 voice today on the show first time. Very exciting, very exciting. Carlos Cavazzo, some great news. He's part of King Cobra. King Cobra's back. Good to have you, Carlos. Yeah, Carlos. Thank you for having me on your show. Appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. This is a way overdue. I mean, you know, Jim and I are fans going all the way back to the choir riot and glad to see that you're doing well. Thank you, man. Yeah, we hit the 40 year milestone a couple months ago when the album was released in March, you know, 83. That was 40 years ago last March. Wow. Crazy and still out there making noise. I guess, you know, I never would have thought it would last that long. You know what, you got a new album with King Cobra, of course, with the apicy or the apice. Is it apicy? Carmine apicy, Alan? A piece, a piece, a piece, a piece, an apicy. Yeah. There's three brothers in the all pronounce their last name different. Go figure. We are Warriors is going to be released on August the 11th on Cleopatra Records. And you're part of this new band, Carlos. Tell us, you know, first of all, how'd you get involved? And, you know, what's the story behind that? Well, you know, I've done things with these guys before in the past. I've done a few records with Paul Shortino, obviously. And I've done a lot of gigs with Carmine here and there. And we never did a record together. But I've always admired Carmine. He's a great drummer, great musician, great person to work with. And Paul's a great person to work with. I've always enjoyed working with him. And they contacted me one day and asked me if I'd be able to maybe doing a song or two on the record. And I, yeah, sure. And then they ended up wanting me to do the whole record. So I ended up bringing some songs as well. Oh, okay. And they had about half the record written before I joined. And I like the material they're, you know, they're coming up with. And I brought in, like I said, a few songs and that here we are. But I've always liked working with these guys. So I quickly jumped on the opportunity. I figured what's there to say no about. They're all nice guys. I'm sitting around not doing anything right now. I kind of, you know, didn't really even want to be in a band anymore, even tour anymore. But they kind of dragged me into it. We'll see what happens. Pushed your arm, forced you into the band. Yeah. And also there's Rowan Robertson on guitar on this record. And, you know, he did some good stuff. I think there's probably a little bit more of me on the record, but he did a lot of good stuff on it. And, you know, Johnny Rod as well. And then my brother played bass on Dance of the Wind. And Bob Daisley, he played on the songs too. One more night. That was Bob Daisley on bass. Yeah, that's one of my faves of the album. So. Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah, I bet it was such a great pedigree. You know, is it, you know, the name recognition is why they're using it as King Cobra, or instead of calling it like Quiet Vanilla or Quiet Cactus. What's up the fudge or? I don't know. Those Carmine's idea to revive the King Cobra, which is cool. I always like King Cobra. They have some good stuff and they were good people. And, you know, it was a good band. And to be a part of it, you know, 40 years later, I never thought I would be, you know, but, you know, it's fun. I'm having a good time with it. So, you know, this album, and going back and listen to the first two King Cobra's, I think, you know, they're so different, those first two albums. I think this aligns itself more into the original album that was done. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, how would you describe this for the people? Okay. So we heard one song. I think there's one single that was released, right? Or is it two? We're warriors. We're warriors. How would you describe the rest of the album to people who haven't heard it? Sort of like 80s-style rock, anthemic sort of choruses and, you know, a lot of guitar shredding here and there, and bluesy-based edge in some of the songs. There's a couple of fast tracks, like one or two of Tempo, and there's a lot of double-based drumming and cool drumming. I like a lot of that in there, and a lot of vocals and harmonies and stuff. And of course, Sartino, right? Paul Sartino, you played with Rough Riot, right? For a short while. Rough Cut and Rough Riot. Plus Quiet Riot 4, right? You guys, that's where you guys probably, you know, had that connection. Right, exactly. You still got the pipes, that's for sure. A little bit more mature sounding, maybe? Right, right. Oh yeah, he's always been a great singer. He's got to work with, find the right songs with, you know, that's a no-brainer. What about Rowan? I mean, is this, I guess I should ask this, is this going to be, you said you don't want a tour anymore, or you do want a tour anymore, I'm not sure, but I mean, is this something you guys are going to go on the road with? We might, yeah, there's a possibility. We've been discussing that, but I think Rowan, he's not going to be able to do it. He's pretty busy doing some other stuff right now, so we'll most likely use somebody else. And as far as Johnny and Rod going out on the road, I'm not sure about that, it depends on what he's up to. Everybody's got so much stuff going on nowadays, and it's hard to round everybody up