 Yeah, he's he's a really cool guy and here we go guys here. We are back at it again. Yes Today we are going to 1989 going back in time. Are you ready to rock? Are you ready to hit the floor? Hey back by popular demand. I mean we can't do this these lists without Todd LaTorre himself Always the pleasure might have time make sure Todd's there. We're doing so you're stuck with this until 2021 I'll take it. I'll have to take my dentures out Yeah happens. All right. Here we go guys 1989 what a year What a year computers were like this thick laptops are like this You know some of the bands, you know like loudness white snake We're kind of on their last legs and grunge was starting, right? I mean, Norvana had the sound garden. We're starting Well, it's interesting time 89 Little bit of transition happening a little bit of a transition still yeah, every every band was Hoping that they socked away all that good money Still spending three hundred thousand dollars on a video That's right honorable mentions. Well, let's start off with that honorable benches. There we go. All right Todd's the guest you always go Todd you go first. You're the guest. Okay. My honorable mentions were Baron cross Who was a Christian metal band that I really loved if if your audience is not familiar with Baron cross if they like I Would say the singer Mike Lee was a cross between Kind of a little bit of Dio meets Bruce Dickinson kind of killer killer vocalist I love that band and state of control was the the honorable mention album for them for that and then I had I Had Savatage Savatage gutter ballet, which is an amazing record And then I also had soldier of fortune, which you guys had a nice conversation with Max Norman about recently That's one of my all-time favorite records still to this day. I love Mike Viserra's voice The guy still sings crazy good I just thought that was a grip in album There's not a bad song on the whole record one of my favorite records so Say about this is what to me the charm of loudness I just want to throw this out there. It was always that Japanese flavor And then once you sort of Americanize it a little too much It kind of lost a little thing for me not to say the songs are bad or anything, but I always liked that Japanese flavor, you know what I mean like that that sort of I I get your tone, right? But I think they had enough albums under their belt people were loudness fans I thought Mike Viserra brought an awesome flavor and sound to the band They still had a Kira Takasaki sounding signature like he does on that record and Yeah, I mean we kind of let the cat out of the bag because if people were expecting to hear that on the list And now they know it's an honorable mention Sorry, but those were those were strong. I was pushing Pushing on version 3 on version 3 Those two records to be on the list We usually do the honor mentions right before number one not to give anything away Jim, but okay, we're gonna start All right, let's drop. Let's give a few afterwards. Okay. All right. Okay, so we've got Baron Kross And we have loudness and sabotage gutter balance Well, we'll throw out a few more later on. All right, let's start off with number nine. I'm number ten It's a top ten list not top nine list. All right these this is probably two of my picks I'm not sure if you guys, you know, I was definitely you thought you're too big. Yeah, there we go All right, so to me was an I later Allison Hale, which is probably like the third wave of thrash Around there, right? That was their debut album probably their best-selling and their most known for album was Allison Hale then I picked Voiva nothing faced because I did that live stream with Voiva Nothing Face, which was they played the whole album live. Well pre-recorded live and I just thought wow man This is such a stellar album and it's probably their best album that they're known for with the exception of maybe dimension hot atras Alan, I know you're a big Voiva fan. I Was surprised by the vocals because I saw them live and I remember some of the other albums and the vocals don't sound like anything like I've witnessed or heard before so I was quite surprised Jim I'm glad you put it on the list. It gave me a chance. I mean I ran into Piggy I think it was around 89 I was in university and Piggy was happened to be a flatmate of a student I was at school with that happened to meet Piggy at that time. So Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe cuz I cuz I'm kind of friends with the band and you know I've interviewed him so many times. I don't know near and dear and I remember when that album came out You know the Pink Floyd cover astronomy domain That was just it just on another level like you take a song and you cover it But you take it tell this level up here just the musicianship on that track is just like mind-blowing to this day I just I can't get over it Todd any comments You know, I'm not that familiar with the Voiva material to be honest Yeah, so I I I don't have a big opinion one way or the other just because Again, I just don't know it very well. Yeah, I know that annihilator Okay, that that record should be way up on the list and I mean They still play Alice in hell that track today live people love it. I mean, it's I think that started out with like a really pretty classical piece And it's just it's heavy I mean the high note that he hits in that chorus of that track for to in particular is just like it's just it is so Metal that's a metal band. It's a metal record. That's gonna be the theme today. Well, that's a metal band Hey metal band. I'm on the metal starting off And so if we're talking about top 10 album a top 10 metal albums of 89 I'm gonna keep saying this Jeff waters and just see a little a little note for everybody out there that song Alice in hell There's actually four vocalists Rampage sings the verse Jeff waters does the screaming part there I did not know that. Yeah, and then there's a midsection where it's sort of like a little operatic You know the falsetto operatic stuff. That's I think it's a Dubois I can't remember what his name was Dubo who sings that and then there's another I guess somebody else doing back vocals on that song So it's actually four. Okay. I didn't know that on that song. Yeah, I didn't know that either until I asked him one day Yeah, and the reason why I put annihilator and Alice in hell sorry Alice in hell and voivod is couldn't make up my mind So I figured okay everybody out there you choose Annihilator or voivod as number 10. So that's just the first throw out there So they you choose and you tell us Nothing, there's two groups that nobody else sounded like these two guys at that time. That's right They were very this thing was very unique So and for some reason voivod was always more popular in Europe than here in North America Yeah, you're huge in Europe. Somebody appreciates the somebody named Gary Appreciates the Baron Kross mention. Yes, and somebody says where's my spandex for 1989. I'm wearing them. You just don't see them stand up Don't stand up stand up. I see a night. He's gonna Annihilator annihilator annihilator. I would have picked voivod as nothing case even though I'm a huge annihilator Because voivod is sort of like a thrash man's rash Well, let's go to the Bible. You want to check out where they fit? Let's check out what the Bible says All right, let's see here with the 500 of all time annihilator comes in at Annihilator comes in at 125 Hey, who's 124 You're killing me here at 126 is motorhead overkill 124 is bad hailing too You don't like that one Todd. That's just not and let's see boy, but I'm sure they made I'm 300 Voivod and we're looking at nothing face 223 The fans would agree with Todd that annihilator deserve to be higher So, you know what voted on by the fact I pick nothing face, but the fans pick annihilator So we'll have to go with the fans Annihilator. All right. Here we go. Number nine. You're ready for this Todd You're ready for this. Hey number nine. Don't forget somebody's already asked for it. This is another duel This is Alice Cooper's trash Put them up put them up or Molly Cruz doctor feel good both albums probably sold something like five six million copies Huge albums for these bands or Alice Cooper. There's not I'm not impressed You're gonna speak to this cuz this was your babies fit in right at that time. It's a sound coming off the Sunset Strip It's probably his most pop metal album of all times a fit in right there at the time. I actually saw this tour Motorhead open and You know, listen poison is still a highlight of the set to this day You know, they had the backing vocals with Stephen Tyler Joan jet wrote some songs along with Bon Jovi and Richie Samora and You know, I mean, it was right there at the time Joan jet to by the way, Joan jet to just said yeah, okay, sir You're too busy clicking on all your busy, you know, I'm sending out the call in number if somebody The ballad was only my heart talking and that could have been on Aerosmith's punk for all I I'm concerned and you know, there's some songs he won't perform since he became or Because of his religious belief like trash, you know But there's some what I always like about as Cooper's the humor, you know And trash is like if my love was like a lollipop, would you lick it wait till you get to the truly center? I mean that's classic comedy from Alice Cooper himself. And that's why I think trash You know, there's some great songs. It's a very it's probably the album that's got the produced by Desmond child that might say it all and It's probably the the one that's got the most the deepest album that the most tracks that are really really each one is 9 out of 10 Alright, so what about Molly crew there Alan? Dr. Feelgood. Was that yours? No, that was not mine. Who's was it? You probably Know I mean look I was looking at it from the perspective that Okay, here's some albums that are really huge back then. How can we leave out Motley crew now? Todd might say otherwise But are you asking me to come asking a question? It's not rhetorical. I'm asking you on the Motley crew I'm Molly crew and Alice Cooper. Would you put these on the list? No? Why? Because I don't consider them metal Okay, now if we put on our 1989 Hold on look in the