 George Bruno with the 21 report. We're at the 21 summit in Orlando, Florida. The year is 2020 And I'm having a conversation with Socrates. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me back Well, here we go. We risked again with the 22 convention. That was the first Area of risk and then the other risk was we put the patriarch in 21 convention all like all three stages together in one event We risked. No. No, we didn't tell me That would be fine in 2019. Yeah, we're in the year 2020. Yeah, we dared We dared and there's a distinct difference between a normal risk of I'm gonna do a business venture in any other environment And we're gonna do this The 20 21 event a patriarch event in 2018 2019. Let's just say 2025. Yeah, okay That would be a risk. That would be a financial risk a business risk. No We're in the age of 2020 in this sexual cultural marketplace and we've done two things Not only did we sit down and say we're gonna come together in meet in mass and we're gonna do this We're gonna socialize like socialized being like civilized men, but we're gonna take it a step further We are gonna dare Dare have a conversation about the sexes Openly honestly and engage the woman like that with the sex This was not a convention of women fix yourselves, you know, it was not that I mean there was a degree of hey There is something seriously wrong and you need to take agency. Yes, okay There's completely different but the Conversations that were had between men and women the dialogue that were coming back and forth and one of my suggestions is I know We always do a Q&A after at the end of it I think it was noted in this particular case particularly at the 22 con that Q&A is not necessarily appropriate I think that a question the answer would be fine But I think it was more important We saw more of that at the 22 con of woman coming up and giving their narrative their story It was their chance to talk to that speaker about the impacts of what they said about things that are their lives How the things that they saw in your talk reflected in their lives and we saw some of that narrative coming out And that was an opportunity in that venue to have that take place But then like I've always said the value of attending is not at the presentation Then you have the same conversations at breakfast at lunch at dinner in between the hallways And there's something remarkably different to hearing the stats about how women have been sold a bill of goods Okay, and have lost out on the impacts of being able to have Love commitment marriage family the joys of children all those sort of things and see Literally in a woman's eye as close as you and I are the thousand one Micro expressions that take place when you see the sorrow the grief the humiliation The sense of foolishness being sold a bill of goods and having bought into it and it being too late Yeah, and that impacts you on a human level that you're just not going to get on a A book and an article seen it on YouTube when you see the woman's face telling you her story And she has a chance to say it to people who understand and realize I need to do something about this this can't go on We cannot allow the next generation to fall into the same misgivings and this mistakes Yeah, what's interesting is you don't have to give up your man card To have women present a lot of a lot of the early critics of this concept. We're saying Oh, they're getting light now. It's red pill light I think we ramped it up Even a little bit more. Well, I've always thought that was intriguing because I know these individuals I also think these are men who can't talk to women Who are not used to being challenged and if you're used to dogma being delivered without it being challenged, you know a cult I don't think you can have a conversation. Why would you want to have a conversation? You would go to lengths to make sure that conversation was shut down. We've seen that my Premise to begin with it was not just make women great again, but the title of the speech is why make women great again and I took a lot of the Criticism that some of the red pill community and make how community would have on trying to make women great again Also, some of the Defenses elements that you hear from feminists of, you know, we're good enough the way we are Why would you want to make women great again and apply that and they kind of kind of show them? It's like, you know, why and here and give an emotional reason not a statistical analysis Not a rational argument, but an emotional Argument as to let's look at this, you know And then honestly, there's a difference between a Critic providing feedback that means you well as opposed to a critic providing the same information that means you ill And you better be able to determine what advice to take and why and you can hear the same things from two different sources Know which one to listen to and which one not and my suggestion is if someone means you ill Dismiss at all because you won't be able to you'll have a much harder time figuring out what's what's good advice compared to bad You'd be better off to stop and listen to somebody who means you well And truly listen hear them out and reflect And I think you'll be much better served and one of my questions I have And presented is does if if feminism is about equality and all those sort of things that they market and sell and publicize on Does feminism mean men well? And the answer becomes really intuitive the non-intuitive question becomes does feminism Means women well When so much that we can measure of the impacts of feminism harms women harms children And yes, they can point to several things But the other element is are we able to even measure and that becomes a whole nother issues You're not allowed to criticize feminism You're not allowed to measure it and if you did you start to analyze it But ultimately my talk was I believe women are virtuous that people naturally want to be virtuous And I'm not talking to