 Hey everybody, today we're debating Flat Earth vs. Globe Earth and we're starting right now. With the Globe Earth sides opening statement, thanks so much for being with us, Benjamin and Snake was right, the floor is all yours. Okay, I'm going to start us off, I don't know if this is going to be more unique or whatnot, but I'm going to actually try to come at this for more of a theological and I guess poke at some of the philosophy that Flat Earth uses, because I think it can be damaging specifically to the Christian worldview and the mission we're called to share the gospel. That's supposed to be our focus and I think a lot of times, especially in circles that I know, Christians can get so wrapped around certain topics that are gray area topics such as the age of the earth, the shape of the earth and whatnot, that we miss the black and white topics such as Jesus Christ came to save us, to justify us, to forgive us for our sins. And so I'm going to talk about three different kind of lines of thinking in the Flat Earth community, as well as three different common biblical passages used to support the Flat Earth. I'm not saying you can't be a Christian and believe the earth is white, you should follow your convictions, but what I'm saying is we need to be very, very careful in the amount of importance we place on the shape of the earth, whether we believe it's a globe or it's flat. I believe it's a globe. So there are three philosophies in the Flat Earth Christian sphere that I would say are damaging to theology, to the Christian theology in particular. The first one is that I cannot trust what I cannot see. This usually references Earth curve. We don't want to say we have to go up high to see it. We should be able to see it from where we're at. Well, I cannot trust what I cannot see. That flies in the face of Scripture. This line of thinking avoids any trust we can have in the Trinity. You cannot see God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit. If we take this to its full logical conclusion, this light of thinking would necessitate that neither the Trinity or any of its members exist at all. The second one, I cannot trust what I cannot experience. That would be the Earth's rotation. Often it's said if the Earth is spinning as fast as that the Healer-centric model claims, we should feel it. This line of thinking avoids any trust we have in any historical event or figure in Scripture. We cannot experience the strength of Samson, the fleece of Gideon, or the transfiguration of Jesus witnessed by Peter, James, and John. If we take this to its full logical conclusion, the Bible, and its majority at least, should be considered unreliable because there are so many claims in it that are impossible for us to experience today. The third point, status or qualification doesn't matter. I was initially going to talk about the fact that this is dangerous because if you look at Jesus, this line of thinking would void Jesus' crisis or Savior. When Jesus was baptized and God said, this is my beloved Son, in whom I'm well pleased, this status counts for nothing. Who cares about status? Thus, the authority of Jesus does not give us, does not give any claim about salvation or forgiveness. When Jesus died, was buried and resurrected, this qualification showing he has authority over sin and death means nothing. If we take this to its logical conclusion, Jesus was, and who Jesus was and what Jesus did, means absolutely nothing with regard to sin, justification, or forgiveness. Thus, he offers us no hope with regards to life or to this life or the next. I do think that that could pose a point of argument for anyone taking that from the other side because that is talking about God. I would just then say, the Apostle Paul, when he was about to be flogged, he presented his qualification as a Roman citizen. One of the guys who was there about the flogging said, well, I had to pay a lot of money for mine. Well, the Apostle Paul said, I was born a Roman citizen. That changed the whole tone of the situation. So we cannot simply say, well, I can hand wave a qualifications because I didn't see it. I didn't experience. If a qualified person makes a claim, you can be skeptical, but we must be careful in not becoming prideful or belligerent in our skepticism. Those are my three points of philosophy that I do think can become very dangerous and can go against the Bible if we take them to their true logical conclusions. The next three points are going to make their biblical points. I'm just going to try to say we cannot make black and white claims about the shape of the earth, being a globe or being flat. There's lots of gray areas in the Bible about how it shaped, but there is no passage in the Bible that explicitly says flat or explicitly says globe, nothing that explicitly says geocentric or heliocentric. And so that's basically the point I'm going to address. Again, we need to be careful, the energy that we're putting into this. James, can you please give me a time check at seven minutes and cut me off at 10? I don't know how long it's been. Okay, thank you. The first biblical claim, the earth doesn't move to rotate. Usually this text comes from, could be first chronicles or a lot of the Psalms and Isaiah as well talk about this. He has fixed the earth. It is firm and unmovable. A point of issue I have with this is the texts are either poems or they're not intended to be taken as an explanation for the earth's physical state or they could be hyperbole to add emphasis to God's power. If we are going to say that all scripture speaks of the earth, that speaks of the earth is to be seen as literal. What are we to make of Psalm 104 or 5? Thou dost fix the earth on its foundation so that it can never be shaken. Does this means we must deny earthquakes? Either we cannot take it literally, which is what I would offer, or we cannot trust it because we can experience earthquakes. And so there's a contradiction. Let's see. Another passage that's similar would be Job 267. He stretches out, he stretches out the north over the empty space and hang at the earth upon nothing. This implies that there is nothing holding the earth in place and thus this would contradict the idea that the earth is fixed. If God disfixed the earth upon its foundation, how can he also hang at the earth upon nothing? My mouth is dry one second. Claim number two. The earth is flat. I'm so sorry my computer is glitching. The earth is flat. Proof texts for this might be in the book of Daniel chapter 4, 10 through 11. The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these. I saw and behold a tree in the midst of the earth and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong and its top reached the heaven. And it was visible to the end of the earth, to the whole earth. My point issue with this is there's several different explanations we can give and I'll just cut to what I would say is the most likely one to explain this. This is a dream. Dreams can do illogical things and still make sense to the dreamer and or interpreter. Take Genesis 41 for Pharaoh has a dream or seven ugly thin cows eight up seven attractive plump cows. Not only do cows not eat each other in real life, even if they wanted to, it wouldn't be physically possible. Cows do not have the hardware needed to consume bones. And then I'll jump down to my third claim. Only the flat earth explains the sun's movement. I don't actually know if this is an explicit claim, but I did see some issues with the typical models. I do know Nathan specifically usually say you don't hold to model, but this is just me arguing against the Christian worldview in general, making vicious claims that the earth is flat and we have to fight against this. So proof texts in them, the heavens, a tent is fixed for the sun. Who comes out like a bridegroom from his wedding canopy rejoicing like a strong man to run his race. His rising at one end of the heavens, his circuit touches their furthest ends and nothing is hidden from his heart from his heat. My point of issue with definitely just at the seven minute mark. Roger that. My point of issue with this is if this is to be taken literally, no flat earth model is correct that I've seen because the sun never physically goes to the edges of the earth and touches them. It's always somewhere in the middle and it moves in the middle. Also, this says that the sun rejoices. Again, that would lead me to believe this is hyperbole or kind of just God bragging about his creation. This is not intended to be a literal description of what the sun is doing every time it rises and sets and moves around the world. So I had a couple other points, but for the sake of time, I'm going to just go through my conclusion. Why am I pointing all of this out is because based on the biblical worldview, we're called to be careful with what we teach. Scripture says not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that he who teaches will be judged with greater strictness. That's James three one. If we go on teaching what is not true, be it openly dishonest or a genuine mistake, we are going to be judged for it. Furthermore, scripture makes clear if we cause those who we are teaching, especially those who are children or who are have child like faith to sin, the consequences will be serious, at least scripturally, at least spiritually and eternally, if not physically and immediately. And my scripture to support that is but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and for him to be drowned in the depths of the sea. Lastly, as a professing Christian, we must be careful what we put emphasis and energy into. We are called to share the gospel of Jesus Christ to make disciples of all nations. If we during that mission have conversations about the shape of the earth, well, then so be it that could be profitable. But if the shape of the earth pulls us from our focus and ability to make the gospel our foremost priority, then it has become an idol, and we should flee from it. And I support that with Matthew five 19 and then skip to 29. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 29. If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away for it is better for you to lose the members of then for your whole body to be thrown into hell. I'm going to wrap up there. So I will pass the torch. Okay, how much time do I have? You got about rough. What was that? I only need three minutes. That's all you pretty much have. Okay. And I'm gonna share my screen real quick. You got it. Okay, not sure how that's gonna come out with the aspect ratios and everything but okay. So I'll name a few ways to confirm the shape of the earth while you watch a live feed from of the earth from space. This is the Himawari telescope. It offers us a full earth non composite non NASA image. So obviously, there's a satellite can't be faked at the rate images are pumped out in real time and it matches real time weather patterns. So you can go and test this. Flat earthers won't bother I bet. Flat earth or Geronism proved that curve over water with his famous experiment. Interesting. The the way the stars spin clockwise near one pole counterclockwise in the other is exclusively concordant with a globe lunar eclipses show the shadow of the earth on the moon and it's curved the ISS has uncut footage longer than the weightlessness can be faked. Lake Pontchartrain has a bridge over it that's built to be curved. It's schematics are curved over curving water and the curve is visible. The fact that the sun cannot cover the entire earth is impossible on a flat earth. We can see lights much farther than than the supposed width of the earth would be so and a final way you can test yourself without advanced degrees or mathematics. You can go to the North Pole and go 50 miles South 50 miles East or West and go 50 miles North again in a triangle and yet you'll end up in the same place. You can only do this on a globe and you can actually go test this yourself. No flat earth or we'll ever bother. And this is just so much of the ridiculous. There's there's so much ridiculous whack-a-mole ad hoc stuff the flurfs have to pull gravity defying local sun that changes path for the seasons should be a simple quick visit but again no flat earth or we'll ever bother. So I'm going to put my cards on table here. Those are just a few ways that I the reason I believe in a globe. So but my tactic here today is I'm going to address the fact that the belief in flat earth and all the ad hoc supporting arguments are basically the result of not understanding things like how Australians don't fall off the bottom of the earth. How water sticks to a spinning ball here. How air can stick to the earth next to a vacuum. Well, vacuums don't suck air pressure blows but gravity pulls. And to give an example of how manipulative flat earth rhetoric is they say things like spinning at thousands of miles per hour. Well, the reality is velocity can't be felt only change in velocity and the change in velocity is 15 degrees per hour. That's a fourth of a degree per 60 seconds. That's not perceptible at all. So to visualize this imagine trying to wash your clothes and washing machine that spins one single rotation every 24 hours. Go soak a tennis ball in water and