 All right, beautiful, we'll tune in together some deep breaths, just relaxing and intention away and just tuning into our highest selves and interacting with each other from that space, from the space of Shambhala, the spiritual kingdoms on earth already being done and from the heart, from unity, from love, from play. Ready, Samir? I'm still ready. Exciting. Oh man, so welcome everyone. Welcome everybody. Yeah, this is gonna be an exciting conversation because we're shooting this podcast for both myself and Atlas's podcast individually, but we're doing it all in one episode and which is in itself unique. I love that. It's so cool and it's nice because when you do that, you have simulation and you have insights and you have the unique audiences on both channels, the unique like essence of both channels. So you and I will have like different angles that we sort of take on our channels and that's exciting and then there'll be some cross-pollination. So people visiting insights from simulation, people from insights visiting simulation, people from simulation visiting insights. So Samir, will you angle your camera a little bit down so you're more like in the frame? There we go. Thank you. Yeah. It looks great. I look like a floating head. Yeah. Nice, man. Yeah, so we were talking about a little bit, I guess before. Well, first of all, actually I want to address what you just said because I do, I think that's like the whole intention of insights is that cross, not only cross-pollination but also like this, the shining of light, like, so I spent a lot of my years as a recording artist and the light was always on me, right? Like I was this spotlight kind of like, at least from my end of the, or my perception, it was like always, okay, well, how, you know, being interviewed. And so this, for me, is kind of new in terms of podcasting and interviewing other people and spotlighting them but it's from such a different place than where music was, first of all, but it's very, very cool in terms of just having conversation for the sake of conversation and selflessly sharing stories. Like I think selflessly sharing people's stories to, like really, like what I find is I have such amazing conversations with people and they enlighten me, you know, like they're enlightening conversations and like if, if that can be shared with the world and there's some sort of platform that can just be built for that and that's, that's really my, my intention with insights is like to give an insight into, it's, I call it, or it's like shining light on the illuminated ones or like illuminating the illuminated ones. Yeah, I heard that in the intro, in your animation intro and your voiceover, just for that to become the norm and specifically shining the light on the illumined ones. And I feel like it would be important to share what we mean by that. And from my perspective, we mean those that have found out who they are and what they are and then feel the peace and happiness that comes from that realization, which is like the sun and the lumens. And then they share that with all of creation, emanate that. And they basically serve the rest of creation, shifting more and more into the sun themselves, basically unblocking any clouds nailed it. Yeah, nailed it, nailed it. The sun is such a big part of my, I would say, just my journey in general. It's been very, like it's been a metaphor that's been, since the beginning of my, that's been relevant for me. So that was perfect. I love that. Nice. Yeah. And that's, and that's been across all of the mystic traditions. It's important to mention because this is thousands of years old, what we're talking about. It's across all of the different traditions, mystic traditions around the planet. So each religion basically has a mystic tradition that's about uniting with God within. And they, just that in itself is answering the question, who am I? And what is I? And what is my true nature? And just doing that investigation is like what they say in the traditions, just cutting through any clouds or any of these onion layers that we've built up of separation or lack is traditionally called ego, or if you really want to get metaphysical location. So any sense of being located in the body, any sense of being your thoughts, any sense of being separate really from creation, from others, creates, generates this dis-ease. And then it's aimed to be remedied through all of creation's goodies. Like, yeah, yeah. So then I'll go buy something and now make me happy or I'll have a relationship that'll fulfill me, that'll bring me peace or I'll have some substances and that'll bring me peace. And it's all just trying to heal the dis-ease of separation of lack. Yeah. Yeah. And so that's the main pattern and that's why the mystic traditions just aim to point you directly inward, the direct path inward, mysticism uniting with God within. And then in that process you discover who and what you are and then you feel the peace and happiness that is innate in that and then you radiate your illumination. And it's just, yeah, it's just way less, yeah, consuming and graspy and it's way more generous, serving, illuminating. Yeah. Yeah. And you can feel that, you can feel that from people is what I've found is, especially, you know, you and I are in NLS and there's something in it, another society, yeah. And we'll get into that, I think, that's going to be a big part of this conversation. But I feel, what I've noticed is interacting with people within NLS, it doesn't matter what stage of the journey that they're at. The fact that they're there and showing up for themselves in that way, it creates an automatic respect, like an automatic level of respect. And when I see it, it's like, it's, and get to interact with it and, you know, like talking with you, I got to speak with Corey on the previous one. And then like even off the interview screen, off insights, just you can, when I think illumined ones, I think like it's a spectrum, like, yeah, we could talk about enlightenment and we could say that it's like this, you know, like, like an enlightened being an illumined one. But for me, it's like this spectrum of those who are like willing to go the distance, you know, that's really, that's really, and when I see that quality, it's like I want to highlight that persona, because there's somebody on that wherever they are, it doesn't matter where the fuck they are, excuse me, I don't know if we can curse on them. Of course, yeah. Yeah, cool. And so it doesn't matter where they are at all. And for me to even try to put a placement on that in itself is, you know, that that would be inaccurate anyways, it'd be a fallacy. So yeah, but I find that there is going to be a resident gain as much as I do from every conversation, because I'm starting to view actually for the last four or five months of my life, every every interaction has become a teaching moment, you know, like I learn in every interaction. So like every individual is my teacher is is what I'm seeing. And it's like, dude, like get this out to the world, like people need that, you know, like people, it's just to absorb the energy and the perspective, like two people having a conversation, like you and I, and just to like see that a mechanism in itself that energy is going to carry over and people are going to have some sort of an experience, what that's going to be, that's, you know, up to source. So let that play out. And that also plays into the simultaneity of things where you have always already free being now. And also at the same time there being an appearance, like you said, of different levels or different stages, just like us 10 years ago versus now. And anytime you meet someone in NLS, you have this auto respect for them because they're in the process of fully getting through any lack, any separation, any limiting beliefs, and just coming from the same place that Bentino comes from, that the team comes from, and that is aligned most first, foremost with the mission, which is igniting global awakening, and the proliferation of the frequency of Shambhala, which is spiritual kingdoms across the entire