beginning Alice Cooper was you know metal has changed Okay, you know the visuals the attitude if you're saying yeah, that's metal then okay in that context Alice Cooper You know, maybe could be under that Umbrella Motley crew when they first came out with you know all the clothing in the pyro and that you know It's pretty metal. You know the the fire Penta Grant, you know, that's that's all totally metal and stuff, but Dr. Feelgood was is not a metal record. It's a rock Slash hard rock album. It was a great record great album I mean when I was you know 1516 whatever why don't want him with that But when you're 1516, did you really say man? Is that really great heavy metal album? No I was like, but but I was in a band and we played we covered Kickstart my heart. We played Dr. Feelgood. We played, you know, but we also did live wire so, you know, we covered some Motley crew songs, you know, but I Would never think that Dr. Feelgood is is a is a metal album. I would say it's a hard It's a rock hard rock record So that's why I wouldn't put it on the list even though it was massively successful and I And I like Motley crew. I I'm just saying in the context that we're talking about I wouldn't have put it on the list for that reason. I think I think there was a metal a big metal crowd that was attracted to Motley crew I think I think that was spillover from the early days when metal was spawning and you had those visuals and that again songs like live wire, you know Too young to fall in love was, you know had that dirty rock to it But it still had a little bit of a metal kind of a vibe to it And so I think because it was that way from the beginning Maybe people still kind of paid attention Just because you know, they liked Motley crew early on but I don't think like true metal heads Would ever consider that album a metal album number 235 out of 500 Is is Dr. Feelgood and Alice Cooper again I agree with Todd the 70s. That was hard rock. Yeah, but the 80s It's like Kiss did a disco album 79, right? So so he really focused on the metal because that's where it was popular He had to relaunch his career and obviously he wasn't gonna sound like his dad or his Zipper rip skin era. So he went with what was popular at the time, right? Totally You know what's funny about Alice Cooper? He always looked metal, but he never really sounded metal, right? Yeah, like kiss and well little kiss was a little harder than Alice Cooper Because when I was a young kid and I saw you know pictures of Alice Cooper I go wow, this guy's really scary Like it must be a lot harder the music than it was but it was never really that hard, you know It was always hard rock same with kiss But they attracted the metal crowds and that's kind of why Martin pop off What's the book called there Alan? Is it called top 500 metal albums the top 500 heavy metal albums of all time Voted eyes as by the fans Yeah, yeah, so so Mali crew Mali crew again. I'm with Todd. I mean for me Mali crew equals Shattered the devil. So this was I was glad I listened to it. I mean, you know John Kaladner always said you needed four four hits on each album. That's what's his goal every time He and I mean they've got it with the, you know Kickstart my heart without you, you know same old situation. Don't go away mad. Just just go away. Dr. Feel good You know, they were sober the solos are amazing I didn't really expect that from Mick Mars and going back and listening to it and the sound with bob rock producing Is probably their best sounding album So I think I think their strongest album since shout at the devil was definitely this one So and somebody on on this this chat the live chat agrees with you as as do I they said Uh, Gabrielle McPollen McPollen what how are we pronounce it says shout at the devil Was as close to metal as Mali crew ever got And I would probably agree with that. I would agree with that too. So what does everybody think? On our number nine should we have Alice Cooper trash or Mali crew? Dr. Feel good both very hair metal Ish glam whatever you want to call it hard rock Albums but which one do you think should be on number nine? You tell us and I think that's the last of the battles or maybe we might have one more Oh, Jim's loves battles. He might have six or seven. No, there's there's one more battle Okay All right, I've been working all day. I'm a little tongue twisted. All right. Here we go. Number eight, Alan This one's yours. This one's your baby. I'll take them to hit take the blame for this one. Here we go Introduced by my good friend Jimbo the magic elephant. It's the year of the super group, right? We had mr. Big mr. Big and we also had this super group Badlands jakey lee ray gillett Eric singer without the cat makeup gray chasen from stealer You know, I when this came out. I wasn't you know, okay, it's an album right whatever But you know, it took me years to get into this and I absolutely love it. I'm glad we're doing 89 So I put this on I mean songs like higher wire dreams in the dark streets cry freedom. You got east side or west side. I prefer the east side And again jakey lee's back, right? This was his band ray gillett probably met Eric singer when they were in black sabbath or when he was trying out for black sabbath during the headless cross Um, and I want to know from Todd as a vocalist. What do you think of ray gillett on this album? killer killer killer what a sad loss that that guy passed away um We used again one of the bands I was in back in those days. We covered dreams in the dark You know, I remember you baby like a sweet. Did you sing or was it was it was another vocalist? Did you do that? Uh, it's another vocalist. Yeah, I was I was the drummer, but nevertheless great band I I really have a lot of respect. I love badlands um I you know, again, it was it was more rock rock thing than then metal what I would consider metal at what especially when I was listening to an 89 You know, it was like you had well, I won't mention There's another honorable mention that kind of fits right in with this other band, but um, you know, I listened to all of that stuff So I would listen to warren and then I would listen to testament so or you know slayer or whatever, you know, uh I I don't consider them a metal band even though there might be elements that Could fall under the category, but overall I I just thought badlands was just a killer rock band Yeah, and amazing singer love that guy You know, he's such a talented singer and jakey lee plays so well on that album too But I always find that It's kind of like a a white they sounded too much like white snake for me It's just kind of like just trying to Well, his I think his vocal movements too were kind of coverdale-ish Yeah, and that's kind of what always turned me off about badlands not to say the guy isn't one of the greatest singers ever Right the guy is like phenomenal But I don't know it always turned me off Because it's kind of like oh, I've heard this before this sounds like white snake How did you feel a little sidebar? How did you feel about kingdom come? With oh, I didn't like them at all. Oh, I love them. No, I don't like okay I like the second album more than how it's more like a blues hard rock and blues guy. I'm less of blues guy Yeah, I'm not even though I love Led Zeppelin Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a couple exceptions for me, but overall if it's like blues rock I'm probably not a fan Yeah, but kingdom come they weren't there was like a few songs that was zeppelin-ish and then after that Yeah, the first record was Man, it was so so good. Anyway, I was just curious because it kind of fell along those lines because they were getting a lot of shit For being like but I like red event flint, but I like red event fleet Every time I see that, I'll it just goes like this. No waiting for the interview. Don't don't get me started. I'll be I'll be it'll be I like red event fleet. What there are were the any different than badlands. I mean the same thing No, you're totally different. You're completely nuts, Jim Young guys Led clones Gary Moore after the war Led clones was actually written about kingdom come him and Ozzy singing about led clones Which besides the voice I never saw the I never saw the correlation between the two You know, I just want to say this that it's a shame that What ray gillen did, you know, there was that whole scandal when he had AIDS and he was sick and It's a shame that the rest of the band had to suffer because of that and how they don't license the music and you can't find these albums anymore And it's just what is it? What did they do jimmy? Well, they just they won't license the album out For sale. I mean, maybe there's some bootlegs out there But because of the scandal that ray gillen and you know, he got some women infected and I don't want to get into all that, you know, um But the album sort of the record company just doesn't want to touch it because there's A lot of families that suffered because of that. I wonder if you can buy like Can you still buy the record like new old stock or I wonder how that works? Well, you know, I have to look it up. I guess it depends on the country, you know, like russia I'm sure they're just cranking them out, you know, uh You know on their own label, whatever that is. We just lost alan Alan It worked. No, I'm kidding Alan, where are you? Alan, where'd you go man? But as we wait for him, you know, yeah, yeah I don't want to touch too much on it because I just know as much as anybody else knows Yeah, I was not even aware of that scam. I mean, I know I you know He got sick and he kind of passed his sickness along to others and allegedly allegedly I'll say allegedly right he passed the sickness and there were people who suffered because of that sickness allegedly and because there was so much sort of sort of I guess negativity that the record record companies kind of Allegedly stop licensing that album. So I'll say allegedly all the time. Yeah, right. Yeah Somebody's saying hey from st. Pete Todd So what's up? Yeah, it's hot as hell here And I agree. I agree with the queen bodisha says or he says, uh, please don't talk about it He isn't here to defend him. I agree. And that's why I use the word allegedly allegedly, right, right, right We're just totally always. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah, and I don't even want to touch upon it. Well, we're talking about the music Yes, yes, we'll talk about the music. So I guess as we wait for alan to jump back on somehow Let me just check my phone here Maybe thinks he's still on Where are you Alan somebody's saying ever hear red sea? No, I'm not familiar. This is to gary I I don't know what red sea is. So maybe explain what that is Oh, here's a greek saying yasu yasu Well, I guess we could read the comments. That's what I'm doing Oh, somebody says they aren't allegations. It was actual fact in a court case. So I don't know Uh, the reissued badlands record at one point but had to drop it because of the scandal Hey, Todd, I saw queen's rake in Idaho a couple weeks ago. Thank you. Great show awesome. Kevin. Thanks for coming out That was very nice of you So Yeah Well in the meantime, I mean, we could I don't know what the hell's happening with alan instead of alan and how it's alan He's gonna want to call in and he's caught into the interwebs If anybody wants to call in, you know in canada the us Yeah, call in numbers there call in, you know, we'll chit chat, you know Use your cell phone because usually there's no charge Um, and I'll put the numbers right here now. All you got to do is punch in the the code Uh So use the phone number you call in we've done this before And I know people are shy. There's a meeting code and a passcode So jump on you want to say hi to Todd? You want to give your two cents? So but a boom there you go. There's the numbers Uh, I'm not responsible for any long distance calls I will say that There's the numbers you want to call in occupy alan space So let's go to the next one Todd. Shall we? Uh, you're driving the ship. So yeah, if you want to make that call Let's see what we got next All right Here we go. You and me could speak to this. Lizzie Borden and skid row Come in at number seven And again, this is another duel This is the last duel. This is the last duel. All right. Tell me about Lizzie Borden master of disguise Dude one day. I want to do a recording with Lizzie Borden that I you know I just love that guy's voice. It's he's got of such a distinct Sound and I don't know man. I'm a huge fan of his voice. I got to meet Uh and he wanted me to comment on Lizzie Borden And skid row and skid row. Yeah, so the the short version love Lizzie Borden I just listened to that full record again the other day to to refresh with everything Um, I like the record. I don't think it's as driving and you know heavy sounding as Other works from Lizzie Borden um The skid row debut album had a couple hits off of it if I recall I think I remember you Okay, so there's one wild. Okay, so there was like three or got a piece of me. Yeah, okay I love those songs. Um I love slave to the grind way better But talking about just that debut record. It was a solid record. I mean it it You know, they they that's when they kicked off and started touring like crazy. I mean hell pantera I believe yeah pantera was the opener for skid row because I saw them play here And venny paul was at the back of the venue and I walked in and saw him there and said hi to him for a minute As a big fan of his drumming and yeah pantera was opening for skid row. I mean it was They turned into a huge deal As far as metal goes, I don't know. I think Lizzie Borden is more of a metal band but that record to me didn't feel as metal as Some of the other Lizzie Borden concept. It's a concept album. That's what it is. So, you know, I I like them both But I've I've heard what I like better on other albums from both bands You know, Alan we we we hooked up with a Lizzie Borden there in Montreal Like I like the album I like the album, but I don't think it'd be in the top 10 of my my list the top 10 for that year Yeah, but it's one of the strongest ones. I agree master of disguise and skid row I mean, I wasn't a fan at the time, but like Todd said, there's four strong songs on there They were a bit different for the time. They were kind of following more in the guns and roses In less more less war into more guns and roses. I would say it's how if I remember back to 89 Kind of the reputation they had when they with the debut album But I was never never a huge fan of skid row. I just uh But you know, yeah, it deserves to be in the top 10 of that year for sure. I think You know for me I remember being in florida Todd when skid row when that album was out with my friends And you know 18 in life and youth gone wild and even though I didn't like the whole album man those hits Were just like over the top. Sure. Sure. They're just like big Did it sell three four five million albums? Probably right? Lizzie Borden more under the radar even though it did well for him They've always been more cult followed anyway. Yeah. Yeah, and man Lizzie Borden when we met him and we spoke to him and you know, we interviewed him and What a great guy, you know You know articulate sensible. Yeah smart interview Great guy and yeah, it's it's a concept album and I agree with you on this point He has better work like as a as a whole right the albums before and after were probably a lot better But it is a good album. So good row. Just for your information Todd skid row The debut album of the bible 172 out of 500 But like you said slave to the grind 113 so the fans would agree with you there as well So let me ask you this. Hey, hold on on that book The not only does it lift? Oh, that's the albums of all time. Yeah I've got the songs of all time as well He did two books and you and you have bands of all metal bands. Yeah, he might have done one Yeah, I think he did a third. I was I'm not sure. You know, he did it Todd. He actually asked people He actually asked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah was a consensus. That's crazy. How long that took that's what he Yeah, and and Todd he writes something about each one. That's nuts. You know Pop off Based on his interviews, but I mean, I don't know how martin comes up with New ways of describing out just this book along. He's got 500 different ways to describe an album Like it's amazing. He's the shake spear of metal. I say I just stand by that Yeah, that's that's a lot of work. It's a lot of work, right? Um So out there everybody out watching there. What do you do you choose? Lizzie Borden? Or do you pick skid row as number seven? I think skid row I think the metal fans are gonna go for borden. That's my I think they're gonna go for Skid row did have a more mass appeal, right? It of course went to the women, right? It went to the guys and the girls and sure the people who are sort of borderline metal fans, right? Right. All right. So there we go as people give us the answer to that skid row skid row lizzie skid row Went heavier and lost their radio friendly audience hits skid row yanny says skid row lucha says love borden, but that's not for me. So I'm kind of seeing skid row here I'm seeing skid row one question. I was Lizzie Borden. Richard says skid row Sebastian back as a vocalist Todd. What do you think? I think he's killer Yeah Yeah, I mean You know the guy the guy still puts a lot of passion into his delivery He doesn't like he tries, you know, it's not like He just phones it in I mean he He goes for it and he's really giving everything he can into his delivery today still. I mean I've we played together. I I know him He's he's that guy. I mean, he's fucking balls to the wall and But yeah, I mean especially on the early stuff, you know, I mean as you age your voice Unless you're like a freak of nature like glenn hughes and uh, rob halberd, you know The guy, you know those notes he was hitting back then. I mean he was young, you know, these are like damn near kids, you know and killer vocalist, I mean Yeah, because that's what I remember at the time everybody was talking about him not necessarily like the amazing guitar player or the drummer They was really focused on him and his vocals and his fresh sound for that time Yeah, I mean he was a standout vocalist for sure Yeah, Lizzie Borden very power metal vocalist. He just you know what? I'm a big fan of linda parry her voice from four omblans. Yeah, and I love that first record um There's things that I hear stylistically In the delivery and a vibrato a little vibrato that both of them share and I don't know if if anyone's ever thought about that comparison, but it's like She's like a good female version Like I bet she could cover a Lizzie Borden track or he could cover a four omblans track really well because She's got a very powerful voice a very unique distinct sound and yeah that guy's Just again one day. I want to do a recording with with Lizzie Borden with there you go You know good and that'd be a great mix He was supposed to do something with John Schaefer, but I think that's been put on hold Things are not going well there thinking back to our interview. He was there was a talk of doing something with John It's true. He was supposed to do Hansi left Lizzie Borden left they all left, but we're not gonna get into that. We're not gonna get into that Anyways, all right next number six you guys ready? Yeah, let me see what it is. Hold on Number six. Oh, yeah, okay Todd there you go. Todd's home run practice What you preach testament you can speak to that Todd It speaks for itself that record is so killer I've seen testament on so many tours. You know that that's my jam and uh I mean, I I'll I'll refresh the comments here, but yeah, everybody knows That that record is just super solid Um It's it's it's a it's a one of the fan favorite. I mean that souls of black the new order You know low there's so many great records, but practice what you preach I mean perfect timing. What a great album for this year for for 1989 and They toured the shit out of it um I just love every song in the record and the guitar playing, you know, there's nothing bad There's nothing weak on that whole record It's a super solid album and it totally belongs On this list way higher than the way higher than motley crew and it is higher than motley I know i'm just saying the revised list any list Annihilator actually toured with testament in 1989 strange enough, right