see if you can get water to fling off with centrifugal force. If you spin that the same speed for 24 hours straight, it won't be perceptible. So sometimes flat earthers will be converted by arguments like that we can see further on the curve of the earth than we should. But that's ignoring atmospheric refraction. So flat earthers say that refraction goes the opposite way that it does. So I'm going to disabuse them of that notion tonight if that comes up. Now it may seem as all I've done is attack flat earth and haven't defended the globe. But first off globe is scientific consensus. I don't have to defend it. It's been defended by the best scientific minds. The flat earthers have to overthrow the status quo. However, it is precisely in demonstrating the proper understanding of gravity that I will prove the globe earth tonight. If at any point in this debate, my opponents refuse to answer or engage in my demonstrations of how gravity and atmospheric pressure work, this will serve in this mission of defeat. These are my wind conditions tonight. I have three points total that gravity can contain fluids without a lid. It can do it on all sides of a ball and gravity will force earth to be a ball. So I'm going to either correct my opponent's gross misunderstandings of basic physics or they'll expose that they're afraid of the demonstration there by showing that I am correct. That or they might correct me and I'll admit defeat. But again, if they dodge, this will be their admission of defeat. And thank you. Thank you very much for that opening statement from the globe earth side. We are going to kick it over to the flat earth side. Thrilled to have you guys here and want to let you know, folks, if you have not already heard, we're absolutely pumped to have our first ever conference coming up this weekend, Saturday, January 15th and Sunday, January 16th. That is going to be in person in Dallas, Texas. You don't want to miss it. There are many debates that are going to happen. Just an example of one of the debates, as you can see at the bottom right of your screen, actual justice warrior and destiny collide for the first time in person. Talking about, you know that subject won't say it on air, but we're going to jump over to the flatter sides opening statement. Thanks so much for being with us and the floor is all yours, Nathan and Jam Truth. Excellent. Thanks so much, James, for having me. Really appreciate it. I'd like to thank my opponents for taking time out of their day to come here and debate. I'd like to thank the audience for being here. I got a lot of things you could do and a special thanks to anyone in the audience who shares the show because Jam Truth and I are going to do what we've done dozens of times together on my channel before it was deleted before it was censored and decimate globe earth satanic fake science and booga booga mathematics. So any questions feel free to super chat. I always stay as long as I can to answer super chats. We usually get through them all. Flat earth comes with a lot of ostracism and ridicule. Trust me, I don't need that in my life, but an honest man when proven to be wrong must either admit he is wrong or he no longer remains to be an honest man. And the truth is incontrovertible. Malice and ill intent will try and attack it and ignorance will try and deride it or derail the conversation, which we'll get to in a second. That's already happened, but the truth always stands. It is incontrovertible. So sharing is caring. That's one of the reasons I'm here. I'm looking for people who have eyes to see and ears to hear because not everyone's called to know the truth. Not everyone's called to have light in them. And the scriptures say you are my people. You will know the truth. You're not going to have to guess. You're not going to have to wonder, like Benjamin, where you can't say fucking white or that shape of the earth. That's goofy guys. That's goofball. Christianity. Okay, so be the change you want to see on flat earth. Just be the change you want to see on flat earth. Whatever you're complaining about that other people aren't doing in the community, you do it. Take the rings. Also, my opponent said flatter philosophy. You should talk about I'm not here to talk about flatter philosophy. I didn't even know we were going to talk about religion in this debate. I'm here to absolutely dismantle the fake science that's being pushed in the mainstream. Okay, because people need to wake up to that. Then maybe they will figure out John 316 is true. Every person on the corner stand on a sign that they've seen for the last 20, 30 years was right. So he says, I talked about believe the earth is flat. Both my opponents in their introduction said the B word multiple times. I'm not here to talk about beliefs. I don't care about beliefs. I don't care what you believe. It's stupid. We're here to talk about science, observable, repeatable, testable, empirical, not religious beliefs. Give me a break guys. So he also says you can't trust what I see. I'm sorry, but the scriptures say test all things. Okay, or what we can't experience. So you just hand wave dismiss the rotation of the earth. We don't feel it. All right, cool. You're right because it doesn't exist and then you gave numerous scriptures about how the earth is on foundations. How it will never move. How we can't be shaken. I mean those are flatters. And then you said we can't make black and white statements about the shape of the earth. Benjamin, what are you doing here? You're supposed to be black and white stating earth's a globe and I'm wrong. It's not flat and you're over here saying well we can't really know for sure. I mean we can't see it or experience it even though we walk around on it every single day and we're being told exactly what the dimensions of this realm is. And we falsified that which by the way falsification is independent of replacement. So once we falsify the globe model I don't need to have a brand new flattered model to present to you. Like this is third grade science class. All right, we falsified the globe. Falsification is independent solo on its own of replacement. Okay, then you said how can it be fixed and not hang on anything? Sun, my table is fixed. You can nail it to the ground and it won't hang on anything. So in the same way that my table could be fixed and not hang on anything earth could be fixed and not hang on anything. But Benjamin you've got a big problem if the earth doesn't hang on anything because according to the heliocentric model earth hangs on sun's gravity and we go around it 66,600 miles an hour. Like what a joke bro, what a clown world. So you're using scriptures that falsify your model. If you actually believe in the scriptures you can no longer believe the earth hangs on the sun's gravity. Okay, and then you bring up dreams talking about cows eating cows. The globe is the dream. Okay, that's what we're here to talk about. The globe's the dream. Then you said only flat earth explains sun movements. Yeah, we can get into analema, how the loop in the north is smaller than the loop in the south. How the points on the analema are not equidistant in the north as they are in the south. It's moving a lot faster in the south because as the sun's orbit goes between the tropic it expands and contracts. Therefore it has to speed up and slow down. And global people said well you just think the sun speeds up and slows down. You say the earth does that in its elliptical orbit around the sun that we don't feel ever that you admit in your opening we don't feel. By the way, velocity is not the same as spinning. Spinning includes acceleration. So even if you're going the same speed on the gravitron, when you say things like you can't feel velocity, oh I guarantee you you'll feel the velocity on a gravitron while you're sticking to the wall being pushed out because of centrifugal force which is how we dry close, we spin the close and the water flies off. And you guys think the earth spins and the water falls down? I mean talk about complete opposite of reality. Okay now let's get to some snakes arguments. He says oh over and over flat earthers won't do it flat earthers won't do it. What have you done snake? Because I've done long distance observations with high power zoom cameras. Have you done that snake? No. I've done infrared from a helicopter. We rented a helicopter and did infrared. Have you done that snake? No. I've done laser observations. Salt and sea. Have you done that? No. I've done mirror reflection tests. Have you done that snake? No. I've done astrophotography, astro archaeology, lining up the stars to megalithic structures and taking time lapses. Have you done that snake? No. Have you done any star trail videos snake ever in your life? Because it was one of your claims. You actually talked about star trail. How they spin different directions in the northern and southern hemisphere? Well I got a news flash for you buddy. If you're on a rock floating in space that's spinning one direction, all the stars in the sky are also going to move one direction. Congratulations snake. You falsified your model in your opening. So have you ever tested the temperature of moonlight? No. I've done it with a laser thermometer. Ken Wheeler who's a glover did it with a flirt. Terminator variation and prove that moonlight is cold. So have you ever gotten a group of land surveyors together in Denver, Colorado and then tested to see if the earth is actually curving for two days? Taking measurements every quarter of a mile? No. You haven't done anything dude. Like and you're over here sitting flat earthers won't do it. What a joke bro. And Benjamin scriptures say test all things and hold fast to that which is true. And you also brought up teaching children things that are wrong. That's one of the reasons I'm so passionate. Hashtag to pill the youth about teaching children that is true. I pay children money to read my flyers, get the video and put it on the internet with the permission of their parents. Of course. But you guys this is important. We need to start teaching children the truth because anytime someone denies an axiom or something that is self-evident they will reap their reward down the line eventually. So um yep I'm going to hand it over to James and I really appreciate it. The censorship is insane guys if you don't know who I am I ran the official flat earth and global discussion for five years. 150,000 members that's gone. My YouTube Nathan Thompson had 20,000 subs that's gone. My Instagram the globe is flat. I had 10,000 followers that's gone. I don't curse. I don't insult people. I don't post any nudity or vulgar images and I'm the dude you got a censor. NASA goes in front of the Senate and says I'm the dude you got a censor. Give me a break. Thank you James for hosting me on your platform. Hand it over to my brother in truth J.M. Truth. Let's go. Okay. Way to go Nathan. I just good job. So I wasn't going to do this this way but I'm going to do this this way because of my boy snake who decided he was going to come out like a jerk and just start swinging like a freaking crazy man. Okay. So first let me say You don't know what I said. I just said the Lord's prayer and blessing over you both because I want truth here and truth in love. Okay. So just so you know have either of you I assume now I'm going to make assumptions here because I don't have time to ask every time you and have a response so you can shake your head if you want to. I appreciate it. I assume neither of you speak and or read Hebrew. I assume neither of you have even read scripture one time from cover to cover. First of all I am not a Christian. I am however a man of faith and spiritual conviction. I also have spent time before the most time. When I say that I mean I had a Moses moment. I'm not afraid to say that publicly because I was called by the most high to speak truth. Now I also have dreadlocks as you see I have dreadlocks on purpose. The Catholic Bible. Oh yeah great excellent I don't read the Catholic Bible a bit. Okay the Bible is not Catholic the Bible isn't even really it's a twisted book by the Romans. I get it but their actual real scripture was real and ancient historians have proven it true so by holding that up doesn't show anything snake again you're ignorant. So also I assume neither and again I hate making this argument but well I would encourage you to go to jamtooth.com I am not I am a man of science and I'm a man of truth. I'm not a man of faith why because scripture says the father said test all things claim to that which is true. Did you know that the word faith does not exist in scripture in the ancient scripture even once the word faith didn't even exist it was created by the Greeks and is actually a Greek God. So when you use the word faith just so you know you're actually calling on a Nephilim spirit so let's just cap that down right now. Now if I can also share with you Job speaks to the flatterer okay absolutely doesn't Hebrew because Hebrew has a word for balls and a word for a flat round disk. The word is dur okay that is very descriptive in fact the ancient text was very descriptive. The reason that they changed the languages is to confuse your lying tongue. Okay so let's also make that I