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talking to a woman and and convincing her to eat the forbidden fruit right down to Balem's donkey who actually said hey why are you beating me don't you see that angel right there you know all these things are absolutely true now they're historically true can we prove them scientifically no we sure can't anything that happened in the past cannot be proven scientifically can we look at forensic evidence to determine whether or not something actually occurred absolutely and that's what we will be looking at we will be looking at the evidence for the flood of Noah now some of the first evidence that I'm gonna reference because this is the foundation for truth wisdom knowledge and reality I'm gonna reference God's holy word the scripture then Yahweh said to Noah go you and all your household into the ark for I have seen you are righteous before me in this generation from all the clean animals you must take for yourself seven pairs a male and its mate so that's 14 animals all together for every clean type of animal and from the animals that are not clean you must take to a male and his mate as well as from the birds of the heaven seven pairs males and their female to keep their kind alive on the face of the earth for within seven days I will send rain upon the earth for 40 days and for 40 nights I will blot out all the living creatures that I have made from upon the face of the ground and Noah did according to all that Yahweh commanded him to do so this is not some fanciful narrative this is a historical account of exactly how God judged a terrible sinful people and found them wanting and as a matter of fact Noah who was 600 years old when he actually started building the ark preached for a hundred years and never had a single person get saved but he still preached the gospel he still preached repentance he still preached salvation and how we can be crafted in that's what the good news is and you know what we can believe every word of God and let's just go ahead and look at the word of God because it is scientific the very first verse of the Bible in the beginning God created the heavens and earth that's a scientific equation we were not even aware of until the late 1920s when Edwin Hubble discovered the expansion rate of our universe and so now we can see that in the beginning that all finite time space and matter had a beginning God what did he do he created he created all time space and matter how can we know it was only God that could create time space and matter because only God is timeless spaceless immaterial all powerful all knowing a loving living logical law giver most high Elohim the God of creation the God of salvation Yeshua Hamashiach the Messiah the one God that we talk about in Deuteronomy 6 for the shema statement here oh Israel the Lord our God is one divine simplicity it doesn't get any simpler than one so can we find evidence for the flood of Noah absolutely now I've already quoted the scripture God's word is true some 119 verse 160 the sum of your word is truth and all of your righteous rulings your law is endure forever so God's word is absolutely true I've just you know basically won the argument right there but let's go ahead and look at the additional evidence on top of the absolute truth of God's word and those would be fossils fossils can only be explained by a global catastrophic event we call that a flood we call that the flood of Noah fossils are billions of dead things laid down by cemetery layers of water all over our planet whoo now that'll preach right there because you've got some areas such as the Mount Everest mountain range where you have miles above sea level and yet there's oysters that are fossilized all along the mountain range way above sea level but it even gets more interesting that these oysters in the closed position that means they were killed catastrophically and not just a few millions of them so this was a global catastrophic event and again it wiped out all types of areas because this was a global tsunami that global tsunami happened in waves and we also see this evidence through different areas such in arizona stuff like that where we see fossil footprints and we see all the fossil footprints going in one direction they're trying to escape the rising water and we also see footprints of human beings in those dinosaur fossil footprints so one more bit of evidence for the flood of Noah now i'm also going to point out that Jesus himself pointed out actually referenced the flood of Noah when he actually said as in the time of Noah they will be giving in marriage and taking in marriage and just like in that time God's going to come in the final time see this is all everything in the physical points to something in the spiritual everything in the physical points to something in the spiritual and so if you're going to say that there's no such as a spiritual area in our lives well that's going to be a tough one to prove because we have a conscience we have an ability to know right from wrong we have empathy where does all that come from not to mention that if we're going to be looking at science and we are we're going to be looking at science to do this deep dive jog and to see and whether or not there was a flood of Noah well guess what in order to do science you have to have the god of the bible and only the god of the bible can allow you to do science because only the god of the bible promises us the uniformity of nature Genesis verse chapter 8 verse 22 Hebrews chapter 1 see without that uniformity of nature you don't get natural laws like laws of gravity magnetism thermodynamics physics logic many many more and so you have to have an absolute loving law giver who never changes over time so you can have these laws that never change over time these laws only come from a law giver forever oh lord your word your laws are firmly fixed in the heavens you have established your earth and it holds fast to this very day for all things are your servants psalms 119 verse 81992 so yes we can know that the flood of Noah absolutely did occur not only can we know it from scripture from the truth but we can see it from the evidence not only just fossils but we also have uh regular fossils what we have also things called polymorphic fossils which cannot be explained from a materialistic worldview as a matter of fact you can't explain where life comes from from a materialistic worldview so i'll go ahead and close it off there that leaves about a minute left so thank you very much for listening i do appreciate your time thank you so very much mr batman for your opening statement and with that i'm going to hand it over to you mark for your up to 10 minute opening statement the floor is all yours thank you so much Amy um i'm just going to share my screen i do apologize i sort of threw this presentation together quick last night but um i think it will do for the purposes of this debate um so i'll share my screen there and i want to give a big thank you to james and modern day debate as well as Amy the moderator and mr batman obviously for joining me as my interlocutor and thank you for taking the time to listen to this debate even though i think it's a foregone conclusion that the bible flood is a myth it's a story and it's it's nothing more um so i'll get started here um the flood myth contained in the bible was written about the fifth millennium bce but it's not drawn from one source it's generally agreed by scholars that it came from two sources the priestly source and a non priestly source but these are probably not the origin point for this particular story um exact text in mesopotamia during the old Babylon period show that the oldest source of flood mythology being the samaritan epic of uh zeusudra followed by the atrahasis and the epic of gilgamesh both the epic of gilgamesh and atrahasis were written in the arcadian language um there are parallels between these stories that cannot be ignored and they show that one story was copied from another so let's have a look at the most recent um the biblical flood myth is particularly dependent on the epic of gilgamesh and there's numerous similarities between the two both had a global flood that was supposed to destroy humanity for wickedness both had a man build an ark to save people and animals both were large boats but in the epic of gilgamesh the boat was square rather than long the boat described in the epic of gilgamesh had one door and at least one window both stories had the boat land after the flood on a mountain in the epic of gilgamesh it was mount namush rather than mount ararat but both were on a mountain in both stories the hero releases birds in the epic of gilgamesh a dove was released it came back a swallow was released it came back and then a raven was able to eat showing it was safe to depart the boat and they have tons more in common there's there's a common narrative between the two um there is no coincidence as all this is familiar the biblical flood story is copied from earlier stories about floods in the region what we have is a case of mythology being adapted from one culture to another and their legends copied and embellished upon to make it part of the new civilizations culture it is interesting to note that civilizations like the early jamon period of japan and hamidu culture in china continued straight through this period without being disturbed by what was apparently a global flood that wiped out all of mankind i i do wish to go through some of the problems with the flood myth and i would like mr batman to address them now and i want to be clear these by no means exhaustive and if i was to list all the problems with the flood narrative i i couldn't fit my presentation into one debate or 10 debates there are so many problems with this story but let's get started on the five that i'd like to present today the first is the heat problem if the flood water's increased to the depth of oceans to cover the highest mountains over a period of 40 days and nights the atmosphere would compress an incredible amount of heat would be released somewhere in the realm of 2.65 octillion calories the resulting heat from either the compression of the atmosphere or from superheated water that burst forth from underneath the the land would be enough to boil the oceans and would certainly combust say a wooden boat floating on it i i would like mr batman to explain how the oceans rose in such a short time without generating this heat the second one is how did the arc stay afloat wooden ships that get too large in size have a walking problem as the beams twist and there is only so big you can build a wooden boat this is to a problem called torsion or the twisting of wooden beams due to waves cresting on the foyer in the after the ship it was a wooden ship called the wyoming that was a size of the arc built by master ship rights but that ship had bilge pumps and eventually floundered and sunk due to this problem of warping of the planks through torsion there's wooden barges that are size of the arc but again they have bilge pump pumps which the arc didn't have could not have had the people could have bailed water but they would be constantly bailing water and that leads to manpower problems which is my next point how did the arc contain all the animals how many animals were on the arc a conservative estimate put the amount at 35 000 how did they all fit on the arc with the people provisions water tools equipment for grooming animals how did eight people take care of these animals as well as performing maintenance cooking cleaning dung collection sleeping eating caring for the animals if the animals were