 Guys welcome back again, of course, we have a special guest as all of our guests are special Matt Lacroix Who I will also not be giving The intro for because he's a very multi-talented human being so we're gonna leave it to him Matt. What's up? How you doing man? Hey, well, it's really an honor to sit down and talk to you I'm honestly a huge fan. You're one of the most talented soccer football players I've you know ever seen so I I truly appreciate Sitting down having this conversation and I'm great. I'm fantastic. Cool. Yeah, we know you congrats on everything with Gaia I know you you've just moved and you've got a lot going on. Yeah, so I've been a fan for a while as we talked just before this got going Because we're about to delve into some things that I think Everybody who's a fan of the podcast will know that we love delving into this stuff from having guys like Dean Raiden on Tom Campbell, you know, we had Billy Carson on just not not too long ago so Dealing to history is what I think we want to do today And it's gonna be a story that I'm sure a lot of you guys have not heard so before we get into that Matt Why don't you tell us? Who you are how you've gotten on this road and path and why you're qualified also to talk about this. Thanks Well, so I'm an inquisitive guy from New England that grew up in the outdoors spent a lot of time Really trying to push the limits of the physical material world like you know as an athlete Doing a lot of running and hiking and exploring mountains and Kayaking down whitewater rapids in rivers and just trying to do explore all those things in the physical world because I didn't really know that There's a lot of other things that you really could Delve into these mysteries of ancient history and science a lot of things that we're not necessarily really taught in school You know, we're not necessarily in school and people are saying Hey, there's there are a lot of these mysteries about our ancient past that we don't really don't understand and Please go out there and investigate them. That's not that's not really what we're told And so for a long time I was just one of those guys that was just really inquisitive and just spent a lot of time in the outdoors and And eventually I started to ask a lot of questions like a lot of other people do About things around me about consciousness how if we're just this You know it evolved ape that is that the brain is creating consciousness Then, you know, what are we in terms of the cosmos? Are we just nothing or are we are we part of something greater and those types of questions? Led me further and further down to looking into ancient civilizations looking into ancient writings the most The oldest writings in the world that try to tell this forgotten story about us about who we are and about what happened long ago And like you've mentioned before when we were chatting it was like a rabbit hole I didn't expect any of these things to occur It sort of fell in my lap and I I wanted to investigate them because I already was that inquisitive person I think you have to be a certain kind of person to really Go full both feet into this and really looking into this and so for me it was an unexpected life path for me about ten years ago and then since then it's just been a Wild experience of learning as much as I could I am I have a good background in terms of environmental science But I'm not an actual Archaeologist, but I took it up on myself to just study as much as I possibly could right now I'm in the process of actually learning how to read Sumerian cuneiform And rather than going through just necessarily the best translators I wanted to actually have that myself so those are some of the things I've been working on To further some of my knowledge base before you know taking on some of these new steps like working with Gaia and some of the other things That I'll be doing I mean that's yeah, that's incredible because It shares a lot of similarities with my approach to learning, you know, I'm I'm a college dropout technically right I left to go and play professionally at 19 and a Lot of the reasons for that was mainly because it was good for me to go pro at the time It made perfect sense also the Rest of my schooling would have been paid for had I wanted to continue but really it was stifling me because the questions that I wanted to ask You can't in the traditional path and method. They're they're not there and like you like you said in delving into some of these mysteries The school system is set up to tell you what it's Reality is is like this and they tell you this is what it is. They want to give you answers to things It's not in whether it's Aristotle or Plato now my mind is Is missing but the idea there is is to question, you know and in by questioning things you gain knowledge and So where do we start then because if you're if you're if you're trying to learn Sumerian or to read Sumerian Which I don't even is that possible? How is that possible? Let me stop there. How is that what? What do you have to learn in order to learn an ancient? It's important to know a little bit of why that's important. I think a lot of people will be like who cares about Sumerian, right? well When you start to Look into ancient text and information about the past you run into some roadblocks as you know You run to things like you start studying you look at religion you look at all the you know the Christian texts and you You maybe reject those pretty quick like a lot of us have Because you learn quickly that those are based on much earlier writings And they were tampered with and manipulated in many cases But they weren't the original stories about our past But that's the other thing that's a conflict, right? We're told that everything that's in these ancient stories are myths They're they're not real. They're just allegories. They're just things to teach us lessons that none of those things really happen But the more you start to really look into those stories the most ancient of the writings We have in of our any civilization existed You find that well, they actually mentioned very specific cities and they mentioned very specific regions and Individuals kings that ruled and use the more you look at it the more you start saying wait a minute This isn't a myth at all. This is telling us our history And so the reason why Sumerian was so it's so important is that Sumerian is the oldest Advanced language, you know that some early indigenous cultures may have been doing some kind of Primitive language, but Sumerians the first advanced language that we can find records are on the earth that actually survives And I want to make that very clear that it's very easy for things to disappear That would be one of the highlights of this I guess this discussion, but basically To get a little background Sumerian and then later Akkadian that branched off it That's the first record we have for all of these stories But it's not like they just had a couple little stories It contains essentially the essence of most of what religion eventually became of those stories Compounded into later becoming a lot of these Abrahamic religious stories Coming from even stemming from ancient Hebrew texts and others But I quickly realized that if I wanted to find the truth and this early story of us You really got to go to the source and that's Sumerian and I want to just bring up that Not only did I really want to focus on who the best Cereologists translators in the world were so I knew that I'm reading a correct message Not something that maybe was mistranslated and then give us a false view of what really happened But after I did that I've taken that's this time over the last couple couple weeks to really study Cuneiform and I want to just point out what's so amazing and unusual about it Cuneiform is the only language on earth then instead of having an alphabet Which you you're gonna appreciate this is it's someone who speaks multiple languages and who studied this But Sumerian is the only language in the world that instead of having an alphabet that you can learn Oh, that's the symbol for whatever letter to then understand it There's no alphabet every single word in syllable has its own symbol Meaning that you have to learn Thousands of characters more than you ever would for any other language on earth now to compound on that will Sumerians also what they call an Individual closed language that's not shared by any other language in the world So when you when you learn, you know, you look at ancient Greek And you look at you maybe ancient you look at Hebrew and you look at some of the earlier languages You look at French and all those other languages You find that they have a lot of times they have like a common ancestor of where those languages came from and I'm not an Alinguist expert But when you when you look at Sumerian you find that it isn't it's what's known as an isolated language Meaning that besides it's small the small branch of Acadian. It's not shared by any other languages in the world It's almost like completely lost in time And it truly is lost in time because when that link when those when those ancient texts were written Sumerian eventually was so long ago that it died out and for thousands of years No one even knew how to read it. That blows my mind Totally, I mean so then in trying to understand this