can interpret Like your elect the your brain signals your nerve signals, right? Right Yeah, um, well, I mean I think if you Could regain functionality that you had lost with a hand or a leg or an eye Or an ear I would think yes, I absolutely would Anyone else? I mean it depends like if it's safe and there's no weird like Downside like someone being able to control your motor functions Your arm is no longer your arm. Yeah, like that would be kind of weird like I've been I definitely need multi-factor authentication. Yes But if I mean if even if you weren't weren't like replacing a Something that was you know, that like a lost limb or something and it could give you the ability to like remotely drive your car Maybe that'd be kind of cool. I mean like, you know Like that's what gets less obvious to me is like, okay Where should the line be drawn or should there be one? Should you be allowed to control anything with your brain that we can let you control? I mean the argument of course being how is that any different than you using a smartphone in your hand? Doing the same commands to to to remotely activate your automobile or or your bank account It's just a little man of an appendage and and then the bike Mm-hmm Yeah, I mean you could argue that the phone Sorry, go ahead. No. Yeah, it's just I was yeah, it was just reiterating what he was saying too a lot of the Sexiness of that is kind of gone when you can just do a voice command Out loud and make a thing happen Yeah, I mean you could almost think of if you're holding a smartphone and you're doing something remotely It's an extension of your arm because what if it was just under your skin? You know, I mean, it's clearly it isn't but you could sort of think of it that way. I'm all for this Um, I had a had a bum shoulder At the end of last year and it's better now But it took a while and you know during that time when I was feeling sorry for myself I was like, what if it just never gets better, you know, because you don't know if it's you know when you're really in a lot of pain and you're and you're injured and Anything that anyone could have you could have knocked on my door in a weird suit and been like would you? Would you like a neural prosthetic? Your shoulder will be healed. I'd say yep. I do Feels like we're a little bit in the writer's room You know like from 20 30 50 years ago. We're sitting in the writer's room I think we should be able to control like screens by moving a hand Now I think it'd be better if we said a word because people just gonna think we're waving like a mad person Yeah, but then we're talking to ourselves. That's gonna look crazy. We know it'd be even better What if we had a little plug that just you jack, you know We're kind of trying to create the way that we live in this mythical supernatural feature but Well because because I I actually would prefer to be able to just think something out of out of voice assistant than say it Uh, because sometimes it doesn't really understand me Which I guess could be true of reading my brain as well But especially when I'm out and about on a walk I don't want to have to say it in front of other people that are around You know walking around too. It's it would be nicer if I could just keep it to myself But that doesn't make good tv, right? It's like oh, we can't just have people walking around silently But that also means you have you don't have the chaos Of inter conversations that are taking place here Where for no reason I only for half a second thought about a snack It didn't mean to open the fridge now It's closed again But now the cupboard's open and now the tv's on because remember that show and then we talked something about radio And it turned on all of a sudden I didn't mean to do that And I can't shut it off your hand doesn't wildly fly up every time you think about throwing a ball, right? There's different ways Actually, the worst is is kind of like implant to implant communication where you're just like I'm talking to sarah But instead of using an I am client or anything. I'm just using you know You have that like like deviation of a the inner monologue that somehow just bleeds through and you know suddenly sarah's You know learning why I hate the you know the the checkout or much or much much more personal Yeah, no, I mean boy if uh if your brain is being shared with me. It's like Really specific about which folder? Which are we sharing sarah some people some people already lack the filter right in a conversation I'm sure my computer with people. I am not sharing my brain with people Permissions are very important when sharing your brain I wanted to throw in this too because john uh who who suggested this topic was talking about star trek voyager and biological processors It's one thing to say would you like your brain to control something? Would you like? Brains that are processors to be in your devices Like like biological. