 I mean, you can totally start while we're dithering. Like, it is not working. We're here. There's no actual agenda since I didn't even realize that this meeting was happening today until this morning. I was wondering if you're even in yet. So I'm glad. Yeah, and I mean, there's no agenda and I'm guessing there's a bunch of people that are still on vacation. So I was just thinking for the five or six people that are here, if there's anything that people wanna chat about, we can do that. But I don't have any agenda. Hey, I've got a way to work down with the community meeting because I don't think anyone else cares. I've got a technical topic to possibly chat about. Sure, sounds good. One of the next things I wanna do is fix the TCP proxy to deal with proxying TCP half-closes. Okay. And so the big question I have is do we want to make the connection events special for the TCP proxy or make everyone deal with half-closes and essentially all HTTP stuff would just treat it as a full close like it does now, but. Yeah, I think you and I had talked about this like six or three months ago or something like that. I think it was actually a year ago. Okay. It was January. Yeah, I mean, my gut still tells me that if we make everyone handle half-close, it's going to lead to chaos for like many people that don't care that would be my only concern. Well, so the other thing I was thinking about though is for at least network filters, if some of them could be used with either the TCP proxy or with HTTP, now they have to operate in two modes. It can either have half-close events or full-close events and that's more complicated. Yeah, I mean, I think this is going to be a really tricky change no matter what. My gut, and again, I've just thought about this for honestly 30 seconds, that we should try it as a opt-in thing and like maybe we could even enforce that there's no other filters or like there's something else like just to make it very targeted. And then if people like really want this for some reason, right? They say like, I want to use a filter with half-close with like the TCP proxy. We could figure out a way of actually opting in. I just, my gut tells me that if we do it everywhere, it will lead like, they'll just be like two months of regression. It's like, it'll be pretty bad. Okay, hmm. Okay, let me think about the code yet or I haven't in a year since I did it the first time. I've been doing some things. Let me, for my own sake, I'm going to try mocking it up as getting everyone on half-closes and just see how messy it is to start and then we'll have more data and all. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm totally happy to be proven wrong. I just have this suspicion that it's going to turn into a big mess but that might not be the case. Okay, well, I'll investigate and just figure out what it looks like either way and then we'll make a decision. Yeah, I mean, out of personal curiosity, is there an actual protocol that you need that is doing this? Like I just. So, yes, I've run into a couple of things which may or may not be exactly standards-conforming but really it's just a correctness thing. No, sure. It's part of the protocol and it should just work for all the protocols. Yep. Okay. What is work we need to do? What's that? It's common proxy stuff. Yeah. Are we meeting over there? We are not. Okay. Can you hear us? Yes. Yeah. Okay, so I will leave that on you to, yeah, we're going to need it as well. We have it configured on a per-service basis and some services actually need it and some don't, so. Yeah. Okay, so I mean, so you would be fine then if it were opt-in though, right? Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah, we can figure some on and some off so no matter what we're configuring but it is generically useful for people who want to really proxy TTP and actually be transparent. Yeah. Okay. All right. Sounds good. The other thing I was thinking about trying to do which I haven't investigated thoroughly is trying to proxy resets which I don't even know if the SOC could API is going to be nice enough to do that but it would be nice. I don't think it's possible but it might be. Well, so I know you can send a reset through really terrible means. Right. SOC API. I don't know if you can always read a reset. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that one we've never had a need for, so. It just has always bugged me to receive a reset and then send a fin in the other direction. But yeah, we'll see. Okay. I don't really need that either. I just like correctness. Sounds good to me. I just want to do it in a way that avoids breaking everyone so but yeah. Yeah, okay. Any other topics that anyone wanted to chat about? The only other thing that I wanted to mention is there's a bunch of conference stuff that's coming up so there's the KubeCon Europe obviously in May and then there's the whole kind of summer conference season around velocity and a couple other conferences. It would be great to get other people speaking of conferences so you don't need to sign up now but if there are people who are interested in doing proposals or who would like to kind of do an envoy talk at a conference either this summer or later this fall, let's absolutely chat about that. It's probably worth bringing up on Slack as well since as you say a lot of people are on vacation. Yep. I was planning on doing it on Slack and I'll send an email about it. Perfect. Okay, I'm trying to think of what else. I didn't really prepare for this at all so I don't have anything. I'm still in the vacation haze. I don't think I have anything. Does anyone else have anything that they wanna bring up? I think we're good. Okay, we'll be better prepared in two weeks. All right. Thank you. All right, bye. See you later. He's been about as much time trying to figure out how to make the conversation. So.