and I want to I want to go back to give people an idea of Some of the stories that they may be is the epic of Gilgamesh. Is that a Sumerian? Is that it is it? Okay, it's um, yeah, it's one of the most famous obviously, right? Because like people have heard of that one more than others, right? Okay, and that was essentially got let's say translated to or transformed slowly into the the story of Noah Or the flood story is that correct? It's similar so basically let me just just correct this because some people are yelling me So the epic of Gilgamesh does contain the flood story they call it the great deluge We're gonna go into that more as we go through I'm sure But the actual story of Noah is in what's known as the Audra hasis But they do share very common similarities for instance that figure in Audra hasis is mentioned in the epic of Gilgamesh And then the flood story is mirrored So yes, it is But it's it's not like if you were to take the Noah story and try to compare it You would have to go to the Audra hasis for that. I see I see okay So then in your best abilities then based on what everybody understands for what is modern history In how maybe you can give us a Contrasting view of what currently the current trope and paradigm is for how society says the last 10,000 40,000 essentially the the story of humans what they say it is right now and then you can go ahead and Discuss what these tablets are suggesting and what other people who have studied, you know these subjects have figured out I think it'd be good to just get a refresher on that. Sure. Absolutely and I guess the first place to start is you got a shatter paradigms Right, and that's very difficult for people to do. That's and I feel like that's not really discussed enough Individuals that maybe are studying this type of information Sometimes almost laugh at others like don't you understand to see it so obvious, right? Why can't you why can't you see this right in front of your face? Well, it's not that easy because when you grow when you have an entire lifetime of what's known as conditioning you go through And you're told what is what your parents tell you then in school you get told this curriculum now Some might not know that that curriculum that was created by the Rockefellers that Curriculum has to be taught in every school You can't diverge from that or you will lose your teaching license And so how does all this stuff end up the way that it has? Well because it's it's very much a Doctrine of history and remember history is written by the victors And that's probably going to be one of the key messages of this discussion is we have to understand that what we're told Is the story of what happened is not all in most cases is not really what happened because it gets rewritten And you know when you think of Columbus Conquering the Americas the indigenous American cultures and his view of coming in there and how we've perceived it up until what five Five six years ago when it's starting to change now when and then you look you go down through the Americas, right Cortez Conquering the Aztec in Mexico as a hero and now we start to see it's not really like that at all And then down to Pizarro in South America You start to see that we're told in some one version that those are the heroes And then we find out that they're not really the heroes. So what is the story, right? What is the truth? Well, that's why you have to shatter your paradigms. You have to just take them Maybe don't get rid of them put them up on a shelf somewhere and just put them there for a minute and and hold on to them You don't need to get rid of them forever But be open-minded towards what's possible and just consider it for a moment to see if it makes sense, right? And that's what you have to do and I wanted to preface before I started discussing that so people can get that kind of Mindset we have a very conditioned mentality through a whole lifetime of people telling us what's real and what's not and In many ways when you really start to dig into the story and the evidence that exists, you see that really is overwhelmingly Almost screaming at us to look at our story in a different light Look at how old civilizations are in a different light. Look at what defines us in a different light and In many many other things and so I guess to start this is the paradigm We're taught and then we're gonna break away from that paradigm and bring in the evidence that really I guess shatters that paradigm in to me Completely shatters it. So we're told in school, you know, if you you go into high school and you're you're learning about You're learning about Mankind's history, you know human history and you find out well We were nomadic hunter and gatherers that just randomly got knowledge of astronomy astrology mathematics all those things just came out of nowhere and civilization just Sort of slowly came up out of the ground and we started farming and then eventually here. We are right That's what we're told. There's nothing. There's no sophistication to it at all There's no influences. There's no sophistication We just randomly figured it out and then now we're kind of a an angry ape that's fighting over it And it's okay because we're you know, we have these primitive urges and it's fine that we kill each other and do all these terrible things Right, that's not what the ancients tell us at all In fact, if you take the the oldest cultures in the world and what they wrote about and you lump them all together You get the complete opposite story and it's not like it's just shared by one region Everything from the Popol Vuh in from the Mayan origin stories all the way down through the Inca Crossing the ocean into a lot of the ancient Egyptian cultures and Mesopotamian cultures and within the region that's today Iraq and Iran up through Syria and all the way over into Balabak, Lebanon and up along the Mediterranean and Turkey and much further you find that they echo nearly the same story. They they state that Human civilization is not 6,000 years old like we're told where it emerged They're right about where it emerged the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia, which we'll talk about But they're not right about how old it is and about how far back it goes and many other things And that's this paradigm that we're going to destroy is we're going to look at we can talk about ice core data Geological information we can look at the most hardness scale on stone these some of these massive Megalithic stones that these cultures were able to create and and so on and so on all the way to these ancient texts and we Find this incredible story that unfolds that completely redefines Your entire reality is the best way to describe it. Uh-huh So with with with that being said where where does one begin because I it's hard for everybody to understand all these All of these records and to run through all of that and to the best of my knowledge one of the most interesting things that I also saw was Which I'm obviously I know you're gonna be aware of Rebecca tepe and you may have you may have spoken on it and that's been one of the more recent ones I know and that's obviously that's something And just to kind of preface and you can correct me if I'm wrong But it was our understanding that there were essentially hunters hunter-gatherers in that region of Turkey For that's what we were told and that we assumed and then they started they slowly started digging and it turned out that this was possibly a sizeable civilization that eventually Disappeared they they moved out on them on For God knows whatever reason they buried the city possibly even and I know I'm jumping just just a little bit But the reason for that is that that's fairly that's a really recent Let's say acknowledgement by more or less the the mainstream I don't know if it's still getting some some pushback, but It's hard for everybody to understand. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah, I know I mean, but so Then with that being said what have you I? Kind of I kind of want to go back to where where are we going to start to have that divergence Where is that true divergence in? What you've said is it at the flooding process? Yeah in the flood it where where do we say that? there's a point in history right where You either have to say that Civilizations existed before this and that is what led to this or you can continue down the mainstream path it seems very unlikely that The balance is It's not at both ends It's either one or the other either we existed as a civilization before and there was a flood or some sort of Cataclysm and there are remnants of a society that kind of understood it, you know Or you have to believe that we just Figured it out. Like you said, there's what's really hard to be in between. So What's the best evidence you would have for for for that then well We can I guess we can start in terms of some really hard evidence that people can look at to begin Right, like you said, let's start where you mentioned because I do think that gobeckli tepi is a great example And I know I talk about it a lot But there's a lot of other sites around the world that have great evidence But the reason what why gobeckli tepi is being so focused on is it's still being studied very extensively and we're not in the time when things can be Swept under the