 Welkom back, this is still why in the morning and to me fika that segment where we're talking about ladies and what ladies can do and what they can't do. So the question to Mekulisa on our show media handles ni, si madempia wa pate uhuru wa kuchagua na kupropoze, ama mnuna naji. So you're telling us if ladies can also propose the hashtag to use the WCW at Y254 channel across all social media handles, my personal handle is at Stephanie and I've joined by two lovely ladies. Please start introducing for my immediate right. Okay, Y254 in the morning, my name is Daisy Wanjiko, for my women representative KCA University, but currently I'm a finance manager at Axtile Limited. Amazing, and Avial, your name is quite interesting. Good morning, my name is Avian Ryak, I'm a journalism student at the University of Nairobi. I also model part-time here, that's all basically. You're a model and you're a journalist. Okay, Satwa, we start this conversation. What do you think about ladies proposing? Okay, according to me personally, I think it's not right. Many people are saying that the world is changing, many things are changing, so we have to adapt to them. But according to me, I don't feel like it's appropriate for a lady to propose to a man. Yeah, personally, I can't do this. Why? Why? Why is it not appropriate? Umadiko, is it set in stone mahali? Why? You know, when a man comes and proposes to you and when you go and propose to him, it's very different because when he comes to propose to you, it means that he's ready that he's something he's been wanting, you see. But maybe when you go to propose to him, maybe he was not prepared, maybe it's like you're forcing and the respect that he will have for you won't be the same as compared to when he came to propose to you, see. But I'm thinking before we go to Daisy, the dynamics, is it not the same because a man when he proposes to you, maybe you're not ready? Is it not the same thing that might happen? You're proposing to a man, maybe he's not ready, maybe he is. It happens, maybe a man can propose to a lady and the lady is not ready. You see, yes, someone has the liberty to say no. But you know the moment you go to propose to a man, like me, for example, I go to propose to a man, then he tells me no. You think I'll ever do that again, you see. I don't think this is the proof. I can't. Okay, he tells Daisy, would you propose to a man? Is it okay for a lady to propose to a man? Well, personally, I think it depends on the time and duration when you're supposed to propose because you can't date a man for like five years and that man maybe has never proposed to you. So you should pop the question up. Yes, it's a question time. So you can't date a man, you can't propose to a woman. So to me, I don't find it as a big deal per se because I find it also someone who is sober with the relationship if you've dated for a very long time. I think you should pop that question because at times you may find your partner delaying and stuff. So you can just ask. So now, the reason why she wouldn't propose is if she gets rejected by a man, she will propose and then she will say I'm not really. She will say no, it's not you. So what would happen? Okay, to me rejection is not something that you should take in a negative way because in life you'll face the rejection part of it. So it's how you perceive life. I don't find rejection is a negative thing because maybe in the first place he was not supposed to be the one. So how you take it, it's the issue there. So the sooner you ask, the better you get to move on with life. Okay, I'm loving this. Let's see what guys on social media are saying. So the hashtag to use is WCW on Y254 channel and this is what people on Facebook are saying. Filius Kennedy, innaweza. MC Grand, onamia na sama. Admin na kwa na batiko, fine, happy Madarakade. Thanks for tuning in. Elianto Kee, na sama, sounds like a plan. Happy Madarakade to all fans. And these are all guys speaking. So guys, we are going to start now. Ladies proposing. Elvinso, Provinso has some more sounds. Ya, inka yuko shuwa bado. Keep the comments coming in. The hashtag is WCW. So now, back to you, Avin. So mibudu ni kwa kwa historia. Aki kata, aki kukata, aki kwa reject. But is it not the same? Because ladies also rejects men wakiku proposia. Is it not the same effect? Manoma na huwa nga naio. Nya wu ta kwa naio kirijectiwa? Okay, my colleague has said something very interesting that rejection is part of life. Yes, it's part of life, but you find this man, you think he's the one, you go and propose to him, he rejects you, you go to another. You won't continue like that. When he will propose, he rejects you. But sometimes men waste people's time. Somebody can date you for a very long time and he won't do anything. But it's not upon you. When you see somebody is wasting your time and he won't propose any time soon, it's better for you wu jitoi than you wait for him. You wait for him, maybe he'll propose and maybe he won't. As compared to you go there, you start telling him you marry me. It doesn't seem right even. It doesn't seem right. Men are seen to be traditionally the hunters. They were meant for this work. And I went and put it. I built for