young that adds to the problem as young animals require more care not less how did no care for animals like oblate carnivores like big cats and birds of prey where did the meat come from and where did eucalyptus leaves come from to feed the koalas where did the bamboo come from to feed the pandas none of this seems to be able to be explained and i'll i'll love to hear mr batman's explanation for this one uh the animal migration problem how did the animals get from their countries of origin to the arc in the first place how did all the animals get from the landing of the arc back to their respective countries how did the koalas that can only feed on eucalyptus leaves manage to survive to make it back to australia with no eucalyptus trees on mount ararat or anywhere in between there in australia how did sloths make it back to south america traveling at a slow speed without trees to hide in from predators somehow these animals survive to get back to their countries of origin but somehow none of the animals died and left fossils or any evidence of what is supposedly the largest mass migration in history how does mr batman explain this was this luck or did god somehow make sure that no animal died on the way back somehow the population problem according to the bible the tower of babel happened 100 years after the flood narrative how did eight people reproduce enough to make a population that could build a massive tower in just 100 years four families could not produce enough people in 100 years um even if there was three generations in that time with 10 children each and equal amounts of men and women you would still only get 1 000 people and that isn't even taking into account the problems within breeding also in uh 2334 bc or 138 years after supposed flood the sargonic empire of akkad had a population of about 20 million how did that happen from eight people in 138 years the amount of children would have to be staggering and completely impossible for the survivors of this flood these five questions should be enough to get on with the debate although as i mentioned there are hundreds more problems with the flood narrative and it's as it's presented in the bible uh i don't have the time to go through them all now i must concede it's plausible that a local flood occurred at some point in the middle east and its story was written down and passed along but the bible was not the original text for this story what is far more likely is that a local flood occurs it was written down into the epic of zea sundra zea sudra which was then copied the details got embellished and made more grandiose over retelling and retelling the story and then that led to the story of noah's flood that does not mean that the flood story is historically accurate and does not mean we should take the bible literally like a like a lot of myths they are there for the people to explain events like floods and rainbows not to be taken as a true story thank you so much for listening i look forward to discussion and i will turn it back to amy um for the rest of the debate thank you so very much uh mark actually need to turn off the screen share uh apologies yep got it no i was like why isn't that working there we go now it is thank you so very much mark and thank you all of there out there on the interwebs if you're enjoying these debates we want to continue asking you to like follow or subscribe but we are now going to hand it back over to these gentlemen for the open discussion once again the floor is both of yours all right i mean i i ended going mr batman so i i finished up so yeah go for it okay um i um i wanted to address a couple things you said and we can just go into a conversation from from wherever you want to pick in um flood myth um myth going into a situation before you actually know um the evidence that's actually presupposing your argument right from the get-go and i love how you said agreed by certain scholars you know what different scholars say all kinds of different things has nothing to do with the truth now the similarities that have to do between different narratives such as Gilgamesh and and alike well that happens because there was one event that occurred and they all have a different aspect of that event that's why they're all similar but they're all a little bit different because again these people experienced it or they had somebody that did experience it directly and so now they're actually conveying that onto their families again no problem with the um christian or the biblical mindset now when you talked about japan i don't know if you ever looked at this but it's either the japanese or the chinese language i can't remember which one i think it's a chinese language the chinese language actually has symbols based in it from the flood of noah when you look at boat it's a little symbol with eight little people on it so once again that's very interesting as well can't be explained without that now you went on to say something about the heat problem now i know you have all these different numbers you base that heat problem on but how do you know that those numbers are accurate how do you know what the levels were of the different um heights of mountains depths of valleys how do you know any of that so you're basing it on today's information and again you don't know that yesterday was anything like today especially back in the you know 4000 bc you don't know that that was anything like today so once again there could be a huge difference there you just don't know we don't know and we cannot do it and know it scientifically it's not testable it's something we have to go from a forensic evidence and the forensic evidence is all on my side the forensic evidence points out that there is a loving creator god who created us and because we sinned against him he judged the entire world with that global flood and the evidence for that is all around us i'll just jump in here because i want to address some of the stuff i didn't presuppose that flood was a myth we we have that evidence to conclude that the flood was a myth just because i opened up with that statement doesn't mean that that's a presupposition that i've made so you're sort of making a mistake there the the truth is that they are very different in certain specific ways like the mountain they landed on and the birds that were released and certain specific things that means that you cannot take them literally as you do the bible because you are taking it literally so those discrepancies are a problem especially because the epic of gilgamesh predates the flood of noah and the fact that we had the the fact that we have these these massive differences even though the narrative is the same shows that it's not a literal story now with the heap how do we know that the the mountains were there 4 000 years ago because we do geology we can we can tell these things really i find it interesting that i find it interesting that you basically say that we cannot prove the past scientifically because that's really what we do we do that all the time it's very very strange that it would point out that oysters are sort of accounted for by the flood but they're also accounted for by plate tectonics and the way that they die is not necessarily in a catastrophic deluge it's strange that you went to plexi valley which is the dinosaur footprints because those those human footprints next to the dinosaur ones they are collapsed dinosaur tracks and i can pull up a picture if you would like there was a lot of things you went through i'm not sure why you went to the moral moral argument for god because we're debating noah's flood not that's a moral argument well the be that as it may it's not really got anything to do with with the flood actually yes it's the reason for the flood well i think morality is sort of something that comes naturally to social animals because we are basically social creatures yeah it's called empathy and reciprocity we can demonstrate i'm sorry social animals well that doesn't work because again if it just comes naturally the bible says very clearly the one who relies on his own mind is a fool i don't care now hang on a second hang on a second you you said it wasn't a moral conversation actually i'm saying it is a moral conversation why is that and without being able to justify where your morality comes from you don't have a dog in this fight yeah i do so as we've evolved creatures have developed the sense of morality i'm sorry sir can you show me that in social groups that need those tools such as can you show me that in order to show me scientifically that ever i can i can show you other animals not humans monkeys gorillas oh no sir that's not science that's inference no we science is inference what are you talking about i'm sorry that's what we do is testable observable repeatable today yes so if you can show me five times where something can improve in complexity and information over time we don't have evolution to work with if we test something five times we make the inference that that is true you don't understand what are you testing sir whatever it is it's okay what are you testing something from the past are you testing something today doesn't matter yes it does because science happens in here now i happen to be a science teacher you can't do science last Tuesday you can't do the science 14 million years ago but you can do it today and that's it you can examine the evidence that shows you what has happened in the past that's forensic science that's not observable testable repeatable science so we can examine social creatures today and understand how they developed these social strategies that allow them to survive in the world i'm sorry you can just say you can just claim you can just claim that god somehow gave humanity their morality but you need to demonstrate that you need oh i can do that evidence that that is true there you go go for it what is the scientific evidence for that happy to do that happy to do that and so i am gonna hand it over to mr batman but just making sure that we get uh nice clean sound bites but uh the ball is all yours thank you sir oh man i can actually prove that i can prove that there is a loving living logical god who gives us his parameters his attributes and that is morality see without the god of the bible there is no morality if all there is is the physical world then why would it be wrong to be a liar to be a thief to be a fornicator to be a homosexual how about being a pedophile is that ever wrong see in a materialistic worldview you don't have that you don't have that hill to stand on you don't have a moral high ground when you have no high ground to stand on at all you have no morality your morality is based on what you believe it's called a subjective morality that subjective morality is fluid and sir you don't have a reason why it's always going to be wrong to do anything so that's a bit of homophobia or just move on no sir i'm not afraid of homosexuals i love them enough to go down and preach to them for six and eight hours let's be assaulted a dozen times i don't mind doing that that's pretty horrible um so basically you're saying that morality proves god and therefore yes it does proves everything proves god but then then you've got god going back to morality it comes from god you've got a circular argument and we are going to go back to the flood okay and the flood the flood is based on morality i don't think morality comes under the flood but you know someone disagrees but again that's why i'm here to help you understand the scripture okay it is a moral statement god judged the entire world for their immorality their unrighteousness their