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like a biological processor. I mean, it's very interesting. I mold phone. Yes. Yeah So they've they've been creating with the basically biological computers like dna Based dna computing's a thing. Yep. And one of the things they found is a great apparel task But they're really slow right compared to a digital computer So instead of counting things out in milliseconds or nanoseconds you're talking minutes hours days months But they're really good at parallel Processing stuff. So it's really just finding a data set that is most Applicable to that kind of processing power. I think it would be great I mean, you know, I you know the whole going back to voyager There's that whole episode where the gel pack neural packs get a cold or like a flu or something They're all sick and the the half the ships down Um, I mean, do you I mean when you have that you have to worry about things like oh, I got a vaccinate Like when you're talking about any virus and vaccinating your computer. Yeah, you know, you're actually Injecting something into it's kind of cool. I mean You know the idea being that the human brain or a biological brain can do feats that we haven't yet been able to replicate uh using a binary digital machine, but Right that would be kind of cool I think my only question would be would they be robust? Like would you be able to have something portable? I dropped my phone on the floor and as long as I have a screen protector still works Like would my computer if I had a biological computer suddenly have a concussion? And then maybe yeah, I mean We have good meat suits to carry our processor around, you know, like but they do get concussions Sometimes lets us down I mean when you take your meat suit and throw it off a cliff you're bound to potentially have some issues I mean you got to be careful. Yeah. I mean, it's just a material, right? It's it's easy to think like oh, it's dna It's gonna have it's gonna be fragile. It's like it's everything technology can be fragile You just you have to you have to harden it. You have to figure out how to protect it Uh, you don't want your DNA DNA to get a literal virus I love the idea though of being able to communicate with other biological entities through information. So um, there's a group backyard backyard brains that's been developing these experimental kits for classrooms and for kids to be able to Basically plug your nervous system into all sorts of things and control devices And they showed that you can you can use your arm and your electric signals of your of your arm to stimulate mimosa plants to close their leaves or Venus flytramp fly traps to close and to you can you can actually use human physical electrochemical stimuli and transmit it to a plant to force them to do things So is there a back? The the feedback from that can we learn the signals that plants are giving their electrochemical conversations To be able to understand what they're talking about we talk about communication in dolphins or gorillas or other intelligent animals But what about communication in plants and can we learn that on a basic data level? Which I think would be really interesting grow the tomatoes round I mean it would be kind of interesting I mean it would be sort of like aquaman except instead of talking to the fishes You're just talking to your crops talking to your crops. Oh, are you fighting off pests? Oh, are you fine? All right, we have one more listener suggested topic. Kiki should we get on to that? Yeah, let's do it Okay, so sandy uh had had written in about nfts and blockchain and power consumption um And I would like us to talk about that From the perspective of responsible science communication responsible technology reporting I've held off reporting a lot of the claims of blockchain energy use because it was a lot of claims And sometimes not always but sometimes even some false comparisons But we don't have a lot of science. There's a little bit But we don't have a lot about what's actually happening what the actual impacts are Recently, there was a peer reviewed journal article in nature communications that we talked about on dtns That actually did some looking at like, okay, how much power does this use? What effect does it have? I'd like to see more of that work done on it And I thought we could all talk about our various lines Of where we say like, oh wait, that's that's not worth talking about because that's not real science or tech That one's close enough that we could talk about it a little or that's that's solid That's something that we can really we can really dig into and we won't be misleading people because it's it's got real You know either real technology or real science behind it Yeah, so for the nfts. I mean generally I'm steering clear of those on twist, but we have talked about the blockchain and the energy consumption um We have had those stories many times because it's been a concern for a while as to how much how much energy is being used But there is that that question of how does it compare? Like where does it really truly stack up? And I think this is one of the hardest questions to really parse an answer for Being able to understand how any industry impacts at all of its levels Environmentally what energy uses where does the energy come from? How is it how is it being implemented? um I mean, I think with technology we do know like google servers facebook servers all these things you use so much energy and then You know my my computer right now is yeah, and the and the screen that i'm using Every house is using more and more power as a result of these these technologies being online Well, that's that we're using less individually Yeah, yeah, because we have more power efficient devices right the refrigerator I was talking about this like I think it's the refrigerator And your house lights if you've done the switch over to the leds are just some more modern efficient light bulbs Uh, you're using less electricity than Then you were without