planet, where all basic needs are met, where all potential is being fully actualized, and where all are awake, where all are playing, where all are creating, generating prosperity and energy and lucrative abundance in finance and in food and in water. And it's just so technology. It's just so everyone feels this in the deepest of their hearts in the collective, which is that. It's that. It's what they know is possible, heaven on earth, but that, yeah. So that's what we're aligned with. Yeah. I love that. I love that. I want to dive into that. It felt like the word that popped to me is the word just possibility in general. It's such an elementary word, but it's such a also like, it's a hidden gem, I feel like in any seeking structure where it's like coming from possibility is the key to everything. It's the key to unlocking, you know, this, anything that's locked, I guess you could say even. It's so cool. Yeah, that's, that felt really good. Yeah. So it's like, there's, there's something that that came up for me recently in terms of like, well, recently being like six months ago, maybe a year ago, but the idea of optimism versus someone who considers themselves a realist, right? And what I found is like, well, most, most people, and I don't want to, you know, could be generalizing here, but most people I would say it's safe to when they hear the word realist, they're talking about what is currently appearing in their reality, right? And what they perceive to be like, this is real, like, you know, physical objects and things like that. And so not even being aware of the metaphysical aspects that can create and shift, you know, like, just through a state change, just through, you know, going in and again, like becoming acquainted with who you are. So you take that word realist and you're now, you know, you're, I'm a realist, like I go based off of what is appearing to me is essentially what you're saying is like, or is essentially what someone is saying. And then optimism to me is like, I go based off of what is unseen or solution based thinking, I look at it as, or seek, seeking possibilities in every single situation. And what I find is on this path that I'm on the depth of possibility gets exponentially wider every day. And like, you know, like, the depth of what is possible becomes just, you know, it's more instantly available. And it's just wider, like the scope of what you could see as possible, and how you can actually metaphysically tune into it and create from the uncreated to bring that into creation. And you're not like, that's my reality, you know what I mean? Like, that's realism to me now. It's like, yeah, of course, you can you can create from the uncreated. And of course you can bring it, you know, so it's so cool to have like, and without nls that wouldn't be as a, for me, I would say nls has fast tracked me in my in my faith and conviction in that. And also just opening up to others, because I've always been like a kind of in my as Ben would say stinky little pond, I was the self seeker, you know, like to myself kind of doing my own thing. And doing group work didn't really didn't really resonate with me for a long time. And I think coming into nls it was like, the first things that came up was just all of this fucking fear, you know, about, you know, like, yeah, I'm great in the in the, I guess you could say 3d world like I can, you know, put me in a room with rappers, you can put me in a room with business men, you can put me in a room and I, you know, I thrive. It doesn't matter who's in the room, I'm very adaptable. But then, you know, put me in a room full of people who who also know themselves. It's like the standard gets raised. It's beautiful, though, because like that that gave me so much, like, just seeing it seeing the example of it, gave me so much like will to do the same for myself like show up for yourself dammit, you know, like, this is what you want anyway. So like show up for yourself. Let's do this, you know, and that's the energy that I get with nls. It's just like it's this constant like this loving nurturing guidance to like, there's nothing that you could do that is more embarrassing than anyone else here has ever done or been in person. So like, let that go and just be like allow yourself to be in this. It's such a great environment for that. I can't I can't speak good enough things about nls. So I know I went on a few different directions. Yeah, so many good threads came up. Yeah, one of them was that okay. So you spoke of the shift from objective to subjective. So to possibility. So we have this obsession or this focus on the object. And one could say that the entire spiritual journey basically begins with shifting from focus or attention or perception on the object to like the very line of perception itself, and then to the very subject or the perceiver. So nice, that that is sort of like the main part you could say of the initial part of the spiritual journey is that. And then when you shift to the subject, and you recognize that the subject is actually the one infinite creator, it's actually God. And that's the same thing that's looking out of your eyes and out of everyone's eyes. And so then you realize that there's like an eternity or an infinity to your beingness. And that you can sort of relax your obsession with being the body and relax your obsession with being the thoughts and relax your obsession with objects and focus more on the possibilities, like you said. And this is what I wrote in high level perception that first book that I wrote that you're checking out and chapter two is called seed theory. Yeah. And so in seed theory, you have basically a analogy that you're drawing between the tree of possibility from the seed and all of the possibilities that branch. Hey, one sec, actually, Atlas, I don't mean to cut you off, but I think it would be powerful if you shared screen, if you have it pulled up there, you could share screen and you can click on it because I see the illustration that you're talking about in front of me. Or if you make me a cohost, I can share my screen for you. I think showing them. I just love how on point you are because that's going to make it so much better, for sure. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay, here we go. Boom. Sweet. So that's chapter four. Go to chapter two. Okay. Oh, you read that is chapter four. Okay. Seed theory right here. Well, it's like a map. Nice. Sweet. So, okay. So if you tune into possibilities above everything and you recognize that everything that's objective is downstream of what is subjective of what is the focus or the imagination or the will or the creativity of God of the one infinite creator. So then you feel more and more okay. So why don't I tune into that seed level, the possibility space, and I make this analogy with the tree. And I see that out of all of my like possible trajectories in life, that I can persistently, constantly focus on and choose my preferred state and my preferred frequency, which is oneness, Shambhala service coming from there. And also seeing in that North Star position, igniting global awakening, the mission, architecting Shambhala's across the planet and nothing being higher than that. And so then your all of your focus in imagination is on that and as God as the one infinite creator with the stylus painting. And so then guess what happens is within five years, 10 years, 15 years, this entire planet is saturated with spiritual kingdoms. And then guess what happens is somebody 15 years later turns and asks themselves, Hey, how did this all happen? How did the subject or the imagination become object of Shambhala's across Earth? And this is how it happened, because we focused on the possibility space, we focused on the root, the root or the substratum is the fact that you are God, you are the one infinite creator, you have the fucking stylus in your imagination. And so we manifest the external. And so focusing on the possibility space is so critical and also focusing simultaneously on the seed level of basic needs being met is what enables people from around the world to be