 George Bruno with 21 report. We're at the 21 convention the final event of the decade And I'm having a conversation with Goldman otherwise known as Goldman Unleashed. Welcome. Thanks, George. Yeah, how'd it go? Went well. Yeah went well different venue, but same cool audience and I felt comfortable on stage Had to get the message out there. Yeah, I noticed you're sporting a new look now. Yeah with the more full beard Yeah, well, it's it's fitting with my lifestyle right now I'm kind of on the road exploring America in nature a lot and just out there as Goldman the Explorer Yeah, yeah photography is part of it. Of course, geography drone video drone photography, and I just got into underwater Photography Wow. Yeah I'm up in the sky. I'm underwater and I'm on the streets. Wow. What is the most mind-blowing? Oh Photography you've done to date. Oh, man. I I would say last year when I spent the month in the Florida Everglades I was out in Everglades for sunrise every morning for a month and I saw some Very very violent animals killing each other Yeah, alligators eating boa constrictors That was probably the most amazing experience and I got perfect light where a giant 10-foot Boa constrictor was getting eaten by a 10-foot alligator in perfect light Wow interesting. Yeah, like a nature show on TV. I was also so happy with that one. Wow, that's pretty cool Would you speak on today? I spoke about creativity So how to access that creative part of you and what the benefits of being creative are That was my topic of my speech. Yeah, does everybody have creativity in that? I believe so I mean some people of course more than others some people are just born for it They have this position some people are just very talented, but for the most I mean everybody's got some Some inkling some spark of creativity and I really wanted to encourage guys Especially to dig deep and figure out what that spark was and just turn that spark into a fire because it can change your life What about the whole I? Remember back in the 80s and 90s. There was a lot of left brain right brain kind of stuff Yeah Does that any of that? Study apply to what you do. I mean, I don't think about it like in like the how they broke it down scientifically I think creativity is accessing part of your soul and if your soul is your right brain so be it But it's that wow. All right. You just you just entered just a whole new element just came in Yeah, the soul Wow, you just you really blew up blew that left right brain paradigm right out of the water the soul Yeah, yeah, the soul The soul. Yeah, and I've explored the soul through many different mediums before and Tell us about the different mediums. Well plant medicine. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about mostly, ayahuasca ayahuasca was something that Legitimately changed my life. Yeah, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those ayahuasca ceremonies And that navigating that soul navigating that it allowed me to do it brought me to those places where I could do it Yeah, and I'd never been before never access that part of me before. Yeah, and it just I mean Goldman unleashed there's a reason I use that word unleashed because that was unleashed that Goldman is what was really inside me Yeah, and ayahuasca Made him come out. Yeah. Yeah. Wow What are the effects the long-term effects of and I'm not talking physiological But how does it affect the life of a person when they are unleashed? I? Much more open I'm gonna speak from personal experience and I'm trying like other people I know that just the openness that you're able to Project whereas before you feel like you were kind of living life very closed or in boxed in and when that happens You just you want to express yourself more you want to understand other people more You just want to put yourself out there, and you're not afraid You're not afraid of yourself anymore, and that's what ayahuasca did. I confronted myself My very very dark parts of myself confronted them saw them for what they were Was terrified for a big portion of it was very very ill for a portion of it, and then but I know they're there And I know the strengths and weaknesses, which is that self-knowledge is just power. Mm-hmm. Yeah Self-knowledge let's go down that little rabbit hole a little bit. That's something that everyone could benefit from right? Yeah, self-knowledge, and that's a big part of my road trip now Is I'm spending a lot of time in nature, and I think the nature is the one place where you really want to explore yourself Without you know psychedelics or you know crazy plant medicines nature is one place where you can really go and Figure out I mean set your mind free Observe nature see what she's telling you But that's the one place if you're really interested in self-knowledge Every time I go I learned something new there. Yeah, it's amazing Years ago. I heard about a lady that was counseling another lady after she lost her husband And she said One woman asked how do I deal with this grief and she says Go out and lay down in the ground and let the earth minister to you. Hmm and I was like blown away by that and She did it and she felt like the ground Actually helped her in her grief She wasn't like literally in touch with energy in the earth or something to that effect. She was grounded