lawlessness so god the creator of all things judged them for their sin so you claim and can't demonstrate i want to go back to these fossils because have you heard of the um green river formation it's basically a vav now what a vav is it's when water melts every year and basically flows into this lake area depositing some sediment now if the earth was 10 000 years old and it was laid down by the flood you would have to have that happening uh multiple times per second in order to lay down the green river formation so how do you explain that actually no three ways multiple times every hundred years or so matter of fact the global flood was such a deluge that explains every bit of sedimentary rock that we see all over the planet along with all the different fossils that we see in it see once again god judged the entire world with this flood why because they weren't obeying him they weren't doing and living the way they were supposed to live so god judged them with the flood and so now this flood covers the entire world and it's a catastrophic event and this is the only way you can explain um natural events such as the grand canyon uh mount st helens um all these different uh uh excuse me these different uh peninsulas where all the river basins go out all these different things point that we only have about 4500 years where the sediment or information or evidence and that is when the flood occurred about 4500 years ago and so we can look at that and we can see that all um history all writing everything stops when the flood occurs okay so the green uh river uh formation contains um uh 20 million of these sedimentary layers 20 million and we see one created when the the the glaciers melt and the water takes the sediment into that valve so how do you explain 20 million layers when one occurs once a year how do you explain that sorry sir you're equating what happens today with what happened yesterday you don't know that what's happening today is exactly what happened yesterday or on the day of the flood you have no clue now let's go ahead and be honest the fact of the matter sir it was a global flood we had the tsunami coming in thousands of times bringing in thousands of layers of the sedimentary rock along with pieces of animals that gets fossilized you cannot explain fossils without a global flood sir fossils are only formed when they are buried catastrophically quickly taken the air out now if you don't have a catastrophic event you don't get fossils that's kind of a problem on your side that is not true fossils really form in a number of different ways including entire pits and things like that that we see in la in fact there's a fossil graveyard in karoo formation in africa there's a estimated 100 billion vertebrate animals there so if if you had a hundred billion animals there um there would be 2100 animals per acre in that area under your actually that's only explained because of the flood because of the catastrophic tsunami events it brings all those bodies of all all those different animals and blends them together that's why you don't find very many fossils that are complete their pieces bit you have one over here one another five miles away why because it's in a catastrophic tsunami type scenario which jumbles everything up that's why you have it that way sir not that all those animals were in one area they were wiped into that area by the catastrophic flood that's the only thing you explain those numbers so you're saying that the flood carried them all to this one area no sir carried into many areas like that there's areas like that in the united states as well there's areas of that like that in great britain there's areas like that uh in france yeah so yes sir no not just one place but that's why you find all these dinosaur graveyards all these fossil graveyards are only there because of the catastrophic nature of the flood of noah that's not true okay how do you know the reason why they're all here is because there are certain conditions that require i hate being told it's not true yeah if i could just talk mr batman if you could just let me talk okay what's true and how do you know well uh mark finish whatever your statement is and then mr batman you can ask that question for mark to answer we'll do that for mark because there's there's a yeah there's a number of processes that cause fossils to be created such as mineral mineralization and fossilization now they don't happen with a global flood just depositing stuff like you're saying they happen under certain conditions when the bones are preserved and are allowed to start this process you you don't get to claim that that these these floods do your magic for you in creating fossil graveyards when we know that that's not the case is that true it's wishful thinking what you are doing is that true yes what's truth and how do you know it what's truth and truth is that which comports with reality great where does reality come from so you can know anything to be true where does face matter what causes it to exist so you can know anything to be true you just told me i don't know what's true jack i don't like that i don't know where reality i know you don't know but i do but and so guess what i don't tell you what excuse me could i i do know what feels there and i'd be happy to explain it to you could i finish yep you seem to be interrupting me you're constantly talking over the top of me because you're afraid to let me speak not afraid sir i don't know i don't ask questions i i don't know where reality comes from you don't and i i do look i like to know where reality comes from i don't think you know where the god had created reality is the one who caused the flood see the problem with that is you're making claims that you have no depth look if you're gonna actually i can back up i'm going to interrupt you so now it just becomes a shouting match because you won't stop interrupting have some class and decor i am going to interrupt both of your turn and whoever would like to take the ball do so but then let the the next person answer yes please so you're just full of claims that you cannot demonstrate i don't know where reality comes from and i don't need to know as long as we agree that reality is real i don't need to know any of that you're the one making a claim that you know where it comes from and it shows how deathly petrified you are of the actual topic which is the flood because you keep diverting to nonsense that you're going through so do we agree that a reality exists or not or are you sure the reality doesn't exist sir does reality exist yes i agree is reality under the constant control and the constant rule of laws of physics yes great where do those laws come from why don't they change over they are and why are they going to be here again tomorrow unchangingly so so we can enjoy this world again one more time they are inherent properties of the universe i'm sorry sir no they're not the universe decays over time these laws do not decay over time so i'm pointed out to you how i know i have knowledge that's a justified true statement i have a justification for the true statement that i'm presenting to you right now sir though the fact of the matter is those laws those natural laws that never change over time cannot come from our physical world because our physical world is constantly changing over time so something that is constantly changing over time cannot be the emergent cause of something that never changes over time do you not get that yes it constantly changes over time with the not a constant laws of nature so you've basically no sir the laws of nature don't change over time can we get back to the actual debate and observe the physical world repeatedly and exclusively unchangingly so that's what a lot of nature is sir so much you need to calm down and take a chill pill no i don't calm down i just get passion especially when you told me i don't know the truth yeah you don't know the truth i have no idea what is true you don't know you don't know what the truth is speaking about truth we are asking is Noah's flood true and so yes it is absolutely we should put it on a board and show it now and again say mr batman and remember what we're actually talking about i know exactly what we're talking about sir we're talking about morality that's exactly what we're talking about we're talking about morality the reason that morality comes into play when god judges the entire world with the flood is there evidence i pointed to all the evidence in the world you don't like it i don't care mr batman sir you still can't justify morality without the god of the bible take a breath we're going back to the topic how do you explain the population being eight people then expanding to 20 million in the sargonic empire 138 years later how do you explain that i don't have to sir because i know where reality comes from i know where time space matter comes from i have a basis for every claim that i'm making because i'm justifying my statements with natural laws that i can justify where they these laws come from because i have a law giver that never changes over time you sir don't know where your morality comes from so i hope you're not playing on babysitting anybody soon i already told you but that's aside the point so ladies gentlemen mr batman does not have an answer for how the population spiked from eight people to 20 million in the course of 130 years i'm sorry sir you don't have he doesn't have an answer where time space of matter comes from is that an issue he doesn't have any answers for you he just assumes that his story is correct and will believe it because he's got a presupposition that all of this comes from god he then uses his presupposition to justify his belief in god it's a circular presupposition sir did you not come into this debate calling the flood a myth that's a presupposition right there sir that you don't want for there to be a moral god who judged the world with a blood because you know sir you're a sinner and you're going to hell if you don't repent um i actually would like there to be a god it would be nice if there was a god to have justice and punish the wicked excuse me sir could you please be quiet punish the wicked um but the problem there is just because i wish it to be true doesn't mean that it's true you are performing wishful thinking no sir i actually have evidence in the real world in real time i have justifiable evidence and you just don't have a bad attitude that seems the only thing you have really you're accusing someone else of bad attitude that's ironic that's ironic so how do you explain how the animals got from the ark back to their countries when you had stuff like the back to their country way back to their country yeah yeah i mean say koalas they live in australia right they live in my country and they only eat eucalyptus leaves how do we do now but we don't know what they were able to consume before oh they only once again sir your uniformity thinking is betraying you you think that everything that goes the way it goes today is exactly the way it went 4 000 years ago do you really believe that um i don't think no you shouldn't believe that if i'm allowed to finish mr batman if you'd stop being rude and obnoxious i don't think they're exactly the same but i think that pretty much things in 4 000 years in the great scheme of things don't move that quickly yes you're talking about your time i think i'm shooting up and 4 000 years to make mount everest and these continents whizzing around the place um so you're claiming that the koala evolved the ability to eat no sir that koala did not evolve anything sir it was you're saying it was designed