and get everybody out there, but we'll see what happens. We're hoping, I would like to do maybe a few shows, maybe not a hardcore tour, we were out for a long time, but maybe just a few specialty festivals and stuff like that, you know, a few shows here and there, M3 Festival, or Oklahoma. We have to talk about Carmine, I mean, you know, he's going to be turning 77 years old in December of this year, and the drumming on this is, you know, he's hammering away throughout the whole album. What do you think? What's your thoughts on him at his age doing this? Yeah, he's definitely a workhorse, man. He's got it going on with the drums, and he's always been a great drummer, songwriter, singer. He's a great singer too. Yeah, this is the first album that I didn't sing on this record, and this is the first album I ever did in my career where I didn't sing on it, and him and Paul did all the vocals on it, and they're great. Carmine's a good singer, really, he did a lot of the vocals on BBA album, you know, back in the day. Yeah, yeah. Going back in time when you and Paul met, was it, was it in Choir Right 4, I guess it was before then, you guys played with them at shows, and the Sunset Strip, I guess, wrote the rough cut, was it back in the Choir Right days where you met him? Before he did Choir Right 4. I met him in probably mid-80s, 84, 85, and I for sure, you know, obviously we met everybody when we did that We're Stars album. Oh yeah, hearing aid, yeah. Yeah, hearing aid, everybody got together for that, and that's where I met a lot of people, and that was like 85, I think, so I think I met him at 84, a little bit before that. When you were there, I mean, how much did you participate in that song of hearing aid stars? It's a great song. I mean, was it limited or they just had the set amount of people that were going to do it, they already had it mapped in their head, or what was that like? Well, that was the genius of Ronnie James Dio, he orchestrated that whole thing along with Jimmy Bain, and you know, the other people that were in his band at the time, they had, I participated in the harmony vocals and the guitar solo, the rhythm playing was other people, but they had it all, they had everybody come in, just lay a bunch of stuff down, they used what they wanted to use, and that's how it came about, but yeah, I participated in the harmonies, the day they had everybody singing together like a choir, that was pretty funny. That's the photo on the cover of the album. The guys from Binal Tap were there as well, so. Yeah, right, you're staying right next to me too, I got to talk to them all day and stuff. They were cool people, really cool people. Yeah, and I remember, you know, Carlos was one of the 300 solos that were performed on that album, and the video that came out, you were there playing. Oh yeah, yeah. When you, and I guess you met Paul Sartino there, and then this whole Kevin thing, right, I'm a huge choir ride fan there, and I'll prove it, I'll prove it. I'm not to say that, everybody doesn't have this one, okay. I'm just going to show you here, I go hardcore, I go hardcore. I go real hardcore, I go real hardcore, this is pretty Carlos choir. And then, you know, we have this, you know, this guy here, and then we've got this one here. He's got them all, he's a huge fan. Holy crap, I got even the reissue of this, look at that. Oh yeah, all right. Alive and well, and then this Brute Leg, I'm sure you've seen a lot of money out of this one. Oh yeah, I heard pretty much it was a Brute Leg. Going back to the original album, and it's going to tie in with Spencer and Choir Ride 4. You know, I read so much about the original album, and was it with Spencer Proffer, I mean, great producer, this is probably one of the greatest metal albums, you know, to be released, at least in the top 20, right? There it is. I believe so. Did Spencer really have his hand in all the songs? Did he also divvy up the money? There was no money at the end of the day, even though that album sold like five or six million copies. I don't know what they did with their money, but I got money, I don't have to work anymore, I can retire right now, I don't know what they did with their money. There was money, we got paid, of course. Okay, okay, good, good, good. Things with their money, I don't know, but yeah, Spencer was a good producer, he wasn't a metal producer, I don't think he ever produced any metal bands until us, and you know, he was good for us, so he really was, he got the best out of us, and he knew what would work with us, and I don't know if we could have lasted a long time with him, but in the early stages of our band, though, he was good for us, he really got the best out of us, pretty much. Yeah, at that stage, it's probably you guys are willing to sign with anybody and do anything just to get recorded. Right, we had been turned down by a few labels, and you know, they didn't want to give us a chance, and Spencer decided to, and we got lucky with that, so it's like, you know, running the lottery, I guess, a little bit when you get a record deal, you know, even though you get a record deal, you don't know that your record's even going to do anything, you might go out there and it just doesn't sell, and you can go back home with your tail between your legs, but you know, we, it's like we're in the lottery, if you get it out, and