Grounded. Yeah. Yeah And I've heard that people who are grieving need to go and Literally lay down on the ground with naked if possible. So there's no interference I knew a woman who would go to the beach without a beach towel. Everyone has beach towels and umbrellas She would just go and lay down on the sand. That's what I do and she just yeah, and she said she felt like that That it was affecting her in a positive way. Oh, yeah, this is I mean part of my trip I'm always you know going to bathing myself in mud going that's hot springs cold springs Oh, they're burying myself in sand, but I can now that you mentioned it as part of the grieving process I can see how that really would help because I think we're all grieving in some way Yeah, like it's a spiritual grief and this is what I've noticed in America. It's this Sick spiritual war that's going on. Yeah, so we're all we've got that hurt inside and getting grounded and back to nature Not to sound too hippie-dippy-ish, but man, it makes a difference Yeah, and it just it might sound silly to people, but just God don't knock it till you try it Yeah, like it might be just what you need especially in our plugged in wired lives where we're never far away from Scream. Yeah Yeah, that's a Digital detoxing thing. I noticed it's a trend right now digital detox It's a trends if because I'm using Airbnb a lot and a lot of these places They're kind of off the map. They're close to national parks and a big buzzword is digital detox And just like being off the grid So you don't have any cell service or anything and that's how they they promote themselves And I go there and I'm meeting great people very successful people, you know Millionaires politicians celebrities are going to these places to leave the city and just cut themselves off and be out in nature And I am all for this trend because everybody there is just like Man, did I need this? I needed it big time because like I make my living online And then when I took my couple weeks off completely it was just my brain felt refreshed So I'm hoping this trend catches on and I think it will because it works. It's not just a fat Well, it used to be an amenity, you know Wi-Fi internet Yes, all like the selling points now a selling point is no Wi-Fi no internet. Exactly. Yeah That's amazing. What are the effects of I? guess maybe Digital intoxication then what do you think? That was so for me especially because I was pretty active on Twitter for a while before I got suspended from Twitter Would I actually ended up being a good thing? But Twitter especially in social media like that. I found the dopamine just it just cut down on my ability to focus And because I did pride myself on my long form content and my essays and my books and my emails Yeah And when you really because you can get good at Twitter or you know if you put your ideas out in a certain way It can be fun because you get the message out there more and more people do it It's good for your business. Yeah, it feels good getting the information out there and it is fun like making a stir Mm-hmm, and but all that it does cut down on your long-term ability to focus so taking those breaks and Getting back into the deep work is like vital if you want to stay creative I've recently discovered mushroom coffee and the new tropic effects of mushrooms It's like a deluxe. No, just Like lion's mane clarity and focus Rashi shaga and these literally they They like if you're reading a book your retention rate of what you read is Higher than I don't use these things And it gives you a clarity and a focus and energy Unlike caffeine which physically amps you up this does it to you mentally The whole mushroom family the whole fungi thing Yeah, it's it's medicine, isn't it? Oh, they are something special. Yeah, the fungi. Yeah, it's something very very special Yeah, yeah, and I've always been a fan like with psychedelic mushrooms and micro dosing I think it's very good for especially for certain personality types like mine You can get a lot of benefit from that But yeah mushrooms in general that whole family is just they're amazing if you do the research on them And you find out what they actually are are they plants are they animals closer to animals and plants what yeah? And if you've ever eaten a wild mushroom like a golden Chantarelle, have you ever had like a real wild mushroom? Yes. Oh It's better than a lobster like so good. Yeah, so that mushrooms or something else. Yeah Yeah, glad we can talk about mushrooms. They are close to my heart for sure. I noticed that My friend that you met earlier today she She goes mushroom hunting for origin. It's a very European thing Loves it. Absolutely loves it. I say, how do you know what's a good one? Which one will kill you and they I mean they know yeah, they have it, you know, they've been Since they were little kids. They they can tell they have it So it's interesting. I'm texting and I noticed Well, I didn't when I was looking at poisonous mushrooms these red ones with white dots will kill you I know that and when I look at the emoji for mushrooms like on the average cell phone with my phone The mushroom emoji is a red mushroom with white dots on it And I wonder if those creators realize that that will kill you I think they were copying the Super Mario mushroom Everybody's familiar with that's