 seven o'clock we'll go ahead and start meeting for December 21st 2020 7 p.m. first thing I ask is for a motion to approve the agenda I make a motion to approve the agenda as presented their second second motion has been moved in second any further discussion yep did you want to add something vote left oh that's correct um we'll go ahead and add that under manager's items as option D all right um can I get um do we need how do we do that do we need to do anything with the motion or all right okay um all those in favor of the agenda with the addition please say aye aye aye very consent agenda items minutes from december fourth meeting can I get a motion I move to approve the consent agenda as listed second all those in favor please say aye hi hi right um general public is there anyone that would like to speak during the public portion of the meeting now you're upside down now sorry no that didn't work another was one member of the public that was going to uh that said they were going to attend tonight to discuss um asking us to put the vote on marijuana in the town meeting but we can add that to the agenda next meeting but I suggested they just show up for public meeting to discuss it but skip it any other public comment all right we'll move on to the report on the edward for our historic district so mark why don't I go ahead and introduce this and then I'm going to pass it off to scott newman who's here scott's with 106 associates who's our consultant I've been working on this project since 2019 and we have some members of the uh both the steering committee barb and I are on the steering committee and uh Cheryl Casey is I believe the incoming president of the water break historical society so um I want to thank all of you for joining us so this is a project that uh as I recall started out with the uh village of waterbury and uh skip flanders has been a um kind of a mover and shaker behind the project and uh for just to give a little bit of background and then scott's going to fill in the detail and I think he has a a presentation to uh go through with you um and the edward for our utility district um is um well that's named after edward for ours I think you know who developed the area in the vicinity of butler street wallace street uh intervail and so on a vicinity of the pool municipal pool and uh that was done in the early part of the 1900s so uh the history of that area uh way predates uh edward for our and scott's going to talk a little bit of about that going I believe all the way back to Ezra Butler and his residents so uh with that I think I'll pass it over to scott and um do you have a presentation that you want to share scott you should be a visual steve um do you want to can we get this screen up for you sure you should be able to go to uh share your screen and hit that and you should be able to share whatever you have on your screen with the group just give me one second and see what I can do here so just so the select board knows we're gonna we're gonna be trying some screen sharing this media I've talked to bill about trying it with the budget as well so just we'll need a little patience as we go through that so are you having any luck scott so what are you seeing now we don't see your screen yet so did you hit the screen share button at the bottom of your screen and one second is is carla managing the meeting because you may need to allow scott to um share his screen I went up to the advanced settings and I clicked who can share all all participants okay we need to do something else should do it see what I can do on this uh this end well if you can't scott we can um you know we can yet discuss it no we're not seeing any of your images well just move right into some verbal presentation and some discussion let me just see try one more time okay there you go yay you should have something now right yeah I got it now yeah all right okay good glad to hear it so do you see a map right now you do yes never mind man okay I mean you know last time I did a presentation about the waterbury village and I went through a lot of the mechanics so I think you it looks like we got the same group here so I'm not gonna go through the uh the necessary the mechanics of an nr unless you have specific questions but I can go through some of the results of the farad I think Steve did a nice intro for ours addition being um north of the tracks I mean I'm calling this part of main street north south I mean I think I got a tiny bit of pushback from Steve on that but are we still north south Steve or are we going east west here north is fine this is north main street so north village may work very good so just you know a few of the visual we don't have skip today do we no think he's joined us yet oh okay all right I mean skip was immensely helpful in going through some of this stuff and providing some background so he's been a great resource as well as Jen I believe and I did a nice walk with them through the district but what you're seeing here is is um an 1858 view and the box shows for our addition but let's keep in mind that it's it's not just the area on that side of main street that we're looking at for the for this national register it's basically the entire village um on north main street on both sides of north main street so these views this one here and Steve mentioned that as rebuttler the houses is there in 1858 in fact it was there in 1800 and you're seeing the old sawmill the stole house which was taken with the with the highway but that's the approximate location of for ours addition um you're again not are looking at that same view from 1873 and you're probably all familiar with the reform school that was there for a brief period of 10 years probably one of the most magnificent buildings in the state of Vermont and it lasted a grand total of 10 years after it burned to the ground and I've got a couple of images for it and that building was built in waterbury after an extensive search by the state throughout the um throughout the state of Vermont and they liked it because it was close to the depot it was in a central um part of the state and there was available land that was inexpensive right there so they took some farmland to build that reform school and you could see that it was um quite a magnificent structure built of brick from the waterbury brickyard built in a really almost a high italian style building it was there from 1864 to 1874 basically right in the middle of for ours addition of north main street it held about 100 they called them inmates um it was essentially run as a prison farm similar to the one in the Windsor that was run as a prison farm only Windsor was a lot of barns and smaller buildings whereas this one was kind of more a cathedral like in its main building so about 100 anywhere between 170 and 200 inmates were in there at any given time there were very few photos of that school in the uh in its location you see one on the left here you can see some of the buildings around the same mid to uh in 19th century period on north main street so there's a little 76 north main street is shown there in the reform school and then skip has said despite the thousands and thousands of bricks that were used to build this reform school he could not find a single brick uh no evidence of that school they really completely cleared the land after it burned in 1874 from 1900 um this is when Ed Ferrar comes into play in this part of waterbury he bought part of the Risley farm and he bought part of the reform school property to form his subdivision which you can see here and it's bounded on the the Wells land which you can see on the left which is the um the Butler property that's who bought it subsequently and on the right by the Boyce farm and the Boyce farm is kind of important because Ferrar later buys that and increases the size of Ferrar's addition you see some of the early infrastructure went into Ferrar's addition 1899 they put in water 1903 they started building concrete sidewalks through there anybody has any questions i i'll try to answer it i'm not skip i don't have an encyclopedia knowledge of this area but i know a lot about it but maybe just going back to this it's the way i've thought about this area um since it was formed around 1900 1899 was as a monopoly board because what started then was just an intense period of buying and selling over the course of about 30 years there was lots of speculation people often would buy two lots build on one and then um spec the other or buy 10 lots or by five or build rental properties and going back through the newspapers you can see so many ads for properties for sale in Ferrar and at the time they went from about 150 to 200 dollars for one of those sites probably the ones fronting main road were more expensive and a house you could build a completely built house in Ferrar's addition for about 2000 at that point i gave you a rather nice nice home so here's what i meant by the monopoly board this is a just a very small sample of the types of advertisements that would be in the watery record and in the burlington through press advertising um building walls so it's a less than a four minutes walk from the business part of the village and 200 to 350 dollars and they would be glad to talk business with you if you wanted to buy a lot or wanted to have a builder and it wasn't only um properties owned by homeowners they had you can see on the top right there were tenements in there and by tenements that's kind of not a term that we would use today but that might even be a duplex um that somebody bought on spec to rent out and in this case you could get your the tenement with five acres of land to graze your graze your animals i mentioned the boys farm and you saw that off to the to the side of what Ferrar had originally purchased so those the arrow points to the to the boys farm barns you know there's a farmhouse and several barns there and Ferrar bought that