outliers just in general and that they'll strive for Virtue and if you can showcase this like look This doesn't stand for what you think it does And if if you have a problem with this we need women to speak up women have an obligation to police around Against the worst vices of feminism and we know they're rampant And good women have to speak up and if good women are unwilling to speak up They're relying on good men to do it for them. Yeah, and that's where we're at today Yeah So you don't feel you had to go easy on the women or Dial back a little bit. Absolutely. No, I you have to target the audience The first speech I wrote Was clear it was factual and it was brutal and I looked at it in the tone And there would be no way to Present that information without it being overly hostile and it may be justified, you know But you sit down and say I don't think people are going to respond with that, you know a very aggressive a very, you know, and in many cases Shining a very bright light on some of the ugliest aspects, you know the deepest. Yes damage being done I think it was sufficient enough to plan a seed and say, hey Something's wrong, you know, if we're meant to if we're meant to be together and this is kind of our guiding principle Is this getting in our way, you know, um I kind of read a Actually the entire lyrics to a 1985 song From the Eurythmics teaming with Aretha Franklin and his sisters are doing it for themselves And it's a remarkable upbeat Pumped up great tune and feminist anthem clear and clear But the last verses are Interesting enough and I I want to attribute to Aretha Franklin. I don't know but I just have this suspect that it is Is that in the end a man still wants loves a woman and a woman still loves a man 35 years ago that song was written I don't think it would get the airplay it did today. Yeah And I told the ladies you've come a long long ways in many ways. You've gone too far You know and to bring it back home, wasn't that part of an advertising camp? Oh, absolutely. You've come a long way, baby What was that a virginia slims virginia slims You you because women can smoke cigarettes that are designed specifically for them long slender elegant 60s or 70s 70s 1970s That's correct. You come a long way. Yeah, that's right. And that's I had that in back my mind And it's still resonated. Yeah, you're absolutely right and in some ways you've gone too far. You've gone too far Yeah, how have they gone too far? It's it's in excesses, you know, you know, whether you want to talk about a pendulum swing Um, when you can't sit down and say you you're about equality when you attack a gender when you attack boys when you attack men When you attack fathers when your imagery is all revolutionary violent logo. It was you can't talk about equality If you are attacking right or or your missions to destroy Interesting. Yeah, okay. Is that it? And then not only that the visual images. So I'm talking about destroying But I'm talking about equality. No, no, you're it's bait and switch Something's not congruent when it's not concluded the greater the separation between what's being said and what's being done Is the length of the lie? And we say that sentence again the difference between what's being said and what's being done That that measurement that distance between the two is at a minimum the length of the lie. Wow And right now feminism has a serious lying problem Wow Yeah, and and that's not a gender thing, you know, and if it was body quality We should be able to talk about all these we should be able to talk about the relationship between the sex Men's health should be an issue boys health should be an issue But the reality is it's not just about not men's health. It's also not about women's health. Is it not really? No, it's not no when when and I showcase before and after Images of feminists and saying when the fruits of your of your labor when the fruits of your ideology produce this How can he not be disturbed? Yeah, and for for feminism to know this and acknowledge this and accept this They don't have women's stake at heart. Not not only that this is intentional This is a motif. This is and it's beyond aesthetics. They this is what's expected. You're expected to gravitate it It is a brand it is a look. This is what they want They want people women particular to look like traumatized individuals And it falls in that victimhood narrative How can be a victim when you look glowing and you're happy and everything else, you know, really successful You know a victim should look like a victim and to be a victim you have to traumatize Which is another point of the talk was That that self speaking, you know, and I talk about Cyber psychonetics was the first time when they talked about visioning is that you vision they clear and the more focused and defined And the number of times you repeat it. You you literally create that reality It becomes a potentiality that you can drive through. I think feminism has done just that with victimhood Okay, and there's a term for that in other parlance. It's called brainwashing Okay, and you can do it for good or you can do it for ill And I think in this particular case this sort of visioning has been very detrimental to women It has not led to women become more thriving More whole more complete more fulfilled more actuated None of these terms are associated with feminism today and the results that they're getting And I can't look at that as you know as a man as an architect and sit down and say This is healthy for people or society or civilization And so there are some significant concerns there What about women who literally have been victimized not the Like oh, he looked at me Kind of thing or he told me I looked pretty, you know in the workplace. And of course that's considered Inappropriate right, but the true Victimization right one woman Talked about how she was raped by a family member at nine years old right? It was real. Yeah very real really happen. Yes