rug is easy. I guess it's a good way to put it. Okay. So what makes gobeckli tepi so important, right? Well It's a site that as you mentioned the first peculiar thing about it was that it was buried under Massive amounts of sediment and I mean massive. I mean well over 10 20 feet in some places of sediment, but it wasn't Randomly and didn't randomly end up there because of some event. It was buried. They actually some have some Archeologists have have stated that it may have taken as much time to bury it as it did to create it so why would a culture do that right well the Easiest answer to that is to preserve it How long ago we're talking sorry to the Yeah, that's that's an important segue to add in there Okay, so remember we're told in all of our classes that human civilization started in the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia Six Mesopotamia six thousand years ago roughly that's about what they all state. Okay, but Archeologists have gone into this site gobeckli tepi. That's only 20 or 30 percent excavated massive site Okay, and they found out that it's an astronomical temple. It's not like a oh There's some brick buildings here that look kind of fun to explore. No, it's nothing like that It's one of the most sophisticated Astronomical temples in the world Perfectly aligned to to essentially Cardinal Northeast Southwest It's a it's basically a mapping the heavens and they have these massive t-shaped pillars that are more than 20 tons In some cases that we can get into why those are important But the important thing is when they uncovered that site and they've gone in They've gone into those structures and they've taken organic matter from many different spots Not just one place all kinds of different locations within those stones tiny little bits of organic matter That was able to get you know put way inside some of the cracks on those stones those t-shaped pillars And they found that oh wow when you radiocarbon date it that organic matter because you can't date stone Very important understand you find that it is about 11,600 years old. Okay, so Not quite double But getting towards double the age that we're told that human civilization was supposed to have existed, right? But what's what's more important than that is as they were digging through the layers of soil Which is like looking at tree rings. It gives you this story of what happened in when it happened, right? Deeper you go the older it is As they went down they hit all that sophistication of gobecki tepe in all that building and underneath it They did find no nomadic hunter and gathers and before some people be like aha See the mainstream story is correct It actually proves the opposite because what it means is that there were hunter gather groups wandering around But then all of a sudden they just jumped into a civilization like out of nowhere, right out of nowhere And I just want to just have people wrap their heads around the idea of can you imagine a Group hunter gatherers wandering around looking for food Hunting here there and moving around and then deciding to just randomly spot stop in a place with very little water or food and Create an incredible astronomical temple first of all Why would they do that if they're just a hunter gather group and secondly? What would motivate a group like that to do it and how would they even get any of that knowledge? It doesn't make any sense, right? It doesn't make any sense unless You start to consider the alternate theories which are that they were influenced by somewhere now and I can I can We'll look we'll go into this a little bit But we don't we won't go into too far yet But when you really start looking at what Plato said in the Timmy is incredulous talking to Solon who had knowledge of ancient Egypt Ancient stories that predated the Library of Alexandria which we can get into but they clearly stated that there was a grand Civilization a maritime civilization known as Atlantis that everyone knows about and it was destroyed violently in earth Cataclysms that'll be one of the highlights that we continuously talk about But those survivors from from Atlantis went primarily to two places in the world They went to Egypt and they went to the area of Turkey that region of Turkey and that was That's why that sophistication just came out of nowhere It was essentially an attempt to try to preserve that knowledge so that it wouldn't be lost and that is something that you see as a theme across all because I I went down what let's call it another rabbit hole where at some point let's say 10 15 years ago I've been to Egypt right and I've seen the pyramids and that's one of the coolest things ever to be to be honest I was one of the the wonders that I was most impressed by because number one in on TV They don't show you that obviously you're just driving through Giza that it's a city And that you can just drive down the street and then all of a sudden up pop these Incredible pyramids and then when you get out to walk and and see on them. It's stunning but all that all those years ago I went and kind of figured out that apparently there are pyramids everywhere all over the world in places that it just in societies and cultures spanning different time periods that seemingly Shouldn't have had contact and shouldn't you know so Is it possible then my question to you that there was in the past a I don't want to call it global civilization but a connection between Or it was it this Atlantis Period were they more globally connected were they more able to move around? you know across the earth did their understanding of earth was it way better and Deeper than what we give them credit for which clearly on some end It must be with the advance in astronomy them looking out and understanding how to build things to match them up with the sky They're understanding, you know, and maybe you could get into even I had written down here just the dogo tribe If I'm pronouncing that correctly their knowledge of a star system that yeah, how is it maybe could yes I know I just threw a whole lot of things out to you, but Sorry, okay. Well, I guess we'll start with that and we'll go backwards. Okay, so You we mentioned earlier on what are these things that stand out that people can really just go aha, right? Those moments that don't make any sense in conventional thinking that allows them to go down that rabbit hole We'll start we'll start with the dogan because I love that story is my favorites for those who aren't familiar with the dogan in the 1930s French anthropologists went to visit this country in Western Africa called Molly and You know, there are a lot of African cultures are pretty primitive, right? But we have to start wrapping our heads around what makes something more sophisticated in what makes something less sophisticated if you have cars and you know CD players and iPads and all those things are you more sophisticated than a culture that has vast knowledge of the cosmos and the earth and understanding consciousness How do you define what is really? Sophistication because to me you really could think that a lot of those other things that I mentioned are really Materialistic things that are almost blinding us to the real reality that exists around us You know, what does it matter if there's a solar flare that goes off the Sun from a grand solar maximum? And we're here living off a grid that's entirely based on electricity and it goes down, you know We were all of a sudden we seem pretty primitive won't we when everything goes out So we have to wrap our heads around what makes a society more advanced in what makes might make something seem more primitive but the dogan were was a really interesting group because They may have lived a primitive means of living off the earth and not needing Houses giant houses and all these technological things They were happy with that life But what they had that was important was they had knowledge that went back far older than their culture all the way back to Egypt And the story of the dogan if you if you look into it I highly recommend people read the serious mysteries by Robert temple But the dogan had come from Egypt long ago and they settled in that area of Mali And they had some stories that they had contained that were so important that they had a Set of elders that would have to exclusively live in a complete isolation from the rest of the tribe. Why? Get back to that old game child's game called telephone if you tell a story And then you pass that story to someone else and you've had someone else and that and so on Eventually it's going to be distorted to something completely different than when it started I guess I don't you call that human nature or what you would call it But the dogan realized that the you know that this this story that they had was so important That the only way to contain it was to have these elders that essentially lived in a in a dark An isolated cave and they they could have almost no communication. They also inside world They'd actually have like a Liaison that we could own the only person that could contact them give them food and water There was only one person they would trust that one person Why because they're the ones who had the story and the only way for them to not lose that story was to protect it So these French anthropologist anthropologists come out of the jungle