 This is Think Tech Hawaii, Community Matters here. Aloha! How are you doing? Gordon O'Donnell here. Welcome to another exciting and thrilling episode if you're about to talk. Grab yourself a libation, pull up a chair, sit down, and we're going to talk about Lava 1 2018 with our guest, Chris Thelinger. My co-host for at least this week, and then the wandering guy who's done it again. I'm on a short leash over here. Andrew the security guy. Hello, everybody. This is going to be interesting. So we're going to talk about a conference that you're putting on that you're organizing and you get to experience what it's like to put on one in Hawaii, which is a kind of a rude awakening in some ways, but I personally think it's a great idea, and Java, it's not just a cup of coffee, it's talking about this Java conference you're putting on next week, and we'll get a little bit more into that, but what we like to do first is get a little bit of background on it, I guess, like where you're from, where did you go to school. Social security number. Yeah. So I was born in Austria, so I'm from Austria, I grew up in Austria, and luckily I went to college in Austria, which is free. Free. Yes. Free 99. That's a best kind. So I was studying in Vienna computer science, so I have a master's degree in computer science, and at the university I got into compiler technology. So I'm a compiler engineer. I write compilers. Oh okay. So it translates. So it's code into, yes. I used to write in assembler. Oh, there you go. Way back in the day. Yeah, I do, I do chit compilers, so basically we take Java bytecode and translate it into native code immediately. Oh wow. So that's what I did. So I got into this at the university, and I was working on a research JVM, a Java virtual machine at that time, and then I was going to this conference, which I'm actually going to in the beginning of February this year again, it's like this annual meeting of re-software people in Belgium, it's called FOSTA, and so I went to this conference back in the day, presenting what we were doing at the university, and at some point it was 2006 or 2007, I think, Sun Microsystems open source Java. Right. And so suddenly Sun Microsystems people showed up at the conference, because suddenly they were part of the open source community before we hated each other. Yeah, there's been a lot of conversations, boy, C-sharp, but all kinds of things. Right, exactly. So I was in the GNU GlassPath group, and then there was, I don't know if you remember that, there was Apache Harmony, it was TPL versus Apache Harmony. And then I met a few people, Sun Microsystems people, and then one day I was looking for a job, and I contacted this one guy, and they were just looking for a compelling engineer, and so that's how I ended up working for Sun Microsystems. Okay, but how'd you end up in Hawaii? Right. You know, Austria to Hawaii, I know you came here for the skiing, it's obvious, but yeah. Nice. Have you seen the videos of people snowboarding on Manukaea? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I live an hour and 15 minutes from Manukaea. Oh, there you go, yeah. So, it's fun. It's fun. So, yeah, so, and we got a ton of snow up there right now, we have a boat motor. Oh yeah. Austria. Yeah, probably, yeah. There was not a lot of snow last week when I was there now. So, again, what gives you to Hawaii? Right, so I worked for Sun Microsystems in Austria remotely, and at that time we had a compiler team with like five or six people or something like this, and everyone else was on the west coast of the U.S., only me in Europe, which is a nine-hour time difference. So, you know, you finish your work day at five or six p.m., and then suddenly people wake up on the west coast and send you emails. Because they want to work. So, okay, I did this for a few years, but then I said, okay, I can't do this anymore. So, I relocated to the Bay Area, and that was at the time when Oracle acquired Sun. Okay, and you were still with Sun at the same time? Yes. Okay. And then, Oracle, they had acquired BEA before, and then suddenly we had more people in Europe because they were all in Stockholm than on the west coast. You know, but I was already in the Bay Area. So, you were writing Oracle-based apps at the time, or Sun-based apps or machine code? Um, I was always on the compiler team. So, I was always on the compiler team. I work on the Java Virtual Machine directly. I don't do applications. No app dev. So, again, I like pointing that out because people just think, oh, when you're a coder, you just write apps. No, no, no. There's all kinds. Somebody has to make them work. Yeah. No, there's a... And that's not true, but there's this decent amount of people, let's put it this way, not too many that do Java the language. You know, they write the Java Virtual Machine. You have the compiler team. You have the garage collector team and the runtime