 and there's two islands. Both of them are full of savages. On one island, you're even your friend or shipwrecked. On one island, your friend goes and he crashes and they kill him and they eat him. And you go to another island and they wanna kill you and eat you, but they don't because it's against their religion. Did God save your life? Who doesn't even know the name of their God? But their God said, don't kill shipwrecked survivors. And now you're alive. So their God saved your life. The concept of God in and of itself saved your life. You owe God just for the concept of it, the idea of it. Again, I absolutely understand what he means here and I see the value in speaking about concepts, especially in this day and age where you have many atheists and he being an ex-Atheist himself, he understands how to talk to the people. However, what he is describing here is utilitarianism. He's speaking about what would benefit a society. And therefore, no matter if God is real or not, as long as we believe in a God, we all benefit through that.