and they they come up to this tribe And they're level look at this you know primitive tribe and they're just talking to them and the dogan start telling this fantastic story that completely blew their mind and they did no no concept for how to Explain it based on our conventional thinking of having nothing be connected right every every culture in the world is isolated They're not haven't been connected by anything. Whatever they discover is completely random on their own Well the dogan still state. No, that's not at all how that happened They state that there were I Guess intelligent influences that came to them a long time ago. They called them a onus Or the no mo and basically they explained that they were these Beings that told that explain knowledge of everything they explain knowledge of the earth of the cosmos About consciousness about who we are but more importantly, they gave them very specific knowledge of all the celestial movements in our and our Milky Way galaxy, but specifically the serious Star system who knows Canis major, okay? And I got to just add because I love this if people don't know go watch the Truman show that movie the Truman show Yeah, yeah, I saw it not too long ago actually and Make sure you pause it when that light falls out of the sky and he picks it up because what it says on it is Serious Canis major on the light and the light in that movie represents him all of a sudden waking up and realizing He's in a complete illusion world, right? And I thought that was amazing because in many ways the story of the dogan can do the same thing So it's no is to me. It's not an accident at all. So okay, what am I spouting up about? Well, then dogan understood not only our our cosmos, right? Remember telescopes hadn't been invented they understood the movements of all of our planets in our solar system But they also knew all of the movements of different stars in Canis major known as serious a and b and eventually c The problem and they could they could draw them for them Right, they would they'd get in the sand and they would show them all the alignments and where these stars were and where everything moved in The cosmos and these French anthropologists were just stunned They couldn't understand how this primitive culture could have known that telescopes had radio telescopes hadn't even invented yet They wouldn't be invented for many many many years later Here's the wild thing the dogan knew not only that but they knew all of serious B and C Series B hadn't even been discovered yet. Okay, and serious C still hasn't been discovered So how could this culture in the middle of Western Africa know that? Well, it's it basically echoes the same sentiment that all these other cultures in the world have which is in their texts They state that they're not the ones who came up with all these things like for instance the Sumerians If you look at this if the origin story in that we're told in school. Yes, all those things we think of mathematics astrology agriculture metallurgy having Having raising animals and all those in linguistics everything you could basically think of that's a building block of a civilization The Sumerians claim they were told that knowledge and that's how everything started that they were given that knowledge And that's what's so wild about the story about all these things because quickly you realize that oh wow so it's not really that we're just Randomly coming up with these things there have been influences and we can talk about those that have created these civilizations And those civilizations have had these secrets carried down over long periods of time, but this is the problem They all state the same thing there have been series of cataclysms catastrophes on the earth that make what we've seen in our modern human experience here Completely pale in comparison. So extinction like extinction like so we're getting at the point that possibly civilization has restarted Come over and I mean we don't know how many times essentially that's the idea exactly and so it became a game of One how do you map to plan for when those things are going to happen? Which is what I believe go back the teppy is It's a way to map the heavens to map to map what are known as those zodiac ages or Procession of the axis of the earth basically they can it's how time is really Observed not how we observe time how they observe time was based on on these 2100 hundred year cycles and you add up 2100 years by the 12 different zodiac ages You get a 26,000 year period which was known as the great year That's how they measure time and they understood that based on those certain time periods that those cataclysms would likely happen So what they do go back to teppy they create this incredible temple They have all the all the things that haven't been discovered yet all preserved there Then they deliberately bury it to protect it so that long in the future When we come along and we don't believe that any of those civilizations existed Those things can be there for us to realize and and then have that knowledge to bring back in and not have to start over again so, I mean what does that say then about consciousness because If these let's say beans we don't know whether these are physical beans And I'd love to get your take on ancient aliens and how far it's gone And I mean now it's become this popularized concept, which probably You know, I can remember years ago when it was just I mean, maybe not years ago from like Eric von Danigan Time because that's before my time and probably before your time as well, but It's been that's changed. It's become this popularized theory. It's on the history channel It's kind of broken into the mainstream and you know, it gets made fun of but then has it's you know It has its defenders and it's it's gone too far. So that's almost In a sense where you're headed, but maybe not exactly I don't I don't want to just blanket term it as an ancient aliens thing because there's so much that's attached to that now But is that essentially where we're going? These are possible possibly aliens possibly physical beings possibly interdimensional I don't know what possibly some sort of meditation sort of, you know, they're mystical experiences We haven't even touched on what could what some of these cultures must have known from things like DMT and Yeah mushrooms and there's a whole lot to be, you know understood as to who exactly these beings were or were they just Another civilization that clearly figured it out over all that time. So let's let's start here. Let's let's Let's preface this with stating that you've heard of the Fermi paradox Okay, the idea that we're in this such a vast cosmos that has to have life, but yet we can't find it, right? It's just where is it? It's a paradox. It's so weird that it should all be out there, but it's not But it but is it that's and that's the thing that I want us to wrap our heads around I Think that too too many people get stuck in this I don't want to call it a primitive mindset because that's not a nice thing to say It's a but it's a mindset where I think Changes over time it evolves as you start to look at it if you were some advanced group something that have reached So so far in sophistication that all of these things that we think are important They're almost like silly in that case and you were advanced and you were you would not be just Traveling around in some craft. Okay, that doesn't make any sense not only that but points between star systems are so many thousands of light years that Those are just conventional Thinking that I and I know I'm gonna offend a lot of UFO people out here, and I'm sorry I really do think that we have to look at all of this in a completely different way For instance, remember when them you've ever seen the movie contact with Jodie Foster. I just saw it. I just saw it. Yeah, okay? 90% and I don't know if that number is actually accurate. I'm just throwing that out there People were like disappointed in that movie right because that's true. We're gonna finally see these aliens, right? Did you know? They created this space for her not to spoiler or nobody's seen it They create this space for her and then they take on This representation of like of her father and then they communicate through her father in a place. That's not earth, right? Who it's some kind of a Creation of a place that would be comfortable for her shows like an ocean with ocean waves coming in because they know we're from earth Right, that's that's what we're comfortable with and so I Think that's and that's course that Carl Sagan was one of the main people who wrote that yeah, right? Yeah, I think that's the mindset we should wrap our heads around is that not like little green men flying around in these ships and landing and Coming out and deciding to know I don't think that's how it is at all And I think that's why the Fermi Paradox exists because any group that's advanced Wouldn't just pollute a timeline of another culture by just flying around everywhere and be like hey You know waving to us that's silly if you reach that that advanced state Why would you do that right and that's exactly what all the evidence? I see really points towards is that yes, there were Influences that were absolutely intelligent influences from nearly every one of these cultures either the culture was