it. You get it from me as a lady. So men are built to be hunters naturally. What do you think of this? Okay. Hunters in terms of... The ones pursuing a lady. The ones who are supposed to make that step. Okay. From where we are right now, I believe women empowerment has done a lot in the country. So that purposely has really done a lot of work, especially for women. So boy child, if you look at most of the men right now you can find so many women are very aggressive. So by the time this man is supposed to even propose to this woman, you can imagine the persuasion, the class, I don't know what. So if you see the women they are pursuing and all staff, but for now... Things have changed. But someone might argue, if a lady proposes, probably she is desperate. This lady doesn't propose. She says, I am a woman. I am at that age because people have a perception that ladies but if you are at that age, if you are 13 and you have a boyfriend, there is no sign of you getting married or getting proposed to anytime soon, then that becomes a problem. So when you propose to a man that you are too desperate for me and I feel like maybe let me delay. If we might look for someone else, then we might consider it bad. What do you think about this? Are ladies too desperate when they propose? I don't think a woman can be desperate by just proposing because even in our life atokit after a job, siwomunyondu una uza sirayako. So you should not look it as atiju moname ani moname endana fa propose. As I've said earlier, rejection is part of life and the way the world is changing right now, there is nothing like ati sijuwi ati ya woman should not propose and all that. Another thing, if you concentrate and work on your own self by the time you are at that age, wana umo ata kwa tuwa nakuja ata wemonye uta kuona notice actually you will be done who will be picking them up. So by the time they are rejecting you, we are going to reject this another one on the line. So it's not a matter of them rejecting you, it's a matter of who you are as a person and how you find rejection is part of your life. Okay, but on the line theme rejection is part of life, you move on. You move on. What do you think about this? Are women desperate when they propose now that you are against women proposing? I am very against it, you know. So are they desperate when a woman proposes, you think they are desperate? According to me, I'll give an example. So there's a lady I know so you see most ladies right now due to women empowerment rights. So a lady in her twenties she will try to be financially stable when men come her way she rejects them because she has a goal, you see. So by the time she reaches her 30s no one wants her anymore because some men will consider her maybe too old, you see. So the time she finds someone, someone who's willing to be with her she will pressurize him into marriage and such things, forcing her to propose to the man maybe the man is not decided yet, you see. Yes, I believe that some ladies it is a point they become desperate because nobody wants to reach 40s and he's not married, you see for some ladies because some ladies even don't want to get married but I feel like you shouldn't propose because I do. I'm still against this. You know some people might say it's being traditional, it's being backward. So from what you're saying is that as much as there's women empowerment and want to be dukated and everything we should allow men to be part of that journey so that's to say 30 and then to quote that after we are desperate now looking for men. Okay, so sorry. We take that down. I am back to you Daisy. It's okay to propose, you can propose to a man. Now how do you go about let's start with proposing now just into a relationship before we get into marriage. Can ladies now cut here any kujakamia by the way and I could like and this is different. You also tell us if that is okay. So can you, as opposed to by the way I've been crashing on you so much can we try this out? Can I take you out for coffee? Is that okay? We run for kukatia, now that one is different. It's totally different because proposing I think it's somehow different from kukatia now. Because also in the Bible let me quote even if the Bible mendi kwa men should love women should submit so your work kazi akwa umeni kati asawa you're submitting to the love. So atia yoku kunini kukatia enewe to me I don't find it right. But to propose you can. But it's not a type of proposing I guess it's just that in the early stages you're initiating it but the same when you're still initiating marriage now you're initiating a relationship. Is it not the same thing? I don't find it the same thing. So it's different. It's somehow different, totally different. And what is your thought on this? Umeka tia marriage apana but kuna uchali ame kumali za I've been crashing on you. Okay here I beg to differ with this because you know marriage is complex as compared to like a relationship. So I believe okay I've seen someone I like that person so it's okay to shoot your shots. I love how you chant it. Because now marriage is very complex you see for you to go will you marry me like it's got something ladies do but then like a relationship it's okay I don't