them right you're using like less than how like One of the most expensive appliances in the household used to be the refrigerator and now it runs like a what a 30 40 watt light bulb It's almost nothing compared to what it used to be. So we're the more efficient. We get the more we keep pushing for Solar to also be part of the the equation The less we're actually going to need to be generating per individual the other side Of course, there's a lot more of us and we have a lot of the world that's Yeah, he's locked the server farms these server farms very often are being placed in places where renewable sustainable energy Is is dominant So, I mean, I know google and facebook have server farms that are out in the dals Out out the columbia river because there's amazing water and wind power out there and they're taking advantage of that free energy almost free energy To be able to power Their needs and then we know that this is happening also in in china and other places for the blockchain servers Yeah, there's a microsoft is doing data servers Uh off the coast of scotland that are wave powered and even water cooled Um, the you know, there's a lot of good experiments happening there So so it's when I see this thing that's like, you know, black blockchain uses as much power as denmark I'm like, well, I bet you could say that about a lot of things. There's a little cherry picking going on totally Uh, you know and and so I like tell me something more useful It's not that I don't believe that the blockchain is using a lot of energy I I know it is but how much Really and and one of the pieces of research that i'm hoping someone's doing and I can't wait to see is What is the financial industry Not on the blockchain do right because there's a lot of servers and there's a lot of a lot of buildings and telecommunications and people in offices Uh that are causing transfers of money right now It takes three days on this this really ancient network To get money around how much power does that whole system use? Versus if we did it all on the blockchain and and if it turns out that the blockchain's worse then okay That's good to know. It's like, all right, then we're not even power there I you know, and so some of it is the argument isn't directly a little tangentially related to the blockchain But it's like when you're mining cryptocurrency You know the the argument goes and I'm not arguing one way or against it But like you are processing or you you're you're literally processing In the argument for nothing You're just you're creating a token, especially if it's not A mate like a well known like a bitcoin or something like it's like a new cryptocurrency So the argument is that like should we be doing that at all and oftentimes the argument kind of I Kind of what we've done here is we've devolved it into a simple You know like it's using a lot of energy or it's not and it should be more about Are there smarter ways to go about doing this? Instead of having what we have right now like server farms, you know to crunch away every every time you you make an adjustment the The blockchain ledger needs to be updated if it needs to be updated in multiple places then all those places are going to require Roger, I think I think where you're going to this is there's there's different ways of doing Blockchain mining there's proof of work and proof of stake and a lot of people say Well proof of work uses a lot more energy than proof of stake. So proof of stake is preferable And that's a that's a part of the conversation, too Is there is there a more power efficient way to To process these things and I think that is also an important conversation Uh, is your blog we've hit on a bunch of them. Is your blockchain running on renewable power? Well, then the amount of energy it's using isn't as much of a concern as it is if it's on polluting power Is your blockchain doing proof of work or proof of stake one's going to use less power? Okay, so that's good, too You're right. It's not a simple answer And and there are a lot of different ways to approach the problem Sarah, do you remember we did green energy that show years ago talking about green tech today green tech today? Yes I mean, do you see there being a change in the conversation around technology and power? And do you think there's been in the last 10 years? any kind of evolution there well, I mean when you talk about power as uh, okay, so when you say something like ooh green tech, it's like, um, You know saving the earth sustainability, you know, lots of buzzwords and some people kind of go Eh, I don't really care about that. Well, you care about it if it costs you less Um, and and and I think that's where it's a lot of people have gotten hooked to okay alternative energy or new energy that Can either create wealth or or um back away from The cost of things that we've all gotten used to everybody loves that and I think that the kind of You know, I don't want to call it hippie-dippy because I think green technology is really important but but the but the The the connotations that some people have about the the future of of energy and being able to Harvest it more responsibly and more intelligently I think a lot of people have come around to that whereas in the past it was um, maybe Thought of is a lot more fringe Yeah Yeah, I really hope that moving forward, especially where we are with climate change carbon carbon emissions and the Increasing global temperature and everything