with their debut and there was I think their third album practice what you preach alex peri alas who Did the mastering for kill em all you could hear that same sort of vibe, right? That kill em all sort of vibe on practice. Oh, okay. Really? I didn't know. Yeah, and um I would say they were I prefer testament of today than testament in the early years That's just my preference. I love the last 10 years of testament I think it was a brutalist I mean, I think if you like the last 10 years he would like anything from the new order going forward I don't know. I just I cut I found that there were two metallica ish And now they're their own sound like they have their own sound today They're they're more listen to listen to listen to souls of black listen to that record Listen to practice listen to the practice what you preach album and listen to a new I mean, they have just these staple Signature things that are just testament clearly all through these records if maybe, you know, maybe you haven't Gone deep enough into it. But if you like testament of the last 10 years, I know you're not a big Testament fan. I don't know. Maybe you're not maybe you like him. You just don't know it enough That's like me with the king diamond like I respect a guy a lot. I think the music's killer, but I don't know all the king diamond records You know, I know it's like brother heard of the snake like their last album. I love that album Like to me that is testament I just think they found their own sound they found their own identity where before I found they're too In the metallica realm because metallica was really taken off. I'll play referee on it I'll play real go ahead. I'll go ahead because I I'm either way. I'm not a testament fanatic So there you go. I hear what Jimmy's saying because when I listened to this album I saw a lot of stuff that metallica was also doing I heard on this album. So that's my question to Todd I'm not I'm not familiar with testament. I'm familiar with their later stuff through jimmy But is this one of their best albums? Or is it kind of more an 80 sounding album? No, I think it's considered one of their yeah They have staff others that rival this but You know, uh, the new orders probably, you know My favorite or yeah, that's probably my favorite. It's it's a little thrashier. It's less mid-tempo-y But you know practice what you preach album is I mean, yeah, it's considered by testament fans like one of those Very highly coveted order in this album. Um, but you know as far as like the metallica comparison Um You know the I I think the guitar playing the soloing is light years beyond Metallica I'll agree with that. You know, I mean I think eric peterson and alex skullnick's guitar playing, you know I love the rhythms of metallica I never really, you know, but the the soloing is totally different style than what you'll hear from From testament. Um, but both bands were doing, you know Back then it was a you know in those earlier years You you you were starting to hear like when they would go good good on the guitar you would hear On the toms so dad digi digi digi digi digi digi digidig digio digi digidi you would hear And that was popular with the thrash scene So they're one of you know, they're one of those pioneering bay area thrash bands that yeah, you're going to find those similarities but I mean I think they all nod their their their head and tilt the cap to Metallica for pushing through and and and making this path where they could go okay everybody let's go to the hang on Todd Gabriel saying I'm a big testament fan but practice is maybe my least favorite among along with demonic yeah well on my side there everything is subjective but I you know maybe he can list what is favorite you know generally speaking practice what you preach is a is a very highly regarded record so his soul's a black again I go a little more old-school like for me with Queensrike as we talked about I like the warning better than Operation Mindcrime but generally speaking Queensrike fans like Operation Mindcrime better I'm gonna throw this out there I think that the formation of damnation dark roots of earth brother brother her the snake and titans of creation is who testament it's their identity whereas the earlier albums and I'm not saying they're bad or anything they're just kind of they're sort of the how can I say this they're still trying to find themselves even though they're good albums don't get me wrong they're good I do like practice what you preach but I just find that they haven't found who their true identity and they have in the last 10 15 years that's just my it's my yeah I would disagree but again that's so totally subjective totally subjective totally subjective that's why we're doing these lists yeah all right here we go and you know what I like about these lists like if I had my top 10 and you add your top 10 and I'll add his top 10 they'd be totally different but because of this tug of war sure yeah that's why we always kind of create this sort of consensus list yeah I was completely out of the thrashing by 89 even I would say even 87 so that's why it's great that we have talent on because Todd brings a whole different perspective that's right all right Alan this is one of yours yeah let me I gotta see what it is hold on oh okay yeah guitar god guitar god and we who knew he had a voice who knew he had a voice so mine this is one of the only albums I have in three different formats vinyl cd and cassette blue murder John Sykes carmine apiece Tony Franklin trio and Ray Gillen actually tried out for this band it didn't quite work out uh John Sykes laid down the demo vocals they brought in Tony Martin from Black Sabbath Headless Cross right over here and he didn't work out and they said hey John nobody could do better than you keep your vocals so they were became a trio and I mean the great rhythm section Tony Franklin Carmine and you know but you just listen to the solo on Valley of the Kings I mean that's worth the price of admission right there jelly roll I remembered that video that's a classic he's got the acoustic guitaring at the beginning he's got a great solo in that just a soulful solo and again I've said it many times John Sykes is one of the few guitars that you just hear his guitar you can know right away it's him you know Gary Moore might be another uh George Lynch you know but I mean that's that's John Sykes coming out of White Snake and forming his own band called Blue Murder so uh for me I just I and who knew I would when I bought this album back in 89 I'm just like hey wow I never realized he had that good of a voice I mean you know he does he can really sing so they opened up I saw them open up for Warrant wow I think it was the dirty rotten filth and stinkin rich tour and I have a picture uh with John Sykes and I got his I have his autograph on this so I was scrambling for a piece of paper it's like look up to John Sykes and I met Carmen and uh it was a great show you know but yeah that um I mean killer band and and uh was it Tony Franklin yeah yeah that guy's bass playing is so good I mean he's just sick it's a killer killer uh trio there um you know a great hard rock band not a metal band oh there it is let's let's put that in parenthesis Alan it's not a metal band it's a great hard rock band it's a great hard rock band is it in the book Alan is it in the book is it in the Bible the soul is ripped your head off you can't see those are not shredding that's what you're eating if if Ingve plays over a Britney Spears song it doesn't make the song yes it doesn't sound like Britney Spears I I met John Sykes it was like this hey John are you doing man it's a big guy uh and I didn't I couldn't find my phone I go I want to do selfie I want to do selfie I want to do selfie I just couldn't find my phone I was reading uh about this album and Carmine he said their the biggest mistake was doing Valley of the Kings as their lead-off single because it was too long it wasn't commercial if they would have done jelly roll and and then according to John he should have signed with a different record company because they purpose according to him they purposely kind of did not promote this to try to get him back with Coverdale that's what I'm John Coladner I mean he he thought Sykes Coverdale could have been the next page plant and so I I can see where John might have a point that they didn't quite push John Sykes he's got a great voice he plays a mean guitar it's just I'm not into the music it's just me personally I just it's just not it's just not my thing you know I I don't know and I do and I was like wow it's amazing and I'll listen to the whole album and I'll appreciate it but I'll never really reach for it but that's maybe just a personal choice hey Todd just to get back to testament 147 ranked out of 500 on that record yeah wow yeah it's up there it's up there what about blue murder Alan where was it no they didn't make the list oh so I'm a rebel I'm a rebel it made our top 10 list they forget about 500 it made a top 10 it made the top top 10 top 500 hard rock albums maybe you remember the gong show yes we need like you know the guy with the unknown comic the unknown comic hit the hit the gong with the bag on his head I used to watch it after I don't care John Sykes can sing happy birthday at an album I'm gonna buy it he's got a great voice he does have a great play I got his solo albums too I mean this guy what a guitar player you know what yeah he was supposed to release a solo album and then he the guys like disappeared off the so they released hold on they released I think it was on one of the big sites and they there was a track that he put out recently with yes singing it didn't sound anything like the blue murder thing but you know he's still I don't know if they released the record or if that was just a single and a record was to follow and that hasn't come out I haven't kept up with that so maybe you guys know or someone he was supposed to release an album on a golden robot there's a golden robot records that's the album he was and then suddenly just something happened and the deal just didn't happen and there was no release you're supposed to do something with Mike Portnoy years ago he's been there done it right