say Have you ever approached a man? Have you ever tried it? No No but you're open to that? I'm open to that but as for me personally I can do it just that I just that I'm approachable. But is it not the same thing that you're posing to because how will they see you again? What if he rejects you because he or Mario Khmat they might reject you if you approach them and then he rejects you you approach another he rejects is it not the same for you? Okay it's not the same as compared to marriage because you see when like you're going to propose in marriage right that one like you're going straight forward to the point you know right now ladies can use different tactics it's not that you go to him and like I've seen you I want us to date no we're not too like I don't have any alternative You know maybe some ladies are suffering and they crush you so what are some of them? You know I feel like you should not go like directly to the point that just create a friendship create a bond if things are meant to work out they will work out they were not meant to work out so long shoot your short answer But your friendship is different you can be friends for 5 years but I think we can work we can work this out as a couple so how do I tell you we can date how do I approach it not directly there are many signals like you see for example you send someone a song there's that kind of message you see as compared to me you know like going to someone and they tell him can we date you see it's hard not every lady can do that but I don't think it's bad I totally agree with that but for marriage okay what do you do if I know you're not for it but what are some of the ways for the ladies that are for it that they can approach a man in an indirect way to tell them let's try let's try dating this is not in marriages how do you do I'm so ma song however you do I think my actions my actions will tell that I want this guy how when a lady is a complicated so at a figure they take long to now that's maybe what I can do maybe I can take him for a date so will you ask him but should they ask him no I'm putting myself in her shoes maybe I can take him on a date and maybe I can ask him 1,2,3 and then I can take him on a date and then I can take him on a date okay okay and now to proposing for marriage this one you are for how would you propose to a man because to najwa the normal way for men to propose to a lady they go down on one knee they pop a question how would you go about proposing to a man now that one that one for kneeling that one can be a little bit hard for me for proposing now you know proposing is large so you can also yourself kama dem when you are in that relationship you can try like you can try like you can try like you can try like you can try like you can try like you can kneel down on his knees his own will be doing it so that's basically pushing him in the right direction that's not coming straight to propose to him but would you propose to him directly any one umstu at will a surprise the way atakwa mbi atina kupaga kwa propose next month he'll organize with your friends surprise you take you somewhere maybe you know there are different ways a romantic ways would you go for the romantic one for kneeling maybe I can try you know love can be funny maybe I can try you can try going down on one knee I know you know for this but put yourself in her shoes how would you how would a lady propose to a man you know as she was talking I mean imagining her kneeling proposing to a man I I'm a picture high kujii atwa I kujii atwa I don't know because kwa leg nimi sayi digifiki tia ni me kneel sijin mi kujii sijin ni flowers it's very strange and for the ring mi na joani ladies when I came so how would you the man will you also put the ring on a man you can kneel down then I'm away maybe a surprise engagement unatafta crew they are there eating your dinner then you kneel we are carrying and you propose and you put the ring on simple okay alright let us take a look let us take a look what some people are saying on social media before we continue Y254 channel is the social media handle hachati mne so most guys are for ladies proposing gen wajremu lakia na sama please stop encouraging laziness among men ya ni kwa ken ya ni laziness supposed to do this work uh slai umaji anasa mani me kuchanguwa admin we are na kuja kupropoziya admin so uh huh vacant soul available okay wengino ana gitu amiji avade door kasmash watching life from fika so basically what I'm seeing is that men are for this they are very open but the ladies are not for it but some ladies are not for it you are representing some she is representing others but na wu nauna na je is it encouraging laziness among men of course because sir in a relationship I feel like demand wana fakuji as compared to the lady when you do everything you want to propose you want to buy flowers you want to buy the ring it's desperation at some point and pure like the man will feel ah if she's doing all these things she can as well propose to me to show you like I love you or the one I want to be with you say so I agree with the person who say that it promotes a lot of laziness among men okay so now let me ask you the question now that you are open