 at it. Welcome to Dare to Dream. This is Debbie Dashinger. What a pleasure to be here with you again. I'm excited about this show today. We do hear who is here with me and we'll be on just a little bit. And this is something I'm not just dipping my toe into anymore, but I'm more and more fascinated with this conversation. Susan Slaughter is here. And we're going to be talking about how Susan guides people's psychic awareness to communicate with spirits, energetic beings and extraterrestrials, as well as her paranormal investigator work on TV shows such as Ghost Hunters International, The Dark Zone TV, and Paranormal Caught on Camera. This show has been nominated for two People's Choice podcast awards and for a Webby Award. I am listed right now in Welp Magazine as one of the top 20 best podcasts to listen to this year. And recently won the COVR Award for Best Radio and Podcast Show. I thank everybody who tunes in every week so much for being on this journey with me. 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And if you'd like a gift to help you with your visibility, go to Debbie Dashinger dot com slash gift. And I've also got online programs in all of those realms. It's D-E-B-B-I-D-A-C-H-I-N-G-E-R dot com slash gift my present to you. Spiritual messengers must be visible. This is our time we came here for good reason and purpose. So indeed, I've got Susan Slaughter here today, a well known paranormal expert on travel channels, paranormal caught on camera, ghost hunters international in the dark zone, who started investigating professionally when she was 18 years old. And aside from her spiritual endeavors, Susan is known for her roles in multiple horror feature films. Her duality in both acting and the paranormal have launched her amongst the horror elites. In a spiritual sphere, Susan openly identifies as a witch. She uses her Claire empathy Claire sentience and Claire cognizance to help guide her in her rituals, paranormal investigations, seances and message channeling. She speaks on these metaphysical and supernatural subjects at conventions across the nation. You can learn more about her at the dark zone dot TV and the dark zone app. Her Instagram handle is Susan the dragon witch calm. And later, we'll talk about her appearing at the conscious life expo. And I will have those links, all of them in the show notes. And with that, I welcome Susan Slaughter to dare to dream. It's so great to have you here. Hi, Debbie. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to meet you. Me too. Me too. You have wonderful energy and your bio. I got to say fascinating because I too am Claire sentient. I too am Claire cognizant. I have never heard of Claire empathy before. Can you What is empathy is like, you know, when people, I think, like they I mean, it's just like the I guess the formal term of saying you're like an empathetic or empathic person, you know, so I think that's a really important trait. That was actually the first trait that I think I developed from my youth. It was more like an empathic ability to really feel the emotional energy and intelligence and other living things, you know, humans, plants, beings, creatures, animals, things like that. It made me really intuitive to like, people's emotions or even their health, you know, and things like that, whether they were like, you know, dealing with some sort of anxiety or an illness or something like that. Those were the first things I was like intuitive to when I was younger, and that I used very, very keenly on investigations. Because I think it's so important to understand how a person or an person or an animal is feeling, you know, before you interact with them, you know, it kind of gives you a little bit of an insight to like the reaction you're going to get when you, you know, start to interact with that being so that also translated a lot in the paranormal sphere, when you go into a location that has, you know, different types of haunts. Sometimes there's a lot of layer to the haunts, you know, you could have a human haunts like a human soul or spirit or energy that's there, you know, that probably dealt with a lot of trauma in their lives. And so it kind of was really a special ability to understand where that trauma resonated with. And then also when you're dealing with non human energies on a layered haunt, you know, and then you have, you know, what could be big scary creatures that you don't really understand, because they've never been human, they've never been like an entity that you've ever encountered, you know, when you understand their motivations behind who they are and what they're doing there, that's also like very telling. So I think that was like a very important thing to like hone in on was my empathy, my empathic skill. So clear empathy was really important for me, especially, you know, as I have graduated and grown into like interacting with non human energies, you know, it's like when you're in the deep ocean, you see an anglerfish that looks so mean and, you know, big teeth and like crazy light anomalies on their body, you just realize it's just an animal that's evolved to be that way. And that's how it lives in the you know, crushing depths of the ocean. But that doesn't make it evil, you know, and you come across a lot of entities like that when you're on investigations or when you start getting into like psychic realms. So I think the clear, clear empathy is like really, you know, important. It wasn't until I started honing in on my abilities that like, it's almost like one like peeling away the layers of an onion where you start coming into different abilities. And I think they kind of get unlocked, you know, as you start changing the vibration within yourself as you start evolving. So all those other things like clear sentience and clear cognizance and all that stuff, that wasn't something that I was born with. It was something that eventually evolved into that the more that I started practicing with it. Oh, that's fascinating. I I didn't know that you couldn't be born with it. I didn't realize it's something you could hone in yourself. I had it and I didn't know idea what was going on my entire life till somebody stopped me on this show 15 years ago and said, you need to know something and it changed my life. I was so grateful. Yeah. Why does Debbie know it all? Because she's Claire sentient. She's clear cognizant. She knows the answers before you do or the outcome before you do. It's like you have this kind of like psychic foresight, which is like, also that helps me a little bit more in my day to day life, you know, it's definitely, you know, it's it's nice or sometimes like you'll get like a download that you don't understand. Like I have a thought all of a sudden in my head and I don't know where that came from, you know, you realize it's like it's actually you it's it's your your higher self, you know, speaking to you. I mean, we're all like I like so many people in the spiritual community. I mean, I doesn't make me any special where I when I say we're all like one energy experiencing itself like fragmented pieces, you know, and so when you kind of go into the highway of that fragmented, you know, energy to its source, everybody has the ability to share and connect all this information with each other, kind of like the great web that we have today, you know, and now we're connecting and it's no surprise to me that there's something like the web or social media or things like that because I think it's within our nature to be part of this information age that's where we've kind of evolved into, you know, we are a hive mind, you know, in a sense, you know, where we all come from the like originate from this like