as well in 1903 and expanded the size of of his um of the holdings if you look at most of the subdivisions of Ferrar they stop at Butler they don't show anything on the south side of Butler street but those lots were built after Ferrar bought the boys farm and he moved his family into the farm into the boys farmhouse at that point um Ferrar born in 1844 dies in 1904 when um a ditch that they were digging on Elm street collapsed on him and they buried him apparently up to his neck and he's survived for a little while but then he succumbed to the injuries after the bank came down pretty important person in the in the history of waterbury steve as you noted but president of the water commissioning is fire warden and held in a number of other positions in waterbury who's also employed at g and w atkins son's wholesale store atkins course a well-known name in waterbury in 1885 there was an article about that he fell through a trap or a hatch at their wholesale store and injured himself and that's sort of what caused him to get involved in real estate because he was not as physically uh able well here you're looking at in 1910 i mean this is about 10 years old and you can see how it's developed uh several homes have been built you still see the boys farm in the background the pond on the right no interstate in sight at this point but the town um the this was incorporated already into the village i believe by this time and the village was investing in infrastructure there by widening and leveling the roads and they put in a ditch system um to manage the water in the addition after uh edward for our guide has you know his wife survived him and she sold the boys farm uh farm buildings in 1918 there are ads for that it looked like it's sold um fairly quickly so you're reading it there consisting of a first class set of buildings far barns 12 room house and several acres of fine metal land in the village of waterbury and also included 10 first class building lots and those are presumably the lots on the south side of butler by 1919 you can see it's filling out a little bit now farar is on the right hand side and you can see butler which was at one point called um farar's avenue and then cherry which i guess is wallow so these buildings had several names all of the streets prospect and interval didn't seem to change much but butler wallow seemed to go through several names so we've got there are these maps are available for about every 10 years showing this i'm not going to go through all them and show you the sample of the type of map i used to get the information going back a little bit to 1907 just to show you a different view you can see dr jane's barn butler street but again very few buildings a lot of the lots have been sold and the speculators were just holding on to them and waiting to build until they had until they had a buyer in 1958 this is one of the skips one of skips shot you can see that farar is fairly well filled in by this point and this is the the chaos of the interstate construction you see the ball field and armory still there and when the interstate went in that took really what was left of the voice property they went through that they took the stole house the voice property the far house and the you know fair bit of expropriation at this point when the interesting was constructed um and when it was constructed it really set the boundaries of farar's addition geographically it being bound by main street route 100 um which is the ramp here they effectively put that area in a bowl and you know historically it really wasn't as separate from the village as it is today because the you know the land um you know the traffic and commerce back and forth along main street just went across those tracks and essentially everything along main street with an extension of the of the village but this construction really isolated for our station but this is one of the most important pieces of the national register nomination which is the map here so you can I just talked about the national register district being two pieces so in talking about the state I made a motion to Devin that maybe calling it for ours addition was not really appropriate because it really was a larger um it's a larger district so the working name of this is the north waterbury village historic district and Steve happy to have feedback at the right time about you know what you would like to have these formal names but even as north even as the north waterbury district it'll still have two distinct components which will be north main street and for ours addition so anyone's concerned that for ours addition was in the shuffle it certainly won't because it will be called out as a specific subset of the north waterbury village district the map shows you can see the recreational buildings and bottom border in route 100 in discussing those with the state um it was decided to remove them from the historic districts of their age of course you know there from the day back in the 1830s and essentially all those buildings are gone replaced I believe in the 1970s with the recreational buildings that are there now and even the pool I think was substantially modified since its original construction so that's the boundary excludes that area it also excludes up at the top of the map the new construction at the north end of this part and when I was doing the survey there were sufficient buildings that's how new they were and because there was no real connection of those buildings to the rest of the district we decided to remove them and put the boundary so this boundary is is set and fixed and approved by the by the state if you look at the bottom it does include number 59 the bottom left that road that extends between 57 and 58 I mean that was a I believe called moran lane that extended across the tracks to connect um number 59 with the rest of the village so we bring the border out to capture that um you really can see in this in the in the map that the real sort of tight geographic constraints of the addition here surrounded by highways and the pond and main street the road and how it is separated today by that roundabout really physically separated from the rest of the village um I can come back to this map if there are any questions about it later happy to do that uh um I just wanted to ask you one thing there yeah if I'm correct I remember wasn't the ccc camps here where the swimming pool area was at one point and how did that play into the history of that area well they kept the land open and free from development otherwise that probably would have been covered in in uh streets and houses at this point I that ccc I think began in the 30s you know I don't know precisely how long those buildings were there were they there into the into the 60s um but because there's no physical remnants of those buildings left um you know I I'm certainly telling the story or referencing the cc buildings in the nr but because there's no physical reminder of them today they're really not going to be a big part of the story for this part of the village I didn't know I wasn't sure what what dates in the history those those were there I mean if they were there they certainly would have been an important piece that those buildings have been conserved yeah yeah uh this is barb they were there between 1935 and 1938 and after the dam construction was completed um they were all the evidence of the workers places and associated places were supposed to be taken down and um skip would certainly know more than than I do on this but um apparently many of the people in town were invited to take parts of the ccc camp that was down in this area and build uh additions to their homes or build their own homes from the materials so there was nothing left that's that's good info barb I mean the buildings were substantial I mean you could looks like you could have built 20 additions easily out of the buildings that were there sort of long a series of long rectangular buildings that were used I guess for mess halls for storage and for mustering the troops there the other workers so this map is is the final map um it's numbered and this is this is good to go folks probably that's the Butler house I mean it's we I think the oldest existing frame house still standing in the village I mean somebody might argue with that but that's that's my understanding and it's a little unfortunate that it's covered in vinyl signing right now but you know the the good part is really the the form of that building is almost as it was built um it doesn't have any substantial additions on it or dormers and skylights and all that kind of stuff I mean it really sort of looks like it uh when it was when it was constructed um so that's kind of an outlier thematically in the district because it is so early but it's this building is listed in the state registrar is obviously going to be included fourth main street we were talking about is a sort of a separate component in and of itself you have the the granite shed and the steam mill uh both of which are gone and they were connected to the railroad that ran behind them but some of the the mid 19th century homes that um that line that part of the street are still there including this one some of them have been altered but certainly these still look like they're eligible for the national register I mean certainly my intent is to include every possible building and structure in the register that we can look to the wrapper factory began about just about 1900 it originally made um women's I think informal robes and bath robes and sort of house coats and that kind of thing I think that's what they what they call them back in the day and it went through a number of different owners and you know I've got the list in the and the history of the building um it was electrified in 1902 which was pretty early and all the machinery machinery ran on an electric motor um there were anywhere