 Dangerous of leadership without diversity and inclusion. A diverse mix of voices leads to better discussions, decisions and outcomes for everyone. That's from Sonda Pichai, the CEO of Google, the alphabet group in the U.S. In a democratic society where the gospel of free and fair process is being propagated, there is a need to look into the equality, especially in cosmopolitan areas. The tenets of a free and equal society which rests on the shoulders of democracy must be upheld. In situations where some members of the populace are being marginalized, it is difficult to maintain harmony and thus chaos and unhealthy rivalries become the end result. As a matter of fact, conflict is just one of the many negative effects inequality breeds in any given society. Such imbalances in leadership also lead to chaos and ethnic or racial rivalry, unevenness in the spread of resources, poverty, corruption, beatiness, biases in policymaking, zero transparency, administrative lapses, sectorial lapses. Given the recent happenings around, this cause and effect of poor policies, equaling terrible outcomes, has been a constant and the only way to revert these anomalies include inclusive policies, practical democracy, administrative transparency, fair politicking, policy mainstreaming. Eliminating biases from leadership brings about balances and development. Instead of going backwards, tackling parochial sentiments, leadership diversity will bring about the change we need on an incremental level. As Nigeria gradually commenced preparation for the 2023 general election through conducting primary elections in political parties and subsequently campaigns and general manifestos, it is important for all stakeholders to imbibe empathy and intentional inclusiveness of all demography, regions or any other ethno-social, cum-religious classifications of the citizenry. This would be the bedrock of a progressive and new Nigeria. In conclusion, inclusion is not a matter of political correctness, it is the key to growth and that's from JC Jackson, an American politician and political activist. So here we are again, ladies first. So when we talk about inclusion, what are you talking about? From what angle are you coming? Because I mean this inclusion word is becoming almost like... A common word, right? I mean it's just becoming, I don't know. Okay, let me explain. Inclusion in this aspect, we talked about, through your section, you talked about some persons trying to kick out the old folks. Yes, and the old folks are saying, no, we die here. This is where we are. And then imagine one politician recently said something, I won't mention his name but you might know who I'm talking about. A lady who went to one part of the country during a lecture, I think that was last year, and he said that send 50 million, there was a controversy between 50 million, did you see 50 million of 50,000 Nigerian youths to join the army? So I wonder, is it to be conscripted into the army or what? Mind you, being a military person is a very noble profession, is a very noble profession. Why do you just think of sending Nigerian youth there that that's what they can do and men fight Boko Haram and Enzi and he was making some ridiculous statements, so to see. Whereas I expected him, or we expected him to say something reasonable, you are showing interest to run for a political office. What are you going to do to the young Nigerian population, the youth, the unemployed graduates? He said join them in the military to cover unemployment. That would not cover unemployment. So what are you going to do, policies that you can enact, policies that can be enacted that will enhance development and inclusiveness of young people in business and other spheres of the country. So inclusiveness is all about bringing people to be part of something, to show happy voices in something. So I said that because it still boils down to what really boils me up or really freaks me out when we come see him and just talk about things. When you say, I mean, it's almost the similar issue with, you know, there are no, there are no more women in tech, you know. And I asked the question, who took them out of tech, right? So why are you not? So it's almost like we're sitting there waiting for someone to come and include us, right? So when you say inclusiveness, would you really come and include us? What are we doing from an end to get to sit at the table? What have we done as young folks? When I say, I'm talking about when you do it and you generate like a thousand metrics or a traction, I'm not talking about, I'm talking about, I mean, you understand the polity, understand how the rule of law works, you know, understand how leadership works, start from your, you know, grassroots level or something. What are we really doing, you know, as young people? Because we've been shouting, include us, inclusiveness, you know, who excluded us in the first place? The system, actually, to be fair. I mean, for me... It's unpopular, yeah, but I mean... To be honest, I would sort of align with your thoughts. I'm very funny like that. But I look at it from a different perspective. I feel like most times when we shout inclusiveness, comes from a place of pardon me, though, entitlement. That's one. So that's one thing. I mean, what she said is right in the sense that we need more young people, we need different kinds of people, not just people from one particular sector, or from one particular part of the country, or from one particular age group. We need diverse people. However, and, politically, what you're saying is that most times, the time you get a precedent, it's just like when we, when Bari came in