am a highly educated man as well and I'm not big on education okay but I also have a background in film, graphic design and CGI and what you showed everyone by the way was absolutely CGI and called it an actual film footage from a satellite that doesn't even exist. You just lied to the public and I can prove that I'm not going to write this second for what you showed was not even real did not even real and I'm telling you with a master's degree in graphic design your lie and I get really upset and frustrated when people lie to people. I've got four kids and this is now coming off like a lecture I guess I have four kids I'm responsible for teaching them truth why because the society is lying to them so let me just cover a couple of things real quick to blow to blow y'all's argument. If you've not read or studied Hebrew you should not be teaching because that's a problem you go to school you go to a christian college they they give you all this indoctrination and then you think you can just teach whatever you want that's the problem if any of you knew anything about faith there wouldn't be 47,000 religions and I'm sorry I'm dealing with spirit right now I guess I'm I'm on a pedestal I apologize but it but but it really grieves me because I've spent time on my knees weeping before the most time over all of you who are walking around with blindfolds on because you can't read simple scripture holy crap you don't even know it's not healthy not to eat meat the devil has poisoned you and is poisoning you about a minute and a half left in order to have a healthy body you have to have an localized system that's the way the father created us if you go read Genesis it says I give you all seed bearing plant for food not meat in fact all of Deuteronomy has been twisted to poison you but of course you believe what Christians say but the whole medical system is built to kill you and you don't know it so let's give back a letter which you go to jamtruth.com you will see that I have 17 documents from NASA their snake 17 and actually I've got more I've done a laser test at 35.6 miles which by the way is the world record on earth for any civilian that I am wear out 35.6 miles at four feet off the ground and eight inches times mile squared you're not there genius should I have been able to see the emitter in green I have it on video by the way so when you want to argue it I've got the proof for you you'll see it when I bring your memory out okay what are you laughing at Jay? It was Nathan doing weird stuff that I was seeing and I was just distracted for a moment but forgive me for that Nathan. No no no you find it so anyway 35.6 miles can you do the math at least to tell me what the drop should be on a globe at 35.6 miles I can it's 844 feet oh and from point A to point B for those of you that can't do geometry from point A to point B there should be a 266 foot left between point A and point B and that's about time and all because there's a 266 foot wall in between me the camera and the laser and me even my 13 year old can think of that out gotcha all right well we that is it for opening statements we do want to jump into the open conversation I do also want to say folks want to say we are absolutely thrilled to have you here no matter what walk of life you are from whether you be Christian atheists flat earth or global earth or Muslim black white gay straight you name it we are pumped to have you here as modern a debate of a neutral platform hosting debates on science religion and politics and we hope you feel welcome so hit that subscribe button if you haven't already for many more juicy debates to come and with that we're gonna jump right into this I have no idea how this is gonna go but open discussion is open gentlemen all right so to see if I've got this right um I need to understand how you guys think gravity works is it uh does do you think density creates a direction vector gravity is a lie used through gravity is a lie yeah through but yeah it doesn't work okay so what what do you want to call that thing that makes things fall called density and buoyancy but uh makes things call have you ever released a helium balloon and seen the helium balloon fall uh-huh so so if you release something from your hand which way does it fall depends on density no it doesn't or the medium that you're in drop a pork underwater and it's going to go well oh why why doesn't it go sideways why doesn't go sideways it's the same density on their globe model because gravity's pulling all things towards each other things should be going right horizontally towards cruise ship you hold a grain of sand next to a cruise ship you don't think the ginormous cruise ship an aircraft carrier it's going to have a large enough mask to attract a grain of sand it's your religion that things move horizontally on not ours now if you so we have our water so we have our first dodge are you are you familiar with i'm sorry i didn't even try to speak because i was in the middle of speaking um go ahead so we have our first dodge now so i asked you not dodging anything i asked you why doesn't something that has equal density all around it why doesn't it go sideways why does it only go in one direction up or down you know i i don't know i didn't make the earth and i didn't i don't know why things don't matter actually some things do like water if you pour water on the ground it will move laterally horizontally and begin to flatten out it's a property of fluid statics that's how i know all these beautiful blue oceans are flat and that's how i know that the earth not a globe it's called fluid stacks now snake okay so to clarify so to clarify snake i'm so caught gentlemen aria we're gonna we're gonna give you a minute to wrap up nathan and then just to keep moving in a conversation no problem snakes in this opener that all the biggest scientists have already proven it's a globe so he doesn't even need to debate it or defend it what are you doing here snake i'm showing you that you have it i'm showing you that you have no idea what you're talking about okay so to clarify so to clarify i do hold on okay we've got three people trying to talk at this moment just give me one sec is that we're going to give snake a chance to respond and then we'll come it sounds like jm truth you've got something you want to say so we'll come right back to you right after snake response so to clarify i'm talking about a solid object like a rock or a ball in a medium and you dodged the second dodge you started talking about a medium moving sideways over something so i'm asking you this is the clarification what i asked why does a rock when you release it in the water not go sideways if it's density dependent if it goes if it goes any other direction then there's something else there than density and buoyancy because it's the same in all directions so tell me what is that extra thing there other than density and buoyancy okay not everything goes down some things go up gas moves in all directions so obviously nothing is pulling mass towards the center of earth can we talk about your opening arguments because you just kind of scattergun total gish gallop all your arguments with no proof and then said flatterers will never do it can we talk about some of those arguments and you're not using we have may i interject just a point of thought go ahead so i i often hear this explanation for the difference between gravity and density and then Nathan the exact point you brought up usually comes up and i think the trouble that we run in here run into here and this is why i'm trying to come at this more theologically snake is holding up the empirical stuff way more than i will but the point is in atheism and anyone who denounces god they can't accept miracles and they can't accept how it works because they won't accept the necessary premise that god exists in the same way by openly rejecting gravity you guys are not able to understand in see how that works and so i just want to offer that out there is a a lot of things can i respond go ahead okay first i absolutely believe in miracles i just think miracles are so are science that we cannot explain the father does not work in my opinion outside of the physics he's already created now i know we're taught otherwise i get that and i still believe in miracles i've watched people get healed from amazing things but once i realized the biomechanics of it and the biometrics of it it actually makes sense the difference is actually time the father just manipulates what we construct or assume is time which there is no construct okay however gravity again what i've done enough impure by the way okay if you're going to use the word empirical please know what that word means let me let me let me let me um and i don't mean to get asked here but i hear that all the time empirical data is rich in data that had been proven by science okay that is called empirical data i have 17 nasa documents that are empirical data because they say nasa explains and admits earth is flat and not rotating now snake you can argue that to the milk to to the calcum home but you can't argue with me because you are not authorized to argue for nasa oh well yeah you're not either so we all know we all know yet you're lying about this we all know that what you're doing is taking things they're on my website i would like to respond can i finish please we are jam i can give you about i can give you 30 seconds to wrap up jam and then i do have to kick it back over to snake you can't you've got to have nasa argue you can't i'm not arguing it i'm presenting to you what nasa has already admitted but because you can't accept it you have to argue it away snake before you jump in uh can i touch on empirical real quick because i do think it's important no definitions jam unless there's a particular dictionary webster what not that you prefer to use i'm literally pulling this off dictionary dot com uh empirical just means based on considering with or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic and so that's why i'm saying snakes holding that up because i am intentionally coming at this more theologically and theory based whereas she is actually going at this from a scientific scientific scientific but you're missing but you're missing the very last step of the scientific method which is to present the evidence which is what the nasa document is it is that is why it is empirical data it completes the scientific method so you know that nasa says that there are planets that are globes and so what you do is you take statements like um we're using a flat plane simplification math which that's what they teach you in physics uh to use because it's a simpler math um and you're cherry picking that and presenting that as that's what nasa claims so that is that is a frank line assumption on your part no it's not it's because i've done physics taking physics obvious unlike you because you don't even know the basic i just told you i take physics well if you've taken the basics of physics how do you not know what the uh what the density table is i don't understand that you're going to lecture me about physics when you don't believe in gravity i do want to steer it back to steering it back to the actual topic so gravity is very important you think that gravity doesn't exist you think it's just density and buoyancy so there's the same density all around this thing hold on hold on general i promise will nathan and gm i promise we'll come right back to you but let's just let's sneak finish up this point it's just same density same density around all of this same buoyancy forces go in every direction and yet it doesn't behave the same in all directions it behaves in one direction so you are missing a part of the puzzle no you are missing part of the puzzle i just explained why you're missing a part of puzzle please explain to me what i'm missing yeah i was going to ask you what is the part of the puzzle don't just say no you know you explain all right can actually what was gravity created sorry nathan go ahead what was gravity created do you know because it was around concepts and Einstein did not create gravity that is actually absolute lie taught in school it is not true and there's no historical basis for it and i've got a graduate degree so if you want to argue with me go ahead but you better pull up some goddamn references first of all who invented gravity so um again coming at it from my angle there's a difference between creating something and identifying something and obviously we can't claim that gravity is a force because it's it's not defined as that but what we have is an act what we what we have is an explanation for how the world is working um and so that is what is being claimed here we're not being claimed that gravity was invented at this time again from my angle gravity was created at the conception of the universe it's when did we discover it same with microbiology when did we discover that that's not one who's created it always existed just took us a lot of catch up except you cannot acknowledge that in the bible actually there's more uh argument actually in hebrew because you don't speak hebrew or even read hebrew for actually a flat earth model than there ever is for a glober in fact there's