one source of energy. So it's no surprise to me that people, you know, develop technology to something that we're so, you know, that we have a deep understanding to which is like connection to each other. And that we would absolutely need at this time. Absolutely. You cannot tell me about the evolution of like humanity and mankind. I mean, you see like what is the web now, but nothing, nothing but, you know, monumental opinions on like major, major issues, and it's good that now we have this connectivity where we can kind of exchange all of these thoughts and start to grow and vibrationally speaking and to evolve, you know, and so that's one thing when I see social media and all that stuff, I was like, it's the hive mind in a three-dimensional world now that we're creating devices to do this, you know, and it's just the evolution of who we are, like energetically speaking, you know. The evolution of who we are. You've had an interesting evolution. Your mother was a Catholic, probably still is, your father was a Wiccan, your parents got divorced, your mother got married to another man who was a Buddhist, and so you have this incredible soup of religion and spirituality. What was that like for you to grow up in all these different spiritual perspectives and how did that influence you? I mean, I woke up every day to a statue of like Archangel St. Michael next to my bed, and then I had like, you know, um, like a little uh, I guess little messages from my stepdad which were like, you know, from the life of Siddhartha, and then um, it was my biological father who's, you know, Wiccan. Um, it was him that I also had a K2 meter next to my bed, so I always thought it was really interesting how I'd have this little like, Buddhist prayer next to Archangel St. Michael statue and my K2 meter in case anything weird happened in my room, so that I could like, volitify it. So it was like, all of uh, you know, my mom, the way she reacted to me, like, seeing entities or balls of light or shadow people, she, you know, kind of was the first one, I don't know if she did this to like, settle me down from not being scared where she's like, oh, you know, those are your guardian angels, you know, she wouldn't be like, oh, those are demons, you know, and then I wouldn't be able to sleep in my room at night. So I guess she kind of like, sugar coated it a little bit and like, oh, those could be your guardian angels, and so here's Archangel St. Michael who will protect you if it's not a guardian, and then it was like, oh, you know, it could be, you know, ghosts, you know, or, you know, other energies, and it was just like, I kind of, I wasn't taught to fear these things, I was taught to kind of embrace it and like, kind of protect myself using like, spiritual, uh, like a spiritual, uh, I guess weaponry of like, symbols and things like that, I don't know, but now I don't need so much on like, you know, um, idols and symbols and things like that. Now I just embrace like what these energies are because I so fully believe that we're all connected, even these other types of interdimensional beings, even the big ugly monsters, all of that are like, you know, fractals of ourselves on a grander scale, and so like, I'm like always, you know, trying to understand what these big scary things are, which is what I get a lot of, um, I get a lot of flak on my social media for, because I do kind of convene with some of the darker energies, because I think it's important to do the shadow work, you know, and so, um, you know, a lot of the times these are egregores of like, a mass, you know, um, trauma that is like being put out into the world, and the only way to deal with these negative energy so they don't snowball, you know, is to start healing them, you know, even in their ugliest form, you know, and a lot of it is like, you know, trauma that has, you know, snowballed in this energetic sense, whether, and I've seen it a bunch, you know, like as crazy as it sounds, like, like, you know, um, projected hag energies that have come from even myself, you know, when I'm like doing a lot of shadow work and I'm realizing there's things with me that I need to fix when I start really delving into the dark side of magic, um, that's when I start seeing like, you know, dark aspects of like my feminine energy, like, kind of manifesting in these, oh, that's okay. Let's really make sure we talk about Susan's dark feminine energy, Rollcourt. Oh my gosh, um, so yeah, it's, you know, there's a lot that that is to be unpacked there, but to be honest, like, if it weren't for me starting off as a paranormal investigator, um, and coming into contact with different types of spirits and energy, I wouldn't have been able to identify, um, the difference between, um, a non-human energy or a ghost, something that's, um, a recording within an environment because of a traumatic event or, um, an egregora from like traumas within a place. Can you explain what that is? Because this is, oh, yeah, I may have said that I've put my toe and my foot and most of my body into this fascination curiosity like I'm in, but there's so much I don't know. So what is an egregor? So initially it came from the book of Enoch, which was, um, and then it, it was kind of like some sort of non-human angelic energy, but it has then been, um, kind of deconstructed in use in the spiritual world as some sort of entity or, um, identity of energy that like, um, gets mass produced, you know, from multiple people's emotional projections. A lot of the time the big scary ones come from like group fears. So like, um, let's say super traumatic, something awful happens. I mean like, um, I'll use an example of, uh, I was on an investigation, you know, where, uh, there was a huge femicide like in 1600s of Poland and I was staying femicide being a witch hunt where they just killed 700 women for thinking differently against the church, right? And so imagine women being kept, you know, um, in these horrid conditions knowing that their life's about to end, that mass, um, projectile thought of like trauma, despair, um, violence, all of that, um, you know, there is an energy, an energetic schism that happens within each individual where they put that out into our physical realm. And let's say you have 700 women doing that, you know, fear, anxiety, despair, you know, violence, trauma, and that energy starts to kind of snowball into this mass of, um, trauma and energy that doesn't really take shape or form and it can, don't get me wrong, depending on the person that experiences or comes across that trauma, it can shape shift and, but it's not necessarily a living entity or a ghost per se, it's just, um, it's like, you know, it's a massive energy, it's taken on a life course. A massive energy that can be put out there, that's why people need to be so, so aware when they put massive amounts of trauma into a space because that has the ability to affect, um, a person like me that's like living in this dimensional reality. If I came to a cloud of that energy, um, I will feel, I mean, well, because I'm clear empathetic and like, you know, all that stuff, I could feel all of that trauma in its highest form, but a person who's not aware of their abilities can suddenly like, let's say move into a house that had a lot of emotional trauma and this happens a lot when you move in and out of locations, like, you know, that have seen a lot of different tenants, right? So you have like a new apartment you moved into and yeah, there's all this fresh paint, new flooring, it smells brand new, but that apartment had seen 20 years of, uh, substance addiction, maybe forms of abuse, whether it's physical, emotional, or substance, um, that energy gets trapped in there