he's got the t-shirt yeah yeah all right here we go here's another one of Alan's sticking in the blue murder vein you ready for this Alan it made it made the top 500 metal did it metal heavy metal very many had a sleepless night because of this just just a preface to all the metal fans out there I have fuck all to do with next I love this album I don't care I love it I love this Alan the floor is all yours Todd it's hard to be a wise guy when your feet are in concrete all right that's all I gotta say you lay down with the dogs you wake up with the fleas all right I mean you know I love lyrics this album Aerosmith pump is the greatest lyrics ever on any album they're just hilarious Shakespeare wrote good words too I mean you know loving an elevator going f-i-n-e fine I mean Younglust Younglust that's powerful man and again if you know their earlier albums out of the 70s made this top 500 list and this one comes in at 435 so yes Todd a lot of fans would agree you know barely made the top 500 but I mean you know they were a hard rock band and a lot of people like in this book they put Queen I don't agree with Queen's a heavy metal band not at all but again that album this is the period this and for me this was the peak for minivocation it was a great album this was a peak and then for me get a grip doesn't matter how many videos and how much it's sold this for me was a peak for Aerosmith I mean there's not one bad song on this what it takes even you're getting a lot of text you're getting a lot of text I don't care I love this album I love it Alan since you're such a fan of this I got a do you know do you know what our motto here is we do what we want we do what we want we don't give a f-ck that's good hey Alan I got a fun story for you guys in in your audience so check I'm gonna we're gonna push pause I'm gonna tell a fun story all right go ahead pause so so it's it's gonna take five minutes okay okay so I'm friends with a buddy of my name Simon McGinty we're probably we're in our mid-teens and we used to skateboard a lot and so um so I went over to his let's see did I I don't remember if I crashed it is out no I think I rode my skateboard over to his place he lived in this con these apartments condos near the beach because I skate over to his house and he and I go up to his apartment and his mom's cooking breakfast so he's like hey you know we gotta be kind of quiet you know my my uncle's in town I'm like okay you know problem so she's making like eggs and I think pancakes and bacon all the stuff so we sit down and it's me my buddy Simon his mom and we're and then his uncle wakes up and he comes out with no shirt on and boxer shorts and his hair's like a mess you know just woke up he's kind of doing this he's like hey and he sits down at the table to eat breakfast and my friend says hey this is my friend Todd Todd this is my uncle hey yeah nice to meet you whatever so we're having breakfast and my friend so so his uncle says um so hey you know we're down at the the Don Cesar which is a really nice uh big hotel on the beach it's very old it's kind of a staple iconic looking building down on the St. Pete Beach you know if you want it you guys want to come by maybe say hi to us say hi to the guys and okay so we're all done eating bread oh he goes oh uh he goes uh you know Todd's a musician he goes yeah he says I said yeah he goes we play I said I played drums he's like oh cool this and that and so he says Simon you know if you want to come out let me know I'll make sure that you know we have tickets for you says okay so we're all done eating breakfast and you know we go into my buddy's room and we're like you know what are we gonna where are we gonna go skate today blah blah blah so I go hey um your uncle I go he uh he said that he was playing and like they were playing somewhere like what where's where's he playing oh they're playing at the Lakeland Civic Center I go who's they what what does he do he goes oh he's he's the drummer of Aerosmith I go I go you fucking uncle's the drummer of Aerosmith he's like yeah now mind you as we're eating you know he's kind of twitching his eyes a lot and you know and I was like hey you know you know I took a mental note of it like and then after the fact I remember seeing interviews with him and you know he had this like twitch with his eyes and I go I go where are you gonna go he's like I'm not really into Aerosmith but I mean do you want to go I go fuck yeah he's like he's like I I mean I wasn't a huge Aerosmith fan but I you know come on so I was like dude so we went to the concert and we you know I still have the backstage pass it's a circle and it's got the it's Aerosmith pump tour Joan Jet opened up I got to meet her I met Stephen Tyler and Joey Kramer and like they were like you know I think Stephen talked to me for like 10 minutes just me and him and Simon and I watched side stage they had these big ramps that went up to the drum riser and one of them I think Stephen had a child like one of them had a little kid with these ear things on and kept wanting to run up the ramp and Simon would go grab the kid before the crowd could see this kid wanting to run up the ramp and but nevertheless that's my Aerosmith pump story I got to see that show from side stage I met the band and I'm eating breakfast in my friend's apartment with the drummer in boxer shorts and yeah it was like one of those really surreal moments after the fact you know I was talking to Todd look the uncle Joey Kramer the Isis you are not metal hey this is the best comment this is the best comment right here what's Alan's next choice jethro tall that's cold man that's cold oh shit best comment of the day it's a great 1989 hey look I wasn't there's a lot of people 435 at least that's right that's right all right it's all good we're all having fun that's all it's all right so let's see let me here we go right from this on this one there's not a hour getting into some real music by the Jimmy doesn't put this band on the top 10 list here it is you guys ready but a boom king diamond conspiracy number three I would probably put a number one but you know what I'm being nice to everybody so I put it in number three I'm being nice and we had it king diamond this is the second part of the story of them if you guys remember last time we did the top 10 albums of 1988 we had them remember and now it's conspiracy last album with Mickey D which is a phenomenal drummer this is the album where Chris Tangeritas is that right Tangeritas he produced the album and he tried to soften the vocals because you know the falsettos were really really you know hurting the ears so he tried to soften them up a little bit 10 out of 10 some 10 out of 10 singing wise vocal gymnastics and you know technically speaking from a band perspective musicianship excellent that's all I gotta say you guys anything I know I know Alan's a big king diamond in the hands of a greek that's it that's all it comes down to look Jim I have to say you know look a big surprise guys king diamond made the list if it's not merciful fate it's king diamond but I have to say I really like this album you know it's like you said maybe because the vocals are kind of back into a normal range and the music itself and but yeah I was quite surprised I think it's one of the ones I don't mean to try to get me into them for years and years and I say this is the one that probably take this one take this one try this one try this one number 274 the top 500 and and if you do you know the song black Sabbath air dance off of never say die you know that song do you guys remember that song air dance well out there the people are listening and watching air dance by black Sabbath on never say die it's sort of a little bit of a classical piece that song inspired sleepless nights which is one of the big songs off of conspiracy now listen to them together now and say wow I can't believe it's that close so I got a question yes for the king the massive king diamond fans and pardon my ignorance yes it sounds like most of his records or maybe all of them are conceptual as every one of his yeah okay they are yes okay with the exception of spider's lullaby which is sort of like a half concept and the first one he did which is kind of a loose concept but yes he writes a story for every single album almost every song okay and that's not that's not easy to do to have no you know lyrics and storyline gel with the music in the order that you want the story to be told that's super hard they tell you about the time I hug king diamond now yeah I was I was backstage with Andy Lerach and he goes hey Jimmy I'm gonna introduce you to somebody and he goes oh it's king diamond like I didn't think he was gonna introduce me I thought he just we're gonna hang out backstage I go king and I just hugged him and king is like well what are you doing what are you doing so happy to see you that's fun but awesome his wife was there his baby was there his little child it was really cool he was really nice the sweetest guys in the world and the guys in that band sweetest guys thank you so much Andy Lerach and is I wonder if that's when because it says that Mickey D left then I'm wondering because snowy Shaw another Greek by the way played with uh correct played with um king diamond but yeah later I think oh my god now I'm all god I'll mixed up I got sangarita this out right Christos sangarides that's the proper pronunciation sanga in lizzie y and t so many you can't even name them on anvil okay this one's next this one is for let's go to number what are we at number two yes we're at number two Jim this is where this is where uh snowy Shaw played he played on king diamond the eye yes for a time yeah played on two albums like by myself okay king diamond I was losing my mind there for a second all right number two you're ready Todd this one's yours okay and mine number two one of my all-time favorite albums metal church blessing in disguise great um horrible album cover but great yeah it's the worst that record is so killer and uh I mean I listened to I I still have the cd from when I got it when it came out it's so scratched up I don't even think it'll play anymore but I mean that thing lived in my car for so long um I just yeah I mean Mike Howe