we had the right song at the right place at the right time, you know. And actually, to your point, it didn't take off right away, that album, that was slow, it took a while to get up there, right? We pushed it, we toured hard, and thankfully with the cooperation of our label and a lot of the people that worked with us and stuff, you know, that promoted our record, it helped, for sure, and MTV probably helped, that came over. That was the best timing ever, right, when MTV was exploding, you know, it was, they exposed you to a wide variety of people that probably wouldn't even normally look at, watch your video or something, you know. Well, I mean, if you look at the songs, I mean, you really contribute a lot to this album, especially with the Metal Health. That was a snow song, originally, correct? Yes, it was. Yeah, it was a song that me and my brother had originally written called No More Booze, and Kevin really liked the song, and he used to see us play it in the clubs, and he'd come down and watch us. And when we got together, he wanted to work on that, so I rewrote the music to it, basically kept the same chorus and rewrote the verses, and then Kevin wrote all the lyrics, and the term bang your head actually came from Randy Rhodes. Me and Kevin were hanging out one day, and Randy had called him on the phone from Europe, and he was saying, yeah, there's these kids out here, they're banging their heads like crazy in the front row at home. Head bangers, that's when the term first came up, and he was going, head bangers, I like that, they're called head bangers, and then after he got the phone, Kevin wanted to use it, because I think I'm gonna name their song bang your head, and I go, sure, that's kind of a stupid name, I don't know about that, or see what I knew, and he ended up calling it bang your head and became what it is, you know. Was it true that Spencer, one of the caveats of you signing with him, is you had to record a Slade song, the Slade song, come on, feel the noise? I don't know if it was the deal breaker, but you thought that Kevin sounded like Naughty Holder, which he, I don't know if he sounds exactly like him, but he does have that style of Naughty Holder, and he thought that song would be a good song for us, because it was a hit in Europe, but I guess it wasn't a big hit in America, and so we recorded the song, and we recorded the other one at the same time, and then we ended up using come on, feel the noise, and so mama, mama you were all crazy, now that was recorded at the same time as Kyle. Around the same time, maybe a little couple months after. And don't want to let you go, that was another a snow song? That was a snow song, and so was Breathless, and I don't have the album in front of me, I don't remember the names. Well, I do, I do, lucky enough I have it with you. Well, Battle Axe has to be one of that. Slick Black Catalog was from the Randy Rhoads era, right? Yeah, Kevin Rhoads, yeah, Kevin Randy Rhoads. Yeah, Frankie said he really liked that song, let's bring it on to that album. Yeah, I liked that song too, and actually the lead slicks in that song was what Randy originally did, they sent us so good, I didn't want to change them, you know, so I left him what he did. Did you ever meet Randy Rhoads? Oh yeah, many times. He was always a real nice guy, no ego, I didn't see no rock star ego in him at all, and, you know, we just have small talk backstage, we did shows with choir right a few times, Snow did, and he'd come into our dressing room and talk to us and me and check out my guitars and stuff, and we have small talk kind of thing. We weren't good friends, we just pretty much see each other out in public, and I almost got to jam with them, because I remember Snow went to this party in Burbank one time in their early, late 70s, and there was a band playing there, but everyone was getting up and sitting in and jamming, and then I see Kevin and Randy come walking in, and they were sitting in the back of the room or something like that, I was like, come on you guys get up here, they didn't want to do it. I think maybe they were real us from drinking or they didn't feel right or something happened there, and so I didn't get to jam, I almost got to jam Eddie Van Halen once too, he came down, with Snow, he came down, I asked him, do you want to sit in with us? He didn't want to, he refused, I don't know, wasn't into it. You know, I love your guitar tone, I think that's what stands out the most on that album, you know, your solos. You know, I think you're kind of like the most underrated, underappreciated guitar in the sunset strip, I don't know, it's I don't know why, but I think, you know, you played a huge role, your guitar, you know, you got a little bit of Randy there, you got a little Eddie Van Halen there, but you got your own thing going, at least in terms of tone, right, and I think you did a great job. You're like the quiet guy, you're like the quiet guy. Yeah, pretty much, I was a quiet guy in the band pretty much. Well, I don't care if I'm underrated, as long as I'm not under paid, you know. That's what it comes down to. I meant it in a nice way. Right. So, I mean, did you feel like, did you get, once the album was completed, Metal Health, and I hope you don't mind me asking more questions on this. Ask whatever you want. When you had that, did you think this album