that's happening. I hope that technologists who are applying the sciences to these two Blockchain to anything really like even the phone in your hands. Where are you sourcing your materials? Can you cradle to grave All of the resources that are needed to create the thing that you're creating can you take account For all of the all of the resources and assets that are needed. I mean, yeah It needs to be part of that at consideration, right? Yeah, that's absolutely the The biggest piece in this question that I think is not being asked is when you talk about environmental impact This is one piece. This is just one very small piece of your environmental impact So sure you can say that bitcoin is terrible for the environment because it takes a bunch of energy But there are other things out there that have other impacts on our environment that aren't as well quantified or modified and I think that is really the the the problem is that we need to find a way to assess the the monetary impact on our environment more completely and That's where first of all not all energy is created equal. But then did you Cut down a forest to build this warehouse that you have these servers in what what is the Whole complete comprehensive environmental impact of that thing that you're asking about And that's why I I'm really wanting somebody to compare that Like current banking industry to running the industry on a blockchain Because what I don't want to happen is now blockchain bad Shut it down and then we end up using more power and wasting more power Because we're using this old fashioned version that we're all used to so we just grandfathered it in when it's like Well as bad as it was it may have used less power than that I don't I'm not and I'm not saying that is true. We may look at it and go. Oh, no blockchain bad You were right, right, but let's find out This is very much like the healthcare debate. How are you going to pay for it? Okay, well, the first thing is you have this whole insurance industry in the middle Taking profit. Oh, so you're gonna put people out of work. Wait a second I thought we were talking about the cost It'll it'll shift quick, right? I mean you try to attack banking in any way I mean part of it is there's so many it comes in so many directions, right? It's it's it's the resources you use. It's the uh, it's the mon- what voters say It's the monetary impact of of Certain businesses that do and do not I mean the thing is There's going to be winners and losers and everything But the goal is to make it so that there are more winners and losers in any kind of you know, strategy that you work out And it's it's I mean, that's how it goes for everything Like when they when we moved away from horses to internal combustion engines There are sure a lot of people had stables that suddenly look I have no more customers No one's bringing in their horse for me to feed and take care of it till they take it out again Yeah, I can't say any of my buggy whips anymore I'm a little concerned though about like the worrying about making finding out what the economic impact of any of this It What if it because what if it comes out the other way? What if the math comes out? You know, actually Actually, the math actually works out. We're all going to have a really good short term economic boost if we all stick with horses Or whatever it is or if we care about all the trees in the amazon We're gonna have a net profit to the plant that have overcome a term Short-term profit. Well, I mean I mean that's that might not like the answer There are answers, but there are also interpretations of an answer one answer you could give Would be like For for people who are making money logging the force. Yeah, let me just raise the entire amazon. I'm gonna make mint But for people whose welfare derives from the amazon being a standing forest No, that it that impacts them adversely If you talk about the cities are next to that now I have to deal with a bunch of smoke and haze Every day because they're an overstanding Forest, I mean like like I said, there's gonna be winners and losers and the goal is that So who's doing the survey? Who's doing the accounting? Who's saying that for the greater good of the rest of the planet? I'm sorry brazil I'm sorry interior Listen, they're just giving the good awards to costa rica. They're like costa rica. You're doing amazing We love you. I realize I realized that your straw men are very afraid of this question But I'd actually really like to know what the question that the answer is before I assume what the negative problems would be Yeah We are gonna move away from energy the environment nft's who even needs those things anyway, whatever that's just money laundering, but We have Questions to ask each other We have some trivia. Hmm. Yes A little trivia. Is everybody is anybody ready for a little friendly competition? Yeah, do we want to encourage our chat rooms to help or do we want them to be quiet? I want the chat rooms to instant message me with all of the correct answers Well, then I should have redone my questions. I'm just going to second what Justin says Just assume I'm doing a call a call home for help every question. Yes All right, but we have we're gonna alternate Science and tech science and tech. I've got questions that Blair helped me put together Justin and Roger has questions that he and the dTNS news team put together So are you ready to rumble? Indeed indeed and really really the answers