between 60 and 100 and I apologize I'm just just giving you the text from the day 60 to 100 girls that worked in there I don't know how old they were perhaps they probably were teenage girls and then most of them were were given room and board by homes in ferrar's addition so all the homes would I don't know but most of the homes would open up their their homes and rent rooms to the individuals that worked at the wrapper factory in 1909 every day that building turned out 192 pairs of overalls and 70 dozen house coats and the advertisement or from the from the from the true factory said that we paid great wages $9 a week is what was made um in the early 1900s there but again it went through a number of owners and it cost it went out of business too a number of times again here's another mid 19th century home and we're just looking at this bit of north main street I don't have a lot many images left just you know it's kind of a sapling and then now we're getting into the other side of main street which is more of the ferrar's addition so now you're looking at um the lots that ferrar sold and built homes anywhere between 1899 and sort of 1930 and this one's at 65 I call this one the sort of the flagship building of ferrar's addition it's definitely one of the most elaborate and I think it's connected to skip so skip like that I think it's uh son-in-law Steve I don't know yeah it's connected with skip grew up there skip grew up there I think he did I think yeah I think you're right about uh we I think his daughter has lives in this house now but it stayed in the family and now it's a real beauty and um we got invited into the kitchen skip and I and we talked about those colors but who the the gentleman who was you know I guess one of the owners of the house's professional painter he wouldn't give away his recipe that it was secret for them so we don't have so again now looking into ferrar's addition of wall street you can see the early early 20th century homes pretty much throughout the addition so this is what would have been called the tenement building and I think the current understanding of tenement is sort of you know a bunch of substandard homes and certainly that might have been the case in some of them the districts in New York City but this was just it's just a built as a big duplex on spec one of the first homes built um I think 1902 with a nice brick foundation in the tower one of the first homes built in ferrar's addition 24 bothered street again this is a classic colonial revival early 20th century style um building Steve you know I'm partial to garages so there's a beauty with a four-sided hip roof behind 19 Butler street that is sort of does it for the images so where are we you know we're about 80 percent of the way through this right now I'm sorry he's taken so long um historic preservation consultants in Vermont haven't been this busy ever and I've been doing this for 30 years and I've never seen any a crush of business um like we have now but I'm going full guns to get this get this finished for you so you'll have the two districts done um Scott this is Steve um why don't you just talk briefly about next steps and then we'll um you know I think we want to move this on so what what are the next steps we've got a steering committee that'll be working with you I know on finalizing your report and then uh just outline how we'll go from there you would well I mean very similar to what we did with the village and the village is in it's sort of back and forth with the park service at this point but the next steps for this are to get the clean draft to Devin and to uh Barb or to Barb's whoever is going to be running the historical society and to you all for you to go through just explain explain who Devin Coleman is maybe and the process with the state and Devin Coleman's a state architectural historian and he's the one who reviews all the national register and state register nominations for the state and then you know there's a back and forth process with Devin um Devin you know typically spills a fair bit of red ink on on projects to come his way he's he's very particular and that's good so you get a really nice finished product but he's the gatekeeper for the state and then once it passes his muster the whole package goes to Washington and this is for the national parks service like typically there's not a lot of back and forth with the park service because Devin you know it's it's in pretty good shape by the time he transmits it so the mapping is I'm sorry Steve there's a state historic preservation council too that has to make a sign off right that's right there's you know yeah that's that's going to be fairly perfunctory for this project but there will be a 10-minute presentation on this at some point to the advisory council and they'll they'll approve it and say good to go yeah great so mark I think um well actually any of the members of the historical society have any comments at this point we we want to make sure um you have an opportunity and maybe when we wrap up the whole project we'll we'll have one more public meeting to get input but I want any of you to have a chance to say a few words before we wrap up yeah um well I'm I'm the outgoing president um as of the end of this month Cheryl Casey's coming in um it's the new president in January and um Jan Gendro who's in the on Butler street there she's on the on the steering committee and of course skip is not on historical society but he's he's the man of all history of waterberry so um I I think if we can get a copy of this presentation at least this initial one it'd be great for some of the other board members to see it and I don't really have any other comments do you Cheryl I don't know if she's still on yeah I'm here sorry I you caught me off guard and nowhere near my mouth so um um thank you for this presentation Scott and uh no I don't have any other comments but I I would like to echo Barb's request if we can get a copy of this presentation I know that um for me it was very helpful to be brought up to speed on where the project is at and to have that as a as a reference um it would be great I can send that to you Steve send you a link and get this to you sure sure that would be fine there's also recording of this presentation oh good yeah that helps thank you that was interesting Scott appreciate it sure thanks yeah yeah thank you very much uh any select board members have any questions all right can we still get lots at that price yeah Chrissy you're gonna be selling your lots at that price yeah 350 you could sell them for 400 and still make a profit no more houses for two grand though no all right those days are gone all the state's been looking for affordable housing yeah so Scott if you could just stop your screen share that would be great I think we're all set yeah let's see where am I going to do right up top here yep I got it so um you know I I had meant to to say somewhere in here that you know some dividing farmland as you I'm sure you all know is such a common theme in Vermont for developments I mean it's literally in every town statewide two or three farms would be bought by a developer just like Ed for our laid out the streets and and and build homes um so this is a pretty common way that villages were developed or at least you know the farms just outside the village court it was interesting to hear the diverse uh industry that was in this town at one times you know it's funny to talk about it and see it uh and look where we are today versus what we had back then so well it was certainly all about the railroad and it came in through here in 1850 you know that was really yeah yeah for tour well thank you yeah thank you very much Scott thanks Scott thanks Scott appreciate it Scott thank you bye Merry Christmas you too you too all right Steve anything else or we can move on no I think that's fine we'll we'll keep you posted on our progress and I'll work with the steering committee and other members of the historical society I see Jack Carter has joined us as well and we'll keep you posted on the project and any further input that we're needing to get so thank you thank you very much um next on the agenda select board items discuss opportunities for sensitivity training assuming bill might have some options for us um I think I sent that to you the other day didn't I yep yes you did and as I said in my email um I um we talked about this a couple of weeks ago and since we talked about it we really haven't done too much about it uh Katie called me probably three weeks ago about it Mark and I had a brief conversation so um I haven't done anything except find those three options that I had sent to you um I'm not sure how the board feels about uh doing it and when I know we're kind of entering the budget season right now for for me you know we can't really fit it into uh select board meeting uh through the month of January if we're going to do it on standards Monday night if you want to do it in in January I think you're gonna have to do it in a separate meeting um and it's really not up to me to leave this uh it's something the board had expressed some desire to have this training so I don't know if anybody took advantage to look at those links at all to see what you thought of them as I indicated you know we have a little bit of a history with the Human Rights Commission um that that's not necessarily a bad thing but it is what it is so with that I'll stop talking for the moment and see if you have any comment I think the the timing is is just interesting because we're gonna have another vote in April that potentially could change up the board but I I would like maybe that we aim for sooner than later um for some sort of training that we could do maybe after January February when we're out out of budget discussion vote in March second Mark let's do anything Mark yeah I think it's really important that we do have the training but