the first time, and then he came up with his list, and everybody was shouting everywhere, oh, all the list is about only people from his side, only brought his people. You know, I see that, I understand that a constitution says you must have a certain quota. But I feel like that sort of gives room for, for what they call, what was the word? Please help me. Okay, okay. So it doesn't give room for merit. Okay, okay. It doesn't give room for merit. Put in square pegs. It doesn't give room for merit. So my point is that it's just like in a corporate world. If you want to grow, you have to be skilled. If you want to reach a certain level, you have to be skilled. If you want to build a company, you have to be skilled. So why are you shouting that you want to be included when you do not have the skill to run that office? I mean, including a fool doesn't make a fool wise. And that's what we've done over time. We look at it, sorry to cut you down. But look at it across board. You find out that because we are trying to fit into this inclusiveness policy, you're bringing people that are not doing, that cannot do the job. I don't know what they're doing. That's what has brought us to where we are today. Well, if I may respond to both of you, the thing is the concept of inclusiveness. We're not against it. No, no, no. Of course. We are all on the same page. We're on the same page. But you have a wonderful thought. Actually, I believe in what you said. But see, the truth of the matter is this is our country. We have our ethno-religious social concern. If you want to get to a certain level where you get the best from any part and nobody will see anything, there are strategies involved. Your strategies. You cannot just, we can't fly into flying. We have to walk. We have to crawl, walk, then fly. Now, here is the process. The crawling. You know that Nigerians are concerned about religions, religion and tribe. So I believe they are competing people in every part of the country. If somebody from a certain tribe is not as competent as somebody else from a certain... But in the essence of inclusion, you have to do whatever it takes to carry everybody along. If it means building up this other person so that there will be a balance. If we can conquer that, if we get to a stage where we will no longer see that as a problem. But that's the reality now. We have women here that are not involved in politics. Hold on, hold on. What exactly has been excluded? I want... Okay, now let me answer you. Let me answer you. In a particular state in the North, in a particular state in the North, are you aware that they don't allow women to handle leadership position? Yeah, it's common, women. Then you, on the other hand, you have young people, I just give you an example of a reviled politician saying that, like, imagine he had the opportunity to deliver a lecture. All he could just say was send them to the army. The fight... You are being emotional. Has any young person... You guys get this. Young persons came out last time now. What did you do about it? No. Have any young person... Have any young person come out and say, you know, what do you think about it? Well, I can pay for my choice. Do you know tomorrow now if I just... What's your young person? Yeah, sure. But I don't care about young people ruling, actually. What if I put up a poster like this and just go on social media and say, hey guys, you know, with my, you know, speak very well. I say I'm contest for, let's even say, a very low office. You'll say, go and see that one please. You can never win it. So that's also... And it's just telling me that I'm not going to win a young person. So somehow we're even fighting ourselves by ourselves. So I personally think that has any young person come out and then the old guy said, you know what, you can't have a seat here. Show me that person that came out. I don't want to mention this, but you know what they did to some of the young persons that came out. I won't mention them. Which young person came out? The system fought them. Look, I'm not... Get my point. I'm not angry at the old people. Neither am I supporting the young people. We're just saying that everybody should be respected. I'm not even concerned. To me, if an old, 100-year-old man becomes the president of Nigeria, the question is, does he have the temerity to lead? Does he have... Everybody's interested. If he does that, then good, he checks it. I don't care whether he's a young person. You know, I'm not a person. The question is, do you have everybody's interest at heart? That's the argument. That's inclusivity. I get you. You're playing around in a very blind spot. You know. I agree. It's not clear. We keep talking. Who had this show? Inclusion conversation. Because when I think about it, I try to bring it down to the corporate world at every point in time. Because that's where I work. As a corporate woman. That's what I do. That's what I understand. So if... I mean, I know there are people that tend to have issues where they say they don't have a seat at the table. Yeah, sure. They're not giving a seat at the table. And it's the truth. The truth is that... The truth is that someone that reversed so much tells us that if you are very good, to be honest, if you're very good and you're the only one... For instance, if you have a child that is sick, your only child is sick and there's just one doctor that can treat that ailment, or the inclusion you're talking of. There's no inclusion. So if you are very skilled, you don't need to be shouting inclusion. You don't need to be shouting. Nobody's giving a seat at the table. That's the truth. The truth of the matter is like