able to have clean drinking water and have food and have shelter and not have deceit diseases and just have energy and abundance so that they themselves can also turn inward and ask themselves the question, who am I? What is I? What is my nature? And also get through any layers of separation or lack or location or these types of things. And then it becomes easier for us to prosper as a planet. So the basic needs which you could say are the physicality actually fuel the subjective as well. So they're in a feedback loop with each other, the subject and the objective. So that's why it's so important to have the simultaneity of both. Yes. Yeah. Totally. I totally agree. And it's funny. I think during a session before that Ben had, you had mentioned the simultaneity and I remember even just how much joy was in your voice. And you're like, dude, I just love you, man. The simultaneity thing is what keeps me. And I felt that I felt that like deeply too because that's something that I noticed especially it's been a kind of front and center factor for me in my seeking as well. It's the simultaneity of like because the moment that we create separation, we are outside of the realms of the whole in terms of or within it creating the illusion of being outside of the whole. So it's cool though. It's nice when you notice that because then you realize that you can't really ever be alone or like you never are separate. When you do get that outer outer layer, look at the macro lens, look at what's actually going on when we create separation. So I it's really cool. It sucks when you're inside of it, but it's really cool when you're on the outside of it. You're like, ah, I see what I did there. Yes. That's that's clever. Yeah. And we could even say that the whole game is played there. Do we like do we feel like it's cool to end the screen share for now? Or do you feel like you want to bring something up? Yeah, let's yeah. Okay, cool. Well, actually, you know, you know what? Real quick, because I do like what you did here. I did a video, I think on my YouTube and it was it was something along the lines of a linear explanation of timelines. Yeah. And this feels a lot like what I did, but just in a lot more detail, I drew it out like little like just points and then high vibration was here and lower vibrational are here and then work off with every decision that you make in one direction or another. And just because you go super, you know, deep into a lower, you know, vibrational thought or whatever, doesn't mean that you can't at any given point make a decision that will, you know, even just vertically shoot you directly up that happens too. So it's like, I love this, I love this because you gave you gave really good examples, alcohol and cannabis abuse. And then like, what it's pretty like, that's pretty neutral. It's like coasting to fill this void and then Mary, like very average, Marian average partner. But then you could see at some point, you know, the alcohol and cannabis abuse, like that could have led at some point to gang involvement, or it could have led to a jail sentence and then, you know, and then overdose at 27 at a club, like I, to me, that's that's such a, it's, it's real, you know, in terms of like what's, what, what can, can happen now. But like the, the cool thing is, is like, what we perceive is like, you know, lower vibration, higher vibration, I would say, in the earlier states of seeking and sometimes still even actually, even now, like that, that there is, there can be that illusion of that lower frequency being worse because you feel constricted or being worse, right, like worse or better, because you feel constricted, but really in the macro lens, like all of this is of the same nature, you know, like this, the jail sentence and get like that is a valuable lesson for a soul. It's a super valuable lesson for a soul. And then, you know, then you go up here, company founder, investor, mentor, like that feels great in relation to what our society has viewed as success, you know, and so it's, it's really cool. I don't know, I love this so much. I hope that people take time to actually just like really dissect what you did here, because it's, it's really cool. I got it immediately the second I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. It's so relatable because we see the tree and we see the branches, and we see our own possibility space very much like this with a fork point and the decision. And then are we going in the direction of our highest possibility, or are we going in a direction of a more medium or a lower possibility? And we feel this all the time. And like you said, you've done videos explaining timelines, explaining this style of, you could also call this like choice architecture in computer science, in computer science called decision trees. And so you're, it's just so relatable across so many different facets of, of creation. And it's, and that's why you can capture it right away for those that have even like lightly, like lightly began exploring it. It's just so relatable. So yeah, I feel like I have one, I have a thread from a little bit ago, but do you want to, do you have another thing you want to mention about it? I did have one last thing that just kind of popped in, which was it's really, it's, it's really interesting because at any given point, you know, you go through awakening here and it might, it might be like a really traumatic one. And then you go into awake, like your, I like this upline that went directly up here. I'm not sure if it went up or down, but involvement and data scandal. And then so there's a triangle here. But anyways, so like at any given point, so like this is very linear, right? What we're, what we're seeing here, but then also at any given point, there is that like, simultaneously, right? There can be that spontaneous awakening that happens where you just disappear from this spot and you appear right here. Your new stance is just automatically here because something significant shifted internally, something significant enough shifted internally where that, that, that reality no longer can exist in your experience. So that was the only thing that I wanted to add is like, while it's linear, there's also this like, this property of it, the potential of it being the quantum leapiness of yes, yeah, nailed it. Yeah, for sure. Like where you can just like dissolve as air for a second and then just like pop into another area. Yeah. Yeah. And with no real explanation. And that's where you know, you might have some law of confusion come in and you know, because there's dissonance between the old reality and the new reality and all that. Yeah. Yeah. Super. That's currently what I'm experienced, but go ahead. You had a, you had a thread actually that you were going to go on and then maybe we could shift into personal experience. Perfect. So what came up earlier was where the entire game of source or the one infinite creator is being played. And you could say that the entire game is being played at the event horizon. And so where the sense of self even arises in the first place is where the game is being played. So if you're feeling a sense of being located in the body and being contracted with your thoughts and with separation that the shift is more and more out of your obsession with the stars and the planets and the relationships between them. And it's more and more closer to the event horizon, which is at the center of the galaxy, which is disappearing into the singularity. Wow. And from the singularity, then you can emerge as a full shepherd, as completely pure. And you'll continue purifying, of course, but that that the shift is really to like seeing these analogies. Like you're, you know, the very, the very eye itself is a microcosm of the macrocosm of a galaxy. Right. And so yeah, so the patterns are everywhere. It's so fractal. It's recursive. And the patterns are everywhere. And it's up to us to like tune in to those patterns and wonder like, might it be that all I have to do is understand the nature of black holes and the nature of that being a singularity and the nature of