that's a that's my inkling. It's interesting. Yeah The 21 convention has evolved you've watched it evolve Comment on that Yeah, it's involved It's fun I feel like I'm evolving along with it too Which is great because it's always good to reach different levels of you know creativity maturity, but yeah I've seen it grow from just you know rag tag group of guys who are trying to pick up girls Yeah, and so like a serious life-changing event where it's just gone full spectrum. Yeah, and like just reach different levels So it's very nice and I think important Very important evolution is very very important, especially in a counterculture like this like it has to evolve, right? You can't stay I mean if you figure out there's some really evil things in the world Yeah, feminism sucks, but what are we gonna do about it guys, right? Yeah, like figure out other solutions We're not gonna spend four days talking about how something sucks. Yeah, or like how to pick up chicks Yeah, like that's which can be done in an afternoon. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean we We're so much more than a how to get laid Workshop, yeah, there's so much more going on here and that's I think mainstream society They look at men and they love to just keep men shallow and dumb right give the guy some bacon and beer He's happy they can I get my blowjob every once in a while. He's happy. Yeah, where it's like the depth of Men the men here the speakers here just the the depth that they have the lengths They're willing to go to gain new knowledge is mind-blowing and amazing I haven't seen it anywhere else and like I was working in the educational system Which didn't hold the flame to the 21 convention and the knowledge that's here. Yeah Yeah, so it's very exciting and like I said important. That's the it is important very important. Yes important Your voice is important in the man a sphere and in the men's community How did you find your voice? Oh Man my voice It when I first started writing in the beginning I didn't I didn't have my voice So just kind of like putting the stuff out there When I started getting feedback From my information which was mostly about sex and seduction why I first started but it was like I had my angle like Yeah, it's this is how you pick up girls But the important thing is you want to form a connection like it's I don't want to say a spiritual connection But if you're picking up a girl like what is that connection? And that's what I was good at my writing I was exploring the feelings behind it and The emotions that were going on like the real emotions and when people started giving me feedback on that I'm like, oh, okay. I've got a talent here. It's time to develop that and like take it more seriously Once I did that and I was like, all right I'm gonna focus on the craft of writing now and really like trying to get to the core of the truth I think that's what writing and storytelling is you're trying to express truth In that process when I started taking it seriously like something clicked in my mind And that's when I knew I had my voice. It was like that I would I would write and I was like I know This is going to work Does everybody have a voice? No That's like asking if everybody's a born writer. That's no some people just can't write like it's just Yeah, they'll have their inner voice, but when it comes to their writing voice, I think it's it's a talent thing Yeah, yeah, maybe they should be musicians. I think during our last interview. I said I want I wish I could be a musician But I can't I was a born writer can't my brother's got the musical talent, right? Where do you see the men's movement going if you can foresee the future I Mean I do see it getting bigger Because we do have the truth behind us. So I mean self-improvement and the stuff we're doing is Making people's lives change for the better because it's showing them the truth, right men see this They literally change their lives around because they're exposed to the truth for the same time that They're exposed for the first time So I do see it getting bigger and bigger because you can't stop the truth I see more hit pieces on the manus for your coming, which I don't mind. I think they're a good thing But I also see people who are gonna wake up and see the positive side of it And once that happens once we get more and more positive press Which I think is inevitable because there's gonna be too many men's lives who has changed too many voices speaking out there that it's gonna catch on more and more and I don't think it'll ever become completely mainstream, but people are gonna know about it, yeah, and People more and more people are gonna be drawn. So right now. It's in this little movement Little counterculture movement and eventually the counterculture if they have the truth behind them They become part of the popular culture. So that's what I see happening. I have no idea what the timeline is gonna be but I do you can't stop the truth. Yeah Let me ask you this AJ said something he said if you are the best in the world at something Why aren't you getting paid for it? And that just Kind of made me stop for a second. Yeah, it seems like you have learned the art of Getting paid for something you're good at. How did you get to that point where people gave you money for your talent? I did not