his vocals were just so unique sounding and that's one of my favorite uh metal albums of all time still and uh shameless plug I got the great fortune to do a re-record of the song fake healer which they've never done uh had another singer do a recording like that um with like a duet you know with with them before like that so I remember when they con contact we were in talks they asked and there's a video there's a video that yeah we shot a video for it um and I remember when they sent the tracks and I called Mike and I were on the phone and I was like hey tell me what you want me to record you know it's it's you know whatever you want me to sing I'll sing whatever you don't want me to sing like no problem like dude I can't I'm just stoked to be a part of this I go it's your song he goes it's it's our song so sing whatever you want to sing and I was like what so I said how about did you do the whole vocal did you do the whole vocal and they just picked and choose the parts that they wanted so I sang the whole thing and then um and then I said hey what how about if here's what I'm thinking what if you start out and then I'm like this of a surprise cameo vocal and I'll come in on the second verse I'll do the high harmonies on the chorus and we'll do the back and forth on the bridge and I'll do a couple little pieces on the last verse and yeah we had a great time doing it Mike how is one of the sweet it occurred they're all just really really nice good people I'm proud to call them my friends and I love that record and I think a lot of people would agree that's that's a super solid album and actually when they shot the video for Badlands that really you know because it was the introduction of Mike how in the band and they had a really cool video that went with that song and it was just this classic metal head banging thing it was killer Allen what did you think about it I don't know how big of a metal church fan you are I mean well I have to admit when they threw a beer on me when they opened from Metallica it became an instant non-fan but looking back no is this an enjoyable album but again my question to Todd is this considered like one of their strongest as well or yeah I think it's a very highly regarded record for sure they play songs off the right they play Badlands every night they play fake healer they play yeah now if uh if John Sykes threw a beer on you would you not be a blue would you he's still love him he would still love him look he's plating the fifth I would see I say hey you know throw another one I gotta agree with Todd like for me the three greatest metal church albums are like the first three you know the debut uh the dark and uh you know blessing in disguise they just they're so good they're just so good classic metal they're very hypnotic they're very hypnotic number three number 347 and the top 500 that album and let's look at these uh quote let's see what people are texting here I yeah let's do we're gonna do the honorable mention before we get to number one so Voivod nothing face that's a very good choice it was number 10 for me but then it got shot down oh we're doing the honorable mentions no I'm just kind of looking at the notes here you're doing the notes okay Archmathios no there was no Archmathios in 1989 no I don't understand that one that would be smart that would be there was perfect symmetry though great warning why wasn't Danzing considered in the 1988 list just curious who Danzing Danzing oh Danzing yeah I don't consider that metal I agree with Todd I beat Todd to it Savitage Savitage okay yeah Savitage was an honorable mention we're almost at number one okay honorable mentions before we get to number one all right go out go ahead oh my turn okay uh I like I think this Bonham album is is unbelievable Bob Ezwin the production on this album is unbelievable the songs are so so but I mean this is Bonham's uh the disregard of timekeeping I thought that was very well uh very well produced Alan was that with the song wait for you that single they put out oh this was no yes wait for you yes wait for you I saw them open with dangerous toys open for the cult on that tour there you go I like again Jimbo the magic elephant introduced me to this uh band junkyard what about stiff rod just for simple man just for simple man that check out that junkyard the song simple man it's great and mine is the agent Smith and project there you go silver and gold on cassette I thought this when it came out it was really different from made in Zach Starchy who went on to play with the who and Dave Bucket Coalwell who played with bad company for years uh it's just a great album this and and agent Smith I think his voice has got better when we with this new album with uh Richie Cosen Thompson but this is a great there's some really good songs on that I really enjoyed that when that came out in 89 as well so that would be my uh honorable mentions here Todd um what do we got left for you there was uh well somebody mentioned no exit but that was 87 I believe talky fates warning I would say it's perfect symmetry yeah yeah but didn't we mention in the in our texting and whatnot XYZ yes the debut yeah another great rock band there you go yeah we have Tesla somebody said Tesla great yeah controversy but is it metal I love is it metal look that's one of the few bands that's very blues oriented from a foundation uh that I just I do love Tesla I love especially the first two albums um you know not a metal band but honorable mention just for an album released at that time why do I have a big hey can you hear us can you hear us there we go somebody's calling in oh hello what's up hello yeah hello hey what's up uh hey what's up man uh this is metal man that's 66 how you guys doing all right metal madness 66 what's going on give us your opinion so far well I swear I did not I've been watching since the beginning and I did not hear anyone mention King Zach Gretchen Ghost in the brass but that has to be in there even though it's not a metal album sure because you have band lans in there and bad lans I love bad lans bad lans and killer but they're not a metal band very where's a metal band for you very fair point by the way Kings X is a killer band well and Gretchen is probably to me they're you know they have a lot of high points so it's hard to point to anyone specifically but Gretchen was to me their high point um to me metal you know like I kind of agree with Todd that you know many of his choices were more metal than I think some of yours were too Jimmy like nothing faith to me nothing faith belongs way further up that list though probably like top four yeah um but for me metal I guess you know testament is metal you guys were talking testament that's definitely metal metal church definitely metal but a band like bad lans as killer as they were and they were really killer killer band maybe one of the best vocalists of all time ever with Ray they were more like Led Zeppelin to me and Led Zeppelin is not a metal band they're a hard rock band right they're a classic rock band I mean bad lans sounded more like classic rock to me than you know certainly more than like testament which is metal metal to me is autopsy it's uh it's you know bolt thrower it's early hold are you hold are you is it Mike is your first name Mike Jeff oh Jeff I'm sorry metal madness six six right Jeff right how old are you what it right how old are you I'm old as dirt man I'm 55 okay no we're all in the same boat here don't worry all right right because perspective on age right like if you're 20 then metal is on a death metal right that's metal yeah like Cinderella and if you're our age kind of like Cinderella was metal wow yeah I think I think though that I think you're right the age is something like when when Sabbath came out Sabbath is metal when we all talk about metal bands but realistically if you go back to an early Sabbath it's very blues based it's it's heavy because Tony I owe me downtuned to C sharp and but it was not if you really look at it compared to metal nowadays it's not really that well it is but it isn't if you get my point but it but within the context of 1989 murder was metal blue murder was not there in the context of 89 if you put your hat I mean I love blue murder but I think they were like more they were more like a and I know everybody gets their ass up when you say this but they were more like a hair metal band they were sure they're great musicians they had but they had the image I mean Sykes was a sex god and you know Tony Franklin was everybody was beautiful you know what I mean in the videos and that was more driven by the industry at that point in time but uh to me that they're heavy but you know again blue murder sounds more like Led Zeppelin to me that does heavy metal Jeff can it be because back then can it be because back then there were just so fewer bands like there really wasn't a lot of heavy metal bands I don't know it kind of lumped everybody together well that's if you if you take into account like I don't know the entire death genre you've got black metal like like Celtic frost you've got candle mass like you got a whole other world of metal that we're not even touching on yeah but there was less there was a lot less than today that's what I'm getting I don't think they were like it all together I don't think there was less I think that just they just weren't huge it was different they weren't really big it was like more underground Jeff last question for you last question for you Jeff okay you ready yep all right your favorite your top your your number one metal album of 1989 oh Jesus come on yeah it's not easy honestly I'm a I'm an old I was gonna say one thing can I add one thing before I answer that of course the the one thing I think Todd mentioned that's pretty key is that what we deemed as heavy in 1989 really started to change based on thrash coming thrash and bands like venom and merciful fate you know all those bands kind of creeping up in 83 84 85 that changed the definition of what heavy was prior to that we thought priest and uh you know mid-period priest you know staying class stuff like that and early Sabbath and early maiden was super heavy right but it kind of changed when thrash came onto the scene when