four quarters of the earth the angel state of course the the rua the rakhi which is actually the dome it says is a mirror glass is what it says in hebrew it's really interesting that uh your god would require someone to speak a dead language to understand basic truths of reality and by the way i have that structure cover to cover just just so you know wait you say you have um i would i have you have i would yes i have all right let's get let's i think that's a point that was actually more related to the topic at hand is i don't know if it was benjamin or nathan that was going to say something yeah if i could uh snake brought up nasa photos jaren proved kerb lake poncha train and the north pole those were all in your opening arguments right snake correct all right right which one do you want me to falsify first north pole you said go to the north pole and then move 50 miles south or east you've never done that and then you said flat earthers won't do it you haven't done that all right which one should we do next yeah you won't do it you won't do it because you can prove me wrong you won't do it you can go do it travel to the north pole is restricted basically like i asked me to go on the slide walk in the narnia improve the narnia actually it is north pole or the south pole are restricted i have the north pole i have the north i've got the north pole yeah this is this is actually ridiculous i actually have the document this is okay they've hit a jr truth you're interrupting each other it is this thick and you've got to go through 20 different agencies now i also spent 12 years in military to tell you it's built that way to keep you from be able to do so because i had a security clearance and that's how it works dude jm um thank you for serving i try to say that to anyone who is in the military so that's it that's all i was gonna say you're welcome so that was one of many ways that you can test for yourself the other one that flat earthers will never do is go visit the sun which apparently is a couple miles away nathan you're uh you're muted nathan you're muted nathan we can't hear you wait can you just say one other thing flat earthers won't do did you just say that yeah you won't go visit the sun even though it's a couple miles away what did you try to take about like trump contra train and then say another thing flat earthers won't do and move on to a topic about the sun is that what you just did i mentioned it in my opening you just said another thing flat earthers won't do after talking about lake poncha train i've been going to the sun i don't know why you gotta interrupt me are you scared of what i'm gonna say well you're saying that i said you wouldn't go to lake poncha train so i'm correcting you but he's been to lake poncha train you just talked about lake poncha train and then said another thing flat earthers won't do and started talking about the sun yeah you just did that the audience can go rewatch it it's fine no big deal but no you know i've been what happened was i said you wouldn't visit all right all right we do have to have it such that there's not too much interrupting so Nathan will give you a chance to finish this in about a minute and then we'll come back to you snake i don't need a minute i just need a couple sentences and the dude can't keep his mouth shut so thank you james i really appreciate that so i've been to lake poncha train numerous times i know for a fact you probably haven't ever been there or tested it with any data you could show me but there's flat earthers there that became flat earthers because lake poncha train should have a measurable curve over it it's about 20 miles long and there is no curve i've also taken a time lapse from one side of the lake to the other side of the lake and it's a straight line i am not curving around a globe also um you can see way too far on that lake i've done sight distance observations i had 800 videos up on be the change before my channel was deleted like i said the people there found out the earth's flat because they're looking across the lake and realizing it's not curving so for you to say oh there's this lake i've never been to and it's curved that is so goofy because i've been there and tested it and you haven't so i've been there is not an argument you have to explain why it's not curved you haven't um and to correct you for about the fourth time i did not say lake poncha train any time during this discussion other than now the thing that i said you won't go to is visit the sun so that's the correction so there is a visible curve i don't care how many times you say i've been there there's a visible curve hold on one second jay i gotta let him finish go ahead and uh the specs for building the bridge is curved and um yeah and saying oh i've been there is not an argument you need actual data we have pictures of it that wasn't my argument oh another thing okay right you didn't have an argument give you this last we'll give you a couple give you a couple more sentences snake all right nathan just to be sure that he's finished his point as well just to be sure that he's finished his point as well snakes do you have any last points before we kick it over to the flatter side so yeah uh atmospheric refraction makes the curve look a little bit bigger than it is and we can discuss why you guys don't understand refraction either but i would uh like to get through the why you guys don't understand gravity first um but you know pick your poison okay so see nathan this is this is why i walked away to your school because i i'm i'm just not here to i'm not here to argue with people that and our ignorant um although we know okay jane we're jam real quick hey since i'm ready i got something loaded dude this guy was over here saying we need to not focus on certain things too much uh benjamin god's account of his creation is part and parcel of the gospel so a person with genuine faith believes what jesus said about heavenly and earthly things if i told you earthly things and you not believe how will you understand the heavenly things john 312 jesus is god and jesus created all things in heaven and on earth see colossians 1 16 through 18 and he's revealed himself through creation so it is very important to have an accurate understanding of what the creator is the creation is otherwise you will ipso facto automatically have an in an errant conviction about what the creator is if a heliocentric creation doesn't exist a heliocentric creator also doesn't exist would you agree with that benjamin yes great so all your quotes earlier talked about the earth being on foundations not moving do you trust what jesus said about earthly things or do you think it's all poems oh well no that's my point and jam can attest to this because he's read he's influenced in hebrew he can attest that one hebrew is a vague language it is not a specific language they like to round things hold on i do i do want to i want to give benjamin plenty of time and i promise we'll come back to you jam look through um look through any book that talks about militaries armies when solomon makes his great bathtub pie and this is a big thing that a lot of people say is pie is described as three if you go off of that while we described as 3.14 it's not actually either of those it's far more specific hebrews were notorious for rounding things so that's just to say what is written in the Psalms one is poetry and so it's probably not intended to be literal but secondly for things that are not painted black and white that don't have a specific singular hold on one second let's let's just i'll give it we're going to give you benjamin uh 30 seconds to wrap up and then we're going to get over to jam truth so he has a chance please sure yeah no and i i value his input but uh for things that are not specifically written out in hebrew where there's only one word for it they interchange words often um and again one reason i'm thankful the gospels are written in greek is because that's far more clear hebrew is far more general look at and i'll finish with this look at the creation account how old is the earth what does the day mean yon can mean a variety of different things and i am a young earth creationer so i will just say that but i can't say beyond a shadow of a doubt i know the north is young because of how vague yon is i know that was longer than 30 seconds so thank you for the patience okay first of all hebrew is the first language we've ever had and when you say it's vague it's not vague in fact the pictorial hebrew was so specific they had this when they translated it it took them forever to translate it because the word was very words were very specific in fact one word was a sentence which is why the translators had an issue they they modern day speakers didn't understand hebrew in fact modern they do didn't even understand hebrew the pictorial hebrew okay so no it was not vague it was actually very specific they taught you as a christian it was vague so they could lie to you that's the truth yeah and um if i can give one example if i can give one example of benjamin if i can res may i respond to jm i want to give i want to give uh a chance to benjamin and i promise i promise much of noise here so if there is one thing in the in the interface there there is a way to mute just in case there is a background sound for everybody not just ujm and then i'll give you a chance to respond benjamin and then we'll kick it over to nathan sure um so you i have no doubts you are far more versed in hebrew than i am i am a bit surprised that you believe it's a specific language now maybe i've been indoctrinated so let's just grant that so okay i just we really you are interrupting though i promise we can give you a chance to respond in just a minute but i do want to let benjamin finish i would extend the question to you if you go back to the original manuscripts how are any armies described are you given specific numbers or are they rounded to the ten or hundred thousand technically they're route it depends actually some are very specific and some are rounded but there are some there there are some that are very specific what's an example numbers right this minute i have to go look them up but that's a good question and yes a lot of them are rounded but when you're talking about tribes and when they're doing counts those are very specific i would argue that point as well i'd be open to you you know screen sharing is showing me that um but i again when we can agree to disagree because this would require a lot longer conversation and while i do think this can be related in the way it is a bit of a rabbit trail so we can turn it back to i would like to turn it back to snake at this point because i have uh gone off a little bit unless nathan wants to go i think i'll give you a quick rejoinder then we'll go to snake yeah one example is the word love i'm sorry it's the word love yeah yeah all right just need i want to stop interrupting me so i can speak one example is the word love there's one word for love in the english language you're gonna say i love this her she's chocolate bar i love my truck and i love my wife with the same word in the Hebrew you have eros love which is romantic love you have storage love which is family love you have philadelphia love the filet love the brotherly love then you have the agape love unconditional love like god's love for mankind and what's so funny is i pulled up this article to explain the four kinds of love and it shows god hugging a cartoon globe like how funny is that oh gosh so this is why it's so important that we have an accurate understanding of creation because if we under that that god doesn't exist this invisible blue guy is not real the creator of a heliocentric model does not exist so don't believe in him don't believe in a fake model either we falsified it okay can we talk about how we falsified the globe may well ask us more questions about what things don't fall laterally let me respond to Nathan's point real quick and then i'll give it up um Nathan that's an excellent point with love and you're completely right but i would say that is someone of an outlier and i would just use as a counter argument the word yum i mean that is so vague that's why there's no consensus on it so i'll leave it there unless you want to can i make just to make the point about the next estimate the new testament was not written in greek first it's been proven historically accurate by many different types of jewish scholars who've proven the first old testament the first new testament was actually written in hebrew not greek i would be fully open to looking at sources for that and i could be wrong but benjamin okay it's uh rabbi benjamin let me get back to you go ahead date well if i could uh thank you if i could respond to something if i could respond to what nathan said uh it's it's very important to ask why things don't fall laterally because you claim that there that things fall because of density and buoyancy and yet the density is the same on the sides as it is above and below so we can prove this by the fact that there's a pressure gradient you uh i'm sure agree with that i'm think you've agreed with that before you agree disagree on the cause of course but um the fact