to these questions Will be of interest to everyone and you'll learn something. So really everybody's gonna win Everybody Let let these let the twiz guys just give him a few seconds to suss out before you give him the answer chat room I I am very very fearful of the tech questions. I'm so scared Yes Red black yellow It's the washington nickname. That's right. Okay. I have my first question What organ has been adapted by green tree frogs to help them hear In the noisy tropical jungle environment Is it a their skin b the tongue c the lungs d the stomach Which organ has been adapted by green tree frogs to help them hear I can picture the storm. I mean I have a gas stomach Longer skin, sarah, which is your guess? I'm just gonna say skin skin for me Daily tech news show has unanimously said I didn't know it was supposed to be multiple choice that that's Justin, I hope you know this. I know blare knows it All of the questions are from stories on the show I remember you talking about this story and I'm told I remember where I was I was folding my laundry when you did the story and I can't remember what the answer is But the problem was the picture that we put up Didn't go with the story so there's big bubble I don't know if that's the thing that was actually they showed the throat expanding Yes, they were doing gopher in jeal breathing in the picture, but that had nothing to do with it No, so I put c I went stuck with lung, but I don't think it's right The answer is C the lungs The inflation of the lungs changes the way that the ears that the tympanum of the ears of the frog vibrate and so it Makes it Easier for them here to hear the calls of their loved ones over the noise of the jungle It's tightly tuned when they inhale it tunes the nature's timpanies I hear you All right, roger. You're right. So mine is in a multiple multiple choice answer I did all I did all multiple choice for you guys. All right This should be pretty simple. He is popularly known as the father of the worldwide web You talking about al gore Hey al gore No, I know who the guy is Or is it the guy who owns the dump trucks? No He made not a nickel off of it Tom can give you multiple choice. Okay, I'm gonna say oh go ahead. What is it tim burners Lee You got it right Yeah, so kikis are our team captain I was like tim burners lee vint surf i've met vint surf wasn't vint surf tim i was gonna throw vint surf bill gates And al gore it as multiple choice options. Yeah, there we go. You didn't need them. You didn't need them Oh, I got it. I got it. I got it. Okay. We'll get to the next one. Okay next question Which of the following is not known to be represented by the mathematical astronomy of the ancient greek antikythera mechanism A lunar eclipses b movement of neptune c the olympiad cycle d years and seasons Well, that would be the movement of neptune You're right Yeah, because they didn't know about neptune back in the day of the antikythera Good job five planets five planets though mercury venus Earth mars mars and jupiter and jupiter. Yeah, yeah And the sun and the moon and other stars like they it was very complicated But yeah, you got it, right? Good job No neptune. Okay Hey, this should hey got all bees. I got I see all those bees in there in that chat room. Good job team This one isn't too soturk This electronic instrument is played without physical contact often used when music and sound effects are needed for an eerie situation Oh, yeah, that's my favorite theremin. Oh, you got I want to buy like theremins. These are fun. Oh my gosh. Okay The mRNA based vaccines used by Pfizer and moderna work by a altering your dna b infecting you with dead virus c using your cellular machinery d entering the cell nucleus see That is correct Hey All of the others are myths that have been perpetuated by people who don't like vaccines The mRNA based vaccines by Pfizer and moderna Just stimulate your body to make antibodies. Yeah to make your immune system to go Oh, it doesn't want to be stimulated in this case. Do shoot the messenger rna into your shoulder I like your joke Here's another here's here's another softball another name for expressing data size in the base two numeral system Oh, no Say what? Yeah, say it again I don't think saying it again will help there to be honest with you We can say it again. We can say it's slower louder. Is that binary? Oh, yeah, you got it. Oh Somebody I win I win I win okay I thought wait, I thought it was I thought it was other than binary. Oh, see I never thought it No, he said in the base two not except for yeah, yeah Oh my goodness my brain worked that was really good. Yay. Yeah, good job. Whoo. Whoo. Okay, uh, the largest single creature on earth is A an aspen growth B a slime mold C a blue whale D a fungus a I think it's a fungus I think it's I'm with I think it's the aspen grove. It's the one where it's if it's not the fungus. It's the aspen grove It's a fungus It's a honey mushroom in the mallor forest in uh eastern central oregon Yeah, and it is the largest single organism because of the mycelium that's connected all underneath the ground However, it is only like barely more like the aspen grove is the close second It's uh, it's the source of all the honey mushroom sauce Ah, I'm sorry. I lost it for everyone. Now what? And the honey badgers All right. I already have one too. I got that one. Here's a sciency one for you Okay, what theory of physics must clocks aboard the gps satellite Satellites compensate