and, you know, let's say you're not a sensitive person, but then all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, like, you have a hard day, you start turning to the bottle or you start self-medicating and it starts taking over and affecting your physical being because there was an energy within that space of a person that used, you know, substances, you know. Yeah, so you just moved, that makes me curious, Susan, when you moved into this new place you're in now, did you suck out the energy in the house? Did you make sure of it's history? Yeah, I mean, there is, you know, there is a lot, um, that is still in this location, like this new, like, condo that I'm living in right now, um, it's, it feels to me like there was a lot of, there was a heavy energy coming in, I'm not gonna lie, and there's still times where it catches me off guard. I do a lot of sound healing, you know, so I'll use like certain, you know, I find that some of the best way to heal these energies, because one thing I want to point out is like, when you see all these ghost shows or you see all these horror movies, there's always like some sort of exorcism where they could just shoo out an energy or something, it pisses it off to the point where it leaves, that's not how that works, there's, you cannot, you know, destroy energy or shoo it away, you have to like transform it, you know, you have to make it conducive to the energy that you bring, so if I come in at a certain vibration, especially in a place that's been nothing but low vibration, that's going to clash with my energy, it's going to make me feel sick, it's going to make me feel, you know, um, unwell, my thoughts are going to be foggy, you know, because it's going to, what it's going to do is going to try and because I have a higher energy than my surroundings, it's going to try and draw where I'm at, you know, and so in doing so is going to bring my vibe down, which will eventually bring my vibe up, but then I'm going to be not at the vibration I came in to begin with, unless I nurture that, and in which ways I have to do like, I study a lot of, um, I'm a transcendental meditation person, I guess, meditationist, I don't know what I call myself, but I do transcendental meditation, um, and then I do a lot of crystal bowl, like, sounds, you know, um, healing, frequency I think is the most powerful healing, I think so, absolutely, yeah, I mean, sound can resonate through solid matter, it could resonate through yourself, you know, and I do believe there's a sacred geometry to these resonances that are very, very healing, you start tapping into the mathematics of energy, like cymatics and things like that, you start seeing the mapping of these energies, and there are their own little footprints, and that can transcend solid things like this wall, you know, that could transcend my body, that maybe I'm being kind of psychically attacked by this, like, energy, you know, that's bringing me down, it will get all into the cores of myself and my being and my DNA, because it can, it can go through your body, it could go through these solid objects, I think sound is so incredibly important for healing energy, it's not something that you can go in with, like, a prayer book and, like, throw, you know, blessed water, unless you're using like, like, sound and energy, and, you know, and certain that's kind of the idea behind the... Dragonblood, yeah, there's great oils, there's great, there's great incense, there's, there's many tons of ways, yeah, to clear space or bringing somebody on as powerful as sound, I feel. I love that, yeah, I'm with you, and it's so cool as you're talking about this, for 16 years you have investigated this, these supernatural phenomenon all over the world, over 30 countries, which is amazing, so cool that you can travel like that, multiple historical locations, I would like to start with your experiences in ancient Inca, and my... Yeah, territories, can you say, was there anything magnificent, special, spooky that happened while you were in any of those temples? I do feel like I resonate a lot with the forms of magic, that, you know, I mean, a lot of people don't really know this, but I do have lineage from Central America, my mother's from Nicaragua, and so I, I know, like my, then, you know, my father's like German Danish descent, so I have a little bit of like these two different like, like, deep spiritual sides on each, but when I find that I'm like in Central America, specifically like around the, like, Mayan culture, it's something that resonates very deeply with me, I feel moved by it, and I started, I started utilizing a lot of their forms of magic in my ritual because of it, because, I don't know, it's just a calling to me. When I was in Peru, I was in Chavin, Peru, which is, it's not as high as Machu Picchu, I don't think, but there were recent excavations out there where they, what they thought was just a bunch of hills and mountains on the top of a mountain, or actually like temples as far as the eye can see, and I did an investigation on one of these recently excavated temples, and they kind of go underground, and speaking of sound and vibration and resonance, there is this giant stone in one of the temples called, they call the land zone, and it was a carving, almost like a totem, and it wasn't from that area of the world at all, like they're still trying to figure out like where is this giant stone from, this doesn't seem like anything from, you know, the area of the Andes, you know, but here it is in the middle of a temple, and one of the claims was that all the the archaeologists and people that were excavating on the site, whenever they spent too much time around this land zone, or this big stone, they were having visions, hallucinations, feeling sick, and all that stuff, and I was like, that's very interesting. As I had to spend time next to the land zone, I see it was true, and absolutely, the closer I got to that thing, I felt like, there was a resonance that was like, I'm getting like, thinking about it, just getting a little gaggy, because it was like, so like, almost like this super deep infrasound that resonated off of it, like it was, like, something that you could hear. Is this something you could hear? No, it just felt like pulling into your core, like right in your solar plexus, you know what I mean? Just like right there resonating will pull on it, it would, it was making me nauseous, it was making me dizzy, and people that were like, kind of going against what their body were doing, especially people that are like more science-based, that they're like there, like excavating, just trying to like, get their work done, or like local workers, they pushed past the physical essence, like sensations of being around it, and then it started getting in their minds, where they started seeing things, you know, and so they were seeing like, what looked, you know, they were taught, well, one of the, he's not an art, he wasn't an archaeologist, but he was just like a hired hand to help kind of load things in and out for, you know, the professionals, and so he was the one who was like, oh yeah, like, you know, I always work, you know, in uncomfortable situations, so being around there, you know, is like, then it started getting in my head, and then I started, you know, seeing, like, he thought he would see things like, from his family, like his family there, like he would hallucinate that his children were there, where it was almost things that were in your mind, started coming outwards, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's almost like it's projecting whatever it had the ability to do is to project, like, psychically project things within