started from a knowledge seeding or Those individuals that were already incredibly wise and had learned that some ancient priests or whatever We're traveling and then teaching others That's how I think that all of this went down based on how I've studied it But it means that we need to change our perception About how we view that polluted term aliens or how we view and I don't even I don't even use that term I just I use something like entity or being or or whatever it is because frankly we don't even know What's possible our perception are you know our five senses in this really limited physical world? We can't see most of really what's around us, and I know you know what I'm talking about right if someone Was to go into a deep state of meditation even potentially take some some of these psychoactive things like you mentioned DMT They everyone says the same thing you Anyone that goes down in the air the ramizan rains in rainforest and meets with the shaman and drinks Iowasca right DMT the primary component of that goes into a place. That's not our reality That's it. That's that's there's no other way you can describe it is not our reality longer You've now left the material physical reality in your somewhere else. What does that mean? Well, the ancients state that our reality is only one of like a sandwiched like or onion like View of what reality really is it's like layers of perception Right dimensions layered on top of one another and we are almost like in the middle sandwiched in the middle And we can't really most of us can't really perceive the higher Realities or even the lower realities. We're sort of stuck in this like a cone mentality of you Where we can't really see much of what's happening around us But what happens when you break down those barriers, right? You take those things It shatters those paradigms and those barriers and all of a sudden you go into a place that is Hard to describe and there's intelligent beings there every time that's what everyone always says right always some kind of intelligent beings there And they communicate and they say incredibly intelligent things. They don't tell you hey This is the best way you can go bar barbecue some steaks Yeah, they don't that none of that stuff matters at all. That's all silly almost silly or stupid They tell you things like This is how you can learn to change. This is what consciousness is this is blah blah blah they go on and on right? That's what I was gonna go and that's what I wanted to To touch on because as a guy who is and I've told the story before I think on in on separate Podcasts is that my mom was the one that got me into a meditation But I didn't do it when she said you know I was very young 14 or so and I can remember walking upstairs and she was meditating She said hey you want to meditate with me and I was just like, you know, I'm 14 or 15 Like this is so stupid. Like why would I why would I do that? Of course, it eventually did take just a few years later You know and so I've been more or less, you know I like call myself more or less a lifelong Meditator and I will you know never stop. And so and one thing you'll notice is that You you have to start questioning your senses and what what? What reality really is when you stop and it's very hard for the modern man or woman to really digest that unless you have stopped and Figured try to think you want to slow down slow down your thoughts slow down your experience and How am I perceiving the world and when you get in a meditative state and you get into a very deep state? Things happen and your your senses change reality changes and this is not it's not it's not weird at all and Part of the issue is that not enough people are doing it. It's it's definitely changing I think we've seen that but With the question that was gonna ask you before even getting into consciousness because that's something I want to I want to dig on because that we had Dean Raiden on who I think you may know of Are you familiar with who Dean Raiden is? Not fully with his work, but I know of him. Okay. Well, yeah, so he is the chief scientist. I believe at the Institute of noetic science and they study consciousness obviously and he was involved with some It is called remote viewing Experiments, you know in the 70s for the CIA and you know, he had you know, some secret clearances and stuff like that to do Stuff but that's a whole other subject. But before we even dig into consciousness. You mentioned UFOs and that I just want to get your take really quickly on the fact that now UFOs, which I'm sorry Not UFOs UAPs are a real thing because when we were kids This statement just wouldn't you could not have that on mainstream on CNN. I'm not even about it forget CNN on 60 minutes There's a full thing that just says oh, yeah, by the way Yeah, those are yeah, we don't know what that is Acknowledgement of it. I'd love to know what you if you have any just take on what that is and why now because they're not new Yeah, it's not new footage now. This is gonna definitely piss a few people off and I'm sorry But I don't I want to provide my side of it based on the evidence and just to help clarify things First of all, yes, those craft those things. Yeah, those are real. Those are those are there, right? I'm not I'm not trying to be like pretending those things aren't real. Absolutely. Those are real But when you start looking into things like the Nazis and what they were playing with some of the technology during when the Germans were looking at some of the advanced technology one of the reasons why they actually lost the war was they started getting So obsessed with technology not that I'm saying anything about which way it should go. I'm just stating fact They started getting obsessed with technology and they started playing around with anti gravity technology And you can see all kinds of papers on that, okay And when when World War two was ending the United States was frantic to get a lot of this advanced technology Because they wanted to be the first one to create an atomic bomb and they knew that the Nazis were close But they were also playing with things like anti gravity technology and all these things which Where that came from is another discussion, right? But they had that information and that knowledge and so Just go look it up on your computer and this is to pull this up But it's called operation paperclip and they went over and they took like over a hundred And they might even a thousand of these Nazi scientists and they brought them back to the United States And they basically just like tried to take every bit of knowledge they had and all of a sudden You get like these these incidents of these weird craft flying around the United States and they're like kind of covering It up and then all these things and then here we go Then United States becomes the most advanced technological superpower of the world just like out of nowhere, right and You really start to find out that it really was german Nazi technology that they took and Then you have all these strange bases that are opened up by the u.s. Government like dulcey and all these other things And you can't go near them and that's where they always see these craft flying around, right? And there's a lot of well not always but that's commonly where you see things happen around these Super high-end military bases that are not supposed to exist I believe based on what i've studied that most of that Is secret government technology that they're just kind of like testing and and playing around with right And then they can't say that so they kind of pretend they're hiding in like it's oh, it's aliens Right, so the people are looking at the wrong the wrong way It's like misdirection the whole time Really when you think about it like I was saying when I was you know, it's disgusting before why would a Intelligent group travel Thousands of light years from some star system somewhere to just blatantly fly around obvious in front of us And with the knowledge that you're polluting that entire timeline of that species and causing all of those problems that you're causing Then the easiest way to say it is I think it would be irresponsible Completely irresponsible and I just think that that's why the Fermi paradox exists Because any group that was able to get advanced enough to be able to travel the stars Wouldn't just be in some craft. They would be using things like dimensional gateways Means to travel in ways that aren't linear. They wouldn't be a linear mindset And I think that's how we should look at these things where A lot of the stuff that were like for instance a lot of this stuff you just mentioned these disclosure I think it's misdirection people are focused on that They're not focused on the other things. They're not focused on who these influences were of all of these ancient civilizations Why when you go to a place place like um Machu Picchu in Peru why you see Incredible mortarless megalithic blocks Giant multi-ton blocks on the bottom most levels and then as you go up It becomes more simplistic using brick and mortar if we're told the civilizations were more advanced later and not earlier It's completely backwards Now those are the things that we really should be asking about Because they break open the paradigm of all of what's happened here and where where that those influences came