the way it works see every single animal seven of the clean two of the unclean were designed by god for specific purposes every single one of those life forms is irreducibly complex our bodies are irreducibly complex and you cannot justify where living things come from where does life come from sir in order to you put living things on the ark so if if the koala was designed to eat where does life come from why did it change halfway through from not eating eucalyptus leaves to eating living things how did that change i'm sorry i'm debating the ark today you can you can try out your schtick sometime and i'm pulling you guys apart for clean sound bites mark finish your answer and then mr batman you can also ask another question right afterwards as well yeah if mr batman could stop interrupting because it is rude and it is obnoxious and i think he knows that i think he's just oh yes i do for the sake of yes i do i don't like being told that i don't know the because you don't know the truth from the koala if the koala was designed to i'm sorry sir the koala is designed would you agree sir then the koala is designed to be able to interact with its environment ararat would you agree sir that the koala is designed to interact with its environment that it actually has the ability to climb trees and eat leaves would you agree with that sir that's what it's designed to do sir you're not answering my question yes sir i am i'm answering it with the question how did it get from Mount Ararat to Australia would you agree sir that the koala is a designed creature and each system in the koala is irreducibly complex did you know that the respiratory system is irreducibly complex no it's not that's really then what you all first the heart the veins or the blood the heart really how do you know because we have more primitive fossils and analysis i mean i'm that doesn't tell you anything that is your wishful evolutionary religion talking fair you don't know anything about evolution fish has just been found in australia with a very primitive heart you can look it up it's in the news that primitive heart was designed that way for that particular answer you still don't have any way of justifying how piles of atoms can come together and be organized organized pile of atoms that performs a function like a system like the respiratory system the respiratory system why are you so desperately afraid of talking about the heart nervous system why are you so deathly afraid of the topic you run from the topic at every opportunity the topic the topic is morality yes you are we are talking about the arc today i will discuss morality with you at another time we are talking about the arc today and you have no yes we are and the arc is all about morality let's go ahead man i don't care if it's the affirmative or the negative but just one of you pick just one aspect of the arc that you either want to defend or attack and it's all your guys i am trying i am certainly trying um i'm enjoying it so far so let's go back to the chat let's go back to the koalas because you seem to be the arbiter of truth mr batman um did the koalas sir eat eucalyptus leaves when they got off the arc sir you're presupposing the uniformity of nature that it's acting exactly the same way today as it did four thousand years ago we don't know we weren't there so now you know what i can do sir because i know the god that created the koala he could have created it to eat something other than eucalyptus leaves and in addition to eucalyptus leaves and now all is left as eucalyptus leaves now i could say that i don't really care the fact of the matter sir you don't care i know that that koala has a multiplicity of irreducibly complex systems that make it a designed organism that's what an organism is a group of systems a group of systems that are irreducibly complex now you've got a god who created that yeah and that god is a moral god and he judged the entire world with a global flood and this is what you need to deal with sir because we can be looking at the same evidence i could come up with something you could come up with something else i don't really care the fact of matter sir you don't have any small dog in the fight because you don't have morality i and the flood was all about morality i i do have morality that's not the topic you don't have morality oh man i agree you don't much as you want to run their irreducible complexity has been debunked i'll talk about it another time but not today because today we're talking not today yes we are much as you want to run away so so with these fossils how do you explain the strata layers being flipped upside down like for instance when there is a strata layer that goes old new older to new and then i'm sorry how do you know that well we can examine it i'm sorry no no no no no no no it's you have different scientists we have a these these so-called scholars that you were referring to earlier no no no they believe in your evolutionary religion these white coded priests oh believe what i say no i don't think so jack they happen so once again i'm going to ask you i'm going to ask you sir where does your morality come from because the flood the arc was a moral issue god didn't have no i've already told you because you wanted to know what it came from i am not going to explain that over and to say what little humanity would be safe yeah this is this is kind of pointless because you basically will interrupt and just trot out these ridiculous claims um i've already explained where my morality may be mad and i don't i don't mind getting your face and you're a teacher and then basically says well these white code wrote that these are geologists you're supposed to be a geologist i am horrified still believe in evolution of magic but you know what you get some biologists in there and they won't believe that crap and before we go down that route all i care is our lovely viewers out there and so if either of you mark if you don't think that it is uh from a moral aspect maybe you have a different aspect that you would like to take it either way guys i don't care who takes them all i'm trying i'm trying the running and and fear and the scaredy sort of uh going to his favorite subjects is real ladies and gentlemen he just will not talk about the the flood because he knows that there's no evidence for it and there's so many problems with it how did that amount of animals survive on the flood how did he take care of the oblate carnivores like eagles and and lions do you not know that there were no such thing as carnivores not until after they got off the ark so they were um herbivores before they everything was a herbivore so everything every animal was a herbivore and in the time since the arc four thousand rough years and how long well how how much were they herbivores until they became carnivores well sir we can't scientifically prove any of those questions that you're asking so i don't know but i will tell you there you're the one that god knows exactly how he created him and he tells us i can't ask any action he actually tells us that he created him to eat every green thing just like man man was a herbivore up until after the flood when god said you can eat the animal so do you do you think by 3000 bce then that the herbivores were then carnivores give me a rough time frame that's irrelevant sir i don't have a rough time frame because i don't know what someone and the truth is whatever god's word says god's word tells us very clearly that when he created he created these animals with a perfect genetic structure these animals had every ability to adapt to their new environments well with the exception of the dinosaurs the dinosaurs didn't do very well at adapting because of the oxygen level change so ladies and gentlemen here we have a person that claims to know everything while having no answer no i don't know everything i just know the one who does know that animals were all herbivores and somehow evolved into carnivores nope they never evolved nothing evolved sir it's the most ridiculous story that's the second law of thermodynamics also known as entropy yeah that's not the subject of the debate we're talking about the arc you need to get your memory tested sir um we are talking about i am old today so how do you explain the torsion problem of the wooden things don't need to worry about that side god informed noah exactly how to build that arc he would have had no problems you got the you don't have the best you have the premier the one who created nautical uh engineering to begin with now he's the one that told noah how to build it and the materials we don't even know what gopher wood is sir and before the next i don't have to worry about that god's word tells me that it was good and before the next person talks just we're enjoying the back and forth but the back and forth is what we want sometimes gets canceled out when we talk over each other but is sending it right back to you guys yeah so i think i think batman's doing most of the talking over to be honest with you but um see this is the problem with blind faith that you don't care about faces you don't care about what happens um you basically believe what you've presupposed based upon no evidence and and nothing at all and that's what we see in mr batman here he has a presupposition and i do too but i presuppose things like reality not a god and he needs to you can't tell me where it comes from though you can't tell me why it works the way it does you can't tell me why anything functions the way it does i think you're gonna tell me that i don't know about reality the most honest go with that you're wrong with that answer sir and if mr batman was honest he would provide some sort of demonstration for his now now you've used me and dishonest and not knowing the truth yes you know what dishonest and mr batman i'm not dishonest sir i'm gonna honestly tell you that you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground because this whole thing is about i think i do actually it's about morality no it's about the aspects of a loving living god who judged the world with a flood and sir you will stand before this god i think you need better glasses i think you need better glasses it's about i do i've got my glasses you're my christianity class you need it you're gonna interrupt you guys both again my mindset um and uh mr batman i want both of you guys want mark to be able to get your point want you to get out your point but no one can hear if we get over talked but i'll give anyone each speaker as much time as they want uh to get their point out as long as we keep on being good faith interlocutors and i'm enjoying the debate once again everyone keep on like following and subscribe we're gonna go for about another 15 minutes of open dialogue before we go to the q and a section that's right keep on tagging us with your questions but once again guys the floor is all yours we're trying to figure out no a global flood so uh you mentioned the dinosaurs do you think that and the dinosaurs didn't cope very well apparently they weren't killed in the flood they they were aboard the ark is that what you're saying yes sir every kind of dinosaur that god wanted to say was on the ark and we see this evidence from the um dragon legends throughout our planet these things are evidence because these are the dinosaurs the dragons of the past so brontosaurus was aboard the ark yes sir the tyrannosaurus rex was aboard the ark yes sir um uh things like gigantosaurus was aboard the ark i'm sorry sir i'm not familiar exactly with that one uh well it's it's the largest dinosaur titanosaur was aboard the ark yep all of them were sir