yourself, outwards. He said he thought his dog had followed him to work one day, because his dog was walking around, and it was like his dog wasn't there, like, when there was no way his dog would have been there, or his kids, because he's like, hours upon hours, upon hours away, and it's just kind of like whatever's in his mind was getting projected out into the physical, and he was hallucinating, it was there in the temple with him, which I thought was really interesting, and so whatever this was, you know, in my head, I start thinking, okay, somebody put this in here, because there is a way to harness this energy into a form of magic, like, what is this doing? You know, it's like, like our modern magic, you know, like Neo, which ideas of like, oh, you know, like set up vision boards, you know, and then, you know, kind of put that out there, and, you know, say it, and you know, affirmation and things like that, but here they had something that if you, like, had a way to be around it, it would project out the things from within you in, like, another way shape or form, you know what I mean? Like, it was, it was kind of like a manifestor of what was locked in your mind, and it takes it out. I couldn't spend that much time around the land zone, it was incredibly, incredibly hard for me, physically, to do that. And not only that, I don't know if I, I ended up, like, getting really sick around the, like, my introduction to the land zone, I ended up how to be taking off the case, because, I mean, I've got seen by physicians and doctors and they're like, hey, what's wrong with you? And they're like, oh, it's altitude sickness and all this stuff, but I had been spending all this time acclimating in the Andes, and I felt fine, it wasn't until I was introduced to the land zone, I spent time, you know, in the vicinity of that thing that I started getting real messed up, and I had to step away from the investigation altogether, because it was too much for me, which is sometimes like the downside of being like a hypersensitive person, like myself. Of course, yeah, that takes its toll, understandably. It really did. Can we also talk about the hidden tunnels and the crypts from the Knights of Templar? That I find really fascinating, were there discoveries in the tunnels or the crypts? The only thing that we saw that had, that we realized eventually that these were tunnels built by the Knights Templars was that we saw deep within the tunnel systems, like different tile works of their emblems, you know, but nothing was ever really found outside of the crosses that they would wear in the tiles around systems. To be honest, it went underneath the Danube in Serbia, so we were in Serbia, we went into these tunnel systems that, as you know, I don't think these tunnels were supposed to be long-lasting tunnels, because they started caving in, and the reason why we went there was not so much to investigate the goings on of the Knights Templars. We do have evidence that they did build these tunnel systems that went underneath the Danube, but what happened was there were other people, the people who were excavating and discovering and going deeper and deeper, trying to see if they could find anything from the Knights Templars if they left anything, but behind other than emblems and, you know, not sigils, but like crosses and things like that, that was obviously one of their emblems. The people that were going into those cave systems eventually got cave systems like fell in on them, and some people have died, you know, like awful deaths of starvation, and they just got like holed in under the roof. So it was like had a lot of this haunt vibe to it, because people that went into it never really got the chance to come out, because it was such a dangerous case. As much as I wanted to go in certain parts deep under the Danube, it was just too dangerous. So we would, you know, I remember going in, they were like, okay, well, if there was something to cave in on you, this is how you would survive, because it would take weeks for them to like get to you. So how do you survive for like six or seven days, maybe two weeks, you know, underground and pitch black with like only roots and like barely any water to survive on. So it was kind of more like a spooky tunnel system, and I never really uncovered too much about the Knights Templars and that one, but it was really interesting to kind of walk in the footsteps of where they had once been, you know, and understand like a lot of the effort that they put in to build these like secret little access points from one end to the next, you know, and on their whole, you know, crusade. I guess they were also some of the first people to try and like spread enlightenment in their own ways, you know, and bring religious ideas that weren't so much in alignment with the church, you know, but, but also it just it's funny how the whole world has been shaped by ideas of spirituality, you know. It's I hear Susan, like the word out there is that you will do anything to get the story, like you're beyond adventurous, like I will do whatever it takes to get evidence of the paranormal. So what is the scariest, maybe the stupidest, but the scariest, spookiest, craziest thing that you have done to get evidence and what happened? I've always been the person that's like, let me spend the night, you know, like when people would like wrap up all the gear, especially because we're working on television series. So like, you know, our field producers, the story producers, our camera guys, our audio people are going back to the hotel, you know, for the night and I'm just like, no, I want to stay, you know, here and well, I'll tell you one of the scariest places I spend the night was in an oubliette, which is it's a type of torture chamber. It was in Nottingham when I was investigating the galleries of justice and I had to repel into something called the oubliette, which essentially is a giant dark pit that you can't claw your way out of or climb out of, there's nothing in it and so how they used to like sentence like petty thieves and adulterers to death was that they would just throw them in the oubliette and oubliette in French is means to forget. So essentially they would just throw people in there and that's it. There's no way to get out. There's no, like you're, that's it. You're going to starve to death in there unless you eat each other is kind of like the dark story of the oubliette and that was what people would get for stealing loaves of bread on the street, you know, like it was messed up. So a lot of children and women ended up in the oubliette and I spent the night in there. It was actually just strangely there was no sound that reverberated off of the dirt walls. It was so spookily quiet. The amount, the quiet, the silence was the most deafening part about it all and because you're so deep underground and the the entrance to get in is like only about as big as like a ring light, you know what I mean? Like they would throw you in there and you couldn't get out and you're just in this giant cavern and there's no, like my walkie-talkies didn't work in there. Like there was no way the signal was getting back and forth. It was just kind of like guys. How did they check on you? I was like, it was a time thing. You know, it's like I had my watch with me and I was like, okay, someone's gonna come and check on you every three hours and three hours in the oubliette felt like an entire day. It was nice. Another place that I stayed in was I mentioned to you about like the idea of the egregores and stuff about the the femicide that happened in Poland. I was staying in like in an old, old medieval castle and they had a basement that they