that there is a pressure gradient proves that density and buoyancy is not what explains falling because the fact that there's higher density air of the same composition as there is uh at the sea level as there and less dense at the tops of mountains for example shows that there is uh something else at play other than density or else all the air would be the same density when instead there's something pulling the air in a direction so you're forgetting you're uh deliberately ignoring that because it destroys all of your arguments you're right that's why that's why i'm ignoring you're right i'm just ignoring it because as a graduate student that's what we do we we just ignore it yes ever did you know that a density gradient has nothing to do with the shape of the earth at all whatsoever so when you say it destroys all of my arguments you look like a bozo bro um well the fact that there's a pressure gradient shows that there is gravity and it shows how gravity works excuse me it shows how all right one sec we do have to give him a chance to finish go ahead snake it shows how gravity works and from that uh with the fact that we know gravity also pulls toward the center of mass that explains the shape of the earth um and and no graduate level physics does not say gravity does not exist so we need to stop with that lie um so either that is not what i said okay you're gonna quote me quote me right don't well if you need to if you need to correct me just correct me if i get something wrong yeah i'll correct you said the only reason things all according to me is density and buoyancy uh if it's only density and buoyancy snake can you explain how quantum locking works thank you it has nothing to do with this uh when you drop a super cooled superconductor on top of the quantum locking track it doesn't fall it floats in the air now you said earlier i'm talking about a solid can you drop a solid it falls now when you drop the superconductor on the quantum locking device it doesn't fall it levitates and you can actually move it laterally left and right it'll stay there so but it doesn't move on its own just density and buoyancy uh electromagnetism it doesn't move on its own we know there are forces that can resist gravity i'm not saying you can't throw things up okay i'm not saying you can't levitate things and why are magnets um i'm not saying you can't levitate things with magnetism that's not part of it at all you do have to overcome the falling force but the other thing you don't understand is that quantum locked quantum locked magnets don't just move sideways because there's less density over there so that's that's what you just don't understand you still aren't answering the fact that it's the same all around yet there's something different going down that means you're missing a piece hey snake just so you know who you're talking to nathan was almost a neurosurgeon so let's let's go ahead okay let's go ahead and i mean i'm not trying to make it but you don't go down to i'm a flat earth or no i don't care whether you're flat earth or you need to be respectful part of the reason i came out of the gate swinging at you is because you're being a pig all right let's let's let's let's bring it back to the discussion at thank me saying you don't understand something is me being a dick i don't this this is a debate we're gonna disagree yeah you're right i don't understand things i stand over them because i under i i already figured this stuff out all right now i want to know have you ever done sight distance observation snake because you said flatter if there's no doing anything and i've done those have you done i said that you wouldn't visit the sun and things like that nobody has visited the sun snake so have you done sight distance right and if it's local if it's local then you should be able to visit it okay so you haven't done sight laughter of embarrassment all right okay you guys are speaking over each other i do want it just to be the audience needs to be able to hold on okay the audience needs to be able to hear you get what is like okay just hold on for a second the the audience sometimes Nathan and jf you guys are so excited you speak over each other i we just want to make sure the audience gets to hear you they want to be sure go ahead it's all good so that's a no on sight distance observations and you brought up how i haven't been to the sun even though nobody has ever been to the sun you can't go to the sun all right infrared photography have you ever done that snake the reason we should be able to go to the sun is not ready to say it's local not answering questions i'm answering your statement not even answering not even have a conversation i'm answering your statement i've never said the sun is local in this debate you're literally just making sure oh so you don't believe this on your argument you don't believe this on the lead there's the word again i'm gonna try your construct your entire cosmology is based on belief now real quick i want to know snake because you said multiple times is the sun local another thing oh you want to interrupt me again go ahead let me know when you're done you're changing subjects a million miles per hour is the sun local or not no i asked you if you've done long distance observations you change the subject instead how i haven't been to the sun then i asked you about infrared and you haven't answered the question and change the subject i actually had to get the moderator to say you're not answering questions so now you're projecting well i can't get you to answer that question i'm trying to stick on one subject at a time so are we moving on because you want to answer that question why are there so few things oh no you interrupt all right gentlemen all right we do just because there's so much interrupting we're gonna have to kick it into two minute sections if there if it doesn't slow down so i do want to hear from Benjamin it's been a while okay i need to know if snakes tested astrophotography i've done anything with astrophotography ever we're gonna give you snake a chance to respond and then we're gonna go to benjamin all right we're gonna go to benjamin we're gonna go to benjamin he hasn't i haven't heard from you for for a while benjamin what have you got benjamin said he doesn't know that you are not benjamin okay so you were nathan so benjamin what have you got um i uh i believe without a reasonable all right nathan um i believe without without a reasonable doubt that god exists uh though i cannot empirically show someone god and the same way i believe beyond a reasonable doubt based on the evidence that is out there that the earth is a globe could i be wrong sure uh but i would need the evidence for the flat earth to not only debunk the globe but also to outweigh it i will offer the only piece of empirical evidence that i can say i have and it wasn't over the ocean it was over a field but i watched the sunset and i was able to see the sun because there was so much interference that it was you know turning red or whatever it does so you could actually see it at least for a time and when it went down and i've heard explanations for this kind of how you take a candle and move it behind a certain type of glass and it looks like it's going down it's actually going further away i watched the sun disappear from bottom to top um and i didn't see any size change it didn't see any blurriness which you do see on the the candle experiment um and so that is my experience um so i guess what would you guys have to say to that uh well what did you expect to disappear sideways or from the top down i mean that's how it works on a flatter things disappear from the bottom first because that's where the floor is and there's converging lines of perspective that's right but i would also expect it just like a light moving down a hallway i would expect it to get smaller as it gets further away gentlemen we do have to we have to be sure that Benjamin gets to finish it uh it does sometimes look smaller depending on the atmosphere just like sometimes you can stare at it and sometimes you can't it also sometimes looks bigger the moon does the exact same thing um and so i don't know where else i was going with that Nathan what did you ask you had a question you said something i don't i'm not sure what you're showing me different i can't hear you you're muted i think you're saying that it seems i've got footage in position i've got it right and i'm yeah and i can i can pull a photo off line of the globe so i'm saying my experience is this my experience trumpster photos because i have that experience so i want you to explain to me how i saw i saw i recorded on video now where were you i'm guessing somewhere near sea level under a thousand feet in elevation um like i actually can't answer that i have no idea all right well because i know the elevations when i make observations and when i didn't observation 10 000 feet above sea level in denver the sun and the moon appear to shrink into little dots above the horizon the reason you didn't see the sun shrinking as it was setting is because the further it gets it's going through a medium that magnifies light okay you understand that aqueous particles are in the air and the more aqueous particles that are between you and an object the bigger that light will appear it's called glare well so i would say then if that's true are you saying it will look bigger or it won't look bigger because it seems like you're saying two different things it depends on temperature it it depends on the right and so then if it depends on your elevation that way we're gonna let's let's give a benjamin a chance to respond a full minute did you um you have talked a little jam we're going to let benjamin finish and then we can give you a chance to fit our talk um i think the last and this is actually a question not a point the last question i have for nathan would be knowing that atmospheric conditions can change or whatnot did you do that test over multiple days with the camera in the exact same spot or did you just do it once and then drop conclusions from that and you might have i don't know what your answer is so okay you guys say the sun sets and that's proof we're on a globe the sun doesn't always set and the moon don't always set i've filmed them with a time lapse disappearing way above the horizon and shrinking into a little dot when i started recording the moon actually thought it was venus coming in but all right real quick i'd like to share spring james uh because i have video you guys the question i have video of the sun getting smaller now if we i didn't ask if you had video i asked did you take multiple the fact that i did it once all suffice the fact that sun sets prove we're on a globe because the sun and the moon don't always set do you understand i only need to do that once so then you cannot trust the atmosphere nathan i'm not sure what you're sharing it's definitely not this is just you're sharing the the skype window so i'm not sure what you're trying to share that's all right it's right here um there you go the sun shrinking and not setting above below the horizon okay so next question it doesn't stay the same size always because it is literally moving away from you i just showed it do you have any more questions benjamin yeah how does so lenses and whatnot can can cause a lot of different distortions that's one reason that i know a lot of flat earthers are so skeptical about fish eye lenses and whatnot showing the earth is flat i'm telling you what i saw with my eyes that didn't happen i know that and so i'm just saying you you could have out for all i know you doctored that that could be a CGI video you guys use that argument a lot so i'm just saying all right can't just throw credibility to you because you offered a video nathan you're you're just you're sharing the skype window again okay thank you um i do want to i'm gonna leave it there and whoever wants to go can go so do you expect objects to retain their relative distance in the field of view as you zoom in james i've been waiting for a while just jm we'll give you a chance to respond right now what are you got you haven't heard either of you actually answer any of my rebuttals or comments i have a simple one for the physics specialist here snake and i've done physics i've studied physics much more i'm sure than you have based on my age i'm not trying to brag or say hey look at me i'm saying based on how old you look i've even taught physics the second law of thermal dynamics is unarguable it is a law for a reason because it is proven beyond all doubt it is accepted by all scientists in the scientific community except for the pseudosciences but all physics scientists have to run by the second law of thermal dynamics which says that all energy disperses until it finds an equilibrium i'm paraphrasing i get that okay but our tires or eaves are are a very simple example of that you pump up a tire it has higher pressure than the air outside and as long as it is in a sealed container it holds its pressure the minute you push the valve what happens it releases same thing for a vacuum in fact nature abhors the vacuum we're taught that in grade school snake just apply um you can't create a vacuum without