 Welcome to the 1878 FM podcast. We're we're saying it's episode 18. We've been given that little bit of information Yeah, I think we'll go with 18. We'll go with it 18 sounds good. We are of course joined by and the bush And David's old number as well, isn't it? It is it? It's you know, it's Yeah, it's great. You know, and there's other players of all level Phil Neville tremendous footballer that he wants Yeah, it's all good. It's all good anyway gentlemen Since we last spoke Evan have gone out of another trophy. Um, it's obviously isn't great But how did you how did you find? Friday night and our old traffid The man that you see to think it was all right. Did you okay? I thought it was better. Yeah, no genuinely I thought I thought the score line flattered United slightly on balance and And I think that actually at least at least we saw performance, you know, we didn't win But I thought that the performance was much improved And that can only be a good thing. So actually I wasn't too disappointed with Friday night. Okay, the only issue is any time we've had a tin helmets saving private Ryan style show of Resilience which either ends in a draw or like a heroic defeat You always think well, this could be the turning point This could be it he's finally getting a tune out of them and then they turn around and absolutely Stack it in the next game. So, um Those little moments. This is what's been so cruel about being an epitome in in the past couple of seasons Those moments of hope are actually just a little prelude to just something even even worse It's even worse than you thought it was before that's couple of seasons last couple of decades. Yeah, it's brutal Can I ask you gentlemen for a go to a pet is that we're talking about, you know, both the idea of You know, Dave saying it was better Deeper bit of a performance in and the same show little shooter of hope and then with next game We let them down is that how much stock do you place on the manager for that or is it the players? I think it has to be the players for me You know, I think I genuinely believe as we all do. I think that Frank wants to wants to win every game I mean granted we've been critical of some of his changes in the formation in the last few weeks Maybe that wasn't the right thing So I think that he has to be criticized there and he has to be a couple more there But I think really this this hot and cold thing Has to be predominantly down to the players I mean true. I mean God if Demari Gray had end product wouldn't it be such a different Everton over these past couple of seasons as well So it's good to see him kind of firing But it's a bit about bit of both isn't it like definitely a lot of it is sometimes on the players and their bravery and all That kind of thing but but also I think there are moments where he does set up a bit weird Frank And I feel like sometimes people don't really know exactly what they're supposed to be doing I've had enough of a drisser gaze incredibly casual way of playing the ball like he's Cruisin, you know, I mean like in a Champions League game It's just a it's just you know last couple of minutes four or five and that kind of plays like that sometimes So I think a few individual players can could pull their socks up a little bit to use an old-fashioned phrase So I think it's like a myth. It's a mix of the two But you do want I mean the Southampton game is everything now, isn't it? So it's all down to that pretty much Absolutely, I mean Yeah, to be honest I Slight I agree and disagree with both both days because I I generally put it all on all on the manager because Simplified the game for plays. These are not the best players No, the Marigre comments the Marigre had any kind of consistency He wouldn't play for everything because he'd be a good player in person. You know what I mean, but I think you got a simplify for the team I think I think these the formation is Or we look better in a formation like like that and like the Manchester City game It allows us to become more of more of the underdog and more of the fighter And I think I have a lot of respect where we are and we're not we've almost got a look at it and think 19 teams are better than us. Mm-hmm So so why are we trying to take trying to be better than them or you know? And I think that's that formation gets more out of the place and gets more out someone like the Marigre Because he's he's got loads of space ahead of him and he can run with the ball It was marginally better, but as we said yesterday when we did the final word You did feel like it was a championship team going to a Premier League team just had to hang in the game Rather than rather than taking taking the game to man United Which is what we're not really capable of doing anyway, so I understand I think they are tactics going forward. It's sad it's not It's I would like to I wouldn't say it's not great to watch because what we wanted against Brighton Jesus Christ No one wants that in their lives. That was absolutely abysmal. So I Just continue with that because I think that's how you get the most out of players Yeah, anything that we're at such a different we play so differently to all the other teams that we