now you wouldn't need to take the oldest biggest ones you would only really need to take juveniles uh newly uh into their younger stages right before they get into their reproductive stages and also it's not going to be an issue either uh for taking care of them if god puts them into a hybrid state of hibernation that would cure a lot of problems right there but even if he didn't even if god didn't put them in a state of hibernation god provided everything that they needed on the ark to be able to take care of the animals because they're all still here so this this miracle that god did to hibernate the animals that don't usually hibernate why is he doing that and instead not just hibernating all of the humans and taking out the ones that that he wanted to kill god doesn't kill sir well he killed everybody in the flood no sir he did not kill anyone he judged them they were guilty just like you're guilty sir just like you will stand before god and be judged god judged them and they were guilty god didn't kill them god didn't murder them god didn't take their life arbitrarily god judged them with righteous judgment sir righteous judgment i i never said murder i said killed they were alive and that's what you're implying god did not murder god did not kill god i'm not implying that god judged the world with a global flood sir this is this is really we are worried about your sense of morality that that that someone can be alive at least i have a sense god god yeah so do i um god can yeah like basically make them dead and then you can say well he didn't kill them he just judged them i please don't go around judging people mr batman i fear sir i don't judge anybody only god judges no i'm i'm simply a fruit inspector you see god says you will know them by their fruit and a good tree cannot produce bad fruit and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit sir so you will know them by their fruit so i'm a fruit inspector well please don't go around touching anybody's fruit um so don't you worry sir we're on the ark and live don't you worry about going in base in anybody either if if the animals were on the ark and lived up to four thousand bc along with the other animals then why can't we find their dna samples like we can with all the other animals actually we do find dna samples what dna samples we've never found mary schweitzer paleontologist about 11 12 years ago found a uh t-rex femur bone in arizona um it still had soft tissue blood vessels blood cells about 14 different carbon-based things that should not be there but they were it did it did not have blood cells hang on so now you're interrupting me because you don't like this i know you don't like this but that's okay because the fact of the matter is it had dna it had blood cells blood vessels it was soft tissue yes it was and she was trying her best to figure out a way to blame it on contamination and everything else but it wasn't because since that time they've been testing other dinosaur samples and they're finding carbon 14 as well as 13 14 other carbon-based elements in these samples that prove that they cannot be millions of years old if you find carbon 14 and something it cannot be over a hundred thousand years old and we find carbon 14 not only in dinosaur bones in coal and in the hardest natural substance known to man diamonds okay so i'll just address that and please let me finish for once um they did not find blood and blood vessels and things like that actually yes they did i actually did a study on that excuse me sir don't tell me i'm a liar sir why what you are a liar or okay you're missing for a nice day sir um so they did not find blood vessels and blood they found really degraded soft tissue that wasn't even in any state to be able to draw any dna from the the whole idea that we're finding actually sir why would you think there was dna after four thousand years i have ever heard in my life why would you think there would be dna after four thousand years sir the fact that they did find partial and plus it is quite amazing at that please along with the soft issues and the blood vessels mr batman hello hello man um look that's carbon 14 we don't date things over over 10 000 years with us because it's wildly inaccurate carbon actually knows how to terminate pretty accurate right up to about 85 so i can't seem to so you can actually go i don't want to have to go into two to three minutes so i want to just one yeah let's finish this up i think perhaps we should because mr batman has no impulse control hey at least i'm a moral agent and you don't know where your morality comes from well you're pretty rude for a moral agent i think yes sir i am i'm trying to grab your pretty obnoxious i'm gonna ask one more time for both for interlocutors to please yeah be generous but i actually have enjoyed your guys back and forth like i said we like the spice here on modern day debate and once again we are talking the flood of noah and handing it back over to either of you uh yeah i i don't i don't think mr batman has any intention of letting me talk he's so afraid he doesn't want to let me talk um when you start a sentence and someone jumps into anything you say it's because they're absolutely petrified of what you've got to say um now there was no blood tissue and i mean i can look it up you're absolutely 100 wrong about mary so i she had to put something up online saying she did not find blood vessels you are absolutely beating a dead horse with this there was no carbon dating of dinosaur bones because we don't carbon date those again the fact that why don't you carbon date them oh because you know that they're millions of years old why would you bother to carbon date something if you know automatically you presuppose that it's millions of years old i understand completely you're going by that white-coded evolutionary mindset of your white-coded priests in the universe no thank you i think i'll go with what the truth is what god's words is carbon dating is only accurate to 10 000 years we have other ways of dating all the things like the whole universe is only about 6200 years old that's great uranium dating we've got a large amount of radiometric dating to do those things but carbon all based on assumptions should know as a teacher is not all based on assumptions yes i do know that based as a teacher well you don't every single dating method is based on assumptions sir so we're inferring we're entering a date based on the decay rate of something else yes that could be in there there's no such thing as an age molecule would you agree with that so would you agree there's no such thing as an age molecule let me get to it would you agree so no if the decay rate so mark you're gonna interrupt you both again interrupt you both again all right so um you're mark you're gonna answer mr batman's question and then we have five more minutes left before we go into the q and a and i want to thank both of our interlocutors once again because it has been a spicy but fun debate but mark it sounds like you were about to answer that yes absolutely no there is no age molecule and that's a malformed question we know that radiometric dating works because radiometric decay has such a steady progression of deterioration really that's why we've been measuring that that's why that's why that's why atomic clocks work based on assumptions based on assumptions only work because radiometric decay is so reliable thank you mr batman today yeah it's reliable today we don't know that it's always been that reliable plus sir you can't tell me where the atoms for radio for the material that's in the radiometric decay ever came from you can't tell me why it works that way you can't tell me the science behind it because you don't do science you simply believe it because the white robed scientists tell you to believe it you have no evidence everything that i've given to you has been physical evidence everything that you've presented has been your opinion appreciate that but i'm sorry i don't like opinions have a nice day so so this is hilarious so it's it's ironic ladies and gentlemen and the man saying that natural laws are constant is saying that they were different in the past which is just the irony is no i'm not saying the laws are different sir i'm saying that that particular decay rate based on the parameters of the environment it was in because we don't know what environment it was in either we don't know the environment you're guessing on all these things sir there's at least eight different variables that you have a big question mark right in the middle of your equation if you have one question mark in your equation you can't come to a valid answer each one of these dating methods has at least three some of them as many as eight doesn't work sir but have a nice day yeah so what's also ironic i was gonna gotta finish up is mr batman saying well i only believe in physical evidence but his main argument for the arc is his belief in god which is in no way physical and just his claim really hasn't done anything where does anything so you can say that the hasn't done anything to address my questions all he does is run to to these nonsense claims and he'll make another claim say something silly i'm making a claim right now so you can't tell me where time space of matter comes from and that's where we live and that's where i'm facing claims and that's how we know things would be true you can't tell me anything to be true because you don't know you claim to know but can't demonstrate i do know sir i proved it you proved it yep i did sure uh in your mind that's that's great um so so a lot of the questions let's just run over what mr batman hasn't been able to answer and what he runs away from and goes to these silly semantics he can't answer how eight people turned into millions he can't answer how animals got home from the arc he can't answer how the torsion was affected just claimed god and then answered that he doesn't he doesn't know how how these animals evolved or changed into eucalyptus nothing evolves into carnivores so basically mr batman's just appealing to miracles and magic um none i can do that all i want artists have any explanatory power none of them address the questions that i does your argument have any explanatory power about morality the green green river formation has laid down 20 million layers of sediment and which happens annually the river didn't do that you weren't there to observe that sir that is your interest that you want to believe in the past the laws of nature were different but the the the hilarious the laws of nature exist you can't tell me why they don't he has no evidence for this it's a claim a hollow baseless claim he keeps making because he has to because if he doesn't make this claim there is no way he can validate his presupposition in the bible well i don't have a presupposition thank god for that and on that note i'm going to thank both of our interlocutors i'm actually going to hand it individually one last time to mr batman and mark read to tell us what you got going on on the interwebs and also your final thought on the topic on the flood tonight and this is my pre-warning please meet yourself when the other person for their outro or i will so sending love whoever starts will be the the first sorry mr batman i'm more happy to go if you want all right well i think we've seen quite concisely that when it comes right down to it the bible explains everything about why we see what we see in the physical world it explains why we see different types of animals different kinds of animals different species of animals without the god of the bible who actually created us