outfitted to like keep and torture witches in and so I slept in that basement. You know, so it was, yeah, definitely I've spent a lot of time in some of the darkest places in the world, like figuratively and literally. And then I think the other thing I've had to do this one got a lot of feedback, especially like me starting off and people not knowing like who I am and what I do, but when I was in Belize, I went to investigate these ancient Mayan temples out there and one of the things I wanted to do was involve ritual because, you know, ritual is so close to my heart. It's what I do to help me manifest like I'm all about that, you know, and so when we were talking to one of our clients who was a tour guide there, he said he because he's like a descendant of the early Mayans that lived in Belize that built those temples, he said he went in there to do a ritual to appease the gods, the Mayan gods and that's when he started getting all this haunted activity and so I was like, all right, well let's see if we could do that ritual, you know, and he's like, but you understand it involves bloodletting and I'm like that's cool, like we could do that, you know, I don't mind. So I think that, you know, like I definitely take on a lot of different cultural aspects to ritual and bloodletting is something that I definitely do practice. I prefer that than like animal sacrifice or things like that, you know, which, you know, I grew up in Miami, we've got a lot of Latin American cultures out here, we got a lot of San Dettos, people that practice voodoo, voodoo, all of that stuff and animal sacrifice is part of their culture. And so although I draw the line at that, because to me as like if I want to manifest something for myself, I feel like the offering needs to come from me and within. So if I can offer that so you're saying the bloodletting comes from you? Yes, wow. So I did a bloodletting ceremony in an ancient Mayan temple using original artifacts, which was like probably one of the most amazing things I feel like I've ever done, where I had like an obsidian blade that was carved by Mayans thousands of years ago and I cut myself open and I bled into an old vessel that was thousands of years old using, you know, old like incense and things like that. The fact that I had the opportunity to use those objects was so incredibly profound for me and I don't think people understood that, you know, they're like, oh my god, like I got a lot of flak online big time. I almost got like canceled, you know, or they're just like, my daughter watches you and looks up to you and she's a cutter and then all of a sudden became about mental hell. And then I was like, uh, this is not what that is, you know, but I understand your concern, you know. You know, this is an ancient ritual used by Mayans and I had the opportunity to do it using like legit artifacts, you know, and so for me as a witch, like I wasn't going to pass up that opportunity. And we did get some really interesting, really interesting evidence from that, lots of audio evidence, disembodied voices and things like that started happening around the temple when we were investigating. Anything that could be understood? Absolutely. Yeah, we heard a voice speak the client's name outright saying that it's not Pedro. That was like what it said, it's not Pedro, which I thought was really interesting because it was like, um, like why do you speak English was another thing, like, you know, you got to pay attention to, it's like, do these energies know how to speak different languages, you know, when they're not necessarily human incarnate, they can like to say things so I would understand because a lot of the times if we get EVPs, you know, there will be what is that an electronic voice phenomena. So it's when you hear a voice that you didn't hear with your ears get recorded on a device. And so when we hear this, you know, voice, a lot of times we could tell what type of entity it is, if it's like a ghost of a person because, you know, being around the world's not all ghosts speak English, you know, if you're in France, they're going to be speaking French, if you're going to be in like, you know, Poland, they're going to speak Polish, you know, and so I could tell if it's a human haunt based on the language they're speaking because if I'm in that country and they're speaking that language, you could tell by the inflection, the dialect and the language that these are in fact human spirits, you know, but then when you're in another country and you start getting things that will speak to you in your language, that makes that, you know, like kind of piques my interest into some other type of entity that knows how to speak, you know, for me so that the message hits me so I get it, you know, and so that was an interesting occurrence that happened at a Mayan temple, you know, where and you could tell the the inflection, the vocalization sounded like a foreigner speaking English, how interesting, you know, wow, like that with an accent, but nothing that I could understand, like, you know, I'm very keen on accents too, you know, like I can understand, like, if a person speaking to me in English, they're from another country, I could usually peg what the accent is, you know, and so that was an interesting thing that happened was having entities having to change their language or dialect or something just to communicate with you through devices, so that happens when we were at the Mayan temple after we did the bloodletting ceremony. In your list of all of what you are, it also includes reptilian, which really caught my attention. Why reptilian? Do you identify as a reptilian star seed? It's so funny that you brought this up because I had this conversation with Linda Moulton Howe last year at Conscious Life Expo for the front of my name, Melanie, who also, she does like past life regression on star seeds to understand, like, their origins. Really cool. The thing is that I find, and like in my handle, I'm Susan the Dragon Witch, I definitely identify with reptilian types of energy, but I find that they don't necessarily, like, I got in this, like, not, it wasn't a heated argument, but I was kind of like on the sides of the reptilian, talking with Linda Moulton Howe who has a very, you know, different view about reptilians than I do, where I find that, you know, reptiles in general are some of the most, like, evolutionary, just advanced types of creatures where, like, they have evolved and evolved and evolved and even in order to, like, no matter what environment you put them in, you know, like, if there's enough of them, they will learn to evolve and they shed their skin. There's, like, so many things where it's just very, there's a very transcendental, like, situation with them. And plus I love snakes. I've always been drawn to them. Like, I went to school with, for zoological studies and then I branched into herpetology and then I started handling snakes out here in Florida and I started, like, finding myself saving a lot of snakes that were considered dangerous. Like, people, you know, I don't know, I felt like a kinship to, like, serpentine creatures and iguanas and, like, reptiles in general. I just have, like, a real understanding and I find that when talking about my empathetic abilities when it comes to animals are very strong with reptiles, you know. Well, that's beautiful and I have to say, you know, it's like saying all doctors are bad. It's impossible because if you know anything about different planets and especially reptiles, reptilians do get a bad wrap and when I first started getting into ufology, I got corrected very early on by somebody who said that's actually racist because I had an