 Coming up on DTNS the US accuses Huawei of racketeering. That's same thing. They charged Al Capone with 3d printing in tens of seconds This stuff is interesting and Justin's got a new tech election puzzler for us This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday, February 13th, 2020 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and back at studio Redwood I'm Sarah Lane from the shores of Lake Merritt. I'm Justin Robert Young and I'm the shows producer Roger Chang we were just talking about the weird problems that Sarah Lane's been having with her magic keyboard connectivity, but also Why Justin Robert Young had been training all his life to dress up as a charmender at the 2016 Republican National Convention? That's all part of good day internet become a member at patreon.com slash DTNS Let's start with a few tech things you should know a Judge has ordered a temporary block on the $10 billion joint enterprise defense infrastructure or Jedi Pentagon cloud contract Which was awarded to Microsoft back in October now last month Amazon filed a motion asking the court to pause Microsoft's work claiming the Evaluation process contained unmistakable bias and has since asked the court for permission to depose the US President Donald Trump Defense Secretary Mark Esper and former Defense Secretary James Mattis. So certain were they? Mmm Foxconn told the Taipei Stock Exchange that reports by Reuters that it would be back to 80% capacity in mainland China by March We're not factual meanwhile Nikkei Asian reviews a source said that it will take one to two months for Foxconn to resume Manufacturing in a related note Apple will reopen five stores in Beijing Friday, February 14th with reduced hours Apple stores in Shanghai and Shenzhen remain shut Wi-Fi 6e is the name for 802 11 a x operation in the six gigahertz band That gives you more than two gigabits per second speeds Thursday broadcom announced the BCM 4389 client Wi-Fi 6e chipset available for next-generation smartphones lower power consumption Multiradio Bluetooth 5.0 support to improve audio performance and range So to sum up look for smartphones later this year with Broadcom chipsets that offer faster Wi-Fi and better Bluetooth And also look for Qualcomm to release its Wi-Fi 6e chipsets pretty soon US Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is the latest US legislator to propose a national law on digital privacy Her bill proposes a new federal agency to enforce consumer privacy rights online It would not preempt state laws meaning that it would not create national standards for privacy in the US It's similar to proposals from US representatives Anna Ashu and Zoe Lofgren as well as well as from US Senator Maria Cantwell a Bipartisan proposal from representatives Jan Chukowski and Kathy McMorris Rogers don't include state preemption And uber is testing an option to let you book a ride by phone in Arizona by dialing 1-833 use uber I want to see a TV commercial for this right now It's meant for people who you know not comfortable with smartphones Maybe they're older operator gives them a price estimate and order a car based on their details And then text them information about the car and driver So person calling does have to have text messaging uber stores your payment data the same way it would through the app All right, let's talk a little bit about another Senate proposal. What's this one about Justin? Well, Tom US senators Cory Booker and Jeff Merkley Proposed the ethical use of artificial intelligence Act Wednesday that would stop the use of facial recognition without a warrant By federal agencies government employees and law enforcement until a 13 member Congressional commission can recommend guidelines and place limits on the use of the technology Yeah, this is This is something that shouldn't surprise people with all the furor over facial recognition But even if it is a political play It does seem to me to be a fairly reasonable Writing of it saying, you know what? Let's just put a pause on federal use until we figure this out Let's set up a commission We'll have different people be able to nominate people for the congressional commission So we try to get a lot of different viewpoints on this and then and figure out what the rules of the road should be One of the things people are taking issue with is they did carve out an exception in this proposal For use of facial recognition with a warrant They're saying if you have a warrant to use facial recognition then you can so that cuts out on it being used for for leads Unless you're really serious. You have to go to a judge and get a warrant some people say yeah But it's still not good enough even for that depends on where you said Yeah, obviously there is a lot of discussion and I'm glad that this is happening out in the open So as much as my knee jerk reaction to something like this is to say wait a minute some things in the news Please do not stand between this story and senators who want airtime as they will trample you but I do think that there is a a good public conversation that needs to be had about this and even if it's Ultimately ineffectual at least it is something that we're bringing up here and folks who are listening can talk to with their friends and family Yeah, and I guess the question at this point is I mean, where does it go? It doesn't sound it sounds as you said Tom Fairly measured, you know, no no huge red flags, but does it go anywhere? Yeah, it does the what does the commission come up with? You know does that proposal go forward a part of the reason you put a pause on it though Is there will be pressure from law enforcement and other agencies to want to use it? So that'll keep it going