I definitely think it has to be outside of a meeting because to have any kind of a productive discussion and training on civil rights issues you know this is like almost like a you know I I've been I've been through this type of training and I think you know the training I had was either a half day or a full day you know to give an hour or something I don't think it really does this kind of a topic justice so I think we do have to schedule a separate meeting I I do think and I know it was kind of brought up you know I know with the way we have to have meetings you know it's kind of public but this is training and you know I know oh Bill you know have the meeting it warned and you know that it's done in executive session and I do recommend that because you know this is like classroom training I don't know why it has to be kind of an open open book not that we have anything to hide but I don't think a training session is meant to be a public forum just my opinion I'm curious about other people thoughts on that yeah I I mentioned that in the email that I sent and I have not yet asked you know I understand the desire for the training to happen in executive session and as I understand it I think maybe the school board is doing that and if they can do it in private session certainly certainly you could but I don't know that for sure and we'd have to we'd have to get some legal advice about that I think before we actually did it Bill how is this any different than if like a number of us went to Vermont League of Cities and Towns one of their trainings you know that's the way I look at this is that if we employ and one I haven't been able to get some information but the the course I took was through the federal government and it was an excellent class and I haven't gotten information yet I could probably get information to you on that but you know through the office of civil rights again I don't know if they'll do that for a town municipality you know you know they typically do it for you know federal agencies but that would be something I would kind of you know I highly would recommend it's it's done very professional and it's you know you know I know some people just sometimes roll their eyes about training of that you know we we had staff that did but I think I think it's it I think it's really important but yeah so you know we don't have to we don't have to make all the decisions about everything that we're going to do tonight so I can find out whether or not this can be done in executive session more so though I wanted some input from the board about when you want to do it and do you have a preference I mean I'm sure there's more options than what I listed there in that email and might you just suggest that you might be able to find something does anybody have a have a preference you know I think the two the seed the way and the Hal Colston one which both the schools are using those two people I believe those are things that have to be paid for the executive director of the human rights commission boy and I think I think that the human rights commission does that for remote municipalities for free but you know she was the one that brought pursuit against the town on the situation at the rec department so I don't doesn't matter to me but I'm just that's just information for the board before I mention anything about what I would like to see Mike can you give us a just a quick overview of what training course was what was like what you know what it was about well ours was always especially as a manager civil rights was a integral part of my job but for every federal employee and yes sometimes they go into all the civil rights laws which I don't know if that's something that that's I'm not saying that's not applicable but that's something anyone could kind of research on the track I think how you know how the laws impact you I think is something that's important that you have someone explain how all the civil rights laws you know impact you know public boards and stuff like that important you know the history is important but probably not as important we need some more of a working knowledge on how to understand you know what are you know I think that's what they're going to talk about is some of the differences you know how you know people interact um you know how you how you write letters how you express yourself in open forums you know it's not something that's going to happen in an hour you know that's what I'm saying is I don't think a select board meeting is is the right forum to do this you know if you're going to do something that's an hour hour and a half it's almost a waste of time yeah I would agree with you as far as a public forum my concern is that uh the sensitivity of uh people's way of accepting other people's expression on certain things uh I don't want anybody else to be put through uh anything that they weren't intended on creating as a result of misspeaking so to have this either in an executive session or even going like you said Mike on an online training uh scenario where there's a group of people that just go to listen to um the explanation about civil rights and equity or equality or whatever um you understand what I'm talking about doesn't need to doesn't need to be somebody's personal opinion doesn't need to be attacked and and put out in public I I agree that I think it should be outside of us a regular select board meeting um I met with the waterberry um racism group and they were going to be working on some options as well but I haven't heard anything from them so I can follow up with them but um I feel like we have quite a few options that are good I don't know bell if you do you have an opinion on which one you think would be maybe the best one to to start with yeah I I don't yet um I think that you know what can happen maybe mark since you've reached out to the the waterberry area racism uh organization and I've done a little bit of research I talked with that life legaros um a week ago and you know maybe you and I can touch base and try to figure out what we have for options it's sounding like people are you know wanting to do it outside of a regular select board meeting I think I would recommend that too because you just don't have time it out especially in in january and you know it's been a couple weeks and yeah there might be some changes in the board um come election day but maybe we should try to kind of target february to do this january for me I mean the board wants to do it outside of me being involved you certainly can do that but I typically have you know a select board meeting every week in january and then I got to do the the e-pod board the cemetery commission and the library commission as well so I'm pretty much tapped out in january for any kind of meeting so if it's if you're looking for any input from me I would suggest that we pick february sometime and and aim for that yeah I agree bill but I I think we also need to incorporate maybe yearly a segment on some civil rights training you know and and again I think civil rights this is more than you know we we've had on on um you know we the staff have had have training on you know um abuse in the workplace sexual harassment that kind of stuff and it gets bogged down a lot of it into the law and I'm sure that some parts of the law will be talked about in this in this uh form but I think the idea is to talk a little bit more about people and where where people come from and what their perceptions are and why they think the way they think so I think this is going to be a little bit different than just kind of legal training well I think it was good several of us on the select board participated in the last um you know racism committee meeting I thought it was I thought it was good you know and and one thing I thought that was good that they that they said people need to sometimes you know but you know you know sometimes making people uncomfortable is not a bad thing and that's where I think people get very touchy feely about you know talking about race issues because they are sensitive and you know you know I understand that but you know the only way to get down to the base of you know various race issues is sometimes some people are going to be uncomfortable and that's not a bad thing okay I'm also yeah no I'll follow up with you and I'll and wait we can follow up maybe together with the uh the local group I'll do a little research and I'll get back to you Mark and as well as Bill to see if I could find something okay thank you thanks we're going to move on to managers items a is budget discussion um and there's three items yeah um there's three items there the eco pixel website upgrade um eco pixel is the organization that helped us build our website they helped us manage our website and um Carla has some details I think Carla and I are both recommending that we do this the idea is to upgrade the website to make it more accessible I'm not exactly sure what that means maybe Carla can fill us in but it's a little bit costly we pay a couple thousand dollars a year I think now don't we Carla just for the maintenance so go ahead Carla oh like Bill said it's uh it's a couple of things we haven't had a full upgrade to our website since 2014 um some of the upgrades would include some changes to the front end templates um making it better for people using cell phones um but a large part of the project is to make the website more accessible I get a couple of calls each year people asking when we're going to upgrade our website to make it more accessible for people um to be honest I don't understand the techie stuff about it but there'll be things to help with navigation there'll be color changes so that people the vision impairments can read content better things like that and I think sometimes um there are things on the website right now that are a little bit buried it's it's hard to find I think we've all had some experiences