play We're just such a different Worryingly different level to them whether it's going forwards compactness the way that we manage a game fitness fitness level I just feel I mean I was moaning on Twitter the other night about we always since we blowing out of our arse It's all made a very good point that it's because we never have possession. Yeah Do you I mean? There's just loads of issues where I look at other teams like you like you say the Brighton thing the other the other night We mentioned this on last week's podcast you look at anything my god I'd give anything just to play a little bit like that look a little bit like that. Do you mean? Yeah, I Don't necessarily agree that 19 teams are better than us for what I would say is we know what I think we should A lot of the time we do act like 19 teams are better than us I think if we I think it for now, I think we said this a while ago But for now, I think he just needs to hang on in there with the The fire at the back thing and you know at home try and make it a little bit more attacking as in just by the way They play not necessarily changing it back to four or or what have you because we need to We need to stay in games and we won't be punished by less of teams the way We were punished by Manchester United playing that way and then we looked so much better with the Maree Gray Just off Dominic Oliver Luhn certainly for now until if you know We haven't been trying to do a couple of things in a transfer market, but we are in You know we're on the 10th of January and we haven't got anyone in yet and other people have so this is What you said yeah Exactly what we said and what we feared would happen is the fact that here We are in and you know a third of the month has gone by already and we've got nothing You know I still haven't had any confirmation on that bid for Neymar is yet. You know is it gonna happen or not? We don't have faith it'll happen mate. It's a big fan But you know this is this is the worry. This is you know, we're not gonna You know, I'm just concerned that we're not gonna get anybody to improve Our firepower other than just relying upon the fitness of Dominic Oliver Luhn Which we just know we can't we can't do to be fair Dave the The odds are stacked against us. I mean we were linked to the play yesterday from Laureon's in French and apparently the ball my phone is just gonna buy it Laureon's and sell the play to yourself It's a new way Another approach isn't it? It's a different way of doing things. Isn't it? You know, it's the old day I like the product so much. I bought the company. Well, what Victor Kayam? Lulie there's a target reference ask your parents on that one kids Tag Remington fuzz away, but you know what I mean even things like I mean did they not put it? Or were they looking at Danny Ings on loan which I personally think would have been a good move You know at the moment, but but Villa won't let him go No, not on loan anyway, certainly and if they want like 30 million for them then they can whistle because See the thing I mean I the Laurean thing with Bournemouth. I've had something totally different today But there is an interest there's a few teams after him as well and Seen Newcastle have offered Moukoko 150 grand a week. So we thought Monday's 18 and that kind of thing But for Everton, we've just got it Just got to see what we can do. I just still can't believe we Didn't have a deal in place for these players for the first of January. I believe I'm hearing that. I'm deli alley His contract might be back up again for one might get him back. So that's quite cool It's obviously he's a good player. I mean, I mean he's he's I mean there's a lot lots of people fighting over him I believe yeah We might listen we might need a 45 minute cameo from somewhere Mike me, you know, I think I'd rather have can be all playing for it Any way tremendous Tell you what I mean, these are these are really really up-to-date references We've had it to Kaya and we've had cameo and word up which I think in 1984 I mean, we really are hitting the ground Just on a different angle though a couple of positives though. It's great. See Godfrey back. It was fighting and scrapping Yeah, it seems like a woby a woby thing isn't quite as bad as as it look I just thought it's pure Everton to own goal Alex a woby Yeah, I mean, but that's at least a bit of a bit of a bonus as well. So there's a couple of there's a couple of Encouraging happens to Andrew Andrews Townsend. Where the hell is Townsend? Yeah, the ship Well, he went the way I cut did me and and unfortunately was for ITV commentary Another step I'm out of step back. I mean, I don't know. Yes. That's it. Isn't it? The ship the step back was probably Yeah, not training. We got money for it. We sold like a brother yesterday. I'm we go we got More than a million quid. So, you know, we've got money for an academy player. That's a big if that isn't I thought that we were we were recalling broad head for us We were bringing him back for them offload him to No, he was on Dave. I've got breaking news for you. He's not very good You're not Premier League level, obviously. No, I mean, you'll do well. It's rich. You will do well, and he