with a perfect genetic structure and not just humans that's what he did because when he created everything with a perfect genetic structure he said and it was good and he looked at his creation and said it was very good that's as close to perfect as it gets without actually being perfect so god created it that way man sin got worse over time morality morality is the issue of the ark you know what you can you can be a scoffer all you want claim you don't believe it don't really care because guess what it's true whether you believe it or not just like gravity is true whether you believe it or not just like the laws of thermodynamics are true whether you believe it or not it's irrelevant your belief is irrelevant what you need is knowledge and all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are hidden in jesus christ yishu ha mashiach alone that's in Colossians thank you for your time oh thank you so very much mr batman for your outro and with that mark reed oh the floor is all yours thank you so much Amy I really appreciate it now I'm sorry it got so spicy it was a bit of a weird one and certainly not a sense of the quorum was maintained um so so what we have to examine is is who is presenting um explanations for these things and who has explanatory power mr batman couldn't answer any of my questions and when he did answer the explanation was god now this doesn't explain anything it's a cop out it's an excuse um if you're going to use god to explain anything why investigate what causes anything if if if i heat up my my coffee and and water gets hot why can't i just say god why can't i just say god for everything and that's mr batman's excuse because if he says god he doesn't actually have to apply himself to finding out the explanations for these questions it's it's just an excuse and the flood story is just a myth there's no reason to believe it's true and a ton of evidence to suggest it's not that i presented tonight but mr batman wants to run to morality he feels safer in morality because morality doesn't have to be explained i gave my opinion of where morality comes from he says god yet another excuse um i don't think mr batman was displaying a great deal of morality today um i don't think he was being a very moral person yet a man that claims to know everything had a very notable lack of explanations for anything um so take note one of us had evidence and reasons and explanations one of us had an excuse thank you i would agree with that wholeheartedly thank you so very much mark in fact thank you to both of our interlocutors and with that we are going to move into the q and a section keep on sending your comments either at modern day debate or at amy newman to help us find them but to begin with a two-dollar super chat from melvia this isn't a sermon mr batman stop preaching coming after you two-dollar super chat from franco trillo mr batman coming out with the heavy hitters send in love thank you guys for the support in the super chats five-dollar super chat from franco trillo again uh just kidding mr uh jk mr batman is not a great detective mr latman thank you so very much whatever that means trying to say if that's just kidding or jk jk uh malvany once again thank you guys for all the love uh and super chats for two dollars mark totally dismantling another theist gg mark thank you thank you got a fan out there uh cameron hall for two dollars where did all the water recede after the flood that's easy it's in the ocean thank you so very much for your super chat and your answer cameron uh ten dollars super chat from experiments in prebiotic chemistry since god himself actually didn't write the bible himself the bible is just the subjective opinion of the person who wrote the words okay well he can believe that all he wants but how does he know anything to be true see without the god of the bible you have not only do you not have any morality or any basis for morality you have no basis for truth you have no basis for reality you have no basis for the scientific method you can't justify everything anything at all you can't justify anything because everything in the physical world requires a creator god thank you so very much for your answer and also i got tagged uh saying his name was melee via melee via sending so much love out there melee via and for all of your super chats out there in fact melee via comes back with another five dollar super chat mr batman is as much of a scientist as kent hoven is a doctor oh the spice is real ouch oh well the fact of the matter is am i a scientist um i have worked in laboratories before i've been a laboratory technician i teach science um i love science because you cannot do science without the god of the bible genesis chapter eight verse 22 that's the uniformity of nature he moves chapter one so without the god who gives you the uniformity nature promises that these things will work the same way over and over again you don't have any way of justifying why they do what they do thank you for your answer and super chat five dollars from big bad mama why did egyptian dynasties not pause for your flood actually they did all right thank you so much for your answer move right along alan for five dollars mr batman what is your plan to influence the scientific consensus um talking to people point out the fact that they have no justification for anything that they claim when somebody claims that evolution is how we got here evolution explains the the organization of different elements in the physical body to come into different systems a myriad of complexity that's what we are how do you explain that without a designer how do you explain the fact that you have matter you have atoms that come together as living matter and then those that living matter becomes intelligent living matter with a phenomenal amount of different systems that are irreducibly complex it cannot be justified without a designer i mean the human body is the most complicated machine known to man yet my opponent here mr reed is going to look at it and say well it all happened by a random chance and happen stands boy you've got more faith than i do yeah not random chance natural selection isn't random oh it's not random chance and it's by design thank you no no no deterministic systems they're not random oh it's deterministic design thank you anything that's determined design if you determine something you have an idea you have a function that's design thank you i don't think you understand what the time and then mr batman has to have the last word because it was his question yeah no worries yeah yeah you don't understand his time sending love out there thank you for the super chat and the answers from both of you guys moving right along ten dollar super chat from rob sanders can you please explain how the kangaroos and koalas went to australia penguins went to the poles after the boat landed in the middle east question mark if it's magic don't bother well it's not magic it's actually migration when you look at the different animals the different animals they weren't on different areas of the planet separated by a huge sea the matter of fact the bible talks about a large continent called panjia now we call it panjia but the bible says that god drew all the waters into one place if you put all the waters in one place where's all the land in one place so when the ark landed it landed in that one place and then when those animals they were actually very well adapted to their particular environment they went in different directions so that's just the way that is then you have the land bridges started to break apart and the separation that tectonic plates were moving at some phenomenal speeds back compared to what they are today continents forming in 4 000 years good on you thank you and a two-dollar super chat from john rap mr batman please turn off your voice activated mouth oh the spice sending love to our super chatters and interlocketers oh uh five-dollar super chat from james w the batmobile ran out of gas after show on amy newman's channel after the debate that is right a reminder not only does james and myself run an after show which will be taking place but if you have an after show that you would like to run the modern day debate community will put that link up there so send in love and says open mic triggered batman say again sir do spicy spicy and uh but sending so much love james and the entire modern day debate community moving right along to a bitter truth for ten dollars batman you said fossils mixed by flood but now we know one fossil ten thousand years old other one million year old hundred thousand year old either carbon dating or radiometric but now we know how can you reject by way assuming way assuming no i don't assume anything i have knowledge knowledge is a justified true statement now what knowledge i had when it comes to these dating methods i know exactly how this works if they find a rock they determine the age of the rock by the fossils that are in it oh then you want to determine what the age of the fossils are will you figure out what rockets in that's a little circular so again the dating methods are irrelevant the question you need to be asking is wait a minute where did life come from how did life come about where does time space and matter come from what caused this catastrophic event to occur all over this planet that we have evidence all over this planet for the one creator god to judge all life hmm makes you think don't it well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him think thank you so much for your super chat and your answer to dollar super chat from utif why are we afraid to discuss the flood hmm i'm not i'm discussing the flood as a matter of fact i'm bringing to bear the main argument of the flood why did it happen it happened because god a righteous and holy judge is going to judge the entire world with a global flood he's going to save eight people because those were the only righteous people left it's all about yeah i think that was for both of us i'm i'm not afraid to discuss the flood and i was trying to discuss it the entire time i i don't know why mr batman's afraid to discuss the flood i think it's because his position is so so terrible that he knows that he can't have a reasonable rational scientific conversation about it he has to go to well anywhere he can sort of hide his head i think so where do laws of science come from so we can do the scientific method cosmological constants of the sort okay i thought you were gonna ask a question but actually it was an answer and yeah if you felt like you got that answer out you want it was your question so then you sounds good we're moving forward because that was your question uh five dollar super chat from bitter truth batman why were you touching other topics and interrupting sounds like you lose the debate congrats mark read oh well um be completely honest i don't particularly be like to be told that i don't know the truth when somebody who can't tell me what is truth to begin with and where it comes from and how he knows it he can't tell me why laws of logic laws of physics laws of gravity cosmological constants work at all yet he's going to tell me he has a moral high ground it can tell me why things work the way they do that he's going to tell me that god's word is false well i'm going to tell you what god's word says every man be found a liar and god be found true i think i deserve to respond to that because that mr batman was talking about me i'll certainly give him the last word um i don't claim to know everything like mr batman i think that i don't know is sometimes the most honest answer and just because