看這個可以讓大家很熱血的一個電影請問我可以說幾句話嗎?請坐一下對不起中全開始他的學習在北京電影學院在2004年前一陣子他在中國的社會市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場市場所以他的經驗在經驗中和前一陣子的學習影響了他的電影風格他非常美麗 看起來很驚訝但不論是美麗我認為中全的觀眾和觀眾對於中全的電影有關的影響是他的影響力和興趣他真的很關心他很關心這些人他也很關心他的影響和影響當你看到他的影響你真的可以看到他的情緒和信心和關心這些人和這些問題他的影響是中全的最新一部電影今天是歐洲的代表所以我們很幸運這部電影主要是一個不 familiar world of Taiwanese wrestlers他 was fascinated by this tightly knit group of peopleand used the camera to follow the main characterslooking into this little known worldAs audience we are taken into the world of Taiwanese amateur wrestlersand providing an illuminating perspectiveon a very unfamiliar and quite unique aspectof Taiwanese life and cultureThis film gives us an insight of these larger in life charactersand raises a quite philosophical questionabout the blurring boundaries between reality and illusionthe real and unreal and truth and falsityAgain we will have the opportunity to ask questions like last nightafter the screeningbut before we start the filmus usual I will have to not have towe would like to thank all the support we gainedfrom the ministry of cultureand also very generous donation from Dr. Samuel Yinwithout this supportwe would not have been able to put downall these interesting and quite unusual eventsso thank you for coming hereI know probably it's not a very familiar topicfor quite a lot of the audience here to get to knowso that's why I make it more interestingthank you very muchand thank you so much to be hereany questionsyes Dean pleasehold on let me write it nowyesonce again it was beautifully madeyes once again it was beautifully madeit was a different perspectiveand more intimatemeaning that there was more closeness with the charactersgetting to know them and their livesagain why this subjectwhere did the idea come from for this subjectyes ok他說他覺得這部電影拍得很美而且觀眾與電影之間的人物的關係是非常親密的你幾乎是跟他們做朋友一樣但是重點是說他問你為什麼選這個題材這個題材滿特別的運動的題材非常的多但是我後來發現唯一有一個題材他跟其他的運動就是這種運動跟其他運動是最不一樣的地方是他基本上是一個表演那以往我們在拍紀錄片的時候比如說我拍其他的球類運動他就是靜靜就是為了勝負為了一個榮耀為了冠軍或什麼的但是這個運動他其實最終勝負並不是重要的他重要的是台下的觀眾所以他很特別特別是他其實都是套好招的其實也就是說如果有人認為他是打假的但是這也讓我在做紀錄片的角度來講變成一個很特殊的視角變成說我拍紀錄片是拍真的對吧我拍他們是真的但是你們現在記得裡面的人你們記得他的本名嗎你們記得可能叫做藍面可能記得靈紅那個龍老或者什麼鬼魂什麼之類的人答對了就是代表你們認識的這個人其實是擂台上的這個人所以很有趣的時候就變成我拍他現實生活但其實這些人他是把他擂台上的他走進了到他的現實生活但是很有趣的是我拍他擂台上的他是表演對不對其實應該是假的其實是一個表演但是對這些小人物而言他其實更認為自己找到了一個角色然後能夠很真實的讓自己在擂台上展現真正的那個自己那那個時候那那個時候他覺得那個更真實對於他自己而言那這就很有趣的就是我對做紀錄片而言我拍他現實的生活但他其實是用他想像的那個角色在對我演但是對他而言更真實但是對我拍紀錄片而言好像那是在拍他演所以這就變成他出現一個完全有別於以往我們拍紀錄片的一個很特殊的一個視角OK希望我記得這麼多OKThere are so many different kind of sportsand mainly for the purpose of competitionand the glory and the championshipSo the only kind of alternative kind of sportsis wrestlingis of sportnot for the sake of the glory of winningbut for the glory of establishingcertain kind of relationship with the audienceSo his performanceis for the sake of the audienceand it's a kind of performancedifferent kind of a performance of courseand so when he was doingdifferent kind of a filmingfor example like basketballsorry baseball or footballthese are very differentthis kind of sports is kind of set upthey sort