was going to be as big as it was? And I mean, 40 years later, this is probably, you know, a huge album. It's just like everybody's got a piece of this album. None of us ever thought it was going to be this big and last this long, you know. My confidence in the record wasn't really strong at first. I was thinking, I don't know about some of these songs, but I guess somehow as a package and the songs that we had as the hits in there worked at that time, you know, I don't know if it worked today, but it did then. And what about Chuck Wright? He's in, he's out. I mean that whole, I interviewed Chuck. I interviewed Rudy. I mean, did he, was he, he was in DeBrow. He transitioned to Quiet Riot, but I guess because Rudy was part of the original Quiet Riot, right? That's kind of why he was transitioned back into the band, correct? Yes, you're right. Originally, Chuck was in DeBrow and when Randy and Rudy were in Ozzy and then Randy had his tragic accident, Rudy wanted to come back to Quiet Riot. He didn't feel comfortable and I've been thinking, my person looked in and he probably didn't feel comfortable in Ozzy anymore without Randy. Yeah. I don't know if that's what really happened, but anyway, he came back to Quiet Riot, so we told Chuck we wanted him to come back and we let him go. And so Rudy came back, but before Rudy came back, Rudy had, you know, I'm sorry, Chuck had already recorded a couple of the songs on the Mel Health record. So we, and they were already mixed and everything, so we left him on there and then Rudy did the rest of his album, other than two songs, I think it was. And yeah, Rudy probably was a better fit for that band for what we're about, you know, that was, you know, I kind of liked it in the documentary. I'm sure you've seen it where Chuck goes, well, I'm on the album. I'm on the first album. Look, look, my name's there. My name's there. I think that's one of the funniest moments. I even told Chuck that. I think that's hilarious. Yeah, that's funny. Well, yeah, we've always liked Chuck. He's a great bass player and great singer, and he always fit into the band. But, you know, I guess Rudy was the original guy. And I guess, you know, you got this huge success. Was it success too fast? Was it just too much, too quickly that you could never top, you know, the second album, which was condition critical? Was that the case? Yes, Kevin was mouthing off. You know, this is this people that we've read about this many, many times, right? But was it was a more success over exposure? Perhaps that's the right word that was going on, which led to sort of like that, the sort of the decrease in sort of sales and ticket sales. Well, my my opinion is we had that major success in the first record and when we went to do the second record, that's when Spencer was kind of being a little bit of problematic. We'd bring in all these songs and I don't like none of these go back to the drawing board right again, you know, we saw another year or so. You shouldn't just let us be what we are. Like we were on the first record, you know, probably could have maintained a little longer than we did. Because sometimes when you have that kind of success, all these people come out of the woodwork, well, you guys should do this, you guys should do that, you got how about just us be ourselves, you know, that's what that the mental health down was the songs that we were just being ourselves playing in the clubs all that time, you know, nobody told us telling us what to do. But I think that had a little bit to do with it. And obviously, Kevin, you know, doing his thing, he was, you know, very egotistical guy. And he was really, you know, hard headed about his career. And anything that bothered him, he would mouth off about it. And I respect that he loves his career that much, he fights for it in such a way that maybe pisses people off. But unfortunately, and back in those days, there was no, you know, celebrity rehab or whatever that is called, you know, to iron out things with the press and stuff. But yeah, that was part of the problem that and also the, you know, not letting us do what we want to do. And also the third thing that you mentioned, maybe overexposure, you know, that could be it. Yeah, yeah, I remember you as well. Yeah, which it's funny, guys, you know, parallel, like you just said, in King Cobra second album, the thrill of a lifetime, which sounds nothing like the first. And he said, Oh, that's the way you got to go into second album, you got to do these types of songs. Right. And that was Spencer Proffert. That was Spencer Proffert. It's the same same kind of recipe that they had. Yeah, yeah, you increased that record. It's a touchy situation. You got to know it's like, you don't know what's going to happen. You really don't. But then you had kickaxe, who he produced as well, their first album. And then their second album, it started all sounding a little too commercial. So I think, I think 85 86, there was a lot more hair metal, a lot more melodic stuff, a lot more reverb, a lot more polished. And I guess that's what everybody wanted to do, right? Then this guy came out, right? Corporate rock. That's like a Harvard's in a corporate rock. When you think back to Quiet Riot 3, what do you think? To like I said, to corporate rock, we should have just been ourselves and not try to be too polished and too perfect. And