assumption that they were dangerous and maniacal and our president was reptilian and all sorts of stuff and this is years and years ago and they corrected me and said no, no, there are amazing, beautiful reptilians out there. So, yes, it's like good lawyers, bad lawyers, good actors, bad actors, all of it. So, I love that you identify and that you feel on this planet, the kinship. Yes, our house, we have little lizards everywhere. Me, too. They come to me, they find me, I come across like reptiles in distress very often and I rehab them. Like one of my earliest encounters with that was with like out here in the south, we have water moccasins or type of viper, like a cottonmouth viper and you know, kids were like beating it with hockey sticks on the street and I was just so appalled by it and they're like, it's poisonous, we got to kill it, we got to kill it and I was like, they went and found it to kill it, it was almost like this whole thing and I straight up just the boys in the hood were like so incredibly like that's actually the first time people I think got really scared of me was when I grabbed this viper with my bare hands, I rather been like 10 years old and I put it in a cooler and I kept it like it had a broken back, you know, but I rehabilitated it over a while. My mom actually was cool with me keeping a viper, you know, to rehab it until I got it strong enough and release them back into the wild and I be ever since that day, like people have been giving me like, oh, I have this snake, it's getting too big, I don't know what to do with it or oh, you know, I have this bearded dragon that's like sick with like a respiratory issue and like I've just been taking all of these like reptiles, like the reptile whisperer over here, just rehabilitating them, understanding that these animals can thrive in their environments, they're very, very, very smart and aware, specifically lizards. I mean, I still, I have a snake right now, her name's Clementine and I use her as like a like an emblem in my rituals, you know, so whenever I do manifestation work and I do my rituals, she's kind of like my familiar and I will wear her as I read, you know, my intentions, I use her sheds to wrap my, you know, spells in and, you know, she's very much a part of like, you know, I've always had snakes and reptiles in my life and they've always been a part of like the magic that I work with, you know, that I always bring reptilian energy into all of my magical works. So it's just something I'm attracted to and I really feel it just speaks to me and I feel like they kind of see me, people like oh reptilians are like slimy and cold and all this stuff and I'm just like I don't think so, I don't think so at all. You give the like, they are so reciprocative. When you give them the right environment, they, you know, like it's just, it really is like, you know, when you, anything could like those specific animals can thrive anywhere, you know, and they've evolved, you know, and they've lived on this planet like longer than human beings have, you know, and so when I feel like a kinship to it, I feel like I do have like maybe like some spiritual ancestral energy as crazy as it sounds. No, not to me at all, by the way, and if you've ever had a star seed reading and I have, I have from the inception of my soul had a reading and it's life changing and you can never look at the galaxy and other beings as them and us again. We are them, right? So no, this makes total sense to me and that the dinosaurs were on this planet, one of the originals. Yeah, I mean, the reptilians came here too in various forms, but yes, no, I, I so get it. Yeah, I think there is like maybe a little bit of a genetic manipulation that had happened because of actually the thresholds coming in, you know, the reasons why like, you know, like, and I always argue that, you know, the dinosaurs were on this planet for like millions of years, we've only been here for like, that we can understand for maybe like hundreds of thousands, you know, imagine that the psychological evolution that these animals were beings went through, like maybe they got to the point where like they could communicate in a way and understand each other in a way in such a very like biological way, but also in a very telekinetic way. Yeah, I can, I just wish I knew like how their brains worked, you know, where it's like maybe their brains were so small because, you know, they had evolved different things to communicate or to think with, you know, like maybe they're more like a, like how snakes have the ability to see heat, you know, like they just have on a different ability, like humans need larger brains because we use our minds to adapt to living on this planet, you know, like we had to come up with, you know, shelters and clothing and cooking food so that we could adapt and live and survive in a hostile environment. I don't really feel like human beings like really evolved on this planet. I feel like we kind of came here and we had to learn and in order to learn, we had to have bigger brains, you know, like and we don't even use their whole brain. Imagine when we learn to use 100% of our mind, you know, we only use what like 10 to 12% like if you're a genius. Yeah, well, but then there's the junk and the stuff we don't use and you have to think about, there's been a lot of theories about that having to do with extraterrestrial information and star connection and so forth. So I'm listening to all your curiosities and I'll say this piece and then I'll ask the question later, but you're going to do a lot at the Conscious Life Expo. You're also offering a seance with Susan Slaughter. I think you have three sessions over the weekend and these are two and a half hour intimate experiences. Yeah, yeah, they're serious. Has anybody ever been down when you did these? They might go over, I'll be real. Seances are not a short experience. Well, because I was reading about it and I was reading how you have an inner circle and then you have this outer shell. So folks who don't want to participate but want to watch and I thought, what if somebody freaks out? What if something happens? Even if you're in the outer circle, okay, just because you're not hands-on, you're not touching the tools and things like that, there are still messages coming in for the outer circle. That's happened before many times. The reason why I keep an inner circle is because you don't want the table to get crowded. You don't want too much energy coming. You have to have your strongholds because I never, during a seance, touch the items myself. I definitely use Ouija boards and pendulums and things like that and I'll bring in other tools to amplify psychic awareness for my seances. But the readings are for the entire room and so sometimes even though you have six people at the table, hand on the planchette doing the Ouija board sessions, there are going to be messages for people on the outer circle coming in as well. So it's not just for that. You never know the messages and for who they're coming in unless they're actually being ran out. There have been who's this message for and they'll write the name like oh this message is for Ashley and then Ashley is on the outer circle and like okay so Ashley gets to ask the questions like who are we speaking to and then the people on the inner circle get to move the planchette and stuff like that. So I also do a gallery reading using more modern tools. Something that I discovered as an investigator and so I don't want to give too much away. But you're also going to be speaking there. You'll be on panels right? So you can see her in person. You can also if you're somewhere in the world, I say go live like you know