gets Pre-tickets to see Ed Sheeran Ed Sheeran Ed Sheeran Ed Sheeran Ed Sheeran Ed Sheeran Ed Sheeran He's going to see the real thing in it later. I've got tickets for Peds here What's this just sleeping I was here at 10 to 12 Sleeping with a loop pedal Yeah, I mean coming on to it was mentioned before obviously this week is a You know, said this a few times. It's embarrassing to be saying this, but this is a huge football match for Everton on Saturday in terms of where Everton are and where Where they are and how well we've done at home lately, which is for defeats on the run Against most teams who've been below us. This one Simply can't go the way if the others everton have to win or I think that is the end of the manager Personally I think you're right. I think you're right. If they don't pull something out of the bag against Adamson But you know, you can fully see it go in the way of the others though I mean, I can I can totally see Salampton come into to Goodison and turning is over You know, there's something changed a bit of Goodison like obviously last season was all the blue Float smoke flares and you know welcoming the team into the stadium and stuff like that And that was a huge part I think of getting us over the line finally saving our skin last season So it was an amazing thing, but something has changed a little bit of good isn't it? I think there's a you can feel that kind of tension I think the players can sense that as well just because some of the appalling performances So it's not quite the you know, at least at Goodison. We've got the crowd behind you thing Which you mean the crowds behind you, but I feel like the relationship between The Goodison faithful and the team is just slightly on a knife's edge as well And you can sense that with home games. I don't think that I don't think the thing with the fans is I don't think the fans were actually particularly sort of I mean I'll just say this they're obviously behind the team But they weren't the stuff last season wasn't because we've got all these amazing plays that we love We were just trying to drag them over the line and think when you hold a match now It's just it's just soul destroying it really is it's like there's a tape I think the the Leicester game was a big a big Kicking the teeth and then obviously we followed up with the away games of Bournemouth and and then coming back and seeing what happened on boxing days It's just no one actually believes in that ground that I can see that word that word Do you think there's any optimism going forward? And obviously we've seen that this week with and Different fan protests and the letter that went in and things like that and stuff That's planned for Saturday people have just had enough now like you can't get any closer to the drain We are in terms of the whole club like in terms of like well if you buy a couple of players What does it mean? No way? What's Frank? What's the situation with Frank Lampard? What's the situation with finances people have just had enough now? And I don't think even though there is a bus welcome. I think plan for Saturday I don't think fans feel like they've got the energy to do any more than what they've done already and you do You know, I do see people Make some Criticized fans and stuff we go to games, but it's not easy. Honestly, it's not easy going the game every week I mean we were I am in the goddess We stand the entire game and you feel exhausted before you go in because you just feel like you feel like you've you know You're not done that good night's sleep or whatever. It does it does drain people and Something has to happen at this football club soon because it's only it's only going one way and that's not even that's not even you know We survived this year. What happens in the summer if there's no money on you know what I mean The thing that's been the most frustrating I think it's just been the lack of communication from the club the other way. Do you mean that they've not really said anything, have they? No, that's that's that's because I think that they are they know that they're gonna get criticized You know, I don't I don't think there's really any relationship between the board and the fans at the moment because of the board understand they The animosity that is felt by the fans in the ground, you know outside the ground everywhere And and I don't really think they know what to say Yeah, and part but part that because you say there's no relationship because this is what they always do They always duck in cover and wait for her all to blow over and then come back out again with some kind of You know saying if there's a win or something they'll put or after the city game They're putting all kinds out the club just hides a cow is in a bunker till it all blows over far machete doesn't go to games Bill Kenmay got off a tunel of Brighton, you know, he's the world's biggest ever, Tony and and and the others just sit there and get in and bear it But they're untouchable they think they're untouchable And I think they're gonna get a rude awakening now because I don't think this one's going away because I just think there's not There's always been a shield and last year Rafa