of have one after anotherkind of like martial arts filmsyou know you have one after anothersort of sets of movementsso they were fakesbut are they really fakesbecause they areyou feel as real as the real thingsand for examplehe asked youdo you remember their real namesyou remember what their namesblue mask懶面or dragon manbut you don't remember their real namesthe reason why is for themalthough he's following themon the stagebut at the same timereally you are following themas a true charactersaround and living their real livesso that's why at the beginningI was sayingyou knowit's really interesting to look atthe blurring boundariesbetween the real and the unrealand also he saidwhen he filming these peoplein their daily livesthese people live their livesthrough a fantasy selfon the stageand maybe for themthat's more realthan the true selfso the image they projectedon stagesort of imaginary selfand in their real lifethey can't live that sort of lifeso this is anotherdouble life they can leadand with certain kind of pleasureI hope I did it rightno no noyes Minye pleasethank you very muchI really enjoyed itI asked many questionsbut I just asked twofirstly I want to knowwhen you show this filmin Taiwan the audience receptionwhat kind of feedback did you getand my second question isactually in this filmI think one thing come outreally strong is that romancesorryyou know the romance between menso it's not a romancebut a romanceso I'm just wonderingwithin all the sportsis it because ofrestly this particular sportnow create thatvery special sensethat kind of bond between menor it's actually becausespecific kind of peopleget attracted to these sportshence was manifestedit's because of these characters themselvesunfortunatelyyou know you are bilingualso can you repeat yourquestion in Chineseand thenI can thank youthis film is reallyreally interestingso I want to ask two questionsthe first question iswhen you broadcast in Taiwanthe audience receptioncan you explain讓我當簡一下台灣觀眾對這部電影的理解回饋然後第二個就是就這部影片因為我知道你拍很多有關運動的紀錄片那運動它當然其實對人之間的感情其實是非常強烈的但是我們所看到這個restly這個片子本身這些成員之間的那個很強烈的男性的男性的是非常非常突出非常突顯那我就不知道說它的這個突顯的程度跟其他的那個運動其實是類似的嘛是因為這個運動本身帶來這個男性情情之間這麼強烈的bonding還是其實因為是特這些特殊人會受到摔角吸引的人是不是有某種特性所以他們之間的那個bonding是因為他們人本身的性格還是是因為摔角造成這個特別的bonding第一個問題在台灣放映的時候因為說實話這個題材在台灣尤其在摔角其實在台灣不是那麼受到矚目然後其實也沒有經費也沒有什麼其實這部片比我上人部片的製作預算更少但是它更難更難拍所以其實拍的所以花花的時間比我上一個那種兩岸題材其實花的經歷更大有好多的人然後這麼複雜的事情所以其實拍攝製作非常的辛苦那但是在台灣放映的時候其實有來看的人反響都很好但是因為有礙於實在沒有宣傳的預算所以只有在台北跟高雄各一個地方放映而已然後就兩個禮拜可以說就草草結束了至少不是一天對但是有來看的人都還滿特別的收穫因為會有別於跟他們以前看紀錄片那種很客觀很真實什麼那種印象很不一樣但是也有人不是很能接受因為他感覺好像在看不知道到底看的是真的還是假的但是其實對於我創作者而言那我就達到目的了我就是要讓觀眾看完那片子之後他不知道是真的是假的但是他看進去了然後他接受了他不會去在那邊很在那些什麼真的假的那些什麼有些紀錄片只要有一場有一點假說實話那部紀錄片就失敗了但是我這部片我就是要讓他看起來好像有點真又好像有點假但是他從頭到尾也沒有辦法完全反駁我那這就是我要做的所以這就我希望做一個很可能還滿大膽的採用喪事但是這部片在去年參加一些影展也沒有獲得太多的入圍我也不知道什麼原因但是沒有關係對OK 