a sealed container that is basic elementary physics yet they want you to believe that there's a vacuum outside of the earth and the air on the earth which has a positive pressure of of what is it seven point 14 something pounds of pressure at sea level does not pass the um what's the carbon line due to gravity the problem is gravity doesn't explain that physics is the only thing that explains the second law of thermal dynamics that is the fact that you have to have a sealed container to hold in all pressure positive and or negative or higher or lower pressure that's why let me finish the only way to create that is in a sealed container now right the modern day science will tell you gravity holds that to dear but you cannot go in any scientific lab and prove that i would i would i would give ten thousand dollars to anybody who could demonstrate that through the scientific method to me ten thousand dollars yours i'll progress all right i'm about to make a bunch of money so that's why the pressure gradient on the earth is very important because it shows that gravity is pulling air toward the earth which means that there is a field container gravity is containing air because well he's not listening right now i'll wait a second sorry uh so the fact that there's a pressure gradient shows that there's something pulling air toward the earth whatever you want to call it i don't care gravity is fundamental to physics i think everyone wait hold on it just let's let jam jam i do want to let do you have anything to say in addition snake yeah so the fact that there's a pressure gradient shows that air is being pulled toward the earth which means that there's less air at the top of the earth and that the farther up you get there's no air so and i i know you guys don't accept the fact that we've actually gone up there and we have satellites up there but um that that shows that gravity can serve as a field container because the way containers work it doesn't matter if you have a closed lid or just an open lid like a cup actually uh science jam we're all right jam we're gonna let snake finish you got you got about 30 more second snake and then we're gonna kick it jam are you serious right now yeah james because you're letting this like i'm gonna let him finish that's right so we're gonna let him finish snake go ahead you've got 30 seconds then we're gonna kick it gonna kick it back into jam so you can have a pressure gradient with or without a lid that shows that there's a field container from gravity um the the way that containers work is there's a normal force air pressure goes up against an an obstacle it gets pushed back down now the fact that we can show that gravity pulls things down means that air can be pulled down which means you don't need anything up here for the downward movement of air which means gravity can contain air go ahead jam all right you're done you're done james let me get this one real quick jam if you're okay with that here's nasa straight off yeah it's fine here's right up the nasa website phases of matter okay says liquid shape of container gas takes the shape of container now you know snake at sea level gas moves in all directions where gravity is the strongest right mm-hmm well when you get further away from earth there is less gravity so logic concludes the gas would continue to move in all directions into space congratulations welcome to flatter that was amazing being cold toward the earth even if it's slightly weaker a couple miles out just to recap snake gas doesn't stick to the earth at the surface where gravity is the strongest right you realize there's different physics for liquid than than gas you just said yes now you're gonna say wrong so gravity all directions at earth you said air does not stick to the earth at sea level grab gas moves in all directions at earth surface we went over this and you said yes it does right correct and then there's a downward force which moves it downward there's no downward force it moves in all directions and moves downward is that what you're saying snake yeah the the biggest vector is down the biggest vector but it moves in all directions right snake it's omnidirectional at earth surface where gravity is the strongest right have you ever added vectors and physics okay you can have an up vector while there's a down okay so again jm and nathan are both responding at the same time so hold on a second okay so listen hold on don't make me eat you i don't like doing that but i'll do it at this point i didn't enjoy it so i do have to actually let each person speak one at a time nathan and jm truth you are speaking over each other right now and you're on the same team so one of you has to decide who's going to defer to the other james i was in the middle of speaking so jm okay so jm you got to wait for nathan to finish up it's your teammate okay go ahead nathan i need a simple answer to the question jm you're talking over again i need a simple answer to the question not not a bunch of different talk about vectors does gas move in all directions at earth surface snake yes or no yes the reason that gravity is the strongest question the reason i asked you a question is because you have this long monologue and then you attack on a question at the end so i'd like to respond to both but yes air doesn't move in all directions i need i need to ask you a simple question is gravity the strongest at earth surface uh no but above the earth no it's not it would be stronger underground but okay i understand what you're saying i understand what you're saying okay great so gravity is the strongest at earth surface not at the karmine line right above the earth it's stronger below the earth but yes an exponentially stronger because it's m1 plus m2 divided by d squared it works on the inverse square law so not only is it weaker it's exponentially weaker as you get away from the surface of the earth snake you wouldn't know this if you knew your own science now gravity is the strongest at the surface of earth not the karmine line right snake i didn't catch that gravity moves in all directions at earth surface where it's the strongest gravity stronger here than the karmine line right snake yes okay so we already agreed gas moves in all directions on earth surface and you're trying to say at the karmine line it just goes down because of the gravity which got exponentially weaker as you left the earth surface it's just decimated bro your whole argument got decapitated and i set it on fire dude no because there's still even if it's weaker it's still moving down doesn't matter if it's it's moving in directions okay i'm gonna give jam truth the last word now i'm gonna give jam truth the last word because we're gonna go into the q and a shortly jam truth what have you got okay liquid must can be contained in an open container gas cannot that is a basics of physics dude and the no it's not so for hexaflora you're you're absolutely helpless bro i don't know i'll start it okay we're going to jump in a q and a chemistry physics you deny your own that's not an absolutely occurring element look up so for hexaflora ride so for hexafluoride is not classified as a gas go look it up it's a liquid it's a gaseous liquid we're gonna jump right into these questions thank you very much folks do want to mention we are absolutely thrilled my dear friends as mentioned the upcoming conference this january 15th and 16th this saturday and sunday this weekend in dallas texas you can get tickets the link for the tickets in the debate schedule is in the description right now so we'd love to get to meet you in dallas texas this coming weekend and with that we're going to jump into these questions thanks so much this one coming in from do appreciate it's even thanks for your super sticker and thanks grimlock says please no spongebob abuse tonight made by jim bob says snake how long would a carpenter's level need to be for it to no longer read level it could be as long as you wanted it to be level just means tangent with the with the center of gravity quani upstate says only a globe is viewed as a circle from every point of view look at enough satellite photos to see every earth landmass and everyone is circular was there a question that i didn't catch some of them are going to be statements during this q and a very interesting thank you this one coming up from made by jim bob says snake a hole drilled directly through the earth i rappel to the center and cut the rope will i levitate at this i mean assuming you don't get burnt up this one coming in from quani upstate says air pressure diminishes to the pressure in space as altitude increases because less and less gas is above you being pulled down by the force of gravity uh mainstream science says gravity is not a force these people don't know their own religion it changed a hundred years ago next question that doesn't change the fact that it still moves things downward of course gravity was gravity before gravity there was density by the way just so you know something's still moving things downward i don't care what you call it it's all density a object that has more gravity showed you that doesn't work object below it already is going to move down then it should move sideways too that was proven hundreds and thousands of years ago this one coming in from we're done with the snake bro we're in the question these are people we need to talk to king 044 says nathan you don't want to be a flat earther cool do t-jumps ham radio experiment your honest man statement is so dishonest it's crazy now t-jump doesn't have an observation he's never made any observation just like every glober i've ever debated on this channel they've never done sight distance observations laser observations infrared observations mirror reflection tests laser uh thermometer tests astro archaeology astrophotography they don't do anything so next question king 044 says question for dunning and kruger please explain how an equatorial mount works on a flat earth for nathan and jam truth how does an equatorial mount no that's not for us he called us dunning and kruger i'm not that's not me this one coming up for mr monster says after reading the bible it made me an atheist wouldn't you come to the same conclusion and then like robin hood and then they say if the earth was flat and the sun was above it wouldn't the entire disk be lit up benjamin will give you a chance to respond to the first one say they say after reading the bible it made me an atheist benjamin what are your thoughts um well to be honest we need a whole lot more time to get into that that could be another debate um discussion topic i don't have a pithy response this one coming in from i got one do appreciate it i got a pithy response okay nathan what have you got an enemy of the creator stuck in your sin and having no peace cool mr monster says if the earth was flat you have a habit of talking over virtually everybody but but go ahead jam truth who's talking over everybody it seems like every time you talk it's while someone else is talking but we'll give you a chance to respond well that's because nobody gives me a chance to respond and i've got to be like hey hello can i respond we'll give you a chance to respond again go ahead but would you like to respond to this what so jam truth it's almost like you're purposely talking while i'm trying to talk okay mr monster so they had said after reading the bible maybe an atheist jam truth do you have a response like it doesn't travel forever period got you on mr monster says if the earth was flat and the sun was above it wouldn't the entire disk be lit up that was my that was my answer sometimes we do have 24 hour days in the north during summer so it is entirely lit up sometimes but because the sun is small small and localized proven by corpuscular rays all the rays converge to one single point above the clouds the sun is obviously directly above the clouds temperature variations during the day prove this the fact we have drastic temperature variations for the seasons as it moves closer and farther away i mean it is localized heat works on an inverse square lot if we were 93 mile million miles from the sun the earth would have an ambient temperature it would not change drastically between day and night and throughout seasons right this one can kango 044 says question for jam truth please give us your expert advice on cgi what's the best sim simulation framework in houdini to render volume metrics you want your money i bet you do i i want your money too because this is a clown show jam i just asked you a question yeah you also just accused me of always talking over you which i haven't done i'm trying to ask you a question now you don't want to talk okay well stupid horror energy says reds rhetoric has a video which shows the angular size of the sun doesn't change throughout the day how is that possible if the sun is small and near chris monmartre has uh one with the solar filter where it does change right there you go kango 044 says james go ahead i you've you know been very forward about you know wanting reviews and whatnot so i just wanted to say i do think jam has been interrupting to an extent but i do think there have been some coincidental times just from my point of view