them, both, which is a recent finding, which I think is fascinating that black holes are not only consumers or taking in the light. They're also creating. They're also creating stars and light. And so, so the very, the very fact that that you have a sort of like an indescribable mystery that is like both like, like both generating like infinite, like actualizing infinite potential in the form of like stars and planets and explorations. But at the same time, it's understanding itself through these mind, body, spirit complexes through the through this, this like indescribable like power to know, which is like, it's yeah, you can't even describe what's happening like neuronally at the heart level and the gut level and how all of these, you know, 30 trillion cells are undergoing some sort of a comprehension process on behalf of that infinite mystery that we are. And so yeah, just these patterns and the whole game is played right here. Like if you can just tune into this, you can, you can like recognize it, you can realize it, you can experience it more and more in your moment to moment breathing and, and you'll be it more and more at the level of your frequency of the level of your vibration. And then you have this conviction that sits in all of these, and then this, the, the further and further purification of where you're coming from in service, and to the rest of your self awakening. And, and if you just stay at that like source point, you can feel when you deviate a little bit into separation or into your persona, your ego, your costume, your identity, your self image, you wanting to extract from the conversations and the environment and get validation and try and get some peace and happiness from outside and have an argument with somebody because you don't recognize them as yourself as well. And so if you just play the whole game at that source point at that event horizon, you can see like Buddha called it dependent origination, like the whole game is played right there. And you just fork from dependent origination, the first link is you're either a video or video, you're either ignorant or you have knowledge from that source point from that very, because everything's intertwined in its expression from that point. And that's what's, and that's what you could say is the sticker paper knowledge and the sticker on the sticker paper, which is, which is ignorance, but that duality is collapsed and whatnot as well, but there's a simultaneity that's really important to recognize there, which is that from that point, if I just really clearly and vigilantly know myself and just watch the way I express, I can tell when I'm expressing from the place of complete unity, like Xamir and Atlas are one with itself. It's just truth with itself or reality with itself, love with itself. And less so, oh, it's a separate character called Atlas and a separate character called Xamir, and that's two separate people are having a conversation. And so yeah, that's like the shift. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This and I remember, I think it was in the free online enlightenment training that Ben did, I believe, where he described, you know, the tablecloth talking to itself, which is what I believe you're pointing to right now, which is I love that. I love that analogy. Yeah, super cool. I had a really cool actually experience. Oh, Xamir, I just noticed I have a Kleenex, so we could even show it. Yeah. Yeah, like this. Make puppets. Yeah, like this basically talking to itself. Nice, you have one too. Yeah, exactly. Point's in the tablecloth talking to itself. That's actually yeah. So the idea is maybe we should clarify a little bit because we know what we're talking about, but maybe they don't. But the idea is this is that, you know, all of creation is let's say this white piece of paper in that all the little, you know, individuations, me and Atlas, let's say, are having a conversation right now. And we could say that we're two separate beings that you guys can see are clearly not connected at the hip physically or anything like that. But, you know, on a metaphysical level, what it is is just source creation talking to itself as the tablecloth. And it's, yeah, it's going to be really funny. I love this. So cute. Yeah, it is. And I had the other thread that I wanted to follow with you. I like the word thread, by the way. I really love that. Yeah. That you mentioned that. Because it's like also the branch, I just want to say, like in the tree. Nice. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Very cool. So it's like that black hole, which is creating and it's also destroying at the same time, essentially. And you could say comprehending is another way to say it also, which is. Ooh, I love that so much. Creating and comprehending. Yeah. Yeah, that's even more and that's actually, that's actually what's, what's more accurately happening in that scenario. So I like that. Because destroying sounds really, you know, messy and can have connotations to it. So I had a very interesting experience. I've only sat with Aya once, Aya Wasco once before plant medicine. And because that was never really a heavy part of my journey, but I did it. I did, I did feel called to it. I had, you know, I was invited about three times the first two times it didn't work out. And then the third time they say, you know, like, sometimes it'll just enter your life and it's, it's meant to be when it happens. So I listened to that, that piece of that permission slip, I guess you could say. And, and so when I, when I received that, and I went to sit the first night, I didn't have any experience at all. I was trying to have an experience that I was really wanting to, because everyone's sitting in the circle was having early experiences never really make myself up. I just, I felt like I wanted to, but I guess so it wouldn't happen. Nothing happened. Second night. I had a really great facilitator who I want to shout out on this, actually, his name is Bearheart Saputo and incredible, incredibly integral. I don't even know what to call him because he's, he could be a shaman, medicine man, but he's far more than that. I don't want to put him in a box. So just a really, really awesome person who I will have on this podcast as well. We actually have already started talking about it, but so we're, we're sitting there and he goes, you know, in most traditional circles, they're going to tell you, don't disrupt the circle too much, you know, try to stay within this box, but he holds the space where it's like, there is no limit, no limit. Like if you, he's like, give, like, if you feel the laughs coming, like, give it all you've got, like this, you have this moment to, to embrace your healing in that moment, like go for it. And I knew going into this, and I don't want to talk too much about the specifics because that can dilute the actual experience that was shown and kind of water it down. But what I do want to say was I did have this, this experience during it where I felt like my body was kind of in half. And I felt like a black hole where one half was just continuously like, I was at that point that you were talking about just that. And, and I was, I felt trapped there the whole time. I didn't like it, but, but it was like, eventually I surrendered, you know, like I surrendered. So I had a really blissful experience and I was laughing my way through it. And, and I was simultaneously purging like crazy, but I was laughing as I was purging and just having this really blissful experience that was just like everything became so comical. Like, and I discovered a laugh actually that I had that I'd never let out in my life. And this laugh came out of me. And my friend Drew was there and his partner is now, is now mother of his child. Congrats to you guys as well if you're watching this. They, they, she goes, Oh my God, I remember hearing her as I'm like, facing a bucket, laughing my laughing like, and I'm like, Oh, we're dancing right now, you know, like, I'm going through it. And she goes, I've literally never heard that sound come out of a human being before that I made that