for to maintain accuracy I don't see my co-host saying so I'm gonna say general relativity. Yeah, you got it Extra points for general So, uh, uh, some some small tidbits of information Yeah Orbiting because of the g because gps satellites orbit The earth and above the earth They actually go their their clocks tick a little faster by 45 microseconds a day So if they're not adjusted, they'll be off by 38 Microseconds every day and it's very important because those microseconds can mean yards and if you let it drift any longer miles away from your actual point Then that's not good for gps. No No, because yeah, but you can you can actually see in the in the global information system databases Some very old plotting that was done Compared to where things are now and you can have that exact sort of scenario take place where you have people have plotted streams And and now they're yards their yards off of where they had initially plotted them The curse of time dilation in our twitch chat people are saying it's not fair She's a doctor. She cheated by studying her whole life and being smart Oh Studying what does it what good does that do anybody? All right, y'all what happens when a sea slug's head is cut off The head grows a body The head and body die The body buds baby slugs the body grows ahead I would say the body grows ahead. What do you guys think? I thought I remember this story and the the the real answer is all of the clickbaity headlines get it wrong That's true. Maybe actually if it comes from the head, maybe the head grows another body I think that's right. That makes more sense. I will I will defer to these two All right, the head grows a body Maybe just had to talk through it Yeah, exactly Which is kind of crazy because it's a pretty complex organism and it doesn't just regrow it like it regrows its heart It regrows. Yeah, right? Finds its soul If you cut off a sea slug's head, where does it's soul go? Well, the best part is they didn't cut it off or the the scientists didn't cut it off the sea slugs severed it off All right, that's right. They cut off their own heads. It was a personal choice. What are they? It was a lifestyle choice. Yes. Wait, is that how they reproduce? They just cut the heads off No, actually they reproduce by stabbing each other in the face with their uh, phallus actually, so They don't use their eye stalks in any sort of reproductive manner. No In 1952 Grace Hopper developed this important concept in computer programming That led to the creation of the modern program, uh, the modern computer programming language Oh, what did oh my gosh I don't know I don't know this one at all Grace Hopper programming I'll go with the the c punch cards Is it the Pass count, what was the all right? I'll I'll I'll get I've got multiple choices for you It sounds like a type of candy you would eat. Oh, no, how long yeah, let's hear the multiple choice Uh multiple choices. Is it a compiling b coding c bugs Or d recursive logic Just coding did she make coding? no Program yet. I'm gonna go with the logic the one that said logic and recursive logic This sounds old because people have to learn this what did grace hopper do? She's a big name in in history She created the concept of a compiler, which is essentially a compiler when you program They make a programming language that makes it as easy or easier to Write instructions to a computer the thing is a computer uses what they call machine language Which is really unintelligual to most people Um, and then the next step above that is what they call assembly, which is a lot of Uh, a lot of memory memory locations and data that's supposed to go into it If you've ever done it outside of a c64 it's very very complex It can be very confusing because they it's just from whatever hardware you're on computer languages are designed to solve that by taking relatively relatively Normal sounding phrases like You know initiate know int library to bring up a library or uh set or print. Hello Or print hello or or echo off or echo on And what a compiler does is takes those and then directs it to a memory map into a into a into a form that the Machine will understand and it's originally called linking and the compiler is the program that does the linking Takes all those phrases that you type out It's why when you compile a program if you just leave it in the source code it could be kind of big But once you compile it it should be a bit smaller Yeah, so you have to write out zero one zero zero zero one zero you just say like move this here And call it a day Paul samson is saying hello world. Surely surely Well, you still win world All right I'm glad thank you for that. I learned something that was very good Which of the following is not an official scientific term? muon schmoo sonic hedgehog Zelda Schmoo No, no, no, because I know sonic hedgehog is Mu on what a I know what a muon is so unless it's a trick question Maybe it's zelda. I think it's zelda It is zelda Hey Yeah, try to throw us off with two video games. No, I haven't heard of schmoo before. Okay. All right. What's schmoo? Yeah, I have to I have to even though I don't remember what it is anymore A schmoo is involved in yeast reproduction I could have sworn I I it was tickling the back of my brain that I'd heard of a zelda connection, but I guess not No, that's why that's why I threw that in there What see what our listeners want to know and definitely I know already so I'm just asking for them is what is a