from So then that being said and I I think you're you're you're probably pretty spot on because it's very suspicious to think why now with all of the why now the Disclosure is a very strange thing and a topic that is just too complicated and too complex to really understand but Everybody and what's clearly happened over the course of these last 10 maybe even to be honest Probably since I would say September 11th. It's been a slow decline of people's faith in what the government Has as far as the truth giving out to them and it's just you know, it's just so It's a strange thing and uh, I'm glad you touched on the the occult and and and the nazis because that's also something That doesn't get a whole lot of mainstream play and I was having a discussion with somebody the other day about my understanding of world war two And what school gave me and I basically just said Hitler bad America was great and That's that was that was the general thesis Of what I think school wanted to portray to me a villain and a savior Um, and uh, so if you really wanted to delve deeper into what happened and things like that There's all this and I don't know what's real on the true occult And uh, you know There's a lot of different stories now Some that can be verified and some maybe that can't about What the nazis really believed about ancient history what they knew about some of the stuff that you're talking about and and so that's that's my segue into These ancient civilizations like take the doggone for for instance. For instance, they knew about Ancient knowledge and and things is it possible then? I'm assuming it's possible That these ancient civilizations knew something about our Our universe our consciousness how we How we interact maybe even what what why we're here, uh besides how we got here why we're here and and how to function So is there is there anything that you've learned across? All of these studies for what these, you know, maybe even the cuneiform tablets That is in a practical sense for somebody that wants to say, you know Learn from your history because you know learn from your past. You don't want to repeat those mistakes What is it and what are some things that That you pulled from these ancient societies that we could use is that consciousness meditation? balanced life What have you found? Yeah, so I guess I'll start with answering your question about this occult knowledge The germans became obsessed with Going into these ancient civilizations and going into some of the the knowledge they knew pertaining to understanding the planet the energy grids of the planet and how free energy Wrap anti gravity free energy how things like that could work because those cultures had already figured those things out That's the connection of why they were obsessed. They knew that a lot of ancient cultures had knowledge of physics knowledge of Energy and that's what all of this comes down to so they can give me an example Oh before you even get into that example, could I even cut you and just say what would be the best source for that? What would be the best source for someone to to try and figure out that the nazis did have that Understanding because it's it's so not mainstream. It's it's not. I know what is what what would be the best place for us to look to say Look, uh, you know not hitler maybe hitler's second third and command was obsessed or this group Is there a source for that? You know, I'm not I'm not an expert on that area I've I've just it's one of those things where it's like a rabbit hole where I've been online reading just countless things and Verifying things here and there. I don't have anything In terms of definitive like a book to mention but I know there's a lot of people listening to this that do So please, um, you know mention that in the comments or whatever because I know there's a lot of stuff out there I just don't I don't have it right in front of me But yeah, there is a lot of people who have studied that I think that's why in the indiana jones movies They showed how the nazis were in like africa and in all these different places That was the reason They knew that there was ancient knowledge protected in those cultures simple as that and then That's why we find such Sophistication in all of the megalithic building that they did the locations of where they built it and why they built it So I guess we can use this to connect to now and how it relates to us Everybody most people that listen to me they know this and but you got to say it because it's it's one of those things That people have to hear You're like you visit the pyramids of egypt, right the largest structures on earth. They're in this pyramid design And we're told that that pyramid design was simply just to House pharaohs so that a tomb was put in the bottom and then you'd have this giant structure That would be how they'd be honoring this great pharaoh, right? And that we've grown up in school that that was the purpose of pyramids. They're tombs tombs, right? It's it's almost like Engrained in us that that's what they are and then you start to learn about it and simply learning about what the pyramids some of the details of the pyramids can be It's singular in itself or destroying someone's paradigm So give you a little bit of information The pyramids are found in a very specific place on the earth for a reason when they went in to uncover them Early pictures in the 1800s of like the great sphinx. It was buried in sand, okay? It already been lost. So when we think of as the dynastic egyptians Khufu, right man cure all those ain't those dynastic pharaohs You find out that no we've never found a pharaoh in any of those pyramids And in fact, there's no writings in any of the pyramids at all If anything that is contained someone else ascribe when it and actually did that like on a corner or something like that But they were actually forbidden to go in and even write and they knew that These these pharaohs knew that and that's why they didn't go in and tamper with the pyramids You find out that all of the pharaohs of egypt were buried in a place called the valley of the kings Which is over 400 miles to the south near aswan Which is actually where a lot of the granite For those, you know The hundreds of miles away would come from because it had a high quartz silica content And that's one of the key things to remember here So we had these three enormous pyramids, right? And they used to be covered in what are known as limestone caps So they had limestone coverings on them and they were granite inside Okay, and that was their functionality and they and they there's no pharaohs in them But they had these strange air shafts. They were called that pointed to just different star constellations. Okay So if they're not tombs, then what are they? Well, they they realized that they're actually Perfectly harmonic harmonically tuned to both human consciousness and the energy of the earth And when you look at what are known as energetic lay lines now for people who don't know what those are When we think of as a planet a terrestrial planet, which is what earth is which means it's mostly composed of rock Not a gas planet It is In many ways the ancients actually had names for it and they would call it like a conscious being the earth They would call it things like tiamat and sophia and all these different names throughout history But to them the earth was a conscious Living entity and that's why energy mattered so much. Okay So what they would do was the earth has a north and a south pole. Okay Those poles keep everything in the material world in its place Changes that occur on the physical level always have to occur on an energetic level first It has that's just the way it is we perceive everything on a material physical level, but really most of The meat of what occurs outside of that that leads to everything functioning is on this non physical level this energetic level So if you have a north and a south pole that are balancing this energetic planet, right this outer ozone that protects the whole planet from these these um ultra magnetic rays violent solar magnetic rays that come out and that in effect the whole planet You you learn that if those those poles are based on this energetic wave that crosses all over the planet That's part of a grid known as lay lines and lay lines simply mean these energetic convergence zones Of the on the planet and when those things get disturbed the ancients knew that that's when you get problems And I don't subscribe to all of these Cataclysms simply being asteroid and comet strikes. I I don't I don't think that that's solely what was responsible for all of these events I think that the main component is the sun and the um The cosmic alignments of things like getting near the galactic center of our milky way and all these different things Because the reason I say that is You mentioned how there's pyramids all of the world and there's ancient temples all of the world That relate to specific older cultures that had knowledge that was lost. That's the common theme, right those cultures Created incredibly sophisticated temples and structures based on very specific geology And then they vanished and then another culture came later and tried to mimic them And then they might have vanished too and it's just stepping stone down to where we think we're so advanced