team. So, all the stuff that you're doing is in this layer and then the application developer layer, those guys and girls are on this side. Yeah. Because I grew up in this piece in your space. Yeah, me too. Yeah. So, this is the space I came up with. That's a cool space, yeah. Yeah. So, these are the cool people, that's where the really deep people are. Yeah. So, it's probably at Sun, Oracle, I don't know, between 100 and 200 people, I don't know, you know, people that write the Virtual Machine and then people who write the core libraries, like the Java code of the API. And then you have millions of people that use Java, right? That's how it works. Sure. So, we built the platform. I don't work... Oh, yeah. I don't work for Oracle anymore. So, you're working on your own? No. I think there's a lot of Java coding sweatshops here. In Honolulu. Yeah, that's true. I work for Twitter now. Oh, okay. They had Donald Trump for me. I was told to not answer questions. I just said say hi. Yeah, I can do that. You can do that too. Yeah, I will. So, I work for Twitter now and there are a few companies remotely, obviously. Right, right. I'm the only engineer as far as I know, or maybe the only employee in Hawaii right now for Twitter, but they wanted me and so they said, oh, yeah, you can be in Hawaii. You can be in Hawaii. And their office is what? Downtown San Francisco, right? Yes. Market Street. Market Street, right near Huala. Oh, yeah. So, we have a friend that was also on the show that has an app development company that are just around the corner from where you guys are located. Well, that's cool. You get to work remotely from Twitter. Yeah. We have an interesting... The guy I got to get you to meet his name is Aaron Nakaoka. He was the first Twitter account in Hawaii. Oh. And what he did when Twitter first came out, he got all these domain names that he had to get back. Oh, is he registered? He registered an outload of them. Well, we still haven't figured out how he got here. I see how you got to the Bay. Yes. True. Right. So, I moved to the Bay area and... He was on track here. Sorry, I know. So, I moved to the Bay area. I lived one year in San Jose, which is, you know, back in... At that time, all the Chava people were in Santa Clara at the old Sun Campus. It was now Oracle, but it was still like... It was like, like, sometimes it was not much different. So, I lived one year there, realized, I don't like the Bay area. I think it's only Work Sleep, Work Sleep, where it does it. Wow. Wow. And then... Culture. I relocated to Santa Cruz, which is over the hill. Sure. That was nice. So, I started surfing. Wow. You know, super hard as an Austrian to surf. I was wondering if we were going to hear that at some point. Yeah. So, I started surfing. Not the surfing bug. Good for you. And then, you know, the water is freezing cold there, and the weather, too. It's like the fog all the time. Freezing cold. Yeah. And then one day, we actually went to Fiji to surf, but we stopped two, three days here on the North Shore. That's nice. Ah. And then... Oh, lo and behold, where the conference might be on the North Shore. Yes. Which we'll debate you about that. You got to hang her out and hang on the fair. Right. So, that's how I ended up. It then took me a little bit to convince Oracle at that time to let me relocate, because I was in the Bay Area, right? Sure. There was nothing in the... And they were getting 20 hours a day out of you. It was easy, right? Yeah. And then, that's basically where the story kind of starts. Why I'm doing this conference is because it was very difficult to get here. Because it's okay if you tell your manager or your hierarchy. Right. You tell them, I want to relocate. Usually, companies... That's not true. Some companies don't have an issue with that. Right. You know, Twitter, Oracle, they let you work. Yeah, you work from home. Right. And if you say, I don't know, I want to relocate to... I don't want to put any states down here. But you said you're from... Yeah, Kentucky. Yeah. So, if you say, I want to move to Kentucky. Yeah, cool. Yeah, good luck. Why? They say why. Right. But no one has an issue with that, right? Yeah. You say, okay, you relocate there or you work from there. Sure. If you say you want to move to Hawaii... It's a whole different story. Yes, guess what happens. And so... So, how difficult was that? Did it take a while? Oh, that's why he's on Twitter. Did it take him a while to bite off? So, I made it work. Oracle let me go, but it took a long time. I bet. And then it was... You know, people heard of it. They got jealous. You know, all that stuff. Wow. And it's just to... And knowing that just because of the name and people... Right. And the activities... Let's put it this way. People associated with the place. Like Hawaii over. Vacation. Like all the time. Sure. Like no one here works. Right, no one works. And you work 20 hours a day here. I