Benitez was the shield and this year People I've said people going why aren't more people having to go with Frank and it's like well, what's the point? Why there's no need to mix the there's no need to mix the anger point the anger in one direction Franco fall we all know that he's gonna get sacked If we don't win on Saturday, you'll get sacked or you'll hang on and and you know and it could end up being a situation where it's Frank Lampard All the board time or Frank Lampard versus the board in terms of the fans eyes because if you're a fan and you still back Frank And you look at the situation he's in with not buying players Then you're you're almost fighting his corner for you and and it's it's it's such a horrible situation to be in Because they they they thought the club thought at the end of the season that there was some kind of unity And that we all thought everything was rosy because we all backed Frank where most people were just exhausted by the fight And yes, they backed Frank, but he never backed the board. So it was all all again built on sand as always Well, we've only got ourselves to blame I think one of the issues with the tail end the last season I mean I got contacted by a few people about the you know this campaign of getting up and walking out before the end of The game and all that kind of stuff But because it came down towards such a you know vital last few games of the season people were conflicted I think a lot of people agreed with them about you know, you need to do something about the board We need to make a statement But at the same time, you know, you need to do what you could as fans to get Everton Over the line and just at least save the club and then you know save our position in the Premier League and go from there So this time as you were saying pet I think that the warnings are there a lot earlier on We've got a hell of a lot more left of the season And then we're seeing the same stuff happening again So I think maybe this is why this stuff's getting people are getting on board now It's like well We can make a point now without jeopardizing the kind of you know future of the club and you position as a fan They go along and support and try and help the parallels with last season are unbelievable. Oh, you know Christmas, you know first game of the new year Brighton at home The one yeah, the good points, you know Well, we do we got the heroics or its city, but we've got the heroics or a Chelsea last year Then lose the next game. It is the first game of the new year at home to Brighton We then go and okay last year We went to Holland one which give Benitez a stay of execution Lampard the players don't all write a guest to a point on Friday, which give him a stay of execution And then we had the bottom of the table team in the next game now for Raphael Benitez It was not at last season and they beat us and he was gone and for Frank It's Southampton a hole and and if we wait us if the waist does come to the waist and Southampton do beat Evan at the weekend Don't see any way out equally can't survive. It was a last five. Yeah, least seven on the run before they beat Palace in the Cup of the weekend, but We will be in the same we beat the middle of January again with no reinforcements and no manager With a transfer window open So it's just it is crazy that the only differences obviously we'd have one game This is West I'm away then we've got no game due to us being locked up near fake up So there will be that period of time, but you know It's bad though, isn't it because like if you if you own a business and if you're in business Like wouldn't you wouldn't you take last season and what are the learnings from even if you work? I used to work at bloody pontines holiday camp needs to do like quarterly updates on you know How we can you know people used to leave tap stripping it cost them thousands every year At least do it explanations to us and how you can go around and check the taps if you're gaining any shallows So at least even there they've got some kind of like thought ahead of trying to have a save Visibility. Yeah, they're not got anything like that every time. I just don't I just don't get it I don't get it. It's exactly exactly to your point Andy the fact that In many ways the significance of the of the Palace win last season was to me not just the fact that They've avoided relegation But it was the fact that this was never gonna happen again Does that make sense? You know, it was it was almost I wasn't just looking at it in terms of last season I was actually looking at it in terms of you know, sort of the immediate future and by that I mean the next two three even five years I was I was almost thinking well, you know based on that at least we're gonna be in the top flight going into the new ground You know in little things whereas now And I can't believe as you say the fact that nothing has been learned by what we all went through last season And in fact the situation is now worse And our predicament is more dire um, our position is more under threat and Genuinely, I mean, I think If we were to sit here now and say right You know with 20 games to go. What do we think? Staying up or going down