it's amazing to go. It's worth the weekend. If for some reason you're somewhere in the world and you say I just can't then live stream it. You know pay to live stream it. It is so worth it. It is the most amazing from the moment it starts to the moment it ends with Friday, midday, to Monday evening. I mean you'll get filled for a year really and I'll have the link in the show next. If you're feeling a little empty like your bucket's a little empty you go to conscious life and you leave with all these energetic tools and information and knowledge to like transcend where you're at at that moment you know speakers like yourself you know there's so every year there's different people. They keep bringing a new blood which I think is great and then they bring back some of the old you know besties but it's the learning is phenomenal. So cool and I will see you there. I know I'm excited for that and of course I would love to have you at the seance like you're invited to whichever one you can make. I really I felt you were going to say that which is an honor and hilarious and terrifying all at once but I will take you up if you can promise that nothing will happen to me there will be no attachments and I hope that something happens to you and that's the thing like I do that's why that it's not just a cut and dry seance there's a lot of energy working that we do together as the group to like amplifier energies and our psychic awareness and then we have closing ceremony which is so important so that way you can like shed away the energies so that they don't become sticky and to be honest it's all I like to call it's an invite only seance you know so it's like you can only bring whatever energy you want to speak to you know and then that's in your own arsenal for your own you know knowledge you come in you want you know that's why I say it's like you could come and bring if you want to like talk to something like extraterrestrial or something angelic or even demonic I think that demons get a bad name you know but or you even want to like talk to your higher self and get some insight to like your evolution you know and things like that so it's a very well-rounded thing where it's not we're just not talking to ghosts it's a conversation with so many different types of entities that we include and and you know and and yes we've had departed loved ones come through you know very strongly as well a last time actually I did a seance and it's like if you're in the room like it doesn't matter whether you came to participate there was a woman that was a she was a camera operator for the lives for the science and she got a message through for her she wasn't participate she's like hey I'm here and and then something came through for her and and that was a profound moment for her which was a beautiful experience the idea to be honest the seances are are very emotionally heavy experiences they're not fluffy at all they explain briefly about victorian era spiritualism and the term seance so seance is like another french term it's like to see to see into the future and victorian era spiritualism actually gave it a really bad rap because you had a lot of you know people like the fox sisters who were using seances or people's grievings you know of lost loved ones and created this whole charade around spiritualism and and all this like faux content so to speak and they became performers they were famous for it I mean it's you know it was it was something that was rooted in the reality of that you could connect using your psychic awareness but then a lot of the seance became famous because of all of the kind of you know sketchy folks in it you know especially when it came to spiritualism in the united states like the fox sisters and you know Houdini was a big naysayer against you know seances and things like that because he he saw it for himself and knew that it was like kind of bollocks but to be real if you go way back into time not just like victorian era you know spiritualism you start thinking about the works that like john d did where he started doing like you know real research on how indigenous people connected with their ancestral energies using things like um scrying and you know like black mirrors or obsidian mirrors and things like that and he started understanding you know like oh you use your own psychic awareness because you have the ability within yourself to connect with other types of beings you know um whether they're gods whether they're goddesses that's why you know you have these middle men spiritual middlemen like shamans you know and witch doctors and older you know um religious you know uh indigenous practices uh and and that's kind of like how i gravitate towards the seance and i do use the traditional tools like ouija board and pendulums and things like that because it's uh using a tangible thing we we live within a physical realm and so that's kind of like what um witches do we understand that you can use physical objects to hone in your ideas to manifest into other realms like so so things tend to be like emblems for what you want when you do rituals and and and the ouija board is an emblem of communication you know that's been like if anything has its own aggregate attached to every single board that's ever been made because everybody looks at a ouija board and says that's how we talk to ghosts that's how we talk to spirits and so you're already manifesting the fact that that is exactly what it does and so you're using this tool to uh to to hone in and communicate with your higher self who then brings in all that information so i think there is a bit of a misconception about how ouija boards are used um they think that oh like um you know the ghosts are talking through you but to be honest i mean yes they do but you are the the messenger in that situation and yes you do the only thing that gets a little hairy at times um it can lead into situations of possession because you become the vessel you know of communication so energies can hop in to you but the thing is that doesn't necessarily need to be a bad thing when you start identifying it and that's why conscious life is such a great place to do a seance because the people that sit at the seance table are um they understand the law of one where everything comes from this great one source of energy and we're all fractals of that so they're the best people to do a seance with because a they're hypercharged hyper aware everybody that goes there i think is a little bit on an intuitive scale one way or the other you know so the seance is there end up becoming hypercharged and the people are not scared to connect with other types of beings because they do so in their own personal ways you know and so you have a lot of like real soldiers at the seance table the ones and that's why people are not willing to connect with you know the tools and and become vessels for the information they're more than welcome to still get to reap the benefits of that if they go on the outer circle you know they're still all part of the seance but they don't have to get in on the energy and become conduits you know got it wow that's awesome thank you for the invitation because really that's an opportunity for me to step up and do something that typically would scare me to do i'm mostly afraid of attachments like i don't want i didn't you know somebody would have to clear me you have attachments all the time you have like ancestral attachments like the the claire cognizance the the messages that you get the the insights that you have or come from these energies that you are tethered to you know and so you're always going to have these attachments and um you know and i believe that it you know you'll