Metallica when venom those bands took metal quote unquote metal that we knew and drove it to another level of extremity and that way it was tough to look back on those heavy metal albums and go well they're really heavy do you agree with that Todd I could not agree more and that's part of the dilemma that we have when we when we talk about these records is like you know we you know when Alan says we got to put our hat on for that year because it's it's it's it's like this battle the struggle you have with yourself with what you perceive with what you think of as metal now and then you say okay but in this time you know was this this was kind of considered metal or maybe it wasn't classified you know some of those classifications like if you looked at headbangers ball they probably played badlands but then again you know it was like I think what you're saying is very true and and and it did change it does alter how we look back on those bands because there's a bit of a of a bias now because it's it those those things definitely shaped you know now when I listen to metal now it's like okay I'm finding some elements like metal in slower music because now everything is like on 11 and it's like okay everyone's trying to just scream so much and down tune so much you're like that doesn't really make have to be metal you can have metal in standard tuning look at all the old shit we love and listen to that was metal so all right Jeff we're gonna let you go with this Jeff pretty well I agree Jeff all right man number one album of 1989 we'll let you go with this folk thrower's realm of chaos that is a heavy goddamn album I'm gonna listen to it now that you said it buddy thanks thanks Jeff thanks for hanging out guys later later thanks bye we'll talk to you Todd see you all right you too bud later all right we've got our next buddy Vax Paraxex but please first name please yeah I'm sorry oh we have video too oh viny okay what's going on man you talking to me yeah yeah we're talking to you hey you fucking talking to me okay thanks for letting me in for this session I saw it by pure chance but it's very nice nice to see and well I'm here I just want to mention the best album not okay for that particular year 1989 it's definitely boy what's not in place because it is way out any of course sure I can I can show you I can show you the same CD with all the autographs from the band so it is way beyond everything known at that moment it is the best thing ever occurred there you go Jimmy you got you got some got you know two two guys two guys are what country are you in vince Serbia Serbia look at that pison Serbia nice what did you say Greeks and Serbians are like that so he looks less convinced you know he knows what I'm talking about he knows what I'm talking about so I was I was listening two nights ago there was a great show online I think links are still available for nothing base they played finally after for me 30 years of waiting I got a chance to see your whole album every single song play live in how at home probably but it was actually going live like now but it was pre-recorded and aired on the 30th of May two days ago so it was a huge experience for me I watched them live only four times live for real two times in Budapest and two times in Belgrade and being a very fanatic fan of of their work it's I'd say I'd say it's not not some score but you know they're from around here vince they're from around here in Montreal where we live close by these guys yes yes yeah yeah so the show and on the 27th of June it's going to be Dimash Hatres yeah all right vince we're gonna let you go on this like top album of 1989 your their number one album nothing face nothing face that's it you haven't been listening to your second your second nothing face number one and number two of all number two give me another one give me another one it'll be fair but let's say wasps hello children okay that's good that's a great segue yes Vince I appreciate you thank you so much for jumping on thanks for supporting Voivod and me and talk to you soon man thank you okay we're so we get at it now so that was a great segue for and the only unanimous choice of all three of us here it comes that was a great headless children wasp yeah yeah do you like those calls Todd bringing people on is that really cool yeah one time howling you were you were on me with the Chris Holmes when this guy comes on it was like this animation of a naked guy no I think you should just do a show like that's just a half hour of just calls random you you you say what you want to say you pick the topic just totally you know you know what happens with that Todd everything needs a topic you need a topic for people to feel motivated enough to call in all right then you get on a spinning wheel and it stopped at the topic spin that wheel so let's let's get to our number one the headless children unanimous choice I got two words to describe this album and it's Frankie banally yeah rest I'd like to know Todd Todd's opinion because as a drummer what do you think of this album you know I always I mean Frankie was always a just a pocket solid player he would play fills when they're appropriate he had the chops but he never overplayed no matter what he did I don't think he ever overplayed for the sake of just playing something to show off he played he played drums with you know always listening to the to the music and the songs and you know I was talking with my wife earlier because she's a huge wasp fan and you know we were both in agreement that I said to her you know you know the wasp and the material better than I do she does and I said but I would still say that wasp is really consistent when you look at their albums they're really consistent like they're always putting out a metal album and and you know um he pays a lot of attention to his lyrics again a very unique sounding voice when you hear Blackie I mean he always descends on his note yeah I don't know if you listen to his songs he always kind of trails off the note and descends the note but they're a really consistent band so I think that's one of the reasons why we always see we see wasp a lot you see the king diamond thing because musically like there's a consistency that holds up to the audience I think I agree with you and again songs like the mafisto waltz and the heretic and forever free that kind of reminds me of uh standing in the fire with the but you know we're a long way from love child right I mean or I want to be somebody so is the maturity of the band at this point that I think this is a whole new start of a whole new phase for wasp at this point it's not my favorite wasp album but man it was just a powerful album overall like you're like just the voice alone in the lyrics and but you guys the guitar that's I was gonna say Chris Holmes like that's a solid job on this album like his solos his leads his you know his playing just great tone guitar tone is I don't know and two covers right the real me they really reinvent that and uh and for the jethro tall comment earlier you know locomotive breath is on this album so that does make it a metal song does jethro tall become metal with this or it says it says that um lita ford was an additional musician no she just did back vocals yeah I know back vocals yeah um just you try it jimmy I mean just I mean just just back vocals um yeah there's a lot of people on that mean man mean man you know a tribute to Chris Holmes uh you know black you wrote it for Chris uh you know his personality his character is now his documentary right I watched that documentary it was a lot of fun yeah he's funny guy man he's a nice guy so I think everyone is in agreement especially with the chat because it was mentioned I think a couple of times this record um so we didn't we didn't catch crap for that for the number one so that's great and I think what we learned is that voivod needs to be higher up and you know what it's it's definitely um prompting me to kind of just kind of discover more of their music because I'm probably missing out on some great stuff and I I feel kind of like a dick that I don't know it better but I just I can't know everything you can't know everything you can't know everything you know and we've also learned that a lot of people don't like Alan's Choice for Aerosmith today there's a lot of takeaways there's a lot of takeaways headless children number 300 rank 354 so our number one there's a lot of yeah that's guys I'm gonna throw one here honorable mention and I do think this needs to be mentioned it's overkill and Gabriel who brought this up a few times the years of decay yeah it is definitely their album I didn't say they don't have great albums but that is one of their best albums I don't and they're most known albums probably highest charting popular record but when I listened to other albums like even like taking over like old school stuff to like horoscope I mean yeah I mean those are like way better but I'm a huge overkill fan so I'll listen to anything they put out yeah sabotage did we say gutter ballet yeah we said that right yeah I think we pretty much running wild guys I'm not sure which running wild album was out at the time so please please tell us I think we've run out of I enjoyed the calls that was that was cool yeah if anybody wants to call in the last caller jump on now or for forever hold your piece did we yep we did Tesla we did loudness soldiers of fortune but I do think the guitars are a little low on that album I don't think so at all those guitars are a little low and you know what you got David Reese over there eat the heat Alan you're just you're just stirring the fucking pot yes Alan said that to max Alex says that the max Norman guitars are a little low max no I was talking about the sound sounds that's like asking John Holmes if it's cold look at David Reese eat the heat we're playing with except in about five weeks nice and if you want to talk about it an honorable mention I mean at the time this was a joke I just went right to the liquidation bin when it came out but man listen to it now like Sabbath yeah headless cost this is a great album you know headless cross when death calls man there's some really and I love Tony Martin era of Sabbath as well so