mean... I don't, but... Yeah. Consultants that come in from the mainland, they're trying to do BizDev here, and I have clients like that. They go, you guys don't stop. You know, it's like... We're up at 5, 6 in the morning, and we don't stop until 9 o'clock at night. I mean, it's just how it is. And they're going, well, everybody's just like R&R. No, it isn't. So when you got here, oh, the treasure trove of Java developers must have been just sold. He was probably the only one. But he's working on the compiling side too. So even more obscure. So there's not a lot of dev shops in Hawaii that are focused in Hawaii that do work in Hawaii. Huala was the one that only went I know of. Yeah, I don't know. Russell, you know Russell? Russell, yeah. Yeah, because he does his own dev work here. Right. He's done one pump. He does the cryptocurrency point of sale system. Yeah, he was on the show. So he was on the show. But there's not a lot, right? No, there's not. I hope they are more than I know of. So that they come to the conference. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's one of the reasons, right? I wanted to do a conference for the local people. So I mean, that's probably not true, but there are many, many other U.S. states where you have conferences. Sure. Java conferences and all that. Yeah, international. They're all over the globe. Exactly. But you have to, you know, it's, I don't know, if you live in California and there's a conference in Washington, yeah, you hop on the plane and you fly an hour and you're there. But going from here somewhere, it's kind of, you know. It's a hoff. It's a little bit of a hoff. It first hop over the pond. It's five hours, six hours, you know, every time. Yeah, well you're going to be on bite marks later today with Bert Lum and Arayna Zawa. And they're very much, you know, they're very much involved into the side of the industry that you're focused on. So they understand it very well. They've got a lot of contacts in that space. So that's good that you're going to be there because you're going to be also promoting this conference, which we should get into. So what is it? So just give us an overview. We're going to take a break in about three minutes, but just give us an overview of what it is. So I wanted to do it. I called it a Java conference because that's what I know. I usually go to Java conferences. I'm a speaker myself. I go to a lot of conferences and speak about the stuff we do. But it really is a conference about the JVM. Java Virtual Machine. Right. Because you have more than the Java programming language, there are more languages that run on top of the JVM. You have, I don't know, Scala is, I think, the most popular example. And then you have other stuff. You can run JVM. Oh, yeah. You have the JVM system. What do you do for Twitter? Do they run stuff on it as well? So, yes. So Twitter, the reason why, Twitter has its own VM team. Okay. It's not very big, but we have one to make sure that Twitter runs well. I see. So we have three GC engineers to just make sure that all the services, we run microservices, right? They are basically all written in Scala. Okay. And they make sure there are no GC issues. People usually have GC issues. Nice. By GC issue, you mean? Garbage collector. Okay. Garbage collector. Yeah. And they wanted a compiler guy to look into that as well. That's why they hired me. Interesting. So we just make sure that... It's clean and pretty. And it works well for... It runs well, yeah. So my job there is... That's awesome. To run Twitter services more efficiently. Okay. I have a talk about this. It's on YouTube. You can look it up. We'll go check it out there. So like when you say less CPU power. Less CPU power. Yeah. So less CPU saving a lot of money. When you compile, is that how you can see it from what you compile as a kick out air? So all of these routines aren't good or what's the... How do you help it? Right. So the... Okay. Are we ready? Yeah. We're ready. You've got to take a break. Break time. I yelled that from the booth in there. I yelled that? No. Not yet. Not yet. I like this stuff. Yeah. Andrew, the security guard. Chris. And Java 1, Lava 1. Right. Lava 1. Lava 1. Talking about this conference is coming up next week. Monday, Tuesday, yes. Monday, Tuesday. So we'll get into that in a few minutes. We'll be back in a minute. This is Think Tech Hawaii. Raising public awareness. Some plans are made with responsibility in mind. Celebrations are underway. Ready for kick off. MLS clubs and our supporters rise to the challenge. We make responsible decisions while we cheer on our heroes and toast their success. Elevate your match day experience. If you drink, never drive. I'm Helen Dora Hayden, the host of Voice of the Veteran. Seen here live every Thursday afternoon at 1 p.m. on Think Tech Hawaii. As a fellow veteran and veterans advocate with over 23 years experience serving