somebody doesn't know something doesn't mean you get to insert your god and sort of claim that you do know oh actually yes it does that's called that's called an argument from ignorance or no that's what you have because you don't know i do no no no no it doesn't mean that mr batman it seems means because i'm ignorant of where something comes from that you can just assume the answer no i don't want to see the answer i have knowledge yeah okay we have to be honest about these things and really honestly that's morality so where's morality come from there you go again appealing to my position again where does morality come from sir how do you know could i please talk could i please actually talk um yeah mr batman doesn't want me talking because you know somebody in the debate would make sense then um okay so so just because you don't know something doesn't mean anybody else's explanation is true you need evidence for that explanation itself and not just a gap in knowledge thank you okay see the problem with that is you don't know i'm telling you and i'm giving you evidence i'm proving to you where these things come from why the work the way they do i'm giving you evidence i'm saying this is the way it is and guess what you can't tell me i'm wrong you know why because you don't know have a nice day and uh on uh that five dollar super chat from hill hugger uh at margreed can you explain how the 900 different species of eucalyptus get to australia and or why do koalas only eat certain eucalyptus yeah so as far as i know that the eucalyptus sort of evolved in australia um it produces oils in order to keep insects away from it now sort of the koala evolved to be in a um and i do apologize if any of that is wrong and a big shout out to hill hugger a great person um the the the koala has a bacteria that it formed a symbiotic relationship with that breaks down eucalyptus as part of that evolutionary pattern it can no longer digest anything but eucalyptus um this makes the koala really sleepy and and has a has a very strange sort of um physiology um or or sort of digestive system um they actually have the mother has to feed the baby koala um the bacteria when it's young it's actually quite disgusting but um it passes on that bacteria which is a symbiotic relationship that has evolved with with this uh bacteria in koala oh thank you so very much mark and hill hugger for your super chat five dollar super chat from robert summers what is the evidence of the flood that isn't from the bible well that's easy fossils uh sedimentary layers of rock um sediment in the major ocean basins um there's all kinds of evidence for the flood outside of the bible but the bible is the main evidence for the flood because the bible is truth jesus said in john 14 six he is the way the truth and the life and psalm 119 verse 160 it says the sum of his word is truth and all of his righteous rulings his laws endure forever so jesus is the word of god he is the truth thank you so much for your super chat and your response another ten dollar super chat from bitter truth mark this guy is a blind follower he's defending his faith but the reality is there's no single evidence what his uh what his religion claims do you agree hold on one second because i want to make sure mark this guy is a blind follower he's defending his faith but the reality is there's no single evidence what his religion claims do you agree um in principle yes uh when you're talking about evidence there's always evidence for everything there's evidence for big foot people can say hey i saw big foot and that's technically evidence um you have evidence for UFOs where people say hey i you saw an alien and and technically that's evidence what we really have to ask is there sufficient evidence to believe it and that's where uh mr batman falls down in a hate because his evidence is based upon believing it in the first place like he says he keeps saying his best evidence is the bible itself the thing that he already believes to be true the whole point about the scientific method is you don't make these presuppositions to say hey this must be true and let's go out and find it so um but but i agree with the sentiment in principle i think there's always some evidence for anything at all but unfortunately as the flood the evidence is so incredibly terrible um that uh it's kind of i have no idea why the you know people like mr batman want to die on this hill oh no sorry i do it's because they believe the bible sorry my bad well i believe it because it's true and when god's word says something you can bank on it that's exactly the way it went down the truth it's history his story yeah so this is uh i'll just finish because the question was to me um the the the bible so so mr batman believes that the flood happened because of the bible and believes the bible's true the bible's true because all of these things happened he's in a circular argument he doesn't have a actual foundation for any of this he just claims god and that's for some reason he thinks that solves the issue for him sorry actually doesn't know don't i'll have the last word because it was my question yeah you do yeah you you actually do as i've sort of presented yeah so you do have a nice day sending so so much love to both of our interlocutors and everyone watching we got a one dollar super chat from ricky who is just sending in love and support and we are sending that love and support to uh and moving right forward five dollar super chat from hate stairs batman what happened to all of the salt slash freshwater fish good job mark and amy i'll send in so much love hate stairs but well that's not a problem either because where you look uh where the atlantic and the pacific come together because of the salinity of the two oceans being so different you can actually see where they come together now um the salt water would have stayed separated from the freshwater and so the freshwater fish would have been able to stay in their little pocket of the ocean and the saltwater fish would have been able to do the same not an issue sending so much love duchess of clothes for ten dollars you call people pentos when the debate isn't going your way would you have intimate relations with a child bride if god commanded it if not explain let's go deeper into your morality obsession i'm not sure i want to go there i okay i have no problem doing that uh as a matter of fact i didn't call anybody a pedo have i called people pedos in the past yes i have uh because i've had debates with people when they couldn't justify their morality and i would ask them the question now i didn't overtly call them a pedophile but they assumed that i did when i asked them the question would it be wrong for you to be a pedophile and if you say yes what is your justification for that always being wrong is it always going to be wrong for somebody to be a pedophile well see if you don't have the god of the bible then the answer has to be no it won't be always wrong because it's a subjective morality at that point that is your morality is based on you the subject and the subject can change their mind about moral statements at any time you could say guess what it's wrong to steal from me but it's not wrong for me to steal from you you could say that because that would be a subjective moral statement god's morality is never changing so if you're going to have morality that never changes it has to come from a moral lawgiver who never changes that's yahweh so you didn't answer the question they asked if you would be a pedophile if god commanded you don't have to worry about that sir god will never break his own laws how do you know because the law says so god says so but the law changed from the old testament right no sir it never changed so you still think you should stone to death children that uh dishonor their parents and things like that and that answer that no is going to we're going to keep on moving forward thank you to the super chatter and to both marina locketers and another question from malavia batman being a teacher explains why the us is getting so much dumber and falling behind other countries in education there's too many people like batman oh spicy mm-hmm you wish you had a teacher like me sending so much love and a two dollar super chat from jay vansicle i didn't attach a comment to my super chat so i think he was residing before sending love for the continued support can mr batman answer the population question sure god created them with a perfect genetic structure god knew exactly how to design them so they could repopulate the planet in a very short period of time once again when you have a perfect genetic structure it's not that difficult to do so god designed it now once again can we test that can we observe it can we repeat it no it's a forensic evidence it's forensic science can we look at what the word of god says and trust it yes we can now can we look at ourselves and can we do population studies yes if you would like you can go to the answers in genesis website and they have some really interesting population studies thank you for the super chat and answer and another one of ten dollars from best in show what is up from proverbs as a dog returns to its vomit the full quote batman returns to his folly um actually if you knew what that's referring to you wouldn't be using that five dollar super chat from franco for the bible tells me so mm-hmm truth by its very nature is exclusive and denies anything that denies it again jesus is the truth the word of god is true and not only can we believe it but we can trust it ten dollar super chat from meredon an atheist can justify reality as long as we make certain assumptions like sense perception non-contradiction identity excluded middle assumptions you also make nope i don't make assumptions here's the problem with that in order to give you that where's it come from where does the law of identity come from where does the law of non-contradiction come from where does the law of the excluded middle come from because you just quoted that we need them to have a physical world that the atheist could justify their position i used to be an atheist i know how this works no an atheist cannot justify their position they can dance around it but they cannot justify it so the fact of the matter is is when you've got an atheist uh or a believer and we're looking at stuff that happened in the past we're in the same boat we cannot test something that happened in the past we can do it right now we can do science right now and observe the evidence for something that's happened in the past we observe it right now but in order to do science you're dependent upon the god that gives you the laws of physics the laws of these cosmological constants that the entire physical world is dependent upon where do those come from so you can do science well i think you've missed the point of a presupposition like they were talking about the whole point of a presupposition is that you don't have to give where they came from that's actually yes or you do all that needs to happen is that you agree on the presupposition sure and i think we both agree on the presupposition that sort of our senses are real and that the laws of the laws of law just because you think your senses are real does not explain where laws of nature come from so your senses will work how what makes your nervous system work what makes your finger be able to touch that screen and feel something immediately in your brain know that you're feeling something what where does all these connections where does that come yeah so how come you have millions of communication connections in your brain you cannot