Um, I personally and I dearly hope i'm wrong. I think we're going down. I agree with you I think we're going down. I do as well. I think we're going down because I think I think we're one of the worst three teams in the league genuinely, I mean You look at the teams and you just think Everyone's got something or everyone's trying to buy someone to make them better And we're just sitting there and it is the old meme of the the dog with the fire around them thing And this is okay. This is what I don't get. There's no way it doesn't seem to any agency Got two huge games coming up against against rivals You know in in Southampton at home and West Ham away and there's no there doesn't seem to be any great agency to do anything Or you know, there's no there's nothing coming out of the club You know, we were talking yesterday and saying about like kevin felwell saying Why why couldn't he have he done a a video for the club on for new years down and went listen This is the situation we find ourselves in we find ourselves in with Limited not limited but you can phrase in different ways. You don't want to obviously give too much away we are looking intensively for value for money and because of the well-cups clubs aren't selling straight away because Because of the well-cups players are coming back and dips and jabs and they're not all sure what they've got And they're not willing to sell So we've got to take a couple of weeks and just communicate and you know what you might get fans We go that's a disgrace. But at least fans know what we what where we are right now is none of us have any idea about what the media tell us and Because a lot of the media nationally don't really care about us. There's not too much information Not too much information But at least we know, you know, you if you if someone's going to get bad news You'd rather know they're going to get you'd rather be told the bad news than sit there wonder what's going on And there's lack of communication on the club. It's just it's mad it's It's been going on for years and it's because it's the same people at the football club and and they have the same They have the same Old-fashioned way and we live in it We live in a world now where it's all about constant news 24 seven news And it someone will fill the narrative for them And it's so weird that these people don't understand that and I bet you're evident I've got people working in their in their communications department banging their heads against the wall desperate to get information out that that you know could be used in it To keep damping down the noise and they're probably not being I'm going being allowed to and that's what I find maddening in in in where we are right now But the one is like a I don't know if we talked about do we mention this last week about Stubbs saying that he doesn't get tickets anymore and everything because he's chosen to talk Speak out about the club. Obviously baffles been, you know, it's very public about the state of play The person I always wonder about is is Graham Sharp because he's on the inside right? He's one of the I wonder what his take on things is in terms of a football guy Such a big connection with the tradition of ebbson football club. It's just odd that he don't hear more from him Where's where's sharpie and all of it? Well, he's on the board. Isn't he sits on the board? And you know what mad about game sharp is is that he probably Is has got very strong views about the way the club is And that's probably why he's on the board. It's almost to relate those I would imagine back to them But because he doesn't relate those views back to the fans Then a lot of people will just say well, he's just sitting on the board doing nothing And he's actually there just to appease fans because he's your your dad's hero or your hero or whatever So yeah, and it's it's a weird contradiction because it's like he probably is they going This is not this you know, this is not right. We have certain standards and but Because we're not privy to those conversations. We'll never know and therefore he becomes then someone you can point at going Actually, you're getting a free lunch out of this and people like Alan Stubbs and Neville Southall who speak up Are basically having to pay for their own tickets and and that's what that's what makes that's what I don't understand At all about this situation is you've got great people who've represented ever and speaking up on behalf of the fans and the club and then The people in in positions of power are just like no no you go away We don't know we don't want to make our club better because surely if Neville Southall comes out or Alan Stubbs comes out and says This is not good enough. This is what we need to do You'd listen to them when you bring them all in and go. What can we do to make this club better? What can what can how can we make this club? You've got experience And they don't they push them as far away as they can and go no no We're gonna do it our way and listen if we were Manchester City, I'd go sound mate I'd go sound no issue at all You can't tell us what to do when we've won all these trophies, but we're sitting here again another relegation fight