you know, that there was a phase in the 80s, wherever he was doing that, it was too polished. And, you know, well, I mean, I think I agree with you. I mean, I think there's actually a really good album, but maybe just too slick. And it kind of is. It's a good record. It's got songs. It does. It does. But like too slick, maybe overproduced, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then of course, you know, things started falling apart. Then what? You left Kevin in like a hotel room saying, okay, look, Kevin. How true is that story? Tell me how true that story is. It is true. It's indirectly my fault, because when we... It's your fault too. No, it was my fault indirectly. I didn't mean to do this. But what happened was, you know, our tour manager, we were in the hotel, although the hell went down, and our tour manager came to me and he goes, you know, here's your airline ticket. Everybody leaves at 12 noon. And I go, oh, please, can you get me home earlier? I just want to get the hell out of here. Can you get me an 8am flight or 7am? And he goes, okay. So he switched me earlier. And then everybody else got word of it. Oh, we want to go home early too. We want to get the hell out of here. And so everybody got, you know, switched. And I think he switched Kevin. But Kevin was passed out and didn't get the memo. And he stood the ticket center of the door. He didn't get it. And he was like, maybe had a hangover or something. He woke up and everybody was gone. And then the story became the big, they just left me in a hotel room, right? Yeah, right, right. It wasn't intense. We wouldn't do that to the eye, even though we had a little falling out, whatever, we're not going to leave somebody behind. For me, Carlos, Kevin has always been the voice of Quiet Riot. He is. Without him, there's no Quiet Riot. You know, I agree. And, you know, for a guy who's loved Quiet Riot since I was a kid, you know, even the versions today, it's, you know, the songs are good and all, but I don't know. It just, if there's, I don't know, I agree or not, you could answer that or not. But I mean, Quiet Riot today without Kevin is. It's not Quiet Riot. Kevin had a distinguishable voice that you know it's Quiet Riot when you heard him, you know, you can totally tell. Yeah. And I'm not going to say the songs are bad or anything. It's just doesn't, it's not Quiet Riot for me. No, probably not Quiet Riot without me either. You know, me and Kevin were really the ones who wrote all the music for that band. And, you know, the sound was ours. And did they ever call you back saying, come on, Carlos, let's do this? Because I think I've heard from a lot. I've seen a lot of posts saying, bring back Carlos, bring back Carlos. That's all you see is bring back Carlos because it'll give a little more legitimacy to the band, right? To the name. I mean, does that ever cross your mind saying, you know, I'm going to do it or I'm not going to do it? And I know everybody's asked you this question, but I'm going to ask you it because I want to know. Well, Beyonce, they haven't asked. Oh, wow. That's a political thing, you know. And I don't think I would do it anyway. I don't even want to be in a band anymore, Beyonce, with you. And the projects that I'm doing now, I'm joy doing them. And I like, I'm still recording and writing songs with people. But as far as touring and being in a band, I don't know about that anymore. I'm just kind of over a little bit. But as far as being in that band, for sure, I know. I mean, I really jumped off that crazy train once. I'm not going to get on it again. Let's talk a little bit about the new album, you know, we are warriors. And yeah, I got my top three side by side. Maybe you can just add a few comments side by side. I mean, for me, that's got that classic 80s feel that you said earlier. So yeah, that's a really good song. That's a song that they had come up with before I was in the band. They had like about four or five songs before I came in. But yeah, I like all the songs on that record really good. I like turn up the music. Did you say that Alan, which was the one you just mentioned? Side by side. Side by side. I like turn up the music because it reminds me of the 80s. And it reminds me if it kind of feels like that's a type of song that if you had the big massive budgets, you know, the record company would have pushed it on the radio and I could have been like a big hit on the radio. I have to mention another project I just worked on. I got a call from the band Freak Show, oddly enough, Frankie had worked with it about 10, 15 years ago or so. But it's the band that Jeff LeBar was working with before he passed away. Jeff LeBar from Cinderella. And they contacted me actually through my wife and asked me if I would help them finish their record. And I listened to the material, I said send me the material, I'll check it out. It was a really good song. So I told them I would do that. And I just finished up that record too. That's coming out soon, Freak Show record. Where have you been for all these years? I mean, okay, I know you're doing a little stuff here. Have you ever like just fed up? Or you just like fed up with the music? It's already said. I kind of am. I kind of am a little bit. The last time I was doing anything was with Ratt. We toured in 2017, did all kinds of festivals and stuff. And then the