now But in many ways our understanding of things is almost childlike compared to them Okay So when you look at structures around the world Go to start in starting Peru A lot of the Inca temples oya iti tambo sasuke waman Machu Picchu over into places like along link kiri kaka tiwanaku pumapunku these very bizarre razor-edge stone cuts that would have been impossible with Bronze age tools to create these in fact, we can't even create some of them now Places like fallback lebanon with a trilithon that weighs almost 1200 tons Basically the size of multi buses stacked on top each other told that the romans moved it It doesn't make any sense But the point I'm trying to make is every one of those structures if you map them across the world They're on these energetic convergence zones on the planet And in fact in places like tiwanaku pumapunku around Lake Titicaca You almost can't even live there. There's no water. There's no food So why would they build there, right? Yes, the climate was different back then Supposedly potentially making those places more hospitable, but that wasn't the reason They would just they would know that these locations were important And they would ancient texts talk about how they would lay divine bricks and these divine blocks in certain places That they needed to because they realized that they had to control the energy of the earth or Catastrophes would wipe everything out Okay, so Sorry to cut you then to understand it all there was a Clearly there was a point There was a rhyme and reason behind why we have these ancient structures in those places And you're saying it's very possible that they're there in order to Keep the balance and keep the peace because delay lines represent Uh order across the I mean not necessarily order but an energy flow across the the planet And therefore that's what we find the pyramids there We find Machu Picchu where it is and you know, there's across Europe I can't even think our Stonehenge. Maybe does Stonehenge follow across some lay lines And so with that being the case then I have to ask the ultimate question, which is What do they know? What is what is besides that? What's the what is the end game of having this? I have a pyramid here Is it is it an energy? Is it do something else? Because that's really what I would love to know I mean you clearly maybe you don't know the answer that you maybe have an inkling But it seems to me that it's just so fascinating because my one of my last questions was going to be Uh You know who's keeping the guard who's utilizing this if you have all this ancient knowledge and and it is like we said It's very possible that the Nazis figure some stuff out And if you have an understanding of these lay lines Well, what can you do? Can you and I just go out and build a great building there a skyscraper there of some kind and utilize free energy or You know, so that's a that's a great point. Look at today's modern buildings. We build with mostly metal and um sometimes brick and Sometimes wood but these various these various things that aren't giant blocks of stone, right? Yeah, you see some large Central buildings that are still made of stone, but largely we don't do that. We don't really build that way What was money's we understood? I guess the first place is There are locations in egypt um, you can see in Tempting karnak temple of sedi various places. There are blocks That are that are things like aswan granite or even things like travertine that come from potentially a thousand miles away Right, if you have a culture you're going to build a structure First thing you're going to do is go get up these multi-tum blocks and transport them 500 to a thousand miles Why? Why not just take the stone you have right there? Because the stones contained quartz or silica. That's it What do we use that today for? Watches today modern watches if you have a watch You'll see that that's the one of the primary components is quartz or silica still in that keeping time time, okay These cultures knew that they would have this specific type of block. It would have an energetic Resonance frequency that would then be able to be harmonically tuned to the earth, okay Now you said you talk about how these things all over the world are here and they're functioning Well, that's the thing. They're not functioning any longer. And that's the most critical part to understand when you look at Geological records and you look at ancient Sumerian tablets of this What's known as the great deluge and all these different events that led to tsunamis and solar flares Causing vitrification on stone meaning melting stone, which by the way takes over a thousand degrees to melt to melt stone or quartz A thousand degrees, right? We're complaining when it like right now. It's going to be 95 today. The grease here It's really hot, right imagine a thousand degrees. You basically would just evaporate any life that have gone existed on the surface Well in a lot of places like in Peru and to an aku in Egypt We find stones that we know are from those cultures that are like burned or melted Right, there's a one as my favorite one is called the Colossae of Memnon, okay out of the Themen necropolis go look up the Colossae of Memnon Okay, it's basically these giant statues outside of ramsies temple where They're broken and burned and melted on one side only on the north or northeast side only on on every structure Right, not only that but all these structures that were built in these places are all off magnetic north by 23 and a half degrees Every single structure on these locations is off by 23 and a half degrees meaning that this cataclysm shift the entire earth's Wobble, that's how serious it was that we're no longer in the same magnetic north as we were back then So these cultures this these events were so serious that they had to create Underground cities to live like in places like Derin Kuyu in Turkey Where you have hundreds of rooms with connected air shafts to them that we're told they just were were built to like hide from an army Tell you one thing that's not a very good place to hide if you ask me But if you were hiding from a solar flare that the temperatures We could spike a thousand degrees and wipe out life And you'd have that increased radiation that'd be the only place you could go Would be would be down in those places and that's where I just want to mention one more thing That's where they would go But I want to mention one more thing when you go to places like the Osirion in Sakara, Egypt You go down way way down into ground. That's the common theme every time with this These pyramids are built over these giant underground systems where there's aquifers, right connecting right down to the earth When you go down in there, you see these giant stone boxes, right? They're like a tomb, but there's no there's no emptiness in them to put a someone in there They're just solid granite blocks a lot of them are blown open Broken right up right out and a lot of these other structures are either broken or Show severe damage in what I had a lot of great researchers Brian Forrester and Robert Shock and many many others I just want to mention because I'm not going to take credit for all this But a lot of great researchers have looked into this and they one of the common themes that has come up is that energetic grid That they were trying to keep balanced Became overwhelmed and destroyed everything like shut the whole system down and wiped all those cultures out and and today There's you know, we're in a similar situation where here we are 12,000 years ago And I haven't mentioned yet, but geologic samples really do seem to indicate that these events Occur are about every 12,000 years or so and so we're due for another Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that was it's a perfect subway because that's where I was going to go It was my My more or less, you know to try and summarize question was going to be where do you think we're going what? You know based on a good study of history you can sometimes predict the future sometimes right? I mean, it's it's not always that way But where do you see us going then as a civilization or do you think that we have this ability? I mean obviously climate change is in the news now. That's that's a thing and we'll continue to be a thing for the next You know for the foreseeable future Have we screwed up or is there a way back? Do you think we're we're done or the powers that be too powerful and you know, what do you think? Well, you know if you look at it on the surface and you look at how unbalanced we become and how broken We are in many ways becoming so focused on things like the material world Trashing our planning having no respect for it at all Almost losing our connection to to nature not even caring people say, you know, I just see trees or whatever they see That's that's a broken person in my opinion That's someone who's become disconnected to the very heart and root of what we really were and so Some would look at that in the surface and say Do we even deserve to get to the next stage right? You know all these incredible ancient cultures that came before us that had that balance and that knowledge and they were wiped out So why do we deserve to get to the next point? Well, it's very interesting because The Maya have prophecies that they have long