i don't think he's been maliciously interrupting but there has been some of it i just wanted to put that out there and leave it there thanks for that feedback i appreciate that this one kango 04 forces question for jam truth please give us your expert advice on cgi what's the best simulation framework in houdini to render volume metrics houdini is not uh i'm not familiar with the uh software so i can't make a comment you got it in i don't know and have an experience you got it and this one coming in from kango 04 forces graphics question for jam truth when rendering cgi to fake the globe can you please tell us which rendering algorithm do you think is best i think unreal engine is probably the best software gotcha and this one coming in from do appreciate your question mr monster says how is the Antarctic circumpolar oceanic current maintained on a flat earth how is it even created without the choreolus effect who is that question for circumpolar so it goes in a circle around the pole and i've never been to Antarctica i haven't verified that even happened i've seen no data for it ever but i mean it could work the same way that the fluid that goes for hurricanes it spins in opposite directions north and south of the equator it could be some sort of electromagnetic wake that also influences the air and the water on earth kango 04 forces question for jam truth when when doing your cgi stuff can you talk about your use of vdp or vdb to model and render the atmospheric effects no because i actually have cgi monitors now to do that this one from joe schwart says maybe we're living on a flat surface inside of a ball yeah probably this one from stupid horror energy says argumentum add document this one from mr monster says i drop an apple it falls that to me is proof of gravity only beyond the atmosphere can i drop an apple and it won't hit the ground why deny evidence i have to do it and show it like obviously if you drop an apple in a bucket of water it floats that's how you look for apples so there's something else at play there other than the fact that apple is hard and false this one from made by jim bob says snake at what size or mass do things start sticking to objects yeah i'm not sure i forgot this one from mr monster says reading leviticus in hebrew made me even more of an atheist can't you see and then they would basically give you a chance to respond whether it be benjamin or jm truth or nathan so to the the last question to snake i think everything has a gravitational force to a certain extent it's just isn't noticing how big it is for the second question james i'm sorry i missed half it because i wasn't paying attention what did you say uh that was basically it the hebrew the hebrew thing there really wasn't a question there i'm sorry if you feel more to be like atheist but actually hebrew is probably one of the greatest languages i've ever learned this one from willstourthfc rant says what branch jam and what was your afsc or m-o-s or n-e-c i've covered this before i spent time in the united states army 12 years i'm not going to go any further than that because i'm not going there anymore i already years ago got into that and it's the information is out there for people they want to find it i'm not gonna i'm not gonna bring up my military record you got it ozzie talks says i have video showing curves away that's a cool story i've been to lake michigan and there's no curve on lake michigan i've been like punch train there's no curve there i've been to the pacific ocean there's no curve there you just made an empty claim you didn't give us any data any amount earth drop any claim you just made empty claim cool story globe head i'm going to sleep this one from stupid or energy says the septuagent shows us how greek translations of hebrew look like the new testament is not a hebrew translation jam i think that's for you yeah okay read the question again they say the septuagent shows us how greek translations of hebrew look like namely they show us what it looks like to see a translation go from hebrew to greek and then she says the new testament is not a hebrew translation new testament was translated from hebrew you're right the new testament is not a hebrew translation but in jerusalem they did find the first matthew in hebrew prior to its writing in greek so yes it has been pretty much scientifically proven that it had to been translated from something it was translated from hebrew when i speak of hebrew i'm not talking about modern day hebrew modern day hebrew is actually a twisted form of hebrew i'm talking about pictorial hebrew which is a completely different um i completely different thing i i do think the septuagent is the greek version of the old testament so i'm not actually sure that works like the question was uh yeah it was the question was was kind of messed up this one coming in from do appreciate your question dated valar says i personally destroyed nathan in a debate twice and i officially request a chance for a third beatdown new chicken nathan i've never heard of that i've never heard of that i and that guy wants to debate me again after already debating me twice i mean i'm upset i have to debate snake a second time i'm i didn't know he was going to be one of the opponents or that i don't like recycling globers i think that's boring bro it's like once he does your feet once why are you trying to go for a hat trick that's just weird bro are you obsessed with me this one coming in from do appreciate your question area 85 restoration says since apparently nathan is almost a neurosurgeon ask him what the neurological disease ms is including a description of the damage it causes you got it this one coming in from do appreciate your question david valar says nate is showing different brightness of the sun and lying calling it different sizes i'm sorry glober that you couldn't figure out that was a picture of the moon this one coming in from kango 4 4 says nathan where did you do all right nathan where did you do your undergraduate study before medical school then after where did you do your internship and residency jam's truth said you were almost a neurosurgeon i said he had an intellect i'm almost a neurosurgeon is what i said actually this one coming from david valar says even with aqueous glare it doesn't explain why people thousands miles apart we'll see the sun the same size one third arc minute at the same time happening on a flatter too next question yeah this one coming in from do appreciate your question david valar says no nate you do not have video of the sun receding into a dot europe misrepresent the video of you zooming out yes it's zooming out i guess that guy missed the part where i showed the video of the sun you got it and thank you very much for this question coming in from azian talks the second law of thermodynamics proves gravity and a globe go back to study physics in grade school i'm assuming he's talking to me next question because he doesn't even understand the second law of thermodynamics so you got it and thank you very much for your question this one coming in from k-04 force this question for jm truth please explain max wells demon to the audience next question is it i mean i think it is just a sincere like i don't think they're trolling we didn't even bring up max wells demon yeah we even talk about this will sure it says jam did you teach physics so the master's degree in graphic design you don't teach physics in i-d-c one coming in from mark reid says jam if there is physical a physical container then why doesn't the air equalize in the atmosphere and become the same pressure like in your example of a tire tire because there is no density there is no density table in a tire the air that we breathe have many different elements in it therefore it does neutralize or equalize into the density table that's why the air's thinner the higher you go a tire also has different elements a tire is a static closed system not a dynamic closed system that's the difference the earth is a dynamic closed system thank you what is the difference waves on the road what's the difference between dynamic closed and static closed and i'm genuinely asking i i do not know that static the air would be isotropic and homogenous in a dynamic system the air's in energy being introduced for example hot sunlight cold moonlight that will affect everything so it's a dynamic system on both models i'm sorry globalist don't know their own religion i'm here to teach it roger that that happens in tires too heat is introduced so is pressure waves thanks snake you're so smart i really appreciate that thank you this is coming in from you appreciate your question david velar says second law is based on all other forces being applied equally that energy will tend to be dispersed equally hey yes that's true except in a dynamic system we have a heat source and a cool source spinning around the earth heating up and cooling off the system that creates a dynamic system i can't believe i'm having to teach basic physics what unit of physics teaches you about a cool light and cool forces that's what i thought just sit there and look pretty much that's what i thought that's about it this one coming in from do appreciate your question soldier of science says can we get a pole going best headgear one trucker hat with built-in snow goggles Barrett Colin Kaepernick afro or silent bob beanie you guys all have epic hair and and hats soldier of sciences oh we got that one these are at the level david velar says containers can exist due to static forces such as physical lids gravitational forces such as earth or magnetic forces a magnetic force does not create a container science does not this one coming in from david velar says Nate you confuse quote strongest with merely being present at all he never said it only went down either stop lying this one coming in from do appreciate it lb things stuff and more says jam explains spherical excess in surveying we didn't talk about surveying move on guys listen you can ask me all the questions if we didn't discuss it or it wasn't a debate I'm not gonna entertain it this one from displace gamer says is the sun local yes or no only Nathan of course this one from hill sizes Nathan what is the sun moon in star's role in our reality what purpose do they serve that's a good question but that could take the guys for science and seasons so this this one from david velar says it's colder at higher altitudes Nathan yeah that's because the sun's not hot the earth is paddle blow your mind that's a good one hill site says Benjamin how can god be all seeing with this spherical earth doesn't a flat or flat circle such as isaia 4022 make more sense no because the god I'm referring to which is the christian god is omnipresent he's not bound by any physical constraints this one coming in from do appreciate your question hill side says oh got that one stupid horror energy says reds also has a video of parallel anti crepe crepe secular rays being seen for a while on a plane showing the sun is big and far red must be their priest no it's typical globe religion I never tested it but I know guy I have not I counted more times that people recorded red than god in this seriously like rolling down this one coming in from do appreciate your question nag noony says what was the best CGI rendering engine in 1969 I'm assuming they're asking me I think so I'd have to go look it up I don't know I think that's a poke at the moon landing so I know yeah it is I know I realize that I'm kind of just letting shit go because it's just stupid you know this one coming in from do appreciate your question we'll stewart says j m and a f s c was just an alpha numeric description of your job it's not private information why not answer I was and one n r or what is it sorry one n four forward slash nine eight c forward slash k three six a okay why don't I answer it because I want to piss you off that's why this one coming in from the craw daddy okay here right just just give out a big jerk says I find it extremely suspicious that you don't think something else says I find it extremely suspicious that you won't say what your job title was in the army snake I'm really aware that people think something else I realize they're actually being jerks and when I were asked Nathan I would have been down this road and I've embarrassed multiple people five years ago public five years ago this idea to 14 I've also been dead but disabled dinner thank you good for you this one coming in from do appreciate your question Joe Schwartz says what is your favorite video game suppose we'll get this from all of you all duty nope video games cause brain damage I don't like any video game they're system killers they literally call some of you guys you gotta check this out any other favorite games my vote was for farm simulator I'm still going with Skyrim kangol I like games I gotta go though okay thank you so much guys it was fun I appreciate it Nathan love you bro love all you guys actually but uh peace and love thanks jam I'm home take care thanks jam yep appreciate it let me read just the pictures here it'll be a little bit scrambled for just a moment but as I do I'll ask the next question Pat G says to the flatterers if you ever cite