I was making it was like, it was deep man, because like it was, it was coming from an uncreated space is what it felt like. Like this was coming straight from uncreation into creation. And there was, there was a birth happening. And it was so beautiful. So experiencing that physically in your body. Yes, there's, you know, there was it was induced, right? But there was something that can't be unfelt about that, that when you're there. And now I can resonate with what you're saying, just going there without any medicine. And I can go there into a meditative state and experience kind of the same thing. It's definitely not the same thing. But it's the, the essence of it is there. And it's so cool that I, I, so yeah, I just wanted that felt fun to share. There was no real purpose, but yeah, it's deep, deep purpose because entheogens mean unleashing God or the divine within. And so when you, when we play with entheogens, they're serving our journey of healing, transmuting any of the layers of separation and, and lack and location that we built up the conditioning. And so they're, they're helping us shred all of those. And then the thing is, is to not just take the gondola ride of the entheogen and then go right back down. But it's to have a practice at the same time where you can, like you said, basically revisit through your own just meditation, concentration, realization, abiding, recognition of yourself as the absolute and just doing that in five minutes a day, 10 minutes a day at the beginning of the day, just relaxed and just breathing and just meditating on that. And there you go. It's, it's purposefully there. Like we, we created all of the entheogens for our own awakening process. And we could even go and say that the stone A pipe offices, which is, which is in many ways why we're here is that we millions of years ago discovered magic mushrooms and that we by eating those created higher cognitive ability to do things like vibrate these vocal chords into some sort of symbol symbology and meaning that would then be comprehended by the other MBS mind, body, spirit, complex entity. And then we would take over a whole planet and build civilization and rockets and spaceships and energetic abundance and all these things that are emerging. So we're an extension of fungi on a physical level. This is a very, this is a very, very important point that that this is so important. And I kind of want to get the exact number. And I think I have the exact number, but I'm just going to double check. And I'm pretty sure it's the exact number. It is the exact number. Great. So 650 million years ago, we divided from fungi into animals. So if you look at the biological tree of life itself from the single cell organisms, billions of years ago into the multi cell organisms, into the fungi, into the animals, into humans, we come from the same, it's called a biogenesis. It's the singularity point on earth of where the first cell emerged and then it proliferated into the millions of species that exist today. But that we originate from that same source point, but from that source point, what is more recent or close to that source point than humans, than chimps is fungi. So fungi is a decentralized network of intelligence, which then humans are basically intelligent, decentralized network. And that's what the one infinite creator is, an intelligent, decentralized network. And so it's just a physical manifestation of the non physical. And what's cool is that you mentioned we consumed it, right? So there's that like we were acting as a black hole, we consumed it at zero point. And then what came from that, there was something that was created from that, which is evolution of the being. Wow. So cool. That's so cool. Insights, baby. Insights, baby. Simulation, baby. Very much, baby. Fire, fire. Yeah, I love this. Love this. Do you have somewhere that you feel you want to take this? I love the flow of this. It feels so good. It feels so rich. Yeah. Very organic. I feel a good place for us to chat would be about no limit society. And so for both of us and our journeys as well. So I feel like we could transition to that. Love it. Sweet. And just what we talked about in the first hour or however long, I would even encourage you guys watching on both of our channels. I would encourage you guys to to rewatch the first hour and to in a sense like pause and take some notes along the way and like if something came up that we talked about that is like, well, what is a biogenesis? Then you go and you look it up, right? That kind of thing. And then you like research that a bit or if something came up around entheogens or if something came up around this event horizon and this comprehension and this creation and the ability to like meditate on that and or just shifting more and more away from the object subject and just all of those different things to take your time with like processing or comprehending those and then reaching out to Zamir and I in the comments. If you guys have any questions or any insights and then we'll jump in and play with you on that. Love that. Sweet. And then yeah, so yeah, no limit society is incredible. It's basically if you take like some of the most like it's like the navy seals of spirituality. If you yeah, if you take like the highest level like Buddhist realized and merge it with the like highest level Vikings that are that are constitutionalized as actualizing the planets fullest potential and you like merge those two together. And so yeah, the mission is igniting global awakening and we do so by training free agents in in self realization as well as in self actualization. And there's many different like programs that we offer. We offer meditation mastery, which is a powerful 30 day program to just train yourself in concentration and realization meditation conviction. And also in this basically this ongoing exclusive training program that Bantino and the team offer. And it's it's purposely like exclusive. It's purposely like in terms of there being like a barrier to entry because there's a there's got to be like a high level of earnestness and alignment with the mission even before like joining in the first you could say concentric circle like getting into the first concentric circle like even before you move into like proximity in the same geographic let's say area as the team actualizing the mission. There's like the first barrier which is just no limit society in general which is the online ongoing exclusive training experience and and that's where you begin like understanding like some of the foundational content first and foremost about self realization self actualization basically the teachings which you could say are a distillation of not only this collective but the cosmos's essence and important distinction right there actually yeah very yeah please go ahead and say that and then we'll continue why did you pick up on that because I do that's I want to think about that I want to give that or really tune into that because so the concept of wanderers in the love one resonated with me the moment that I heard it and I was very careful immediately not to allow that to be an ego point but to to say oh if that is who I am then if that is what I'm here to do and that feels that way well there's got to be some sort of training ground for that available and it like quite literally that was my thought process like there there's got to be some sort of because I'm like I don't know what to do with that information to be real like I don't know what to like like I didn't at that point when I discovered the concept of wonders although I did in a sense have the pointings of the law of one teachings that I started to dive into at the point there at that point so there was that was very helpful but I think the distinction there that I that I was excited about was just the fact that that that these materials that I was coming to learn about that they led me to somewhere where there was the possibility of expansion within you know those concepts so like Abraham Hicks law of one teachings Bashar and and taking it to the and like really dissecting it