in the recent past uh you know agendas where they get posted Beth Ann Mayer sent an email the other day I guess somewhere on the website it's still listed her as the health officer right Carla yep and he's been able to find that so what's the what's the price for this Carol and they also include training for us so that when we post things we know how to post them so that they're accessible which we don't really know how to do that now the cost is um six thousand seven hundred and ninety two dollars and what do we pay we pay monthly for maintenance we pay about a hundred and thirty five okay so I think you know I was a little bit freaking the back by the price but then we look back to see how much it cost us to build the website in the first place and it's it's rather comparable price given the fact that we did this so long ago and given that we're still in the midst of the pandemic and we'll be operating remotely for the foreseeable future I think that having our website as efficient and as accessible to as many people through as many different platforms as possible is is really what we need to be doing so um the board doesn't really have to take any action I will just include this price in the budget as we build the budget but wanted you to have the background before we went forward so is there any concern about this Bill who's considered the webmaster is the company the webmaster or you or Carla either considered the webmaster not me that's for sure okay I didn't know if it was the company that does this but there's four or five of us here that can go in the back end and change content so he sort of oversees everything but we make use calendar items you know minutes agendas we post all that stuff are you the are you the lead in web issues no there's like three of us that share equal equally not me depending on what's hard as you I know I I deal with it with a lot of different nonprofits what webs web pages or can be if they're good they're really good if they're bad they're they tend to be really bad yeah we've had a really good experience with this company yeah thanks okay Bill on that do you want us to do we need a vote that or is that going on the budget for next you don't need you don't need a vote mark I just wanted to make sure that and knew what was going on I'll just include it in the budget so we can move on to the planning zoning stuff if you like yep good okay so again on the weekend I sent out the planning zoning budget with a justification from Steve I also sent his work plan Steve is still on here he was here for the park district historic district discussion and I asked him to stay on so Steve why don't you lead us through your budget I think you're going to try to I'm going to let you share the screen okay all right I'm going to I'm going to talk while I get the file set up okay it's up to you Bill no I've got it here if I need it I think I've got it here somewhere there we go okay so I think you wanted it there we go okay so there's the planning budget I'm going to let you talk about it okay sure that's that's fine okay thanks so as I mentioned early in the meeting we're starting to do some screen sharing and this is beneficial to those in the meeting that haven't received information by email so the planning department budget is very similar to last year and I'll I'll let Bill go through any pay related items if you have questions on that I'll just say that as usual it includes my salary includes the salary of Dean of the zoning administrator it includes all the other the items related to the payroll I should say benefits okay so I'm going to skip down at this point unless there are any questions on that I'm going to skip down to professional services and just run down through the lines and if you have questions please interrupt me that's probably the best approach and then we can talk a little bit more generally about the work plan of the planning department and some of the projects that don't show up as budgeted items so professional services pays for a number of things pays for the Secretarial Services Patty Martin formally Patty Spence pays that takes the minutes for both the Planning Commission and the Development Review Board so we work pretty closely with Patty on those aspects this line is also included the work that Scott Newman has been doing on the for ours edition I'm still going to call it the far for ours edition a historic district survey just for ease of identification I know we've got a new name coming up on that so we're going to have some remaining cost for Scott's work even though the bulk of it has been done so we're budgeting an additional 1450 estimated for next year and then we'll we'll make a payment for the work that he's done this year just on that the the 1450 it's really not additional it was included in this year's project the project was supposed to be done partly in 2019 and partly this year and Scott alluded to how busy he is so we're going to pay him basically through everything that he's presented so far including the presentation that he made tonight but since he still has to interface with the state we're holding back about 1450 that will end up paying next year so it's not additional to what we've already paid him yeah thank you Bill it's it's incorporated in his current contract okay the the special projects items are begin with the bylaw rewrite we had a grant that paid the consultant so this is this line is a holdover we talked your last meeting pretty extensively about the bylaw rewrite so we don't have budgeted funds separately at this point because that grant is all closed out the green mountain byway is a project that i'm still quite involved with it's now a six-town project and a lot of this is explained more fully in the in the work plan that you got from bill and also there's some explanation in the budget justification but i'll just go through kind of the brief version about each of these lines so let's see oh i'm sorry i skipped i've skipped ahead well let me just wrap up on the green mountain byway then i'll go back to the reservoir and the trees and the bike pad so green mountain byway is now a six a six-town byway it includes four towns in lamoille county and still includes waterbury and stow we have an updated website we made a contribution of a thousand dollars last year each town contributed a thousand dollars that paid primarily for an update of the green mountain byway website so it's really a promotional tool economic development tool and so there's five hundred dollars budgeted so let me go back up and i'll try to keep track and go through this sequentially so the special project for the reservoir is the so-called greeter program this will be the sixth year that will do this with friends of waterbury reservoir it's a pass through of funds that come from the state it's geared to controlling aquatic nuisance vegetation so they're educating people helping to inspect boats as they go into the boat ramps at the end of lush hill road and at the some extent at the waterbury reservoir there they're the most active ones especially boats coming in from chitin county so we've wrapped up that project for this year and the we'll be applying on behalf of the friends of waterbury reservoir again this upcoming year also on that line though uh steve um remember a month a couple of months ago eric chitin been and his wife were in talk to the select board about getting uh some a direct appropriation for the friends of the reservoir and they didn't want to get signatures and i suggested we could find a place in the budget to put that so since this is really what they do is to deal with the sequoia nuisances the greeter grant and everything else the 4200 includes the thousand dollars that we told the chitin means that we would put not just the chitin means but the friends of the waterbury reservoir that were represented by our chitin in that night so that's where that thousand dollars is included in that 4200 yeah thanks thanks bill for pointing that out so then the special projects for trees is our urban forestry program uh the past grants are all closed out we've received a grant that you authorized for six thousand five hundred dollars through the state urban forestry program and that has a focus on dealing with the emerald ash borer which is now in both montpelier and richmond and we anticipate it will be here um one of these years probably fairly soon so this project as you may recall has two components one is removing ash trees that are in either dead or in poor conditions along our town roads in the town road right of way so we'll be contracting with the tree service to do that work uh maggie's way uh shell mansion road and uh greg hill road are the three areas that we're targeting initially we did an inventory of these trees uh the end of 2019 so we know right where they are and we can get them marked and get cost figures for doing that work then there's a complementary part of this project which is a tree planting in hope cemetery along wanouski street so it's a continuation of work we did last year planting trees along wanouski street we're working with the cemetery commissioners commissioners on that project so our tree committee is very active i'm also the tree warden so uh this is part of that program i mentioned the green mountain byway five hundred dollar contribution the legal service item is just that we um regularly seek legal advice sometimes it's in situations where there's potential for uh court action but a lot of times it's just to make sure that uh both dean and i are giving uh giving sound advice that to property owners to business owners to developers and we're uh interpreting our zoning regulations uh correctly so um we work with sitzel page and fletcher and uh they do a good job we're um somewhat under budget this year which is fine but um we we like to keep uh that money in reserve in case we need that help uh a number