again at the time 89 you probably couldn't even find this album and and now all these years later that's one that deserves an honorable mention so how many albums hey you have a shitload of vinyl how many do you know how many vinyls you have approximately no I don't know in the hundreds yeah in the hundreds yeah easily but there's some guys with thousands right there yeah I don't have thousands I got probably 300 400 300 I was thinking wow yeah well we spent our time we spent all our time at the record store two or three times a week you know every Friday night every Friday night we hit every record store downtown so there's five or six of them you know it's so strange how I couldn't afford a record so I had to like couldn't afford drugs no no drugs no booze it was all records I couldn't afford records and so it'd be like we sort of trade and I think I still have albums for my friends that traded with me that they probably have my albums I was looking for my Halloween album I'm pretty sure a friend of mine has it from like way back and I have one of his and you know we used to trade it tape them you know we used to tape the albums and you know that was the trading of the day it's a cool awesome that's a cool flotsam and Jetsam yeah you like that and the rush shirt Alan's wearing yeah I like that hot off the press Michael Gillard gave me this here looks brand new yeah I don't wear it too often just for the shows just for the shows yeah I got my men without hat shirt I shirt you I should have wore that oh men without hats yeah you want to see it we can dance if we want to yeah you want to see it you want to see it yeah yeah hold on are you serious talks amongst yourselves I'm trying to see if somebody mentioned hold on I wonder there's a lot of you know there's a lot of again it goes back to 89s like you got guys that say warrants should have been there right faith no more we're wearing today you know okay here we go but there we go you ready leave your friends behind and if they don't dance with them select your old friends you think I'm an old friend of mine look at this look at this that means no head no it means no man without man without hats what that way what is the what is the back say guess that like it don't wear a condom yes yeah yeah yeah I think if you want to we can dance if you want to you like that it's not all about metal it's about hats it's about hats you just say it's about hats yeah it's about hats well there we go guys a top 10 of 1989 I've already started my list for 1990 and I'm gonna get crucified again I'm telling you right now 1990 we've made it Alan we made it at least Jeff was like in his mid 50s so he wasn't focused on like you know metal from 2000 on I mean he had his opinion did you guys start a did you guys start at 1980 before I got in 79 79 because that's when the dam where were you in 79 when the dam began to break the break that's it okay were you checking out your local record store yeah we started 79 so we've done actually a decade like 10 years well not a decade but 10 years yeah that's well well said Jeff yeah yeah sorry 1990 is next thank you so much for having to get rocky things are gonna get rocky from here on end oh it's gonna be the dichotomy the dichotomy wait till 1995 when the shit storm starts and I think you let people know that um they could call in at the top of the show right yeah yeah a lot of people are shy though keep in mind a lot of people are very intimidated yeah somebody said if you got a stone got a stone thank you all right guys all right dude what talk again and uh and just so everybody knows this list takes a lot of time to develop massage version seven jimmy we're on version seven by the way I kind of write a list everybody writes a list and we kind of go back and forth hold on I said before don't go by the bible if it's in the bible I'm putting it on you know what uh I'm just googling 1990 albums wow dude cowboys from hell is in there rustin peace queens rake empire anthrax versus it's a time allison chains there's a lot of uh there's a lot of good stuff here souls of black testament obituary I gotta find something allen's gonna put in here extreme warren cherry pie no what was meant without hats doing back then they were finished frank what they were done they were done oh wait a second we've got a caller one last caller okay one last caller you guys good are you good for one last one I got wine waiting for me all right here we go one last caller here we go yo hello hello hey welcome to the metal voice you are the third caller through what would you like on your pizza what's going on what's your name uh this is jackie calling from Minnesota jackie from Minnesota my son's in Minnesota Minnesota so what's going on well i'm just calling album of 89 go ahead sorry oh gosh my top album mm-hmm whoo that was so long ago yeah yes it was yes it was um yeah did you want to say something to Todd is that it no actually i want to say something to all you guys i think this is awesome that you do this i love watching this i love the list that you guys come up with um so yeah all right so your if you have to pick one of your favorite albums of 1989 any genre any genre any genre it could be metal without hats i don't know if they had an album 89 but it could be whatever what was your favorite album hard rock metal what what is it oh it was probably metal church oh oh nice jackie jackie yeah surprising look look at this i have this reissue of metal church the first three albums and there it is blessing in disguise you said jackie the worst album cover yep in metal history i need to hear that yeah it's really good so okay your second favorite oh you guys are putting me on the spot your second favorite yeah your eighth i know i called in my fault right no no that's okay we're just shocked at a woman called we're so happy we're really big with 50 year olds in transylvania this is so great that we got jackie from minnesota where do you live in minnesota like what part of town or what part of the state um i'm in a in a suburb of minneapolis so force lake minnesota okay chism my son lives in chism okay yep that's north what about this one what about this one jackie white snake slip of the tongue would that make your oh you know i was no i was never a big white snake fan oh there you go um kittens got claws i think i was you know you sound more of a threat to me yeah well you know i was more into maiden queens rike does she like i like this allen is a chick magnet but uh yeah yeah no but definitely i mean queens rike was is and still was and still is my favorite band had um i actually had him i actually had one of the calls from you when you put out your solo album which was awesome i was thrilled that you were willing to do that with your fans um i love that you guys do this um it's fun to watch you guys interact and you know just bring up the old music that some of us don't even you know some of those bands and stuff that you guys name up i you know they're kind of on the back burner now and i don't even think about them anymore until you guys bring them up and it's like oh yeah that was a great album your last name is your last name harvey no it's long a long long yeah okay long right that's right well thanks for uh hanging out with us for the show and calling in and you know you get to speak to Todd yeah any parting yeah if you have any parting thoughts we're all ears hey since we got jack you know i think it's uh what why didn't you tell her what's happening queens rike what's happening queens rikes world we got jackie on the line a huge queens rike fan let her know what's happening in queen are you stopping yes are you making a tour stop somewhere in minnesota um i think december i have to look and see okay you know what i i actually yeah december i i had tickets to see you in february which was postponed to my birthday weekend so you'll be here up north at a casino in december okay well here we go yeah that'll be great yeah right now we're um we're writing we're writing more songs for the next record and the next writing session um the guys will be down here uh in about two and a half weeks and then we'll do some rehearsals and then we'll start playing uh m3 on july 3rd and then we're pretty much out every weekend for almost the rest of the year and so yeah it's uh trying to get my voice back in shape because i haven't other than my record i haven't really been singing like like what's you know a show in in about a year and a half so it's uh everyone's like trying to go like oh how do you know i hope i can do this again so but it you know it's uh really looking forward to to getting back and playing and and you know making giving people a good show and seeing people have a good time again it's been a long time and uh you know certainly on behalf of everyone in the band we would say thank you for for still supporting queen's rike and coming out to the shows we we thank you kindly closing comments yeah thanks um yeah i just want to say todd if vince neil can still do it sound in the way he does you are golden oh yeah i i do i do my best and you know i'm i'm human some some nights i'm i'm on other nights not so much but i always try my best and uh you know it's not about me it's always about the collective and and the songs so as long as you guys are having a good time singing songs then then we feel we've done a good job so thank you so yeah thanks a lot for calling in and uh have an awesome thank you jackie thank you jackie great hearing from you calling again yeah thanks guys thanks appreciate it there we go there we go and you know what today's show yep all right guys thank you for 1990 yep have an awesome uh awesome night and rest of your week and we'll we'll chat soon and now we're in 38 minutes guys crazy now there's a marathon hey your your max norman interviews were oh what a what a what a what a trooper he was to do part one and two and then you're like oh we'll cover that in part three the mini series yes the mini the max norman mini series all right guys thank you thott stay well i hope you're doing better with your arm thanks buddy yeah have a have a good night always when you come to much role i'll show you my record collection i would love to see it all right take care