and taking these concepts and ideas and also you know sages and mystics like Nisargadatta Ramana Maharshi and and it's cool right now Ben's really loving Neville Goddard and it's so vast you know like there is no it's it's not about the individuals at all it's about the pointings that we get in the pointings are all relevant right and so there's there's a distillation of it in NLS that that excites me a lot so that was what I guess yeah that's the same that I was picking up on the distinction between like the collectives like religions and between what's going on on the cosmological the level of cosmological teachings so coming from yeah coming from the universal teachings of potentially advanced civilizations and entities that are superior in terms of progress to this collective and taking those teachings and merging them with the this collective's best stuff so that's basically what we mean and then then there's so many great within no limit society once you sort of go through like the orientational content the foundational content then you get added into a system called kathas which are a place for you to do the work it's a place for you to integrate the teachings with about 20 others in these each in these kathas which are basically Sanskrit word for house or abode and you have a like kata guides which Zamir and I are both kata guides and so these are people that have sort of went through doing the work and have went through the process of purifying where they're coming from and tuning in more and more into the shepherding consciousness where you're coming from a place that's most interested in the process of the 20 people that are in your kata and so you want to serve them as best as possible to ask them good questions to have them tune into their process to wake up more to purify themselves etc and so that kata process happens and then there's you know there's a more you could say exclusive even more than nls is another you could say more exclusive ring which is generally just bintinho and the core team and what's forming more and more as like an extended team that's expanding more and more and that this is really the you could you could view it as like the sun right this is the sun and then you have like mercury and you have venus and so this is sort of like the core the core team and then the and then the extended team and then earth is like sort of where people are shifting from more and more into you know seeing as god sees more and more into being aligned constituted as just the mission and so we have all these great analogies that help people like when they jump from from earth to being interested in the teachings that's like them shifting more and more to venus um they're like they're like in the spaceship you can teleport yeah yeah or yeah there you go on to me yeah teleport so that's yeah no limit society in a nutshell um which i've been a part of for almost a year now and zamir what are you on how many months now um since the meditation masteries of five months is it four or five months i was gonna say yeah almost half a year as well yeah and so yeah so we would love also if you guys enjoyed what we just shared you can check out the links in both of the video bios on both of our channels we'll have no limit society link down there and you guys can join and just if this resonates with you because this is like there's no place there's no place like this on earth where the the priority is the spiritual navy seal is like the priority is being a buddhist viking it's like there's coming from the future which is like it's like coming from 2035 where this whole civilization is already enlightened and prosperous and abundant and then just basically retracing our steps and like reverse engineering that process in our in our daily um creation and um and purifying ourselves in the process yes um of all of that which is which is really actually something this is a beautiful thread to to go off on actually in our own experience what sorry did i cut you off or did you okay so when like i i love the idea of like ascended masters which to me is you know it's like someone who's mastered manifestation or creation and has ascended you know they've they're ascended masters so it's it's like width and height i guess you could say for is how i kind of view it um and so like i that's what this feels like and ls feels like a training grounds for that becoming an ascended master and and not only that but also you know um the service to others component of it so it was you know it's the national i would say the um uh focus of the whole training ground creating kettus groups where we can we can interact with each other and um and if eventually it resonates with you you can become a guide or you you you want to step into that level of service that's there's an opportunity to become a keta guide and then learn from that side of the spectrum or that that part of the experience so there's so much available within this i'm not sure if i said what i wanted to say but there was oh so yeah okay so so essentially what i wanted to maybe give people an insight into is the like how is this showing up for you in your own journey right now like at this moment like how how how is this mechanism really um and maybe you can just talk about your own experience or a shift that you're going through right now and then it'll it'll organically come up you know how it's been a part of that but i think that would be a powerful testimony also just to share my bro totally and then um same thing right back at you afterward um love it now be probably a good place to wrap um yeah so yeah for me um right now going through the experience of like at the at the causal level just going so deeply and subtly into that which you could say is like where you're coming from where i'm coming from and at that like seed level again like we said seed theory right at that causal level seeing where my my core limiting belief for my core assumption is that is that i am unhauled and so then from from that core limiting belief assumption is then the the manifestation in the in the mind the subtle as well as then in the physical of then wanting to get something to feel whole so wanting to get like a validation um wanting to be like seen as a teacher um just and and it doesn't and it doesn't feel good and like there's there's like it's being reflected and it it feels way better it doesn't feel good because it doesn't feel um whole it still feel it felt unhauled and then it's getting reflected and in that process like the investigation or the inquiry like retracing all the way to that causal level and investigating like what were my assumptions like in my childhood and in my life like growing up without a dad hmm wow yep and so then there's an automatic assumption of like my picture of being raised by just my mom does not fit the classic picture of all my friends that i go and hang out with where it's mom and dad and a brother or sister or whatever and and then just really healing that like really just shining the light of awareness love light on that at that causal level and seeing how the i am that awareness love light is prior to that causal level and just really bringing that forth into illumination and then just naturally there's a transmutation at the causal level of the i am unholeness to i am whole and then i am whole gets to express itself more and more into the mind and into the physical and and it feels just a lot more light um and so that's that's what i would say my core right now of my experience of what i'm going through and it's because of this container like it's because of been tenured because of the team it's because of you got to just take it from the understanding that after like 15 years of studying like you talked about ascended masters after 15 years of studying the patterns of how consciousness expresses itself and understanding the nature there's just the level of of mastery that is present in the field and that is able to really tune into things that are this subtle and and shepherd other selves to tune into things this subtle and then to purify where they're coming