you know what i mean by that i do but you're scared of like a scary ghost attachment she's going to come out of your television looking like the ring and that's what ghosts are you know like that's like and i see you like that let's be real like i have but you know what that's those have been reflections of myself when i'm like doing shadow work yeah so the scary things that you see is because there's something within you projecting that you know so then that just shows you have to work on those aspects of yourself yeah so i'll come work at your seance for sure i'll come and nothing and that's not a lot of light it's an invite only so you're going to be able to bring one spiritual guest with you is that's what i call it and then um that that that's the only guest that will be able to connect with you so yeah i'm not going to bring in a bunch of people's energies into my seance without that's why i call it invite only you get one your plus one is your plus one spiritual guest and that's the only thing that could come through during the seance so you have to pick wisely yeah i really know yeah and see what comes through for you and and we do a whole little ritual around picking your spiritual guest so that's like how we talk so it's only invited guests um on the inner and outer circle and do you live stream this do you know what they live stream it um we did last year that's how the camera girl got her and i made her there was another thing too it's like if you're in the room i don't care if you're just working you have to have your invite only like that's how i i don't care if you're monitored are you doing monitors or you're dusting the lamp down there you know like you are you have to have your spiritual guests because if you're if you're physically in the room with us while this is happening i don't want open doors for um you know you want those to come in like random energies um it's an invite only type deal and so we i have a ritual around that and that a way that we open that in the space in a way that we close that in the space and um yeah it takes a long time and you know what that time flies like two and a half hours felt like 15 minutes last time it was nuts like with the amount of information we were getting and so that's the reason why there's like okay you can't just because last year i only did one seance and i guess it had made its way the rounds back to you know the the heads of conscious life and they're like okay no like people want to do this and because i don't like keep it a very limited because i don't want it to be a giant it's an intimate thing you know people get really vulnerable at these seances you know you have a lot of loved ones coming through facts about things and deaths and stuff like that that it's like you know it's more you got to there i'm already there i mean i'm months and months in the future i'm there i hope so pick one and you're there totally oh my god thank you for the invitation i i had already intuitive you were gonna tell me that and yeah so i'm a hell yes yay and susan this is dare to dream you're the one of the most adventurous people i've met in a really long time and i think that's cool thank you yeah thank you too for that energy what are you next year to dream what are your future dreams and goals where are you going girl i mean to be honest like i kind of i'm already like on that path a little bit you know like i wanted to be a person that follows their spirit and inspires other people to do the same you know i want to inspire people to be more spiritually aware of themselves of each other and have a little fun doing movies and stuff you know so i'm there i'm you know if anything i could i can only just get bigger and bigger in those spheres and that's all i that's all i could ask for do you have anything coming down the pike on any of the tv shows that you're on that you're especially looking forward to that you've never done before well as for as tv shows i've already finished in rap season five of paranormal common camera which is airing right now so all the new episodes of paranormal common camera on discovery and travel channel and um when i'm also in los angeles for conscious life we're going to be doing another dark zone event so that's an investigation that we're going to be um i can't really delve too much in it because we're still talking with the location but that will be coming up soon and you know um i did a movie in chicago a couple months ago and so that's going to come out it's called weekend deadaway so if you see it yeah it's super campy horror gore stuff which is you know just just good old fun but uh yeah i get to do a little bit of everything you know and so i'm just looking forward to the conscious life expo is kind of what i'm really focusing on right now the sands is take a lot out of me and i have to put a lot into them and doing three of them is uh is it quite a task so um i will be doing that getting my energy right for that and that's going to take a long time too you know in order for me to go into a seance i have to make sure that my demons are good you know i have to do a lot of shadow work so i'm trying to make sure that i am sitting in a place of like light and bright for the seance so anything that's got me feeling down you know like um you know like living alone for the first time in my life things like that i'm working through like to be real candid like having a space to sit comfortably in for a while because i was kind of a nomad and um yeah just working on that so my big thing right now that i'm doing is getting back into a space of like centering myself doing some shadow work um and getting my energy out of vibration that can like be utilized correctly for a seance and there's a lot of internal work that goes into that you know and people you can't just like set up a seance you know it's a whole vibe literally all right so people can find you on instagram at susan v dragon witch all one word susan the dragon witch and i want to thank you so much for coming on the show today this has been amazing really thank you debbie for having me and i can't wait to meet you in person at conscious life expo and and you could be on the inner circle you could be on the outer circle and whatever you're comfortable with just be there to witness it i think you'll enjoy it i'm in i'm in i'm a hell yes yep and we will be well protected i'm bringing an army of angels it's going to be awesome exactly exactly yeah so thank you bless you i can't wait to meet you too and i end today's show with this quote from thomas jefferson if you want something you have never had you must be willing to do something you have never done which is actually hilarious because i just agreed to do a seance so there you have it we intuited ahead ahead of time something that we needed to hear and i hope this is true for you too what do you need to do what what do you want to gain in your life and what do you need to gain that and so don't let fear don't let obstacles stop you go go go subscribe to that message that's right thank you thank you to the ethers for dumping that one it was perfect this is your number one transformation conversation again thank you for being with us do comment do like do subscribe ding ding ding and know that i read them all this is your dear to dream with debbie dashinger podcast next week on the show i am featuring the amazing anita serene formerly known as star girl the practical witch she's been a working psychic medium with a specialty in numerology astrology and mediumship and we're going to be talking with star girl about how to predict the future with signs and omens you're going to want to tune into that one thanks for joining us today