And we all I feel I feel hopeless. I must admit I feel really hopeless at the situation at the moment Because I don't see players coming in and I don't see the board Moving heaven and earth to time make the situation better And that's why I think we'll be relegated is because it just feels inevitable and it's like we're just Slow with like sleepwalking aren't we sleepwalking now But also, you know at what point at what point is it deemed urgent whereby You know, we get the blue smoke flares out and we make it in a hostile and intimidating Atmosphere for people at what point does that kick in because as I say, you know, yeah, we've got 20 games left or whatever it is, but It's as critical and as urgent now as it will be in March And it will be in April and it will be at the beginning of May I mean, how many games did was it 16 games that lampard had last season So Yeah, but but we are what I'm what I mean is we are very much at that sort of No, we are, you know, um, and I I As you say pet, I just feel sort of I feel hopeless about it because I don't think anything's going to change And I just think that we are sleepwalking and and and I genuinely don't know what I don't know what to do about the I don't know what to feel or what to do about the manager situation um because I I do want frank to do well I think there is an inevitability that He will get the sack and at the moment he's sort of dead man walking, which I don't like but then I don't know. We said this so many times. It's like well, who takes over. Yeah, and I just I I don't know. I really I really don't know I mean if we were if we were in a situation now and okay, this is one for head and bars If we're in a situation now Or rather, let's say we're in a situation in a week's time and we've lost against sadampton And you have the call and it's either get rid of frank or keep frank or we bring in someone like dodge. What do you do? What do you do? Do you know what? I find it really hard to answer that Dave because I'm not even thinking in those terms at the moment I'm really not all my anger But I will I will answer I will answer all my anger at the moment is is towards the football club It really is because I think it's so this situation is so desperate That all my anger is in that point in that in that view. I'd sack him personally. I think because I think that I just think that he's conflicted in the way he wants to play and I think anyone who's conflicted doesn't fully understand the situation and how how desperate it is and I think he's I think I think he's When he went from the city game to the Brighton game an almost Disrespected city by a Disrespected Brighton by not realizing how how really really not how good they are, but how much better they are than us I think for me that was a warning sign to me that he can't get out of his own way to Like this idea. I've heard this a few times going. Oh, everything everything fans don't want to see that style of play I'm not asked. I've seen I've seen every style of play under the sun I just want winning football right now I just want football that wins games of football and we score goals and I'm not sure Frank Lampard can produce that I don't think he's got I don't think he's got enough in his in his in his Back pocket to be able to go. I'm going to do this and I'm going to do it Well, I just I think he's got his own style and I don't think it I think it it ropes up against the way that we really do need to play Which was the way we played the city and the way we played at man United and and But then who takes over it's Dice it's very it's something very easy to say someone like dice because he's been in that situation before But then barely sacked him last year. He was going down So it put any I mean, but he done a brilliant job. That's what I think he did. He did a brilliant job But what I might look at is I might look at it someone like Dyson just say Do you fancy six months fancy keeping his open in a contact for next year And if he says no then he says no, you know, there's there's managers out there But what I would say is there's a lot of there are managers out there Who are far superior than frank lampard as managers far superior So there's there's different but here's here's here's the thing though. Surely there there are different There are different managers for different situations and by that I mean that maybe And this is giving him the benefit of the doubt Maybe frank lampard is the wrong manager for where we are as a club at this moment in time In other words, if we were further Down the road in terms of our development that ever happens, but we're in a better situation We had better players and we were in a safe situation Maybe he would then be able to kick on and actually play his sort of football But at the moment what we're talking about is a manager Who just needs to do the absolute basics and I hate to go back to it But you know, we're talking about sam Yeah, we're talking about allotates territory, aren't you know that kind of a manager We're talking about somebody who will literally just sure up the back and hopefully keep them up We we get linked a lot with uh, what's his name? Nuno whatever his name