from and serve the mission is at a more actualized highest possible level so that's on my end and do you feel like commenting on that before so good it's so good yeah because i i resonate with it one that's it's uh i think we're at very similar uh at least it looks and like it felt the same as what you were describing um where where it is you know i think on the journey what's what's really cool about nls and this is what i'll say in response to that on the having the container of nls and having the reflections be made available to you and and also being trained to spot the subtleties like we're being trained to we've been we've we've been trained and we're continually being trained to like our attention is being brought back to the subtleties why to desensitize i feel um ourselves not and when i say desensitize i kind of mean it in a reverse way where it's like not like to not be so reactive to rather to allow yourself to be just present with your shit and and allow yourself to see the fruits of what happens when you do that and when you allow yourself to go there and see how indestructible you are you said something a long time ago to me um on actually i think it was a kid a guide training call where you said it in there where safety equals indestructibility and that's exactly what's being shown to us and as individuals in this container and with each individual experience i hear it from from each person as well you know their own experience like they always come to this realize and i realized i can't be touched by that it's uh what's that in a course of miracles nothing real can be threatened um nothing unreal exists that's one of my favorite i haven't even hopped into the course of miracles but like read that and got started like it got i it's funny i discovered that saying before i discovered a course of miracles nothing real can be threatened nothing unreal exists and at a certain point i thought that i came up with it on my own which is really funny because i was saying it anyways and then i discovered a course of miracles it was like it came from somewhere um in a sense i did um but yeah so so that's what's what's kind of unique about this container is the the opportunity to really do the seeking work in a way where you're supported by other individuals who are going through their own processes and their own things and also in a way that doesn't um i i really like that it's not hippie-ish you know and and i think that there is a sense of um of knowing why we're not doing it that way um that that has been clearly um conveyed to each member of nls why like that hippie-ish way of approaching it and and i don't mean this in a way of judgment of hippies for the record uh what this is is more of a pointing to a maturity in the balance of love and wisdom and um i'm not sure if i should i feel like that's a really great like big subject that we could go into i don't want to go like down that rabbit hole just yet it's a good that's important that's good that you mentioned and then also just to briefly clarify um in that kata guides call i remember the context of it it was what it was somebody in a kata had um arose the experience of unsafety and then yeah yeah and then um kori uh brought up that like to reflect on like where is the unsafety and bentinho does this a lot too but show me some of the unsafety give me a little piece of it um and then kori said that line that the only true real safety is absolute indestructibility and that's just so so good yeah safety equals indestructibility um and that's that's a good one so there's the context for that so basically we have profound little nuggets that are shared like that and um and so now i would like to do yeah your um your experience as well if you feel like it's good timing for that and then we can wrap perfect cool i love it i um so if i feel into my experience it's right now in this moment because that's all there really is um i i definitely feel like a shift has already occurred in terms of where i feel myself coming from nowadays and today even um there's there's been this process that we've been undergoing in nls where we're we're coming from the end result essentially and i feel that for some time in this process there was a lot of confusion between my old self and the self that i was becoming because there was parts of the old self that just could not survive in this new version of self that i'm creating myself to be self actualizing myself as um and so similar to what you were saying where it's like my process kind of has been looking like it is continuing to look like this this going to the root like i i did i never thought of it in the way that you mentioned it which is the causal layer but there was there was a process that i went through um actually while i had covid about a week and a half ago and i i felt like because nothing real can be threatened and nothing unreal exists that i was already vibrationally feeling pretty low so i was already in the vicinity of those lower thought forms so it was a perfect environment for shadow work to occur and my conviction was such that um i i didn't i didn't feel like it would drag me down further rather it was just a really like great condition and perfect point for me to do the work and when i when i did it um i went through this kind of loop like kind of reversed i went backwards in time it ends into myself if that makes sense and this is all imaginary i guess you could say and said myself as a child and you know to my and even beyond that so like myself as like just coming into existence and then what manifested out of that and and i and i and i went with the preconceived notion by the way i that all is creation and that i have created the world that i live in the this earth that i live on i created it so i went with that as like my kind of my intuitive birthing point i guess you could say of this experience and so when i did that i felt um i i felt a lot of deep pain in like that the that our world is in and i i was like well my judgments of this world are what have created my experience of this world i know that so if i can if i can come from a place of acceptance and and say that i am all of this like all of this trauma that i'm observing right now like i am that so i am and and i started going through like i wrote out a list and like i let myself get really angry and i let myself get like really um just all these things that i don't normally exhibit like all these emotions that i would normally not because i just don't see a point in it really it's not that i'm suppressing it i just don't want to but i was like well let me go there then if i'm so if i feel like i'm so comfortable with let me actually go there and allowed myself to and and some of the things that i wrote out were i am a murderer i am uh and you know there were these these individuals in society that i would maybe have a judgment towards that i could come to in this experience in that time frame of this process to actually have a genuine love and acceptance for regardless and see them as creator not in approval of the acts or in actions but so so there was this this clean separation that that occurred in that process for me um of and this this is this is where the juices i think in my process right now was through that i was able to see how i am how my judgment of myself has been creating this unworthiness to be to exist at all like i have this judgment of myself as being or i had this judgment of myself as being less than so on the other end murderer is on one end of the spectrum and then the other end of the spectrum is i don't know like people who i look up to and who i see as very enlightened beings you know things like that and like comparing myself to them and things like that so that so like two ends of the spectrum of my human experience that i wanted to actually just go through and say i am all of that i am so so i allowed myself to go there but what i realized in that was that i am um that that it was okay to act like i felt the relaxation happen that kind of just completion in that moment where it was like i feel like i can actually sense