band, you know, they decided to fire Warren for whatever reason. And I said, I can't do this without Warren. I mean, I don't want to be in a band with a revolving door of musicians like Quiet Riot had. I'm not going to do that again. So I left. And so I haven't done anything since 2017, other than Rough Riot, which we did only did a couple shows, no recordings or nothing like that. So I've just been home, hanging out with my wife and my pets and take care of the house and things like that. And then I got the call from King Cobra and Freak Show. So I've been working on those two records and writing and stuff like that. And again, I must say that these are the first two records I ever did in my career, where you don't go to a studio with the whole band and record as a band, you know, I did it at home and my one of my bedrooms and a computer and I just send the file to the producer. That's what the world is about these days. It's all digital, you know, you guys know. So the King Cobra album and the Freak Show record, I did, I did that way. I recorded anything that I heard into the song. I send them all the files and they use whatever they want to use and they produce it. And I did a video when we did the Freak Show video, they flew me up to do a video on a soundstage, but the King Cobra video was done individually because everybody lives so far away from each other. And so I had to go to a studio, they had a big green screen and I had to send their new video by myself and like, this is like, there's no camaraderie like they used to be like, come on, bros, let's have a beer and cut this song. It's like, you're by yourself. It's really ridiculous to me. Well, you know, one thing I noticed about We Are Warriors, the song, and that's the video you're referring to. That's like a quiet ride song. There's even little lyrics in there. I wrote that song. Yeah. You wrote the lyrics of that song too. That's a great song. I wrote the lyrics, I wrote the music. Okay. But I hear that guitar tone. That's the quiet ride guitar tone, that lead that you're playing. And I'm pretty sure it's almost you that's playing that lead there on that song. Yeah. On that song, I'm beat all the solos. Yeah. And very impressive. I like that a lot. What are the songs that you like, Alan? Secrets of Lives. I just love the drumming. Oh, Secrets of Lives. Oh, yeah. A good drum figure in that one. Yeah. And One More Night. For me, that's, you know, if you continue on a second project, and I hope you will, I think One More Night is probably the sound that I would define the band off this song. Yeah. That's a good song. A very good song, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think if for God, love hurts. You know, that's a cover. The Nazareth cover of a cover, right? So, yeah. Yeah. Right. Man, you guys, at first I go love hurts, and now they can't pull it off. You know, you can't do it as good as Nazareth did that cover. You know, you did a great job. Yeah, that was Rowan. Rowan did the first solo, and I did the tag out solo at the end. Yeah, that's what I'm going to ask you. Who decided to do, you know, your two great guitars? Who decides to split up the solo? Well, I would play the solos wherever I heard them, and they just use them wherever they want. And then some of them they already had with Rowan on it, so I didn't touch that. I just did the parts he didn't play on. Yeah, it is a tough decision, sure. So what other projects do you have going on? That's just for now. Yes, a lot. I'm sure it's going to pop up. I usually don't have a problem getting gigs. Thankfully, I think my lucky stars, you know, I, I guess people like working with me in this business, I hope so. But I'm around and somebody else hopes me to do some solos on your record. I'm here. So what were you based out of, Carlos? Well, I live in Los Angeles, Northridge, California. Yeah, I asked him that question before you got on. Oh, sorry. It's okay, just kidding. He's like, everybody's over in Nashville or Vegas these days, so. Yeah, that seems like it. Yeah, we, you know, we, we have our house paid off, so if it wasn't for that, we'd probably get the hell out of here too, because California is not fun to live here anymore. The crime is bad and just the price of everything is so way higher than anywhere else. You know, last time I was on Hollywood, on Hollywood Boulevard, I couldn't believe, you know, the, the poverty there or at least what seemed like poverty. Almost gone bad. You kind of scared to walk down the street. Not that I have anything against them, but you are. You are. Yeah, it's scary. You don't know how these people can react. They could be nice to you or they could also pull a knife out of you and try to chase you down. We don't know. It's, it's a mess. Hopefully our new mayor of the city, Karen Bass, hopefully she, she's bound to clean up the homeless best she can. Hopefully it, it works out, you know, because she seems to be doing a good job so far, you know, it's, it's been cleaned up in a few spots that I've seen it before. So. Carlos, I didn't ask you, did you participate in the quiet riot documentary? You know, I didn't. I was out of the band. They called me up and I, it's like those guys kind of screwed me over a little bit. And after that, I was like, you know what? I ain't got nothing to do with these people or this band anymore. And I