And there's a lot of people in the men's community Who would try to silence her and I told her that her voice is important. It is. Yeah Address that address the realities of Being violated We we can talk about force force force associations. It's a nice clinical term for rape. Yeah, yes, you know, it's in a sexual regard It is a criminal act. It should be viewed as criminal It should be viewed as serious And it should be treated harshly and seriously. Yeah, I don't think there's an argument on that Okay, I think most people would agree with that The interesting thing is I I have a problem and this is kind of a segue A little bit offset to it is feminism has used those sort of allegations as a curmudgeon to the point that She has crawled wolf too too far a few times or too many two times Yes, and when you call wolf all of a sudden we're not going to pay attention Yeah, and I think that was highlighted on the Kavanaugh hearing. Yes And I think that was a form of intellectual rape. That was a form of gender rape Of to use a sheer accusation now interestingly enough the accusation came to light multiple years way way late Okay, so let's we're not even talking technically about that But the fact that it was dropped after the hearings technically closed to reopen them And so that hadn't been done and then we have congressional hearings despite any Any sort of support supported Factor information in any regard that this would even been an investigation on on a police level let alone something for congress to review You know a form of government Um, and you see that I have gotten to the point that I can't hear about a rape allegation and merely default to I need to wait to hear the facts You know and it's impressive that even in instances where you sit down and say I would more likely sit down and assume The presumed victim is truly a victim I immediately am now defaulting back out. I've been lied to and misled so many times That I no longer want to hear it And so in this particular case with this woman What do we get to the point where you have a woman who has been victimized who has been sexually assaulted? Who has been grossly raped in society? What has feminism done for her? Right. It's not men Amen harmed her Okay, and we should deal with that that man But what happens when a Ideology sets up a situation in which victimized women Become revictimized Intainted with false, you know for that that notion of that false narrative that we can no longer trust that the trust pool On society has been so diminished. We can't even listen to a Potential victim in a sincere way that we have that as suspect and in profound Not just sort of like hey, I'm going to wait for the information, but I'm really dubious of of any accusation at this point Um, I think it's been very detrimental To society. I think it's been very beneficial for feminism Their real goals not what they not what they market But what they mean and their their stention on this has been always very clear Elliot did a really nice job talking about feminism being associated with Marxism. They use the same language same imagery There's a reason for this. This is about power and control This is about disruption. This is an alternative means to revolution by any means necessary And then that woman now is that means And that's what it requires and they have no problem sacrificing these created revolutionaries Not just revolutionaries They they will allow women who have been raped to be the sacrificial elements to advance the agenda which actually Marginalizes what really happened to her correct. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely Which which is absolutely wrong Now for her particularly you sit down and say it's clear. She hasn't dealt the trauma Appropriately that because it's still years and years and decades later. It's still Dramatically haunting her in a very very real way. We had another individual I spoke to and I was not prepared for it either A male who was sexually violated at a younger age handling it completely different I think they're Access to resources and counseling and ideas of thought on how to transcend those moments to Handle and move forward are remarkably different. Yeah, and I would and he it happens to be a male which is interesting but He would hope that every victim of these things would have similar type resources available and it's clear. It's not Yeah, and so I would I think in the future we may have I've suggested that if the individual is willing to be really interesting to have him come and speak about him being sexually assaulted As a male being victim of rape. Yeah, you know, and that's something that I think will be very emotional I think a lot of people will not be prepared for in his common as he has you've already had people here that have done that And so just in this convention alone, we know we've had at least two former rape victims. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, wow Yeah, and and again, this is if we're going to be concerned about human plight and human condition We're going to have to face these things. It's not just kind of these nice kind of Soft things that we talk about. Yeah hypochrome and hypochrome and the relating addition and and a lot of that's kind of light in comparison I think we're getting to the point where we're really going to get down to Beyond, you know exercise and fitness and nutrition down to Really caring for the human Element what how do we do this? And I think in many ways we have to heal from our trauma And if we don't what doesn't get transformed will get transferred And I'm hoping an organization like this or the man is free in general We'll start picking up a lot of this and I think that's a more human element. Not just a man female Dynamic or male female dynamic Wow Whoo. Yes What doesn't get transformed Gets transferred a conversation with Socrates You gave me something to think about. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you