forward what they decide if this bill even gets approved, which it may not is a whole different thing Well as we reported on Wednesday show mobile World Congress was canceled because the GSMA Founded impossible to put the show on despite health officials not requiring to actually be canceled Most big names had pulled out already leaving smaller companies without anything for the money that they spent in preparation And without the chance to make contacts and build awareness for their products That's why a lot of people go to trade shows in addition Many companies are facing other problems related to the Chinese corona virus which has shut down factories in China meaning parts for their Products are also delayed firms of all sizes are looking for alternate ways to make announcements and build Relationships including more smaller trips and meetings and independent press conferences Now I guess the question is now even though the GSMA says it will hold the show next year Will some companies figure hmm? We got through it. Okay. Maybe we don't need to go Yeah, that's the dangerous thing right is a lot of people think they have to go to something until they don't go And then realize wait a minute. Yeah that happened. I Mean as a CES veteran, I've never been to WMC, but I can tell you I mean a lot of work does not get done it at various trade shows I'm gonna go ahead and guess that a lot of trade shows are that way I mean schmoozing isn't always just a waste of time there There is a lot of business being done, but I bet a lot of companies who think we have to be there Will figure huh well our alternate Solutions ended up being more fruitful for us in the end. Yeah I don't think that the issue is necessarily them not going but them Spending the kind of money that they would normally do to be the big fish at a conference like that Does potentially take a hit when you go without it and everything's kind of the same because I do agree with Sarah that a lot of what you get out of here is just having all the players in one space Where you know you can trade information build relationships or make deals But maybe buying that gigantic booth Different story. Maybe taking everybody out for those A big expensive Curated experiences Maybe not so necessary. Yeah, and it's also hard on the smaller companies With a lot of the big companies pulling out before they even cancelled it It was going to be more difficult for these smaller companies who were still going to go to to find The kind of eyeballs and ears that they would want But if they could get it from the press so if they could make some deals with other small companies, it could have been worthwhile And now they're going to have to figure out. Okay. Can we just spend a lot more money? Probably flying around to meetings in europe and north america and china To to get our message out there and take meetings It doesn't have the efficiency of just walking around in a conference and being able to meet up with people That maybe you wouldn't even met otherwise and and striking deals that that's what the Value of a conference is is those serendipitous things and you can't really replace those Whether it's worth that time and expense though We will now have an ab test for attendees of mobile world congress to figure that out The u.s. Filed a superseding indictment against huawei and its cfo mung wang zhu Mung wang zhu of course is in vancouver under house arrest While she awaits an extradition decision by the canadian courts But this supersedes previous indictments. It charges huawei Multiple versions of huawei's business and mung wang zhu with conspiring to violate the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act the riko act And conspiring to steal trade secrets It also contains new allegations regarding violations of sanctions against north korean and iran Those were some of the original indictments against mung wang zhu among the allegations are using confidentiality agreements with u.s Companies to obtain things like router source code in other words you strike a deal say yes We'll keep this confidential you look at the router source code and then you misappropriate that And put it in your own property without permission uh The indictment lists other concrete examples like Distributing confidential slide decks to the engineers you meet with a company under a confidentiality agreement in nda You're not supposed to take that slide deck and pass it around the rest of the company huawei is accused of doing that Uh, there's another example of someone at a trade show in chicago with a badge that spelled huawei backwards as their name Being caught after hours opening up routers from the competition and taking pictures of the interior Other in charges involve just lying to federal investigators Hiding employment status saying no we're not employees of huawei when they actually are I mean this has to go to trial. These are accusations. They haven't been proved But this is a different kettle of fish than the back door accusations because we can see exactly what they're accusing We can see evidence and it's going to be going to court There's enough here to make me think like this is just an actual case that the u.s wants to file because they've discovered wrong Doing but just and there is also a political aspect to this with the china trade deals going on Uh, without a doubt and and real quick just so everybody understands when you hear the term riko if it sounds familiar It's because this is the tool that law enforcement often uses for organized crime So drug dealers or mafioso. You don't if you can't catch them on the dealing you catch them on the racketeering Well, yeah And because you can you can prove