that it's there and therefore it exists and therefore i have access to it and therefore and therefore and therefore and therefore and it started becoming more of a possibility whatever it is but like that that i think it's just deep inner acceptance that just started to just it's been growing consistently every day and i have access to that now and it's it's really beautiful because you know i've had layers of that in the past but i think there was a traumatic experience that i locked myself down in from like experiencing that and this was a relationship that i entered that i allowed myself to like i was it's pretty arrogant in a sense that i was trying to awaken somebody who did not want to be awakened right and i was convinced that i could because i everything i was touching at that time was turned into gold so of course i'm like i i can yeah absolutely i can do god's work you know but i didn't have the wisdom to understand when somebody does want to and when somebody does not want to be awakened um so so that caused you know quite a karmic loop for myself and i locked myself down and i stopped trusting myself um and because there was like this self betrayal in the process sexually as well in the relationship where i was i knew i shouldn't be in it anymore but i stayed in it because the sex was so great and um things like that so there was so even that was like a point of acceptance along that spectrum was like i'm a sexual deviant you know like really letting myself accept that and and even if i'm not expressing it right now but to accept that and say i am that so that i don't have that judgment present has changed my perception of the world um and people who i interact with with this real like there's a real layer of non-judgment that's present now that was not there and i'm not saying it's flawless i still have judgments but there is this beautiful beautiful like backing of just love there that um that nls has given me access to in terms of the tools and techniques and the teachings um that and the space holding you know these containers and just seeing people go through their process talking to somebody like you and hearing you be vulnerable allows me to be vulnerable um and so it's the power of group work you know i i did we're coming full circle here because i did say i i um i had a hard time with group work earlier on and now i just feel like fuck this is awesome like this is so good it's so good and yes the individual work still gets to happen but for some reason i made that mutually exclusive in my mind entering into the container because well i would say it's a fear of intimacy that created that experience but then once you you really get around people you know in nls um you come you come to see like dude everyone's here for the same reason they all just want to know themselves as creator and accept themselves and then as you say express yourself as is that what's that from know yourself accept yourself it's in your bio yeah know yourself become the creator the three steps yes rock communicates and love one yeah and that's it and that's you know that's why we do these processes i'm sure to to somebody who's never heard of this stuff it's like why the fuck would you call yourself a murderer and why would you sit in you know i look i like to i like to see it from from that lens too and and just anyways um beautiful it's cool it's it's really it's really um beautiful yeah it's the word thank you yeah it is and you sharing your healing and your uh deepening of accepting who you are and you sharing how now by doing that process everything up until this point was just this most beautiful precious fuel for the flower blossoming and now like the aroma is like the illumination and so now you're you're emanating more and more and then that's where the shepherding gets to actualize itself and that's where the true freedom is found in that where the there's nothing more beautiful we could say than when other self feels contracted seeking freedom and then we we we we shepherd through our own illumination through our own transmutation and then they also get to transmute into a lumen to shift from a more contracted to a more boundless free energy yeah love it love it dude those poetry those yeah i love you too man so much this is really i love you too brother i can't wait to give you a big hug so oh man so good yeah what a rocket together dude yeah this was epic um almost makes me want to start like a a podcast with you and interview like grow the you know what i mean like oh yeah we've had we've had a lot of um expressions of that like uh you know like romay and kori um with the light touch and uh sort of like tuning into like the actualization of that and like just um obviously both of us now uh you know tuning into interviewing more people and nls and stuff so so um who knows there may be some uh some juicy little uh some co-hosty stuff that might be pretty cute um so yeah so who knows the little uh the the what uh the the you have the the romay and kori and then who knows maybe there's a mirror and atlas and and then just maybe we have a exciting conversation with the four and like bring people into that as well so there's all these great mixes uh of that as well and so that's the power when we come together like within no limit society we can move mountains together we can actualize shambhala growing from the hundreds into the thousands into the millions of people just fully awake actualized prosperous and just an ongoing birthday party um boom yeah oh that's so good that's from kanye west that's from kanye west because yeah because when he ran in 2020 he said i want to call my party the birthday party every day should be a birthday every day should be that celebration on earth you know that's my interpretation of the birthday party and so um why the fuck not and it already is for so many people that are tuned into nature um but the stress and the anxiety and the depression and the separation that's not um where we're heading so um yeah bro so much yeah there's a lot of um man i love you too bud and there's so much that uh to the to the i just want to make this point because it felt relevant with what you just said to the point of the stress and anxiety and all that because there's there's sure to be people who watch this who have experience that are which is still god which is important which is still god god yeah it's god has anxiety and depression yes totally totally and it's being it's it's currently naturally being transmuted so a lot of you know your guys's processes out there may also not be yours actually none of it is yours to to really put it truthfully um in the first place so i don't know i felt like there might be some solace down in that that you know also take it take it easy on yourself and give yourself the love that you deserve you are a loving and loved being and you're more than capable of you know every single um growth opportunity that lies ahead of you and if you do feel called nls is a great great place to not only meet that bar but to exceed it into give that to others as well um so just wanted to share that beautiful and so find the no limit society links in the bio also on simulation you can find the links to all of zamir's all of zamir's insights as well as his uh his his instagram his website you can check out all those links on simulation and then on insights you can find my links as well um and also we would love for you guys to subscribe to our youtube channels um if you haven't yet also um like the videos on the channels that helps up rank them in the algorithm um comment below with your thoughts on the episode also share the video if the video made a profound influence on you share it with other people that you feel like it would profoundly move and let's get the word out baby um beautiful and infinite love to you guys fam thank you yeah big love to you guys and uh i love you buddy i can't uh this was awesome this is so good so good thank you man so good cool so good bro it's the beginning of a beautiful flowering creation together so yes yes i feel it cool bye guys love you bye guys take care