sonic hedgehog It's a protein, right? Yeah, it's a protein and there's also a gene that underlies it. Yeah So geneticists just got it was around the time that the video game came out gene that makes the protein Is that the what sonic hedge? Okay? Yep, and yeah, it's the gene that makes the protein and geneticists really liked the video game So geeky geneticists named their gene after a video game sonica isn't it one of the reasons that they've come up with a Like a list of rules for naming now Like no, I'm serious I think there's like a convention on naming because they're like we we can't let people keep calling stuff sonic hedgehog You can't just make things video games. Then suddenly there is a zelda. That's no fun. Yeah Well, there's a zelda before but I like the pop cultural references in the sciences It makes things easier to remember Yeah, sure. Oh like hedgehog was called something else. I would never think of it ever again Or maybe you would know this then uh, it's it's wait, so we're how's the scoring like team twiz wins by one We all win So what is Oh, I just want to ask you this real quick question geeky since you love pop science or pop culture and science what is The name of the spikes on the stegosaurus's tail Phil Sam Jeff Jeff is a jeff great. No, I don't know It's thagamizer and it's Thagamizer Yes, it's based on a gary larson Uh strip known as uh the far side of the galaxy Love that and he he did one where they had cavemen showing like a depict like doing a little uh A talk on the stegosaurus and he he's talking about the stegosaurus tail about how you should avoid it And we've calling it the thagamizer in uh respect to the late great fag Whatever who got smushed by one who got smushed by the tail. Yeah far side was one of the great Far side really was my my 10 year old kai is is getting into the far side right now There's an amazing exhibit at the california academy of sciences when I was growing up far side Oh, yeah, I remember I wait well, how old were you when you were? I was in I was in college. I think when I saw that right or no, maybe earlier Oh, I've been so I've been there so many times before they redid it. Yeah, that it's all a blur It's just one giant thing. They had the fish tank You know the circular fish tank that thing was so cool. Remember when they had the great white in it? The great white was always just swam around and around and around Great white was was was being affected by the tank and it kept swimming the other way like opposite the the rotation of the The the tank and it found out it's because the tank was all metal. It was throwing off the the sharks Magnetic selection. Yeah Oh, that's annoying So many things great whites don't do so well In captivity for so many reasons. I think there was one additional question which um, we'll just put it out there to the The chat room to people watching Can anybody order the host's birthdays? by month and date Not year Oh A is blare b. Justin c kiki tom sarah roger. Can you So now in the correct year by age not by age, but by month and date Yeah, like you're flipping through a calendar. What order would you see our birthdays like january? Who has the whose birthday comes first? Yeah, so there's there's three on that calendar right behind you Is this appealing to people who like good at I think they're good at zodiac picking like people's signs This is january february march april who comes in january then you know who's who's next Justin basically look at the people have to use google facebook or whatever figure out our birth dates and then arrange it in, uh, correct Uh chronological within a year Providing identity seems really easy. Also. What did you grow up on a very specific? What was your first pet's name? This is about presents people Send my birthday presents Oh, yeah, okay. Who's question was this who's got a birthday coming up? That's what this I have a birthday. We all do really No, yeah We we didn't get one last year. So we really gotta make up for it. Yeah I would like a banana split sundae with real hot fudge. Ooh, I would like a taco party No, what no one's taking a crack at this in our chat rooms Because that one's too hard. Let's do All right here i'll get i'll throw one to the uh through the chat room without searching on google Or wikipedia or anything. What is the largest dolphin species? I know That's my favorite animal The feral cat Largest dolphin species Uh, uh, no not yet. Uh bottle nose is is one guy I know I will send somebody sauce, right? Yeah, yeah, you got it That does he have a killer we've got oh, yeah, this is adkins and and a ethan kane both uh said killer whale first killer whale Yeah We did this the story uh a little over a year ago now where Where orcas were attacking fishing boats and pretty much any boat that was of the size they could manage And they would be heading out to the oh, yeah, I remember this fishing territories And met south of france, uh and turning them around You would beat into them until the boat was heading back And then they'd leave it alone And they they hit like a bunch of boats and they could actually track this pod Because it continued to push boats back to shore all the way up the coast To take out a fishing boat in france or something like this They're protesting to telling you to go home. They were they were mad about something and then recently Some people report seeing them in the suez canal Yeah, well, that's where I think that's where yeah, that's