to oh no it's actually Daisy who's open kwa you know not approaching a man so in a relationship of the man she will approach you to start dating but now playing hard to get maybe you want this man like ini you're playing hard to get is it a good method that ladies use ama wuna faku submit to automatically now you are talking about submission wuna faku submit to automatically wuna taka wuna mtaka yes but pure ladies wuna faku play hard to get but pure uta hi kuji pata kwa yop position in yotaru this is how we went when zeku playing hard to get it can work well kwa zisa sa lasimam tuwa struggle yaw yop pinch yaku pata uta wuna but the moment aki pata hi kitu rahisi I find wotali ata hi ku respect so it will be more more of you trying to play hard to get playing the 30 days rule oh street no play hard to get and to you what do you think about that okay playing hard to get is okay but don't overdo it because the moment you overdo it maybe you're interested but you want to do it we have to play hard to get so that the man can respect us so you will try to play hard to get but maybe you're not interested in such things he'll move on to someone else so in as much as you play hard to get don't overdo it wuna if you want add him to wana you don't want anything to do with him okay we're getting lindis wana first at this point have you ever been in a point where you're just being friendly naturally you're a friendly person the sign kakwa misread and then you had to turn that down and then now the opposites you're interested in someone but you can't tell it and you know you know something of that sort okay you know some people they usually misinterpret these people who are naturally friendly with everyone so the moment you know would you ever hug everybody like that and say oh maybe I'll cut you indirectly and maybe that's not the case now what do you think about this Tezi maybe it's one of the signals you're putting out but you're just being friendly okay me my personality I'm a very free spirit person and I hang out okay I hang out with a lot of people so I've been in that point many times but again it's how you switch it off then maybe you know maybe I'm reading the wrong way now you divert it somewhere else but won't you be avoiding him to try to change yeah of course like many times especially if you are naturally as a friend when you are in a relationship you are in a relationship you can say ladies are complicated you can't tell signs are there signs that ladies give out as we come to a close in this conversation are there signs that ladies are an opportunity and then you know this one is interested not to say they are the men out here yeah let me tell you one thing a man can never approach a woman because they fear rejection so any time I see a man trying to try out a woman can never be ready because they know who you are I know how many signs do you have? how much? I don't know it's just common sense there are things you can maybe try and entertain this kind is like maybe chatting around 9 almost talking lovely things these are whole lot of signs so you want to say anything on signs before we come to a close signs also when you are texting someone the emojis you are using because there are certain emojis they can't be misinterpreted they have meaning I don't know how to explain them but most of them show the same thing when you send it to someone it has that particular meaning so emojis about pens you want to the text ladies play a lot the hair you say so your last word as we come to a close in the social media handles okay what I can say I think I'll be diverting man I'm speaking to the man in particular if you're not willing to settle down with a lady like you've been with her wasting her time 10 years some people even date you for 10 years it's better to be honest with the person I don't see this thing working out then wasting somebody's time 5 to 10 years up you're not willing to marry them you just want to date them so that when you reach a certain point you go to another woman so it's better to be honest to someone if you reach a point you don't want them any more be honest to them than wasting their time for social media I'm not so active I mostly use WhatsApp it is okay thank you very much Daisy it's to women first of all know your worth know who you are as a person by the time this proposing things comes if you are around 30 years I don't know the age gap you have as a person but by the time you reach age you will grow and you will know what kind of a man you want so by that time even if you propose you already know what kind of a man you want to men was your gope was your gope because that woman is empowered now you cannot propose to that woman for me you can follow me at TaxStyleLimited for Twitter Tax underscore and for Instagram TaxStyle and join us to do Xera and Interior house moldings amazing thank you very much ladies for sharing your insights on this particular topic those have been insights for the perspective of ladies what they think about ladies proposing to men tell us what you think about this at Y254 channel the hashtag to use is WCW my name is Stephanie Ayata we are taking a short break and then we come back with Rob to close this