by way of actions that spider outside of the actual person that you are looking to Bring charges against you can use those other crimes to charge the central person But you're right tom. This is obviously in The large very complicated very personal at times negotiation of this trade deal We already have a phase one that is done between the chinese government and the united states government But phase two which is often thought to be the far more trickier one Involves at the top line trade secrets which china has been accused by many many companies Of violating largely because america goes to china to manufacture so many products But this is something that is even beyond that they are not alleging that Huawei was taking advantage of chinese side manufacturing They are saying that even beyond that these were crimes that were being committed on american soil That that they are coming back against them for And we're not going to see Except for mungwang ju maybe if canada agrees to extradite We're not going to see most of allways officials brought into the us for this What i'm curious about is whether this can or will be used In the negotiations if they end up dropping these charges in exchange for a trade deal Or if this is just a solid enough thing to say look we're going to prosecute this no matter what You want to stop doing this in the future if you want to get a trade deal from yeah I think part of me says this is them saying look we're going to start enforcing the rules And so we can create new rules going forward. So this is Easier and maybe we can have a an intermediary phase where we believe these things are happening And you're going to have to actually respond to us or This is going to be the thing that happens But we're not i mean who knows whether or not they wipe away this sin When they start creating a new a new set of rules something we'll definitely want to keep an eye on You know tom last week we talked about the jalopnik report that a man named alec brought Bought a used tesla that he thought had enhanced autopilot and full self-driving features Only to find out that tesla removed those features during an audit that showed he had not paid for the package Which of course he hadn't the original owner had that led to questions about whether tesla was trying Was tying packages to the original owner Well monday alec posted on tesla motor club dot com That everything is back to normal He has also offered to act as a go-between with tesla's experience team For others who might have the same issue tesla does these audits in order to correct for people Who have been given the package without paying by mistake which has happened or who modified To get the package without paying which has also happened tesla has not made a public statement on the issue or clarified its policy on the transfer of packages Inused cars when i saw the headline that he got his autopilot back i'm like oh, thank goodness tesla is admitting this was a mistake and they're giving it back to him Once i read in that it was just alec saying hey, i got it back I have the secret phone number if anybody wants it and tesla is not saying anything in public I got less happy about the outcome of this because I still believe what happened is tesla is trying to stop Mistakes that they have made and malicious actors who are modifying without permission from getting these packages And aren't accounting for the fact that used car sales happen because they haven't happened historically a lot with tesla And they just caught caught out on this why they're not coming out and saying that Is evidence of disorganization i think yeah, i mean the tesla already got their money from the original owner So i don't i can't see a scenario where the company says nah it's just gonna have to be original owner and If you pay for something that you didn't pay a little extra for the package Even though we already got the money we want it twice and you won't get it otherwise and we'll take it out of your car that would be like You know if a company said sarah can't have air conditioning because she didn't get like The cool package because you bought a used car because i bought a used car I mean i i know that you know software is not the same as you know an ac unit, but it's the same idea I think tesla is probably they're trying to figure out. Okay. How do we continue to make sure that We're not giving people software packages that they didn't pay for and continue to deal with the fact that people You know play around with systems to try to get stuff for free You're not going to be able to have much control over that used car market. You got your money Well, i mean the the one thing that they do need to clarify on this is that The the price of that car is going to be determined by the features And so if they are going to say no no no We are doing this as a service and you pay for it each time that there is a new owner Then that car is going to sell for different as a used car than it would be without it So there is a value for tesla at a certain point if they do want to go to a No, every new user has to pay the pay the toll on this They they need to clarify it going forward But this to me says without saying that no once it's turned on It's turned on sell your used car for more because of it. I'm imagining a pr manager Talking to someone saying okay, but what's our policy? What can I tell people when I and they're like you can't tell them anything We don't have a policy. We really should create one Meeting at 4 p.m. Everybody. Yeah Scientists at switzerland's e fpl have developed a 3d printer That can build an entire object at once in seconds rather than building it layer by layer Which obviously