is the best old shantel. Yeah That's that's another one that we get linked to one him Lucian fives has been sucked by niece No, Lucian fives who we should have brought in we should know we should have brought Lucian fiving before we brought franken Lucian fives is a brilliant manager and has worked in Desperate situations Well, that we brought calamansi lotty in three days after after Beggars can't be choosers. Frank Lampard is not up to this at all. He's just not up to this for my eyes I think the problem is that there's no one when you look at it Oh, there's no one who you look and go he would He would do it with anyone. I've had with anyone. I've had the the the Brighton manager I've never heard of him before Exactly, he's done well in it Exactly, but there's loads of managers out there that can get it Of course, he's like a computer generated manager on pro-evo We just need listen, I haven't got me like the woman who's gone and married a ragdoll Which, you know, putting out the other day, you know now now she's having a baby together with the ragdoll Which I don't quite understand. I don't understand how I haven't got you like that Yeah, of course now. I just think I need something else to That's the weirdest segue I've ever had in my life But I just need something to focus on because you've got me thinking about Next one absolute radio Have you ever married a ragdoll? Me and Richie will be talking all about it while making toasties An idea which I did once steal off pet I don't want I don't want But it's the circle of shot now. This pet is outrageous I don't want Sean Dice. He's a red Okay I don't think he's a red thing into it I will. I don't want any more Dive 8s Okay, don't care I don't want any more Dive 8s Dice being a reddish Go on Dave I'm gonna make it easier for you, right? So I'm gonna fast forward in time to a hypothetical situation possibly in about two or three weeks time We have a situation Lampard has been sacked Available are Graham Potter who's lost the Chelsea job Yeah David Moyes who's lost the West Ham job And Sean Dice who is still out of work having lost the Burnley job at the back in the last season Who'd you go for and you have at this point about I don't know 16 games left Curbishly it's time It's time for Curbishly He could save us Which part do you? Parts At least you're seeing Danson You know Matty and that Yeah When we scored the goal Out of those three it'd be Potter for me In a relegation scrap Yeah, but listen David Moyes will have been sacked because he's in a relegation scrap Despite spending copious amounts of money at West Ham We've actually Dice is would have to Let's just let's not muddy the waters Dice was about to be relegated And Burnley Burnley decided he wasn't the right man So you don't believe that we would have kept them up? He wouldn't have kept them up He got rid of them and almost stayed up Dice no Almost He's gone for me Haven't we got Just Haven't we wandered into the Territory of Managerial Say a little shit here Yeah it is Well yeah Because he's got to end up on the same thing as what? Samalatices to fix it But isn't that what we need? No We get him in We get him in Well he comes in I don't think you're appreciating the situation here I don't think I think I am appreciating this I don't think you're No I do I think we've been able to manage As always for the podcast Pets writes in his own mind Well I think Dave backs me here I can back you I think we need a manager Who saves us from relegation And nothing else Hang on Sean Dice was taking Burnley down But there's no proof that he's taking them down though No but he was He sacked them They were awful They sacked them They were awful after he sacked them They were an awful team They won six out of eight games without team A lot of people believe Sean Dice would have saved them Ultimately Burnley fan stones They were celebrating And still are celebrating A lot of people believe he would have kept them up But the point being is The point being is He kept them up for a long time As on no money It's the old So Roberto Martin has kept Wigging off for the last three years It's the old Eddie House situation A boomer A lot of people A lot of people loved him and thought He couldn't do it People laying People laying from experiences And I Manager speculation aside Yeah I don't think the whole Blue smoke thing is ever going to happen again though I think those days are done I think fans would look like mugs If we end up back in that situation again Where we're trying to get in the You know We're you know welcome the Team bus into the ground With the blue smoke again Because it's going to make us like idiots isn't it They think They're doing it on Saturday So I think I think fans will do what they need to do Fans will do it What the hell No the fans will do it Because the They will feel like that's the only way they can And they're right It's the only way they can really influence it They don't play the game They don't make the decisions in the board room They're not Kevin Fell Well So they'll do it I do kind of agree with you Andy I think it's embarrassing Once it repeats again It's almost like how the The fans may well do it And they