 Tom here from orange systems and I had a conversation with Mike over at DNS filter conversation went really well now This is a follow-up to the DNS filtering video that I did where I compared quad 9 DNS filter Cisco umbrella open DNS which I was actually have a follow-up video on that because Cisco reshots me because I was in the wrong Control panel, so I'll leave links to the first video the second video and of course this is kind of the third video, but it's also a bit more discussion on this topic to Discuss especially the conversation with DNS filter. 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All right now back to the content We'll start here with a response to Tom Lawrence's DNS malware filtering comparison and they've talked about the video What's right with the test what's wrong with the test and about how they retire threat feeds? This is really important because you don't want a bunch of false positives, especially when you're paying for the service So finding a good feeds is honestly hard They are a lot out there both paid free feeds and a lot of them are not updated anymore as evidenced by the feeds So they went through and started digging around in the feeds, which is also they reached out to sands And this is the posts right from that sands. This is the website what it looks like now This is the one I used in my video and here is the response they have about Peter sending them a message and saying yeah, this feeds really old and long and retained now This is a bigger issue because actually a lot of these lists are no longer maintained Even the ones that things like piehole and pf blocker I was digging around and realizing some of these lists have nep and updated in a long time And when in the context of the testing I was doing we specifically are talking about malware That is a huge challenge because malware is not like blocking some type of sinkhold ad site where the ad sites may not Changes often the malware sites are changing extremely dynamically Which is one of the reasons I chose as a test because it's ultimately what we want is Blocking malware and blocking malware is just not an easy task So they break down some of the discussion how they look at things how they're looking get rid of false positives I think this is worth your time to go through and read this up So I will leave a link to this down below. I tweeted it out earlier today And like I said they have everything on here. So absolutely. This is a good read Now related to that is people that keep looking for some absolute Decisiveness on this and in terms of all the paid services out there because we're not a user We're not directly paying DNS filter and I'm not paying Cisco umbrella for services I can't give you a really solid overall use case. I'm still researching and still digging into other methodologies Well, those methodologies was I signed up for the free feeds from Alienbolt and they refer to them as their pulse And they have like active malware threats and indicators of compromise and this is also a discussion ongoing in my forum And I had spot-checked a few of these With DNS filter with Cisco umbrella and I have my comments in there short answer is Certain number of threat feeds and I think I have one of them. I posted I didn't want to just fill my forums up a lot of these links But one of my posted some sites sink hold them some didn't DNS filter did sink call it quad 9 sink hold it at that time when I was doing the test the the Cisco umbrella and The cloudflare filtered neither one of those actually filtered that address that was then It's one of those things. It's about who's ingesting what feeds went So I will say overall though when you're looking at the free side not the paid services But the free side which in narrow scope when you're trying to set those up quad 9 Clearly for all the free ones out there really ahead of it I know everyone else is gonna clamor on and ask me to test their filtering system all the codes public I don't have time to run all these tests, but this is why I make all the code and everything's public It's in the write-up and you can find that in a forum link down below So take the time to read that response from DNS filter as good as concise Take a time to look at quad 9 if you're going I just want a free service to drop in and set up at my mom's house My dad's house or whatever friends you want just for some basic filtering for home I'm gonna say that quad 9s are probably one of the best ones out there in terms of free services But let's take that word free and look at it real quick and I want to Mention that on I said free service But they do have a donate button because they literally run a non-profit organization that cares about privacy Which means without selling your data you can't get that free service where you're the product This is a run by donations type of free service So as we all know nothing's really free if you can take the time and I'll throw a little money at them myself They haven't a donate button at the top for quad 9. I also want to thank them greatly for Constantly posting the forums they've been really helpful as well as DNS filter both of those companies have engaged With the community which also that shows me they care about their product a lot both the free service quad 9 and DNS filter like DNS filter having the You know chief tech guy reach out to me and have a good conversation one of their co-finders great conversation Taking the time to write a nice well-written blog post with links and thoughts on it Hey, that's what I like to see this is the type of community engagement that well Makes me happy and shows if you care about your product you you know care about your users of that product Not just my marketing standpoint, but they actually want to make the internet better, which is also a pretty awesome goal So go ahead and follow if you want to read back up on there And the last thing I'm going to comment on because this is both in the comments on YouTube people who reached out to me for Messages and people who posted this in my forums. No, you just don't use all of them That seems to come up where people go Can I just use some of all of them and get the best of all the worlds? That's exactly the opposite. You're only as good as your worst resolver and let me explain why and it kind of depends on your DNS system But if you have modern one DNS if one resolver fails as in let's say we have a website that's blocked and that Resolver fails because it was malware and quad 9 blocked it and you have the next one down in there And it does resolve it. You didn't block any malware So you want to pick one that works and like I said on the side of free services Quad 9 just a simple easy drop four nines in there and way you go They've got easy write-ups and how to set it up in a lot of different situations for the paid services Cisco umbrella it seems to work I do like the interface better if you just want me to offer it my opinion on DNS filter And of course, you know them and having the chief tech guy that says something reach out And maybe we'll have a conversation later that will do a YouTube video about about their product Their products pretty cool. We talked about some of the technologies they use. I Not at liberty discuss all of it not that it's you know real secret sauce here But it's just you know some of the stuff they do is pretty cool. I Would I don't want to try to put any words in her mouth and maybe they can talk about it Of course most all but you can just learn from their website talk about what they do But as they roll out some more products, I may have some more conversations ongoing with them Because they seem to be pretty slick and very reached out there I mean companies that take the time to write these blog posts There's other companies I've talked about before that I appreciate that take the time and easier often products We end up using they take the time to really do some community engagement and generally get out there so go ahead and take time to read their write-up over a DNS filter great people over there and The forums are still open with more discussion on there And I think a lot of people are getting it is actually what makes me really happy I'm kind of understanding that one it's very challenging and two there are some solutions out there that are Definitely we're checking out and if you just looking for that free service that you put to all your friends And you have a few extra dollars Throw some money at those quad 9 folks because they're doing some good work there And without a way to monetize your existence like a lot of other companies do or an actual chart for charge business model They do rely on donations. 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