takes a lot longer than that the printer shines a laser on a liquid photosensitive photo sensitive resin Either biofuel or liquid plastic bio gel. Sorry. That's my fault bio gel I guess gel and fuel. No, I guess not from multiple angles And then an algorithm guides the laser to create a precise version of a 3d model It can make two centimeter structures at 80 micrometer precision right now The team thinks it's capable of up to 15 centimeters printing can be done inside sealed sterile containers as well Which is useful for medical applications and the like a company called readily 3d has also been created to market the system This is pretty impressive. I mean, this is peer reviewed in nature. Uh, it's it's got a company They're gonna bring this to market. It's very small. Uh, I get it, uh, two centimeters You're you're not making all you know, uh, any Lego toys for your kids, uh with this but, uh Heart heart valve maybe especially if they get it up to 15 centimeters I mean it's impressive how fast this stuff prints in this machine because it's just Shooting into a liquid and creating the solid object. It's almost like a replicator, right? Except the liquid the material is already there. It's not appearing out of anywhere Yeah, when you uh, when when you kind of hear about this you go, okay 3d printing is getting faster when you watch a video of how it works. You're like, wow That's it's it feels like something is materializing out of thin air Yeah, because it's it's the advancements in ai because the algorithm can be You know, uh, can direct the lasers to exactly the right places so that it will in fact Uh, create the solid objects at exactly the right places So it's much more precise can be used for interior decorating They think because you don't have to finish the item they come out polished Uh, because you just make it perfect from the beginning. I think this is a pretty big advance So it'll be interesting to see where it goes. I know a lot of people in the 3d printing space Will you know be annoyed with the fact that I'm like whatever happened at 3d printing and it was going to be It was going to change everybody's lives and I know that it is extremely helpful for lots of things If you need to make something but this seems like okay now we're really getting somewhere because it's almost instantaneous To get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com In light of the failure of the app used in the iowa caucus earlier this month in the united states, nevada reportedly decided not to use that same app But instead they're using a tool It's not an app. They say at least sources say they say Uh, it's a pre-installed tool on an ipad. That's not connected to the internet Which I would also call an app just one that's not connected to the internet Or the one made by shadow for the iowa caucus, but there is in fact a difference Uh, the iowa app was meant to transmit the vote and delegate counts to the state That's why it was internet connected this nevada ipad tool The volunteers are describing to various outlets seems to be for use only in the room To calculate the numbers because calculating the numbers and collating all those numbers during the caucus is complex Uh, so it's essentially if I get this right, justin. It's a glorified calculator Yes, and here is one of the differences between Uh, nevada and iowa nevada will begin early voting within the next few days That means that at preset locations you can go and caucus Uh, of about a week ahead of time. So at those precincts Those calculators will be pre-loaded theoretically With the early voting that would result in that would have gone at that precinct This is like telling your dungeon master, uh, hear all the things to do, uh during the game I won't be there right because a caucus we we think of is like you go to that corner of the room if you support that candidate And and what's happening in the early voting if I have it right justin is you basically put down your choices in order Like I'm for this person, but if they don't survive the first round then go to this person But if that one's also not around yet go to this person, etc exactly so Think of it because we are in vegas The mecca of gambling that the pre-vote will be kind of like a point spread The way that you would bet and the way that if you see the miami dolphins against the dallas cowboys The miami dolphins minus seven that would be let's say bernie sanders He will be minus seven because elizabeth warren has gotten seven votes if that makes any sense sure The the the what I want to ask everybody here Is that let's imagine that we do live in 2020 and you do want to modernize and make the process of the caucus Faster and cleaner and so you do want to implement some kind of technology to make it easier for everybody But you don't want to go full iowa and have a total app meltdown disaster By the way an app that was initially bought by nevada for this caucus and apparently nevada loved it so much They recommended it to iowa I than the one that had the exploding cigar So now nevada has dropped it and has this new tool but How do you handle it? Yeah, I mean because the tricky part is you've got some complex math going on You don't want I mean it's if you're like just do it on paper doing it on paper would be Absolutely more complex than using a computer. We have computers. We're not talking about using the internet here I think it would be silly not to use a computer somehow to do this because you're going to have All these people who voted early and their ranked choices that you need to take into account In addition to the people standing in the caucus, right? And so if I have I don't know an excel spreadsheet That has