justify where these things come from you don't want answers to so they these laws of nature are just properties inherent in the universe and we just they're not properties inherent in the universe sir you can't go there because everything in the universe decays over time these laws do not decay over time the law of identity non-contradiction and excluded middle they do not ever change because if they ever did we would not be here to complain about it and on that note the the laws of logic are not the laws of nature actually and then this bad man last statement there you go uh robert summers five dollars wait batman you said we can't know things happen the same way today as they did in the past but want to claim the bible gives uniformity uh unia uniformity of nature yes but it's el y so when i don't want to straw man i'm not worried to be going with that uniformity i am maybe they said probably what you meant to say what you just uniformity of nature well and again the reason we can justify the uniformity of nature by looking at the scripture is because god is the creator god designed everything in the physical world to work the way it does because he created us to live here see everything the earth itself god created the heavens and then he created the earth he created earth unique and special so he could house us his crowning achievement thank you so very much and i'm gonna have to bow out in about another minute or two all right uh so well with that then i will say uh that'll be the last super chat that we will take that just came in especially if you are looking to get a question from mr batman we have about four more minutes i'll take maybe questions open for mark and yeah i can hang around if if um yeah some coming for me but these will be the last super chats ladies and gentlemen i have enjoyed this debate i really do want to thank all of our interlocutors and mr batman feel free to interrupt whenever you do have to um leave but we'll keep on going down while we can um bitter truth for five dollars bible adam slash eve was 30 meter tall can you show us their fossils batman also mark please answer i i love that they think that adam and eve are 30 feet tall where do they get that see that's not in the scripture i'm solar scriptura if it's not in the scripture i don't want it we don't add to or take away from scripture god's word is perfect god's word never changes perfect things never change yeah so i i don't know about adam and eve being 30 foot tall uh that i certainly don't think there was an adam and eve and the genetic evidence doesn't seem to suggest that that all people came from two individuals more like a group of of a population in africa but um there's a whole bunch of stuff in the bible about the nephilim being giants no fossils of them have been found or rather i should say fossils have been found that have turned out to be hopes and fakes and things like that um so um you can't just get a human and stretch them out to 10 feet tall or whatever um so i think i think mr batman has to appeal to more magic on this one thank you thank you so very much for that another super chat from ricky for five dollars as a christian it's very sad to see batman act in such a non-christian way how can you call yourself to be a man of god and then not engage with the topic actually i was engaging with the topic because you are not familiar with what the real topic is when it comes to the ark because again when it comes right down to it what is the ark all about the ark is all about christ it's a pre incarnate example of christ jesus is our ark and it also shows us that the road to damnation is brought and many or most will find it look at how many people died in at the flood of noah how many people were saved very few the road to salvation is narrow and few will find it and who closed the door to the ark god himself did so the ark is something that's very important to history and the bible even tells us that in the last days there's going to be mockers that are just going to disregard the ark and say et never happened don't care and you know what what do we see all kinds of mockers that disregard disregard the ark disregard what the bible says disregard the word of god at all don't even look to it why because they don't want to be a moral subject of a moral god they want to be their own morality a law unto themselves this is why the materialistic atheistic worldview doesn't work and yeah i just can i just say something quickly as long as he can have a quick response yeah yeah so so so yeah no i get get what they're saying i think that more christians should stand up who can have you know reasonable polite discussions and conversations you know that you're respecting the other person um because we see less and less of that so if you are a christian like that i kind of encourage you to to try a bit of debate where you know you're not certainly not being yelled at but you can have a good meaningful debate about these kinds of subjects thank you oh do you want to have do you have anything to say mr batman i'm just gonna say i agree we need to have more people standing up unfortunately when i was an atheist that was one of the things i did was wreck christian worldviews right and left because most christians do not know how to defend their position now i'll go ahead and tell you right now i'm old and when it gets this late at night i get grumpy so i get passionate about the word of god anyway but now it's it's late i'm old and i'm grumpy and it's about two hours past my bedtime so i'm gonna bow out on that note so it's been a pleasure having a little chat with you mr reed thanks amy thank you so very much for being here mr batman um in a second i will probably just have to adjust the cameras but keep listening guys while mark reed continues to answer your question oh uh yeah mr batman i feel bad there is a thing uh oh the well there there's a few for you i'll i'll send send love um uh okay i i do have to send love we're gonna read them out loud just uh even if there's nothing um to say because these people did ask nicely give me one second sure sure absolutely yeah maybe i can steal men mr batman's position that's right well uh hasan says at the dark night if the if this did happen and the ark landed in africa for example how did animals get the rest of the planet uh i don't think it was supposed to have landed in africa mount ararat i suppose is middle east so um somewhere around uh palestine from memory um i'm not sure or how do they go through the rest of uh i don't think i don't know i'm sorry i don't know that is okay send in love to all those and i always know it always feels uh one sided when someone's not here to answer for themselves i kind of feel yeah exactly i'm gonna probably just read them out and then maybe just move through them if they're against them then if it's for you but kory clayton wants to know mr batman whenever something something came up that you couldn't answer you said it was god and you didn't need to explain further you lost hard oh the spice is real but thank you kory for your super chat a two dollar super chat from big bad mama mark how does it feel to debate in a rational man oh spicy but that is for you mark uh i think yeah so i don't want to talk bad about mr batman and i must admit i was frustrated um he wouldn't seem to let me talk a lot of the time but um this whole idea that rationality somehow has to be explained where it comes from and if you don't know you don't have any claim to rationality um is is just wrong um you don't need to explain where something comes from for us to use it like any tool you don't need to explain where your screwdriver was made and it's it's you know the way it was put together in order to use that tool and that's what rationality is for as long as we can agree that we both have rationality and that we're employing them and interestingly enough the laws of logic as long as we agree on them we can employ them and if i don't have the laws of logic well how are we having this conversation the entire time because we're relying on things like the law of identity and the law of excluded middle um and and the law of non-contradiction to have a conversation or else if you don't have the law of identity when you say hey mark what are you talking about because when you when you reference that that um that that object me you're you're putting on it every property that it has and none of the properties that it does not have so we need these things to be able to even have the conversation and just because i don't know where it comes from doesn't mean it doesn't exist um mr batman's making the claim that he knows where they come from can't demonstrate it unfortunately thank you so very much i did see a two dollar super chat from harry i'm just going to send love for all the support that you're giving us and we're sending that love right back uh at you harry and moving right along uh udiff five dollars batman what speed in miles and hours do you think the continents moved to get from pan gia to their current location in six k years um unless you have anything on that mark i'm gonna uh no comment very fast uh sending love uh though to you'd off out there for your super chat and the support and also a two dollar super chat from hill hugger mr b which reminds me of uh joker harley and joker recommends hey mr b explain 10 thousands of unique organisms on island tens of thousands of unique organisms on islands um send in love out there uh uh oh pat lounger another fantastic he would probably say that those organisms were created for those islands is probably what mr batman that would design for those islands i would imagine uh two dollars from pat says pyramid of dozier c two thousand six hundred and thirty b c e no egyptian flood thank you so very much for the super chat and the support pat send the love right back and i think we we only have two super chats we have a a extra juicy from paul hogan saying boop upside down people aren't ral aren't real uh sending so much love search in general shots fire this rally's not real wow wow uh thank you for all of the love and support and then the last super chat of the night i'm so from i'm sorry wilson if we weren't around to acknowledge the laws of logic would they still exist um if we weren't around to acknowledge the laws of logic would they still exist um kind of yes um we can we can do um uh logical properties in things like electronics but i think most of it is just a language about how we understand the properties of our uh reality um i don't think the laws of logic would be around i think that logical properties would still exist if that makes sense thank you so very much in fact thank you to all of our superchatters and our viewers that have been hanging around before i wrap up i do want to not only thank both of our interlocutors but send a reminder to everyone out on the inner webs that we often have aftershows on the mdd discord which i will shout out again in a second but also myself and james w will be running a aftershow open mic for anyone who's interested on the topic though if you think that you want to run your own modern day debate aftershow feel free to always start one and send us the link and we will show for you to show for us you have us maha and with that we want to thank our viewers and subscribers and everyone out there for joining us on modern day debate we are a neutral platform welcome everyone from all walks of life if you enjoy the show please don't forget to like follow or subscribe it really does help us reach a wider audience and get us more fantastic 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