of items are um similar to last year the telephone postage no real changes there advertising uh we now advertise in the times argus and we've added the waterbray reader and um we're going to do both for a while since the times argus is our paper of record but um if the waterbury reader has uh holding power and i know uh lisa scolodi um i think lisa you're still on the meeting and um that's a great local resource that uh i know we get it in our mail box it's distributed widely so um we are going to be advertising our notices for development view board meetings any hearings that the planning commission has in the waterbury reader and if if that does have good holding power we may ask you to switch over and make that our primary newspaper of record so times argus is a pricier than the waterbury record was so there's some additional cost there that um we've incurred uh printing that's a holding um item because sometimes we do have to have outside printing done uh we're fortunate most of it we can do in house now office supplies no big surprise there we share in all the paper and everything else that we go through here beautification uh this is the line that uh covers a lot of the flowers that are planted on the downtown and uh some in waterbury center we work with the rt garden club on some of that we work with revitalize and waterbury it's also paid for um addition it's paying for some additional banners for the roundabout we've got some great new designs that are going to be going up next spring we've tried to be more inclusive in those designs uh to um you know work on our diversity expression and um so we'll see those with the main street project on the light poles that are going up that have banner arms that you you already see and then um we're ordering ordering them for the roundabout as well out of this year's budget next year's budget we anticipate uh some of that is going to go into the providing hanging baskets and the watering and upkeep of those that are going to be on the light poles for the main street project so we'll be seeing a lot of changes our design committee of revitalizing waterbury is very active with both the main street project and other projects in the downtown so i represent the town on that committee in fact i'm the co-chair so um we work very closely with revitalizing waterbury on that whole program uh training tuition uh was minimal this year because everything went to online in march but we're hoping that we'll be able to do some in person training uh both for dina and me uh we've got a three state conference uh planned for burlington in the fall planning conference so um some of it's flood related we do training along those lines as as well that's still very important in association with our our community rating system so moving right along um the mapping is a project that um we have our online parcel mapping system on the homepage of our website it's a very well utilized resource we use it in house a lot and uh both the planning department and uh dan suite for um assessing purposes and we do quite a bit of training to um well i i say training it's uh coaching for members of the public realtors others homeowners that want to access that information so dina and i uh coach them as as time allows and has a lot of good information that um we share the cost of both the online parcel mapping system and updates to the parcel maps uh with the uh town assessor so that's the the 2,500 and there's also an additional 400 because we anticipate with the zoning rewrite that we're going to need some help from the regional planning commission updating zoning maps uh we talked at the last meeting about first phase so we're going to be needing to do maps associated with the with the bylaw update the dues for the regional planning commission there was a region wide increase in the dues per capita they're trying to do a little bit each year just so uh towns aren't getting hit with a bigger amount so that's up to sixty six hundred dollars they provide a lot of good services to us transportation related they help the highway department inventorying everything from culverts to the hydraulically connected uh sections of roadway where we can seek funding to riprap uh stone line ditches and so on so that's um a good investment uh i serve as chair of the transportation advisory committee and we prioritize various projects including those in waterberry and i'm also um our our representative as you know to the the central mont regional planning commission board of commissioners and i'm a vice chair so that's a good venue where we can help promote our projects as well as those around the region the central mont economic development corp i just got a message back today that $2,000 amount amount will not be changing in 2021 so that 2000 figure is solid there uh dues uh space for uh my uh dues in our three state planning section it also pays for dina's um dues in the association of state floodplain managers that uh we we need to get taken care of so that's the 325 uh travel we've had minimal travel since march um been doing everything virtually but we're hoping as things improve with uh the vaccination um program that we'll be able to get back to travel at some point to uh various meetings right now um like you we do a lot remotely okay so um moving right down the new equipment was for last year that was um our share of the laptop that i'm uh zooming with you on right at the moment so uh that's a good investment uh that i shared with the rest of the office and the conservation uh commission we uh we budget 700 each year that money gets transferred into the conservation fund so the money gets carried over year to year in case they have projects that um well they do have projects that relate to uh conservation relates to work in the chute school wildlife corridor uh various programs that they're involved with they're also integrally integrally involved with the planning commission on natural resource planning and ways to incorporate natural resources and those protections into the bylaw rewrite so um that's how the 700 operates and then lastly revitalizing water barrier the 17 000 is our contribution that i think you're well aware of that helps pay for salary and operations for mainly operations with the revitalizing water barrier on the income side there are really just two pieces of income this year uh the greeter so-called greeter grants um that is a pass through the 3200 is a an estimate of what will be applied for and passed through uh bills just scrolling down so you can see the income portion of the budget so the 3200 you see on the right hand column is um the grant for the greeter that gets passed through and in two chunks each year and then the planning fees were estimating that of 24 000 we did surprisingly well in 2020 for fees were projected about 22 600 so i think we're lucky there we're projecting 24 000 we don't have a very good crystal ball about how things will go in this coming year but uh we're hopeful that the economy will keep rolling in water barrier and there'll be more zoning activity we've certainly seen a lot of residential activity um in a fair amount of commercial activity as well through this year and we anticipate that a lot of that's going to continue into into 2021 bill did you have anything else that you wanted to add at this point um just a couple quick things so first you can see in that second column there that's had a year to date uh and then the projected column is going to be i think we're going to end the year about 20 000 lower than budgeted uh most of that is because of the perloy and the zoning administrator that we had earlier in the year um and it's looking that the uh the proposed budget is going to be about you know right now it's about six thousand dollars less than last year's budget was um holding most things in check we've had a good good health insurance renewal so there was not a big increase in that which we sometimes get um the pay lines uh you know nobody got a raise in 2019 um in fact several of us volunteered and took pay cuts during uh you know the time where we had people furloughed and the people that were furloughed were actually getting paid because of the extra six hundred dollars a week from the federal government they were getting paid more than their their pay but it wasn't coming out of our budget and many of us took pay cuts so i have budgeted a very modest uh pay increase uh for 2021 um i don't know yet if we'll pull the trigger on that but uh that's really all i wanted to say right now i'm not that we'll carry through to every budget that we talk about so unless you have questions of steve really i think this budget is pretty much ready to go we'll uh you know finalize it all obviously before uh we have to put a warning together and put the time report together but i think we're going to end up with expenditures for 2020 about the two hundred and thirteen thousand dollar range and two twenty six seven forty five right now is looking like what we'll recommend and in a month we'll make a final determination on that i do have a i do have one question for you steve uh the conservation committee are they meeting their goals there that you know that they're trying to achieve there with the seven hundred dollars and whatever they get from everywhere else or what what they don't get well a lot of their work is education and outreach with um well it's really a couple things uh they're they're very active they're meeting once a month by uh by zoom and um historically they've done a lot of outreach to private property owners especially in the shootsville corridor they've worked closely with the stowe conservation commission they do um collaborative workshops and um you know about everything from certain wildlife to land conservation so i think uh they don't really spend a lot of money to be honest um there we don't have a local land trust at this point