all the early voting data in it and I can just go in and fill in a form that says, okay For the first round in the room add this many for this candidate this many for that candidate and then it calculates it Uh, that's great. Sounds like that's the idea for this ipad tool. Yeah, that isn't an app But I don't know why you had to create something from scratch There's so many tools that would do this and if you're going to be offline anyway Then it's just a matter of you know double checking to make sure that the data entry is correct And that your people are trained on the tool and you're already having to do that with the ipad tool So why not use something that's proven? I don't know like freaking microsoft excel now The one thing that we I can tell you is that we don't know whether or not it is excel Maybe it is right. No idea exactly what this particular tool is. We just know that it was Uh, precinct captains were trained on it last saturday That apparently was not a seamless process at least according to all reports of those that were there But at the very least there is the there are a few things going for nevada number one A lot fewer people in nevada go to caucuses than they do in iowa and iowa. It is a cultural tradition in nevada They've only been doing it since 2008 number two It happens a lot earlier check in for caucusing is at 10 a.m And the caucus happens at noon now it happens on a weekend So you're able to get out a little bit earlier It's not like people will be leaving work unless obviously they have a tremendous service economy that works on the weekends They're expecting weight popular city, right? But even then the casinos are holding their own people are going to be allowed to leave their ships So everybody of you are going to be in vegas that weekend. Make sure you get at least two drinks at 11 55 That's that's fantastic. Um, and and we will of course, uh, wait to hear How this app does But if you have a suggestion you're like, this is what they should do email us feedback at daily tech news show dot com Hey, thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddit Also a good way to give us some feedback by submitting stories and voting on others at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com And also joining in the conversation in our discord You can join by linking to a patreon account at patreon dot com slash d d n s Uh, actually hold on breaking news literally breaking as we uh, are recording this The democrats of nevada have released their full details of the caucus day process And we'll be using a google forms based calculator via web browser on a party purchase ipad to transmit early We'll also be called in but this does contradict some of the the early reporting saying that This was not internet enabled. Yeah, that google forms has to be internet enabled. Yeah, I mean it has an offline version This will be transmitted via via internet, but I mean cheese louise Thankfully they are using something that works at that at a massive scale For which the nevada caucus will be but a hiccup On on election day Bless you nevada democratic party Chris christensen the amateur traveler is back with us today with a timely tip for upcoming travelers This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute as we think about the Trips that are getting canceled and the conferences that are getting canceled here because of the fear of the coronavirus It is useful to remind people that this might be a good time to get travel insurance, especially trip interruption insurance or trip cancellation insurance But also from a tech point of view if you do get travel insurance from one of the leading travel companies Most of those companies also have an app and it'd be good to have that with you On your trip and that can help you access information about your insurance But it also can in some cases Help you reach someone to deal with things like hey I'm trapped on a cruise ship because they won't let us off at a port Which is what some people are going through right now and see if you can make other travel plans So get travel insurance get the app. I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler Ah timely timely advice. Thank you chris. Let's check out the mailbag Andrew wrote in and said regarding our story on the remote speaker from sony yesterday You know the one that lets you go into the next room and be able to take a speaker with you and not miss the big game Andrew says when I'm in the kitchen and I want to hear the tv in another room I leave my phone in the lounge room and use live listen with my air pods Ah smart live listen is the one that lets you hear through your device's mic It's an accessibility feature It's usually meant to be used by someone who's maybe a little hard of hearing or they're in a loud room I want to just be able to pick out voices better What a what a cool Yeah, nice And then in the discord right before the show ditch doctor Wrote in regards to dts 37 17 about gift card fraud I am an independent it consultant and have a few large churches as clients probably two to three times a week We get emails sent to staff from gmail accounts like pastor two three four at gmail.com I've had two people buy the gift cards the pastor asked for but in both cases They walked into the actual pastor's office instead of sending the codes to the criminals So the criminals didn't get the gift cards I worked with the fbi on a couple of larger cases and found out how the criminals redeemed the codes They sell them at a discount turning them into cash So, uh, that's what I said yesterday when you're buying those discount gift cards online Be careful. 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