我先我先回答那個第一第一個問題鍾全文是說其實在台灣不是那麼好不是那麼好獲得因為沒有資金沒有資金沒有賺錢或賺錢其實只有雄在台北和高雄兩個地方只有兩個星期因為是挺有趣的他說很多人都挺有趣他們喜歡我希望你們也喜歡但是有些人很難得獲得因為當人們去拍攝通常你會想到非常有趣非常有趣如果有這種期望你來拍攝這部片你突然覺得你不確定他說他覺得他的目標已經成功目標已經成功因為他想創造這種有趣的觀眾因為他想創造這種有趣的與事實與事實與事實與事實與事實與事實與事實因為通常人們創造有趣的錄影是100%有趣的但不是他想的如果你騙了拜託讓他這是我所說的對不起但是他進入很多國際錄影但不是很成功我覺得他說他不確定為什麼但我我猜你可以把自己的決定不是開始的不是人們選擇去如果你說我猜大家都想知道所以我覺得他覺得有點好第二個問題另外你問的就是說他們互相之間的情誼或者是這些那我覺得其實任何人都一樣包含我自己一樣我們總是找一件事情讓自己去扮演某一個角色然後也許他是一個夢想也許他也是一個寄託就像我也不見得我真的想當一個導演但是我可能就是大過於做什麼導演身份就像他們一樣他們可能享受那個掌聲享受那個很微薄的短暫的那個肯定可能其實遠遠高過於他需要不斷的訓練不斷的受傷不斷的受到很多的質疑或什麼的大家只是找到某一個角色讓自己感覺自己好像還存在就像那個龍老他曾經有說我需要靠痛來讓自己自己活著因為他生活他壓抑了他可能沒有任何的人生中沒有任何的什麼肯定所以就是很多的紀錄片他會去很主觀的會去認為我要去拍弱視比如說三里的小孩什麼比較偏遠的一些狀況的一些各式各樣的人什麼災區什麼這樣的但我始終就覺得真正的弱視不應該只是我們由我們來這樣沒有事情的狀況我們去看到好像有災害的人他們叫做弱視很多時候三里頭的那些小朋友他可能很開心很快樂他的快樂指數可能比我們還要高來得高那誰才是真正的弱視我覺得真正的弱視是像我們身旁很多人有的人對性的傾向的弱視對吧然後也有的人長得不夠帥交不到女朋友這也是弱視然後也有人各式各樣的所以我覺得這些東西讓這些人團聚在了一塊當然也包括我因為我們共同都被很多人去以為我們就是應該是說被主觀的認識比如說大家覺得做紀錄片就好悶好難看所以我要挑戰我就要做這樣的題材別人認為打摔角怎麼樣怎麼樣他們就做不一樣的事就像五百他剛剛講的他說我們是既勇敢又膽小膽小就是說我們要躲到另外一個世界對吧但是勇敢就是我們創造的另外一個世界OK你其實沒有回答他的問題不過我先把你的答案講一講OK SorryI might be a bit pickyI told 忠誠You didn't really answer her questionOK Never mind回答對待OKI thinkMaybe 忠誠 approached this differentlyHe felt thatin lifeyou sort of dedicate yourself into doing somethingnot necessarilyfor a particular purposefor exampleyou chase a dreammaybe not realisticor you want to do somethingto occupy yourselffor exampletake himself for examplehe saidI like to make documentariesnot because I like to be a directorso it is very differentyou are not taking up a roleto do somethingyou do somethingbecause you like to do thatOKSorryandrightso for these peoplewhat they wantedto reallyget is thedifferent side of themselvesand applausethey can getwhen they are on the stageandand astragon man saidthrough painthat suddenly you realizeyou are aliveit isbecause his lifeso miserableso oppressedso through this sort ofalmost like glorified painthat he feltthe sense of livingand he saidhe didn't liketaking subject mattersuch asreally miserabledisasters orminoritiesand he felthe asked youwho are the minoritiesfor examplewho are the real minoritiesis it only those peoplethat live in the mountainsthey don't have much materialstuffor your conveniencesor electronic devicesall these peopleactually are happierthan you guysso who are the minoritiesthe weaker onesthe poorer onesamong usmaybe are thosesexually are the minoritythey couldn't really express themselvesall those look quite uglyall feel verynot very confidentabout their looksso it is really to do withnot always to do withall these minoritiesand these peopleget it togethermaybe because theythey have the same sort oftheir same sort ofminorities side of themandhe saidhe doesn't believedocumentary should focus ononly really boring stuffor really miserable topicshe feltyou knowsometimesyou canchallenge the conventionalway of approachand just likethe rock starrock star saidactuallywhen people are both timidand bravethey escape from the realityactually they createa dream worldso it isvery differentprobably not that differentfrom us actually我是觉得導演已經算是見接的有回到的問題不過對不過其實並於無人的歸咎症之間的確應該說像像我們研究電影的特別是研究五峽電影其實特別是有提到說或者是那個比方說香港那些晶片就是男人之間其實我們知道他們不是同性戀但是他們之間那個非常特別的情誼跟比方說好萊塢的晶粉片那種男性情誼實際上是有一些差距的所以其實因為看到你這個片子我看到裡面所陳述的這些男性的情誼有非常多那樣所以其實我其實是在思考這是因為文化的關係還是因為事實上是角色的關係還是事實上是體育就是這個運動本身的關係所以其實只是想要瞭解看就是我自己本身裡面不是有一段他們在洗澡對