vowed to myself, I'm not going to ever do anything for that band when I haven't for 20 years. People still think I'm in the band. I've been out of the band for more than 20 years now. I think, I think they love you so much. You know, they, they love your contribution. Well, no, I mean, you've been on almost every single choir riot album, right? With Kevin at least. I mean, people value your, your, your, your input, right? They value your playing. And I think as fans, right, we don't know what the business is going on. We don't know the music business is going on. But as fans, we kind of, you know, we always hope that the people that made us happy in our youth will continue, but it's not always. Right. I agree with that. I was the same way when I was growing up and I'd see somebody leave a band that I like. Oh man, that's not good. You know, every member is important when you're, when you're, they're your favorite band, you know. Is it, is there anything they could do to sort of get you back into the fold? I, there probably could be some things. We'd have to discuss them, but I don't know. It's like a marriage and when you're in a band, it's like being married. Sometimes the marriage breaks up in a bad way and it's a bad divorce. You know, and sometimes, I'm just not. Sometimes it's an amical divorce. It's, it's, you don't know what you're going to get. You know, and unfortunately with Kevin and Frankie, they're so hard headed people. They're very unreasonable guys. They really were. And I'm an easygoing guy, very reasonable guy. And well, me and Alan are here, if you ever want, somebody to broker the deal. You can be my manager. We'll sit here. We'll go, well, what do you want? Okay. What do you want? What makes you happy? Okay. When, where can we find some common ground here? Well, you know, if Frankie and Kevin were around today, I would come back, but without them, I don't think that makes it a no for me kind of, you know, one bar. Okay. That's understandable. That's understandable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to check. By the way, Carlos, Jimmy does this with, every band is broken up. He tries to get them back. I understand that. You know what I mean? My wife, we talk about, you know, that, that show John Taffer, Bar Rescue, you think there should be a guy like that were to reunite bands and, you know, just behaving and get them in line and get this band working again, right? You know, I don't know why they do that. It's like some, like some bands are a easy, easy money making machine. They just can't keep it oiled well enough to be friends long enough just to get out there and work. You know, it's weird. Yeah. It is weird, but, you know, there's a lot of politics and yeah. Yeah. We get it. We get it. We get it. Look, we're going to ask. We're going to ask, right? Because we're fans at the end of the day. Do you have anything else? We got King Cobra. That's, that's what we're working on. I've interviewed Rowan, Carmine or Carmen or Carmine. I don't know which one it is. Vinnie, Kelly, Rudy Sarzo, Kelly Garny. I mean, Kelly Garny, Franky many times. I think we kind of went the whole circle. Never got to interview Kevin. I think I, I think I would have enjoyed interviewing Kevin. I don't know if Alan would have enjoyed it, but I think I would have. He's a good interview. He's a good talker. That guy can talk. He's got a lot to say. That's for sure. Did you have your show when he was alive or? You know what? I would, Kevin, I think, died in 2007. 2007. No, no, no. We started just after that. Yeah. He's been away for 16 years now. Oh boy. Yeah. We've talked to everyone, including, oh my God, what's that girl's name? She was your fan club, Kevin fan club. Oh, Missy. Winnie, Winnie. Yes. Yeah. Talked about her book with Kevin, went through who Kevin was. You know what? To me, he seemed like a great character, a great interview. So what? So what? He, he, he, he mouthed off a little bit like. Yeah. So many artists have mouthed off. Right. Well, he was a really nice guy. He really was a great person, but he had a dark side that would come out occasionally. And he had a substance abuse problem. I'm sure everybody knows that. But, you know, I have to say that Frankie was his bad medicine. When Frankie wasn't around, Kevin was a good guy. But when Frankie would come around, I'll say, get evil, you know, upstream. Well, on that note. I don't think I've ever said that in an interview before. Maybe. There you go. There you go. Terrific. Yeah. You know, we've interviewed Frankie before. And he's always been polite. He's kind. And he was always thoughtful. And by himself, he was great. You know, there, there was, but I've never seen that dynamic because, again, you know, Kevin, we never, yeah, they're both very strong a personalities. Kevin and Frankie, you know, I don't know if you guys know about a personality people, but they're, they're hard to deal with. It's all about them. And, you know, but I always find that Kevin got, they're sort of, they're gunning for him, the journalists are gunning for him at the time in 84, 85. I think good copy makes good copy. And after struggling so long, Kevin didn't, that's what I took away from him at the time. Kevin was vocal about his success. And he well deserved after years of struggling. Like he said, nobody wanted to sign you guys. And, and they, they