ago predicted I know everyone knows the 2012 writers the world's supposed to end Which wasn't what they said at all They actually said that the current state of consciousness would end and it would be the birth of a universal consciousness And in fact, that's what chi chi needs so we kukakon's temple the nine different stages the levels of his temple Reaching the top with a feathered serpents at the bottom that represents the ascension to the top of the higher universal consciousness And the Maya stayed well as broken as we are through fear and war in the material world We're supposed to we're prophesied to go the next stage And that's that is interesting, but they state that there have been were the fifth were the fifth they say the fifth Society or a culture of mankind that's come after the rest have been wiped out So there's there's four that have come before us Atlantis would be in there ancient sumer and atlantis and those cultures that were in In puru and bolivia that they call the the bureaucotians. That's what the name they give them for is But they state that those cultures came and went but we're not supposed to Be destroyed this time. This is the one that's supposed to stick which I find kind of ironic and funny But so to give people some positive stuff about My thoughts on this a lot of people are running around really thinking that the world's going to end and that all these things Are going to lead to our destruction and the more that I look at it the more that it may actually be a byproduct of How powerful and controlling the elites actually became because they probably they're so fearful of Everything being destroyed that there will because of of their power and their influence the technology That may be what it ends up saving everybody in the end And I what do I say that right When you look at a lot of evidence, um, I highly recommend people look into john brennan with what's known as sais I talk about that stuff all the time geoengineering and the effect that it can have to minimize solar impacts on our geomagnetic poles Of our planet and I highly recommend people look at some of the technology that um has maybe been used in the north and south pole Why do I say that? My favorite example is the Inuit of northern canada. They have come out with alarms over years and years over the last many years because they Were one of the only groups still left on the planet. They were hunting hunter and gatherers based on the stars they would use the stars to Navigate to locations and they elders came out and you can look at this It's really common. You can see it all over there's interviews that have been done with some of these um elders And they state that the stars are in a different alignment than they used to be They're not in the same place anymore. They can't follow the same routes because they're not right anymore What what does that mean? the same time Last couple years you look at nasa and a lot of government organizations have been flying up to the north pole You probably know this will because they have to go up and readjust where magnetic north is Why because it's shift. It's wobbling. It's been moving around. That's what's causing the The Inuit to see a different star alignment. What does that mean? It means that our earth is being influenced And wobbling enough that it's changing its orientation enough that those star alignments are changing and magnetic poles are are wobbling around When you have a wobble you get things like increased volcanic activity some increase some some increased climate activity storms But you don't get anything catastrophic if you get a shift All hell breaks loose Because truly that's what's keeping the tectonic plates in the place that they are Is based on this energetic balance of the north and south pole and that's what the ancients knew So if you get a rapid shift Of the say the north pole and the south pole You basically have it's almost like if you're driving in a car And you have a fish tank with a ton of water in it, right? And then you stop and all that water just keeps going. That's what this essentially is like it's like we're Trying to stop a process from just completely caving in and causing destruction By trying to slow it down and using technology And I think I would be willing to bet will this goes all the way back to the german technology in the occult we said We may be Honestly that we may still be here because they're using I believe they're using technologies just like the ancients did but different Like in more advanced technologies to prevent those very same things that they were trying to prevent And I think that that's why so many strange things are happening with Like for instance, the planet is the hottest that we have in records that have ever been kept, right? And that's classic for what occurs when the sun goes through what are known as grand solar Maximums to grand solar minimums and vice versa. We know that because ice ages Continuously form disappear in form and that represents the sun going through different cycles So the ancients knew that every time you go through a cycle All hell breaks loose and that's what they were essentially trying to protect because will What would be the most important thing of all for a civilization? If if you were going to be wiped out you would need to protect that knowledge wouldn't memory. Yeah Yeah for the next to come and I I really think that that's what a lot of this comes down to That's that is an an incredible thing to think about that they could be possibly influencing It's just such a hard thing to grasp in my head to imagine something like maybe harp and DARPA and or I don't know any of these You know massive or whatever the large agent collider and I know there's an official story for what that is and There's probably there's an unofficial story for other people With you know Shiva being represented and them putting all sorts of weird myths and things outside it but the idea that we have Possible technology and things like that and everybody has to completely understand that the things that are in the quote-unquote black world for tech technological speaking You know that come out They will come out in 60 years 100 years, you know, but they're here now and and that's that's just a fact We all we all know this you know from the internet being around well before we all got a chance to to run around on it in the 90s to Plains and it's all there. So it's very possible that we we have these things It's just to see that at such a grand level you know into influence or really just It's it's mind-blowing. It's just you know, and we sit here and and You know, I have I have a few more. I'm gonna I'm gonna kill it here Just because we're gonna have you back on and we have to have you on Some more we didn't even talk about a bunch of the stuff Oh, yeah, which is which is fine because that's always what happens on our podcast Anyway, it's just it's just it's cool to have these open-ended, you know discussions and to ask questions to somebody who's Delved into this stuff, but maybe next time we'll even go in with an even more Uh, you know Concentrated Question, you know, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I wanted to give all the people here who are just gonna be there's so many People are gonna be hearing this for the first time They've got enough now to go dig into some stuff go check out your you know youtube channel Um and or what else can you announce? Where should guys go for for more from you? Sure, um, I have thanks Thank you for that I appreciate it I have a website the stage of time calm that I have a lot of cool stuff for people to check out on there timelines and graphs and Ancient texts people can go read if you want to know some read some of those important of these ancient Sumerian stories that talk about Ancient bloodline kings that ruled for, you know hundreds of years or more and these disastrous deluges that the gods brought down to wipe out every all of humanity because There were you know, all these things like the book of Enoch talks about with giants and all these things But that all that stuff is in these ancient texts So anyway the stage of time calm my youtube channel is Matthew will proy And I also have two books the stage of time and the illusion of us What uh, what do you have going on with gaya? Can you announce that yet or is that still under wraps? I mean Uh, I can't talk about anything that i'm doing with gaya, but I will be working with gaya Some for some pretty exciting stuff coming up in the future Sure that i'm really looking forward to doing and I just I guess I encourage everybody to If you can subscribe and I'm I'm hoping to take some of this research to that to the next level. Yeah, okay Well, awesome. Listen guys go check out all that I know for a lot of you guys You guys are scratching your heads and you're ready now to to go delve into into more and so matt Matt will be back. We're gonna have matt and billy on Here when this gets up, it'll probably just be a few weeks before that other one airs So go check that out if you are watching this Leave a comment down below and otherwise go check out the show notes and matt. Thanks for being here, man We'll do this again. Thank you so much. Well, I really appreciate it and I can't wait to talk to you again All right. See you guys later