may well do it with the same Vave and And You know You know Voice shifters Crab and passion And everything else Every other superlative you want to throw at it Will it have the same reaction this year I'm not convinced And Everton are in a mess at the moment And need reinforcements But for me Sean That he's isn't the answer He really is He's never been the answer for Everton And I thought I don't think he's the answer And I don't think He's not Sam Alladice who had the history of doing it He's a fella that found a club With zero pressure whatsoever Could play awful football year in year out And almost relegated them And because we are struggling Not at the halfway stage yet But just about to be When people are now holding him up as if He would come in and fix Everton I find it I don't think it's a case of I actually find it unbelievable I don't think it's a case of Fixing Everton I think it's a case of Doing the job So what happens if he comes in and relegates us Well we're going, we're heading that way anyway We're not though, we are We're not though are we Because there's more than half a season But in the bottom Alladice is cooking We're in the bottom three For the start We've won three games all season When we win Saturday We're out the back of Miami We are utterly awful Right Frank Lampard is Doesn't seem to have the answers And I don't think this team is Anyway good enough to play its way out Yeah I'm not trying So you've got to look around and look at those Chundice was the name mentioned I'd have David Moyes back I don't care if he gets sucked by West Ham or not I'd have him back Because I think his type of football Would do the job But I think We've now had to dance a very small group of managers Where I think this is This is Everton's promise That they don't look past They don't They can't see past the Chundice They can't see past the David Moyes There are managers out there But you've got to find the one That fits the squad we've got now And I think Chundice is a very Easy name I haven't even said I want Chundice I'm just saying that I think Chundice would probably do a better job Than Frank Lampard Because he understands the situation I don't quite think Frank Lampard Understands the situation Of where we are That's all I'm saying No I agree with that It should be time to note down I agree with that Chundice is a name That the media throw out Because he's out of work Yeah yeah Is Chundice any better than Really any better than, say, Wayne Rooney In this situation No And she had to find out the truth And people will give me stick for this Because Chundice has got a A track record on Wayne Rooney And I'm proud of that I think Wayne Rooney Will be a better appointment than him Because I think Wayne Rooney's got Experiences in a tough situation And he was a derby He also understands everything But I'm not sat here going Easy though I've said yesterday If everything could somehow throw a Big pot of money A friggin pot of tea Or social and they would consider it That would be the way to go There's Dominic Tadesco Who's done a great job in Germany But everyone wouldn't think of looking That's not a real person That's a hot sauce It is a hot sauce But yeah He's got a hot sauce company as well That's to be fair But he's done a good job You're right There's loads of managers out there I feel like with Dominic In the conversation here I feel like these two would just sit there What would you two do Dave? Ask the question What are you two doing? Well you know I listen I did ask the question And I have to say You know In terms of In terms of where we are And what we could possibly get I'm with Ped I think If I had to choose somebody To see us out for this season It would be Moise Because I think that Moise Understands the club He understands the fans He understands the importance He has Everton in his heart as well Which I think You know Sounds a bit romantic But I think actually In this instance It does help In terms of it Rather than it just being another job Whereby do you know what If I succeed great I get a bit of a bonus If I don't succeed And I take them down Then no one was expecting it anyway And I still get paid Do you know what I mean? Yeah But it's It's a dire situation But that's That was where my vote would go Personally Mr Bush The last word to you Then what do you do? So I've got to go I've got to go Quickly I knock on the head start Supporting Man City That is Fair enough That's a consideration That is a That's the fair Let's do it Let's just get new shirts Come on Yeah Get new shirts Replace the stuff With the background Of your Of your studio Yeah And that's just Let's have an easy life There's no point doing this Why do we put ourselves through it? So we call it Like what The Blue Moon Podcast or something We could do that Yeah We could still have the podcast And talk about how great they are And how many goals we'll win by this week So we have to go Once in a Blue Moon Once in a There you go There you go Let's leave it That's the end of this Let's leave it there Boys I know you two Have got to rush off So Thank you as always Sorry fellas But you're now No problem at all Next week Thanks for listening See you later