I said... I'm not saying that... I'm not saying that there's no... There are no instances where people are not giving seats at the table. Marginalization. But non-inclusion... However, however... I don't like crying foul. I don't like pity parties. I always like to assess what am I doing wrong, what am I doing right. I don't give room for all those things. That's the way I think. And that's the way I like people around me to think. And that's the way I judge people as well. Let me ask you one thought, think about this question. I decided to do it. I decided that I would not... I decided that I'm not going to lash anybody in particular. But I don't want to call names. But there are some people in the corridors of power. This administration. The youth was trying to talk to them. 2020, 2020. Is it 2020? Right? What did they do? Did they listen to us? The NSW movement. Yeah, I get that. They said different. But it's part of the process. They had... Nigeria had a good opportunity to listen to the youth. Just for once. But they never listened. They fought back. They fought back. It's part of it. It's a broad scenario. It's a broad scenario. You have to look at it. It's a broad scenario. It's a broad scenario. It's a broad scenario. It's an issue of not wanting to listen. I mean, it's... Again, it's not... We're not just bantering and creating chaos. I'm just saying that we need to calm down, right? And look at what are the areas. You know, when someone was crying the whole, women are not getting into tech. And I engaged her. And I got some pointers to what she was talking about. Which is the fact that when you look at the fund raising and all of that, you'll likely find a male founder that's female. Actually disagree. I mean, tech right now. And I disagree. And really, really, really... You know, they actually had an appointment. Maybe our reality is a differential. It could be that it's... I don't even... Female. Thank you. Because he knows that the only... I'm going to hire. I hired a female person. I mean, I don't even totally agree. I'm just saying that we just go on the side of the divide. I did. And then we start saying, please, you know, help me. Nobody's giving us this in the table. Why are they didn't listen to us in the end source movement? That's not an inclusion issue. It's part of my role. That they told someone that you wanted to run, you know, for maybe local government. You cannot run. You are not going to run. Because you are young. I've never seen that. Well, they don't want to say it with alphabetically. Victor and the... They are... These guys are very... You have to penetrate. Yeah, penetration. Young people should penetrate. Exactly. But the system... The system is safe. The system is safe. Yeah. This word system is vague. Systemic and penetrate. Systemic. This topic is very emotional. So let's just... Because at any point in time... We can keep talking from back to this. My own is that Nigerians, let's try our best to work together. The country is a great country. Everybody should come together and work together. We need the old people. We need to learn from the experience. And the young people also need the vibrant... The old people need the vibrancy and the effervescence of the young people. Of course. So we need ourselves. Nothing like saying, old people should go away and young people should go and see that no, we should work together. Not to get me wrong. I'm not saying that we don't need this. At all. But the truth is that when you are crying foul, you have to ask yourself, what have I done wrong? Exactly. Exactly. Very important. And I mean, one of the things that has come up from this interesting banter it's really critical for us to reimagine things. You know, in my opening, I talked about the fact that history should not be erased. Right? When I talk about history, I'm talking about the old folks. It's something that should study. History is a pointer. Someone said something, you know, I mean, a notable, you know, philosopher. He said that the best way to live your life is to look backward. From backwards perspective. So it's very important for us not to say, you know, get out of the table. So if they put you on the table, now if they put a young person on the table, you know, just be present for, let's say, 48 hours, you know, you might be shocked that you just get there and you realize that it's beyond just to, of course, beyond just to give us that say. You know, we need to begin to reimagine how we've done things, what has not worked and then begin to do something different. And the lectures are building up. I don't see, I don't see us even doing something different. What's the rinse and repeat? I mean, young people will come out, do fine flyers, talk intellectually, use, you know, big words and then the old guys will get in again. So there's something. There's a generation. The thing is that there's a generational gap. We should try to fill it in. We should learn to work with the old people. And not fight anymore. And don't fight them. And the old people should not fight change. We young people were synonymous to change and doing things better and faster. Old people are synonymous to keeping values and being conservative about cultures. Let's play. Let's have a play. Yeah, handshake. Very important. Very important. All right. It's been an interesting banter here today. If there's one thing that has come up is the fact that young folks, it's important that we begin to re-emerge in, you know, the things that we're doing, even as the election begins to build up, which is a very interesting part of our nation. 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