how that boat got stuck, right? Right it was the killer whales Blame the killer whales Oh my transients or residents you just keep your distance Okay, I think does that do is that it did we do it? We got it. We made it all the way through Yes, thank you really fun. Yeah, this was super fun. Thank you so much Thank you all for being here. Thanks everybody for watching and listening and hanging out in the chat And if you want to find more uh tech news head to daily tech news show.com And if you need more science news in your life, you can head to twist.org We will be there Scienceing it up every week And you know, I'd love to know what people thought about this about this show I'd love I'd love to get love to get feedback. Yeah, did you like it? Please let us let us know on Whatever method works for you feedback at daily tech news show.com is our email address And we might want to do this again if you liked it Yeah, and thanks everyone who sent in ideas for stories and things that we should talk about it really Set us on a nice little little path of discovery and conversation. So really appreciate your interaction there Indeed Indeed, okay We might want to do it again We're gonna end the show so that we can finish this one and hope to do another one in the future last words from everyone Blair, what would you like to say? This is really fun. I will um throw something out to the twitterverse. Uh since we were having our ever would you never I don't remember what we called it but um about science topics I would love to hear who actually would go to mars and why or why not? Because this is a science and tech conversation, right and I think that It's nuanced and interesting. So I would love Yeah, I would love to hear from people if they would like to go to mars or not and why and you can tag us in that Let us know. Nice. Good question. All right. Justin. What are your last words? Uh, I don't know the typical last word of a human being I cannot be said on the air So I reserve it for that occasion when it really really becomes that now. This is really fun. I'd love to do it again as well this is Very nice fun casual chat and I actually I need to watch the show more Uh, the because there's always something in your show that that I've been searching for that I've missed Yeah There was a very recent episode where we're talking about you're talking about Outdoor projectors that they don't exist yet that ones. You're really designed it for a long throw Because I've been trying to find One that you could actually mount on top of a school bus and drive around and then actually Ideally one that would be a periscope Ah Mounted to a periscope. Yeah, throw an image on anywhere the wall is handy to be able to Anyway, I'll put you in contact with marshal. Justin. Yeah, that's good. Yeah Oh something on your show that is a special interest Sarah Your turn. Um, I'll keep it brief. Um, I will not be going to mars Just don't even invite me. I will not go I'm gonna stay here on earth where we have plenty of things to solve. Thank you very much But have fun when you go and tell me all about it send me pictures Yeah, well just just whoever wants to go. I want you I want you to enjoy your trip mars person um, and and yeah, we'll we'll we'll have Implants in our brains and we'll just be able to talk to each other. Anyway, so it'll be great But um, but yeah real quick. This was really fun. I think so much of this week in science and Daily tech news show, uh, we we can learn a lot from each other and we do and let's keep let's keep the romance alive Absolutely, roger. What do you have to say? Uh, this is a lot of fun. It's a great way to spend a saturday afternoon I will say that uh, I learned a bunch about uh slugs and uh Giant giant fungus compared to a stand of trees that are all the same organism Uh, but really it's you know, it's fun because science and technology are really just two sides of the same coin And it's beneficial to to really understand both in order to get a better appreciation of of of both Excellent excellent. Uh, well kiki, uh, our work here is done. Uh, good. Good job Daily tech news show will be back monday with tim stevens and uh, I assume twist will be back, uh next wednesday, right? It absolutely will Time It's all in your head Should we do that again? Until then remember It's all in your head I don't know where i'm going Every day of the week, there's only one place to go to find the knowledge I seek I need drums Um, I gotta I gotta take my dog out All right He's he's he's starting to I feel he's getting panicked Pushy yeah Yeah, yeah, it's just you know, you know how it is I know Saturdays we're always we're kind of off our game, you know monday through friday It's like we know exactly where we're supposed to be and when uh-huh saturday is a little different I don't I don't know where I'm usually on saturday Sam and usually on saturday. I'm just kind of like well, you know, I don't have to I'm not doing the things that I do on weekdays. So it's just like you let me know raise your hand will go So we gotta go. All right. Thanks, sarah Thank you so much Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Yes I want uh, I want just to know that my dog started barking in the middle of the show because there was a feral cat outside the window And so Ray was taking up your cause. I think it's how I interpreted that. Yeah, we are still alive. Should I end the broadcast? Yes, let's say good. Bye Bye everybody