let him talk. It seemed like, and the more he talked, the more they published. No, no, but what was, what did he say that was so terrible? Like I have that article, I have that original article where he mouthed off. You know, he said he opened the doors. So big deal. He opened the doors. He did open the doors. He would bad rap certain bands like certain bands suck. This guy sucks. Or you would say stuff like that. Occasionally. And a lot of that has become because you had to hang over and he was on bad mood. And then he had to interview a six in the morning when he's hung over in a bad mood. And he's, he'd say whatever would come, you know, he's a personality and a, and a personality people, whatever goes to their head comes out their mouth. They can't hold it in. That's, that's Kevin. Yeah. Yeah. On that note. Sometimes you, you've got to hold things then you can. But that's rock and roll too, right? I mean, to me, he, you guys did open the doors. Everybody, all the record labels, all the record labels did sign bands after you guys had success. Because that's how it always works. Yet he was punished for stating the obvious. And, and I mean, if you want to listen to controversial lyrics, you just put on guns and roses. Well, he said a few wrong things at the wrong time and it became a witch hunt and then trickled down from there. I remember Ron Sobel said once that his Jack Daniels was iced tea. You know, he really did drink. I know people think he's a big wimp or whatever, but he really did drink. He was a drinker. But during the show, when he had to sing, he couldn't drink the Jack Daniels because it messed up his throat. And, and so he would just put tea in there and make it look like Jack Daniels. But he really did drink whiskey. He wasn't, you know, actually on the last no me and now we're talking about the us festival. And what are your thoughts playing in front of so many people that was like you had choir ride, Motley Crue, Triumph, Scorpions, Van Helen and Judas Priest and Ozzy. Triumph, he said Triumph too? Yeah, Triumph. Oh, yes. Yeah, that was an amazing day. It really was an amazing day. We were pretty much a new band. We just started touring our album. It just came out and we started touring with the Scorpions. They took us out and the us festival fell like on the last day or two of their tour. I think we had like maybe two more shows to finish up after the us festival. But yeah, it was amazing. I never, that's still to this day, the biggest festival I probably ever played about my career. And to see all the, you know, 500, 600,000 people wherever it was, it was like jaw dropping. It really was. And, you know, they were hosting people off in the front to cool them down and carrying people away and topless girls in the front all drunk and on people's shoulders. It was crazy. A lot of pink and red flesh. What's that? A lot of pink and red flesh. And there was a, they had everybody's dressing rooms kind of near each other. So we got to meet all the bands and everybody saw each other. It was kind of cool. And it was a really nice day. I would never forget that. And a funny story, Warren D. Martini and Robin Crosby, I think it was them too, that they went to the us festival and they said that they were running in when a quiet ride was playing. They wanted to see us play. They weren't running in it or something. He told me the story about it. Some time or some words like that. Who stole the show at the us festival? Oh, you know, I don't know. I would think, God, I don't know. Triumph maybe. Say it. There he is. There it is. There it is. I was a lovely question. He was hoping. I want to say Van Allen, but Triumph, they were, they were really good. And the way they used their song in the, in the documentary was really good. You know, this is a great documentary. Great documentary. Yeah. All right. That's pretty much it. Carlos, it's a pleasure to have you on the show finally. And thank you so much. I'm sorry it took so long to get on your show. You look happy. You look healthy. That's all that matters. I turned 66 just last month. Unbelievable. Look at me and now we're only 55. We're ready to look like we're ready to croak. I don't know what keeps me young. I smoke pot. I don't know if that keeps me young, but I don't drink very lightly. I drink, but I just don't take life too seriously. I never took the music business too seriously. If you do that, you're going to look old for your time. I try to take care of myself. I don't eat all healthy food. I eat some junk food and some healthy food, but maybe it's just my outlook on life. I don't know. Maybe it's the pot. Yeah, I'm Latin American. Maybe my dad's next to my mom's American. I smoke lots of pot. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. It's legal here. Okay. We Are Warriors is going to be released on August the 11th on Cleopatra Records. That's King Cobra. They're back. I think it's the seventh. Their seventh album, something like that. Seven, please. Allen, correct me if I'm wrong. I think it's the seventh. All right. We'll say it's the seventh. On that note, thank you so much, Carlos. Always, if you ever want to come back on the show to promote anything else, you're more than welcome to come on. Thank you so much for having me. It was great talking to you guys. It was a pleasure. Thank you, Carlos. Thanks again. All the best.