the bible how did you determine it's correct and b every other religious text is wrong what was your method you're on mute Nathan oh sorry guys I used to hold my middle finger up to the creator I didn't read the bible to prove the bible is real I read it to disprove it and after five years I was learning about prophecy and equidistant letter sequencing and numerology and all the freaking stuff that you can verify yourself and other people have also verified about scriptures five years later I was reluctantly a Christian and it was one of the best decisions I ever made the creators greater we've only seen a sliver and those are for the people who know them not the atheists I think they only want to spin a ball they don't know the creator that creator doesn't exist Benjamin we'll give you a chance to respond if you'd like well I'm thankful that Nathan has a relationship but I will say I don't think it has to be that complicated for some who might come a little bit easier the spirit can pride in different ways I think that actually I think C.S. Lewis I could be wrong but I think he also not nothing to do with I think any physical attributes but he was resistive and in his resistance came to faith I think it was him but yeah I'll leave that there you got it Anne thank you very much for your question this one coming in from Matteo Trujillo says can you give specific number for how far the sun is from the earth and how do you prove that please be specific that's me not everybody at once go ahead they don't say could you repeat the question and snake you're muted so you say Matteo says can you give a specific number for how far the sun is from the earth and how do you prove that please be specific well it's something like 81 million miles I don't know that wasn't my point in the debate I don't care how far the sun is I just care about gravity the sun's 93 million miles away on your model just so you know and actually the way they figured that out is by assuming the size of Venus and looking at it and then assuming the chemical composition of Venus and then I looked at the sun and compared to the size of Venus and assume the chemical composition of the sun and so it's all based on hypothetical booga booga nonsense assumptions so just that's how they did it so you know snake yeah there's there's like angular size and stuff like that I would trust the experts not Nathan Thompson sorry well if Nathan's claiming you trust the expert if Nathan's claiming that we're citing the experts Nathan what where's the citation for that explanation you just gave like what what references do you have that's how they figured out the alleged distance to the sun I was just letting you know it's 93 million miles now what snake said and then I told you how they figured it out I don't have a freaking belief system around the distance the sun I don't care how far away the sun is it's allegedly in the Goldilocks zone which is interesting because I think dome is gold it's got crazy electromagnetic properties doesn't age SpongeBob lives in a pineapple and you see the most famous dome in the world is gold it's got a magnetic permeability so it says in scripture the streets are paved with gold and if heaven's above the earth then so yeah Goldilocks so that this one I got for you coming in from the sun sunflower says J.M. are you well he's gone and says said are you currently under conservatorship and then K.O.44 said follow-up question to J.M. they said Maxwell's demon is one of the first things you learn why when learning about the second law of thermodynamics unfortunately he's not here to respond but he is linked in the description as well as all the guests I am going to be back in just a moment with I think we had a last-minute question oh we actually got that one so I think we're good but I'm going to be back with updates on this upcoming conference folks I do appreciate all of you hanging out with us and want to say thanks to our speakers it has been a wild one tonight no doubt about it and so stick around folks as I'll have updates about this conference this weekend in Dallas, Texas we'd love to see you there in person it's going to be amazing so want to say one last thank you though Nathan as well as Benjamin and Snake was right and J.M. Truth who is not with us but want to say thank you all it's been a true pleasure thank you guys thanks for having us J.M. thank you so much thanks so much my wife doesn't like debates but she stayed up and was watching so I just want to say a lot of you thanks for the support that's awesome well I appreciate you guys thank you so much yeah it was nice working with both of you guys too good that I will be and J.M. and J.M. as well you bet and with that I will be back in just a moment folks thanks so much thanks so much and I will be back in just a moment ladies and gentlemen absolutely thrilled to have you here and really do appreciate you guys being with us thank you so much and it has been a true pleasure want to say hi to you there in the old chat Caleb Dawkins thanks for being with us Steven Cook glad you were here Pair D.Bear and Eric McCall thanks for being with us Michael Lyon glad you're here as well as Ree Webster now I've got to tell you guys we're absolutely thrilled for this upcoming conference you don't want to miss it it's January 15th and 16th in Dallas so it's this weekend you guys we would love to get to meet you in person if you live in the Dallas area it is going to be amazing so let me just tell you some of the info about it because I know you're all very busy I'm going to try to jump into this as soon as possible first you might be wondering what exactly is this conference that you're talking about well it's called debate con and the reason is you guys I'm absolutely pumped for this conference as you can see on screen that is what I'm talking about debate con we are using indiegogo as our fundraiser platform kind of like go fund me to help make this event happen as we are going to host in person debates this coming weekend it is going to be phenomenal and we are absolutely pumped so I want to say my dear friends this is going to be spectacular I am so excited and I've got to tell you a couple of things about this because you might be wondering well what exactly is debate con like James tell me more I'm a little bit confused and I've got to tell you it is going to be amazing because these conferences or I should say these debates that I'm going to show you on screen right now are the debates that we're going to be hosting the top row are all of the debates we're hosting during the religion debates day that's this Saturday and that is including juicy controversial topics like whether or not liberalism is obligated to dominate muslim nations that is going to be a juicy one between destiny and between Daniel that is going to be a monster one and it's the main event for a religion debates day as well as on the far left you can see in that top row David Wood and Kenny Bomer Christian versus Muslim on whether or not Muhammad's marriage to Aisha was immoral so that is going to be a juicy one in other words it's roughly speaking debating whether or not Muhammad was a petto so it is going to be very controversial and my dear friends if you want to watch these in addition to coming live to Dallas, Texas where we'll be having that event you can watch from home because maybe you're like well I'm not in Dallas I'm not anywhere near it here's how you can watch from home as I had mentioned we're absolutely pumped that we were using this kind of crowd fund kind of like GoFundMe Indiegogo is what it's called and you can see their logo at the bottom of the screen there and basically if you just throw into the crowd fund so for example I'll show you the perk level that if you throw in just for nine bucks you get to watch all of the live debates that are going to be shown to the public for just throwing in at nine dollars for the crowd fund which is linked in the description and I will throw that into the live chat as well and I gotta tell you that crowd fund we only have two more days for it expires Thursday night you guys you don't want to miss this it's going to be phenomenal so some of our most juicy debates during the conference are ones that you either have to throw into the crowd fund at this amount as you can see right here on screen watch all the debates live for not even 10 bucks piece of cake but not only that absolutely pumped my dear friends this is going to be spectacular you can do it several ways one you can throw into the crowd fund two if you are a channel member or patreon supporter both of those mean that you already get to view it you don't even have to throw into the crowd fund so if you want to become a patreon supporter or a channel member now is a great time to do it as it helps us put on these events it is going to be amazing so in addition though you might be wondering like well I don't know James like is it that easy to like go into this indiegogo thing and make a donation for this event that you guys are doing in person it is actually so for example if you look on screen right now indiegogo is on screen and it shows you just one way that you can do this speedy sign in quick sign in using your Facebook for example absolutely convenient super easy and super quick and you guys I am absolutely pumped for it because we've done this before in the past we have had successful crowd funds you guys I am absolutely thrilled about this you guys it is seriously it's going to be a blast here are some of the ones that we have done in the actual past because you might be wondering you're like I like what have you done in the past this is one that we did over the summer it was fantastic but not only that we are absolutely pumped that we did this one about a year ago and that's on screen right now I am absolutely pumped we have had those successful crowd funds to make those events happen and we are going to make this huge conference happen as well so I really do encourage you join us as we pursue the vision of providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field and so if you look at the screen on the far right that is the fundraising meter we have already raised over two thousand dollars and you might be wondering James I what do you need that for though I don't understand I mean do the hotels just let you do this for free not exactly that blue chunk on the far right side of the pie graph there is actually the chunk for the venue cost so it is kind of pricey that's something that I've got to tell you it is something that is like yeah it does cost some cash but nonetheless we are selling tickets as well as doing this crowd fund to raise funds for this event and so I am absolutely pumped you guys the bottom piece the orange piece there is for speaker hotel rooms as we are hosting the speakers and not only that but on the far left side you see that gray chunk there that is for the flights for speakers and this again if you were like kind of like well I don't know maybe I mean sounds like it's an all right idea that meter on the right side there shows we only have two more days left so this crowd fund wraps up on Thursday night and after that you will be able to jump in anymore and so I do want to encourage you throw into the crowd fund now as that's linked in the description and again I will throw that into the old live chat as well so that it's convenient and help us pursue the vision of providing a neutral platform so that everybody can make their case on a level playing field we really do appreciate your guys' support and so I want to say thank you guys for all of your support I want to say hi to you there in the old live chat heat shield good to see you rewebster glad you're here fake lobe glad you were with us Corey Clark and nugget man thanks for coming by digba Dave glad you were with us and Eureka acaru pumped you were with us Mr. Anderson glad you were here as well as Citizen 9 and proper FPV glad to see you Displaced Gamer says is there a replay or rewind oh yeah so if you don't see the debates live we will release them on the channel eventually but it's not going to be right away as 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just haven't been as sharp as usual and I don't know what it is but I do want to say thanks for all of your guys' support I love you guys I hope you have a great rest of your night I got to wrap up because I've just got to take care of some things but I do want to say thanks for all of your support you guys and in those good days and those bad days we were in it together and so thank you guys I do appreciate you guys you guys mean more than you know and so for real I really do hope you guys have a good night I do want to say before I do say goodbye because I just like getting to chat with you is thanks for being with us let's see here in the old live chat Emperor of Cats good to see you says hey goodbye goodbye friend take care and Michael Meyer good to see you and thank you so much for said I was able to pitch in but I will likely miss them and need to watch the replay myself thanks for your support Michael seriously we appreciate that and Brooke Chavis thanks for your support says 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