there is a waterbury lands alliance it's a kind of a community organization that um some of the conservation commission members are involved with so i think for now that their their budget is modest they may approach you at some point or approach us you know if they get more directly involved in um in larger projects but that's gonna nutshell what i hear from them i do meet with them periodically um and a lot of that has to do with how we can incorporate their uh natural resource program goals if you will into zoning and planning they were very involved in the last rewrite of the missful plan and they're also quite involved in the uh bylaw rewrite does that answer your question chris yeah i was just you know typically it over time the organizations like that request a little bit more and i'm a little bit surprised that they haven't yet no i was just wondering you know how they're doing and making sure that uh they're meeting their goals uh with the money they've got available yeah the 700 dollars that they get from us is really to allow them to to run a couple of programs during the year i think because of covid this year they you know they certainly didn't have many if any in person um training events but for right now i think they're doing what they want to do chris so chris as as former chair and member of the conservation commission i think it was on for seven or eight years uh that amount was initially started for different different trainings and associations that they would belong to and it's probably i i guess i didn't even realize that it used to be if we didn't spend it it wasn't spent now i guess they have the ability to use that 700 dollars if they don't spend it toward training it would go toward the conservation fund that was developed when i was in the in the conservation commission right then the 700 dollars might gets it's included in the planning budget as a vehicle you know we we raise for education general fund and the 700 dollars gets transferred into the conservation fund and then you know they spend some of it they have programs they get donations and you know their fund balance you know builds a little bit every year but they they don't have any real conservation money in their conservation fund right now it's just a little bit of carrying over from this annual budget basically thanks that's all i had thanks okay all right we don't need to have a motion at this point um are there any other questions about the planning budget bill the the only concern is you know it's a fairly flat budget uh i know we've talked about you know looking at possible reductions to the overall budget i don't you know again i don't know where this you know with this budget being flat it's really more of a comment than a than really a question that i don't know where some of the other you know departments are going to line up because we're going to have to make some cost savings elsewhere to have an overall budget that's maybe down a little bit well we we typically do these departmental budgets one at a time you'll see as we go forward that just like the planning budget here you know we we thought we were going to spend $232,000 this year it looks like we're going to spend about $213,000 and it's about you know $6,000 less than last year's budget in terms of next year's projection all that goes to helping to you know keep the costs down you'll find as we go forward that most of our funds are going to have a fairly significant fund balance this year because we've pulled in our reins and we didn't spend money so we're a long way from getting to knowing what our final budget is going to be but i heard you a couple weeks ago when you said you wanted the tax rate to be no greater than 51 cents and that's what my target is and i'm sure i'll be able to to meet it so i think we can move on from this budget to others if we're ready yeah can i just say one other thing there at some point in the next meeting or two it might be worth having a discussion about economic development director's position now that elissa has moved on what's going to happen to that position is it going to get filled and i just like a little update on how that position is doing and you know rather than i guess if we were going to ever take and do away with that position the time to do it would be when nobody's in it rather than trying to consider you know furloughing somebody that's that did it at some point i just wanted to have the discussion well there one way or the other whether or not that position needs to continue a revitalizing water is in the process of recruiting for that position right now they've advertised they're taking resumes um you know i understand what you're saying we we met with revitalizing water very a couple of weeks ago indicated that we thought that what they're doing is beneficial to the community i think i'm just speaking for myself with the mainstream reconstruction having you know at least a half a season more to go and dealing with all this pandemic stuff mark can speak to it better than i but i don't think this is the time to decide we don't need help with economic development but i hear what you're saying but i think that the organization heard what the select board said back when they came to your meeting in november or whatever it was and no no position should be about the person so i i get what you're saying it's easier to get rid of a position if there's nobody in it but i don't think we should be in the habit of funding positions because of who is in that position so i wasn't looking to eliminate the position i was just looking for maybe some conversation on how that position is doing right now and well we just had that discussion chris i mean we just had it a month ago and and i think even you know at the time elizabeth was in the position and all we heard from everybody was thanking her and what our w is doing for for work and you know so they're in the process of trying to hire somebody right now and if the board doesn't want to contribute the $54,000 that we've basically committed last month we ought to speak up pretty quick so they don't hire somebody i wasn't want to yeah understand that wasn't what i was asking for to eliminate the position i guess i was curious but you're right we did have the conversation and maybe mark mark has a little more involvement there than yeah maybe i misunderstood because i thought you said better you know if you're not going to find something to do it when there's nobody in it which is right now so maybe i've misunderstood what you meant by that i think i understand that chris is wondering just because of the timing on that if it should be a consideration my my opinion are we maybe we can if we need to we can make more of a of a conversation but i think that like bill said i think it's a pretty important position and hopefully we can fill it quickly i think there's going to be a lot of community businesses that are going to struggle to pull through this on top of just another half round of construction but yeah i mean i think we should always continue to have conversation and i understand the timing chris but i personally think that just because we have already committed i do think that that position is still needed um but i understand yep that's all i was interested in okay sorry if i misunderstood chris i apologize okay um bill i think i'm gonna i'm gonna head out here okay you're ready to move on and i just wanted to say real quick um that bill sent you my work plan for next year and if you have questions about any of the other projects that uh we haven't discussed in the context of the budget just let me know uh send me an email give me a call be happy to talk to you about any of those other projects so that's all i had okay thanks thanks a lot have a great have a great holiday you too as well thanks okay um i did send out i'm back to trying to share the screen here i did send out a highway budget i don't really want to spend a whole lot of time on this tonight um we we've got a an executive session and a little bit that we'll want to get to but here's a two page this is the revenue for the highway department the revenue budget um and you can see that uh the projections for the revenue at the end of the year are going to be um slightly lower where's the lower now it looks slightly lower than we budgeted but uh the places that are lower are really entered departmental transfers so the highway department for example we anticipated receiving sixteen thousand dollars worth of um reimbursements from other municipal departments to pay for labor that the highway department did and some materials that usually comes from the rec department or the cemeteries you can see that we've only taken in about 2900 this year uh but it's not really a problem because we didn't the reason we're not getting reimbursed is because we didn't do the work for those other departments we didn't open the pools so we didn't we didn't transfer three thousand dollars from the rec department to pay for to pay for that but everything else were we're right on uh which is usual um and then on the expense side uh this is what i was talking a minute ago you can see here we budgeted three hundred eighty two thousand five hundred dollars for regular pay for the year we spent about three thirteen to date by the end of the year i'm thinking it's going to be a little over three thirty so we're going to be about you know fifty thousand dollars below target on pay alone and then there's a number of line items through the budget here that uh we're going to be significantly lower than budget because we didn't do these projects so right now i'm projecting uh year and that we're going to we're probably going to spend about one million eight hundred and thirty thousand um as opposed to the one million nine hundred and eighty eight thousand that we budgeted so uh right now my projection is that the fund balance for the