 Hello everyone welcome to another video. I thought I'd make a video to discuss a recent new excuse I've been getting or some type of uh it's not not really a justification but they're throwing this out in a debate a vegan debate and I've got it quite a bit and it's that what are the farmers going to do? What are the farmers going to grow instead Joey? It's your responsibility Joey as a vegan activist to tell us what to grow or what we should transition into. Now there's a few problems with this and I'll start with the most obvious and that is that when we look at issues of injustice we always look at it from the victims perspective not the oppressor sorry farmers you guys and the non-vegans who are paying for them to go to slaughterhouses and are using them as property are the oppressors so we have to look at this from the animals point of view that is the most obvious to me but also some people think I don't know it's kind of like a diversion tactic or a distraction that if somehow we change farmers into plant farmers or I come up with this great plan to to transition their farm into a plant farm that somehow that's going to change the world into a vegan world no that has nothing to do with it it's completely irrelevant I'll tell you why if I convinced 100 farmers to farm plants to farm soybeans for soy milk to farm almond milk to farm some type of crop is that going to stop the demand no it's not it's not going to stop the demand the demand will still be there so it's not going to change anything if a farmer starts growing plants what we need to do is change the mind of the consumer and the consumer dictates what the farmers grow now why would the farmer even change his business if it's still profitable he's not going to and even if he did it wouldn't change anything that now we should be focusing on the fact that the farmers are non-vegan and are contributing to the suffering of the animals through their food and lifestyle choices that is more important because to distract me by saying hey joey you know you're a vegan activist you're an animal rights activist tell us what to what to farm now I start rattling off things oh potatoes oh we can't grow that on our land uh soybeans we can't grow that on our land well okay so it's kind of a diversionary tactic to steer away from the core point we shouldn't be using animals as property we shouldn't be enslaving them we shouldn't be treating them as a product this is the core point this was the southern argument for slavery I've got this source here I'll link it below defenders of slavery argued that the sudden end to the slave economy would have a profound and killing economic impact in the south where reliance on slave labor was the foundation of their economy wow the reliance of slave labor was a foundation of their economy would that justify having slaves just because it's a foundation to their economy the cotton economy would collapse the tobacco crop would dry in the fields the rice would cease being profitable defenders of slavery argued that if all slaves were freed there would be widespread unemployment and chaos the argument for slavery was that there would be you know this this widespread um unemployment and chaos and the slaves couldn't pick the cotton anymore now is that looking at it from the victim's perspective from the human beings who were being oppressed perspective no that is like spitting in those human beings faces and saying hey money trumps your uh moral value money trumps your life the economic factor is not an argument at all and it's actually a distraction what my point is and what my position is is it's not up to me to tell a farmer how to transform their crops how to transform their farm their animal farm their slave farm essentially into something more ethical that is not up to me but my team of researchers at vegan education center have come up with a bunch of profitable plants and you don't even have to farm plants on your uh your land to use your land farmers alternatives now greenhouses uh to grow herbs for restaurants greenhouses are amazing grow tomatoes and everything in there vertical farms vertical farms grow up i've heard this before too air b&b huts on your land like you could uh build some uh little huts for air b&b's air b&b's massive now you can rent out those places for a lot what else the farmers do to generate income they do uh consulting freelancing contracting they teach at local schools continue education centers they teach workshops on farming i guess uh classes so basically there's many things that they can do to to use their land that now farmers are supposed to be businessmen that's up to them the point the the main point is okay before i start getting into these lucrative plants farmers can grow the farmers will be forced to change once demand changes and that is our job as vegan activists don't let farmers get you into this you know steer you into this area where oh you have to transform my farm there otherwise i'm not going to grow plants no that would be forced to change when when consumers demand they change they're just supplying what the public want so it's completely irrelevant whether they're onside with us or offside with us obviously we want everyone to be onside so that they you know embrace this new lifestyle and you know when they when they do change they're more enthusiastic about it but completely irrelevant whether they want to or whether they don't want to uh demand when demand change they'll be forced to change lucrative plants farmers can grow on their land ginseng a hundred thousand dollars on a half acre plot so over the six year period growers can make as much as a hundred grand on a half acre plot from seeds rootlets and mature roots with ginseng gourmet mushrooms look at this 10 times 10 square foot patch of mushrooms can bring 17 and a half grand per season wow gourmet mushrooms uh bamboo bamboo uh many bamboo nurseries so a bamboo nursery can can reach uh prices from up to 200 per plant so if they're growing bamboo they can sell it to nurseries and they use it when they're decorating and stuff like that herbs herbs are big uh you can grow them in a greenhouse for restaurants medicinal marijuana or hemp now this is a big one this is going to be a big lucrative industry there's hemp can be transformed into many things clothing uh plastics it cleans the soil uh medicinal marijuana there's a market for obviously it's a little bit controversial a little bit taboo there the point is this is what i do not want you to steer away from this point because this is a distraction to the core issue it is not up to us to transform their farm we're just here to speak for animals and to say hey that is immoral just like what was happening to human slaves and is still happening to human slaves today is immoral it doesn't matter if it's a lucrative business if it's part of the economy if you know all these people are making money off of it irrelevant to the morality of it so that's a that's a video i just wanted to make about this i've been getting a lot of uh comments questions and it's been coming up in debate it is not our job our job is to speak for animals change the demand change the minds of the consumer okay and if you want to help farmers that's amazing that's great good work you're helping farmers but why would they change why would they change their their farm if there's still a demand for dairy eggs and meat if they're still making cash off that if that farmer stops producing dairy eggs meat chicken guess what the farmer next door who's still doing it is going to make more money because the demand still exists we have to target demand we have to target consumers putting me up against the farmer on on the radio yeah that might be pretty cool to watch and stuff like that completely irrelevant to um this movement they will be forced to change when demand changes i had to reiterate that a few times i hope you enjoyed the video and i just thought i would highlight how absurd this is that we're worried more about economy even though i do sympathize with farmers i really do that we're worried more about economy than the value of these animals lives and that it's complete distraction also the vegan society do offer workshops for farmers if there's farmers that want to go vegan and they want to transform their farm that's a different story uh so yeah they they've made an ethical decision they don't want to uh harm enslave use animals as property anymore they've had a vegan revolution in their lives the vegan society can look after all their needs they're working on doing research and transforming farms for people that are interested but like i said supply and demand situation hit the consumer keep spreading that message and don't get distracted by these red herrings which are beside the main point thank you very much peace