start doing this for any I didn't even know you could make money writing online How'd I get to that point It just it kind of happened naturally. I had other friends Tell me I should start charging for services and it was actually friends telling me you need to start doing this Like you're just putting way too much stuff out there for free Start doing this, but I wasn't competent yet my skills. They hadn't been built yet When I started doing the coaching and guys were paying a lot of money to get my nightlife coaching and just You know how to approach women and handle women in New York City Paying me a lot of money for that that did give me a big confidence boost. I was like wow I should start charging ridiculous. I wasn't doing it before. Yeah And it's it was a slow evolution a very very slow evolution for me, but I did not Think I was gonna make it done doing this. This is why it's it's still bizarre to me very bizarre to look back and see how many people have been affected. Yeah, and Yeah, willing to get me their hard-earned money. Yeah for my information my teaching my writing So it's it's strange to think about Try not to think about it too much. I think about the blow I'm thinking about the song New York New York by Frank Sinatra where he says if I can make it there I can make it anywhere. Is that true about New York? Oh, yeah different than Johnstown, Pennsylvania Man, yeah, you gotta be blood thirsty you literally like what AJ said in New York You have to be the best at what you do. Yeah, because you will get a place like that. Yeah, like there's You literally have to strive The thing I love about New York City is that people there are super ambitious I and I like that in a person when a person wants to be the best not necessarily an elitist or pretentious But they just want to be the best. I value that in the characteristic and New York City has that going for it Yeah, what do you hate about New York? Oh, man About 10 years ago the culture shifted when everybody and their mother wanted to move to New York in like 2007-2008 it was just everybody wanted to move there and when it started happening the money came in and When the money moves in and it pushes the artists out and the creativity out Monoculture happens Wow and New York used to be pride on being rebellious and rude and the same Like, you know fuck you want to do whatever I want I'm gonna vote for what I want to don't tell me what to do and then in the past 10 years it has literally become just a Very leftist progressive. They've always been liberal, but it's just gotten ridiculous And you can't have a different opinion or else like I was literally banned from parties Kicked out recognized your goldman's we know what you write about get out You're not allowed back in your ban from here forever Wow in the neighborhood. I'd lived in for 10 years Wow. Yeah, fuck you Bushwick. Yeah and so it's like that across the board and I really I think that's the worst thing right now because it's worse there than a lot of other places Yeah, is there an alternative to New York or what is the next? The next stop for Goldman. I'm on the road right now. I'm looking for it So we'll see what I find but right now. I'm enjoying the traveling and the exploring I can do and I'm grateful to have that opportunity Yeah, yeah, and you'll talk about that with us the next time we sit down and talk, right? We will excellent. All right Goldman unleashed. Thank you. Thanks again, George What was your experience so far with the 21 convention? Oh I was dead. I was dead professional all across the board really good energy with a lot of people and I just like this is very positive positive direction this George this is a this has been a first-class event. It's fantastic. You guys were in a really tight ship I've been in a lot of conventions over the course of my business career And I can tell when things are well run and when things aren't and this is a very well run operation I was very impressed. It's pretty incredible to see where Anthony's brought it Especially from last year which is my first year here and to see the upgrades he's made. It's been incredible I've got my notebook and with every speaker. I've written down about two or three lines Under each of the speakers of just just the key prime stuff that that's good That's great. It's very surreal man. Yeah, I'm really enjoying it I'm happy to live in such an era where it's such a thing like this is possible I have never seen a group of guys like this a group of 200 men were focused Squared away and working on their values just never met a bigger group of wonderful guys It's kind of neat because I've been to a fair amount of conventions in my day But you never see one where the guys like here You can see Ed Latimore talking to Tanner about boxing. Yeah, just sit down and then you tell your boxing experiences Everybody's kind of pinging off each other. Yeah, it has been fantastic And it's been four days of guys all on the same page working the same direction fascinating meaning some of the people Hearing their stories. Yeah, you got people traveling from other parts of the world come here just to see yeah some of the speakers That's amazing. I think it's impressive. Everybody here is very serious. Yeah, they're taking it close to their heart What a great convention. Thanks George