highway department will be about a hundred forty three thousand dollars and for next year the budget that i've proposed has a little increase in the pay a reduction a reduction in health insurance because one highway department employee decided to take health insurance offered to his spouse so we're going to have a savings there um this public works director line fifty thousand dollars is just a placeholder i won't know for another two or three weeks what that's going to be and that's just uh the town highway department paying uh e-fud because bill woodruff and alec tuscany do the work for the town for you know the public works directive work and and we reimburse them for that so down here the to the capital improvement funds you see we budgeted eight forty nine seven forty five to be sent to the capital funds now we spent uh far fewer dollars in the capital funds than we budgeted but we did do some spending and early in the year i talked about well maybe we won't send the money to the capital funds uh we'll reduce the transfer we'll save that money and we uh in the operating funds in case we need it for tax reduction next year but i think a better way to do that now is i haven't made this transfer of eight forty nine seven forty five yet i've made all the other transfers that were supposed to go in this week's orders but the transfers to the capital funds i haven't done yet but i think we should do it move that money into the capital funds and then when we're in our budget process if we still feel like our um tax rate has too much pressure on it we can reduce how much we send to the capital funds from the operating funds in 2021 so it's the same way of doing it if we didn't send it over there now but if we don't send it now and then we find out that we could have sent it we've missed the opportunity we'd have to really you know kind of double up on our budget next year to make it happen and that just wouldn't look right so i think i my recommendation will be to to send this eight forty nine over to the cip funds we'll have spent about two million dollars for the year i mean we'll have spent about one million eight hundred thirty thousand dollars for the year and then next year we can for now budget that same amount and then if we have to pull back we can pull back on the transfer next year so um we can go into much more detail about this budget in future meetings if you really want to but i think you'll find if you look at these line items they're very similar to what we did last year there's not a lot of changes um traffic control materials you know we budget 18,700 we spent almost 20,000 i budgeted 24 these are things that we have to do this is signs that we have to buy you know this past year we put a lot of signs up trying to prevent parking on on uh west shill road down to the uh access point we've been asked to put up you know the speed signs and the feedback radar signs in several places um in 2021 it's not going to hit us too much but all of the signs and painting that are on main street that will go into the main street project that k mcdonnell will do you know all the painting over the crosswalks all the painting of the parking slots all the painting of the you can't park here the stop lines all that stuff will be our responsibility once this goes by so we're going to have to bump that line item up a little bit chris and i and mark had a little conversation about salt and sand earlier uh we've spent less on salt this year uh we we've spent our budget on sand we're leaving those those two lines pretty much the same as they have been the fact is in a a little bit of a bump up in the price of sand which we typically get so anyway as i said i know you've only got this late this afternoon there was no opportunity to really look at it so it's okay with me if we kind of push off any major questions about this to the next meeting if you have any questions or observations or comments you want to make now certainly i'll listen and we can discuss those but uh we can go through this with a more blanket home um at one of the January meetings bill you don't need a motion on doing that transfer for cip do you know no because it's in the budget already but everybody's understanding what i'm saying that if we need to pull back we can do it next year and accomplish the same thing i think getting the money into the cip is important and if we can fully fund next year you know that'll be will be in really good shape because we pull back spending this year a little bit everybody else sent with this all right great thank you um i did ask that you include a conversation about the um the fire contract here you don't think i have it up on my screen i can't say that but everybody get a copy of the um a copy of the ducks brief fire contract that i sent out and the and the fire budget yes so as i said i don't almost all of our big spending in the fire department has happened uh there's not going to be a big change between what the fire budget looks like right now in terms of the 2020 spending and what it will look like at the end of the year we might have some electricity we might have some you know diesel fuel some heating fuel uh unless some really unforeseen things happens there's not going to be any big you know uh equipment or vehicle maintenance or anything like that so uh what i would recommend is that you authorize me to send that ducks brief fire contract and i don't have it in front of me so you'll have to uh somebody in the motion would have to read what we're proposing for the 2021 contract price let me send that to dexbury and i always tell them that if for some reason my projected budget is higher than it turns out in the end that we'll lower the contract because it's based on looking backwards um but i think we can stand to live with the contract as is even if the fire budget turns out to have a little bit higher spending than it does right now anyone uh bill you said you do need a motion on this yeah i'd like a motion for the select authorize me to offer the fire contact to dexbury at that price i move to uh authorized bill to offer the town of dexbury uh fire protection contract that will cover the dates april first 2021 to march 31st 2022 for the sum of 115,782 dollars uh of which will be split into two parts semiannual payments of 57,981 dollars uh first shall be due on may 20 on may 1st 2021 and the 2nd december first 2021 second any further discussion all those in favor please say aye hi hi hi thank you final thing before executive session um i sent to you um the loan documents for the for the loan uh that we talked about last week the 1,368,880 dollar loan i sent those loan documents to you they are prepared in such a fashion that carla and i can sign on behalf of the town as long as the select board has approved those um you really should approve them one at a time there's a resolution there's a note so you have all four of those things and if somebody could approve those i'd appreciate it someone want to make that um so it's basically each one of these four as a separate motion yeah well actually you don't have to do that i think you can just do it all at once just uh make a motion to approve the loan documents as presented and authorize carla and you to sign them on behalf of the town oh moved can i get a second second all those in favor any further discussion all those in favor please say aye hi hi hi okay um have we done everything carla yes we have so i'm going to pause the recording for this next topic did you will i get a hold of uh dan dan is on i think okay dan do you need a motion wait a second we need dan yeah he's here he's here all right so um i recommend that the board go into executive session to discuss the hunger mountain children's center appeal and you have uh you have two motions there that you have to make to get into executive session if you do that please um go ahead okay i moved to find that premature general public knowledge of the town's litigation strategy in the hmcc tax appeal currently pending in the vermont superior court civil division would clearly place the select board which has control over such litigation for the town and substantial disadvantage second that any further discussion all those in favor please say aye hi okay and then the second motion uh in light of this binding i moved to enter executive session to include the town clerk town appraiser and town manager to consider pending litigation to which the town is a party you need to vote any further discussion all those in favor please say aye hi hi all right i will pause recording now and we need um orca media and lisa scolati and anyone else that's on here i think i can boot them out you know lisa and orca can you leave the meeting please can i ask a quick quick question i'm stuck to mark we've entered executive session but um if you have any questions about and uh why we've done this um you can direct them at bill no no not at all i just just a just a like procedure are you going to come back after your executive session onto the zoom meeting under what onto the zoom meeting we're we're going to stay in the zoom meeting the only thing that we have on the agenda after this is to adjourn so i don't think there's any business after this unless i'm missing we will come back if some motion to be made right that was the only thing i was wondering is if there was something to be done like an action to be taken in open session later yeah if they if they have to take any action it will be done in open session after and you know that will be recorded there's no no anticipation that there's going to be any one discussion or anything else in open session after this okay you can touch base with me tomorrow if that's sufficient okay that's fine i just would just wonder like what happened next when you were finished so thank you thank you we thank you okay work in media can you please are you there can you leave the meeting