veterans, active duty and family members, I hope to educate everyone on benefits and accessibility services by inviting professionals in the field to appear on the show. In addition, I hope to plan on inviting guest veterans to talk about their concerns and possibly offer solutions. As we navigate and work together through issues, we can all benefit. Please join me every Thursday at 1 p.m. for the Voice of the Veteran. Hello. Hey, hello, everybody, and welcome back to Think Tech Hawaii. This is Abachi Tauke. I'm a new security guy, and I just wanted to remind you guys about the NIP sector, the National Infrastructure Protection Plan. We had some questions come up this week from some of the sectors, and a lot of the security requirements that you need to pay attention to or have been detailed for you by Department of Homeland Security. There's a great website there, so look up NIP sector, NIPP sectors. Go in there, find your sector, and find out what things you need to do if you're looking for some stuff to work on this year to improve the security posture of your organization. All right, we've got Angus in here from the beach. Angus, what's going on, buddy? How are you doing there, lad? Good to see you, man. Good to see you there, Chris. Oh, my God, I knew it. My father, he had a wee phrase about Austria, since he knew it from Austria. It's how he remembered his geography when he was going to school. He said, if Austria was hungry and took a little bit of Turkey, they could dip it in Greece. How do you get all the countries that are close to each other? How do you remember where they were? Nice. Anyway, I tried to be thematic here, so I tried to come up with a wee Java joke. All right. I got a wee Java joke. So here's the question. Why did Java programmers wear glasses? Why? Well, I don't know. Because they cannot see sharp. Oh, come on. I'm leading a geeky guys to get this. Oh, my God. I'm leading a geeky guys to get this. They cannot see sharp. Oh, my God. They cannot see sharp. So there's a boo. The Java purist. There's this boo. Anyway, that's my joke for the day. Thank you. And every segment at the end of every segment, let you ingame free where area B. Hello. The Java guys are pure, man. They cannot see sharp. Nice stuff from Angus. Good joke. Keeping us on theme. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're here with Chris Daylanger. We're going to talk about an upcoming Java event that you should all know about. And Gordo's back. All right. So tell us about level one. So tell us about, you know, level one. Right. And what you, uh, what, uh, well, just tell us about level one first. Right. Yeah. Because as I said, it was difficult to come here, right? And the idea was early last year, I had the idea of doing a conference here. I talked to, he's one of our speakers as well. Charlie Nutter. He's, he's doing JRuby, the JRuby implementation. And so he's going to a lot of conferences and, and he said there used to be a Ruby con, like he said once. Ruby on Rails? Not Ruby on Rails, but he said there was a Ruby conference in, in Waikiki once. Okay. And he, uh, it would, it, one guy made it. He, he lived here. Right. He said, oh, I'm doing a Ruby conference and it only happened once because he moved away. Right. So that's, that's what happened. And then I thought, you know, we should really do some Java stuff here. Um, and I was, you know, Googling, is there anything, is there maybe a Java users group? No. I think there was one at some point, but there is not. Are they teaching Java currently at, at the, on the campuses here? They are. I hope so. Okay. They are teaching on a number of the campus. Are they interested or something like that? They don't have a lot of funding to have a, have a presence that's findable, right? And so I thought, um, you know, we should do a Java-related, you know, conference. Sure. As I said earlier, it's not really Java, but it's, you know, some kind of a conference related to Java, you know, the JVM. Right. And, um, and then I thought, okay, you know, let's pick a time of the year where people would be willing to come, which is January, right? Yeah, great. Good choice. Yeah. It's easy to pull them off the magnet out to Hawaii for IG. So I did that. I created a Twitter account for the conference. It's if you go on twitter.com and it's lava one con, but if you type in lava one, you'll find it. Okay. Um, and then, you know, it went from there. Nice. I, I knew some of the speakers already. And so I, I said, who wants to come and speak. And they were all, yeah, of course, right? Of course. It's Hawaii. Yeah. The company pays for their travel. So they, they don't care. So I have a really good lineup of speakers. They sure do. Um, some really good. Some of these are big names in the industry, right? I know nothing about spring. So I'm actually excited to hear about that stuff. And then I have Charlie come as well. As I said, J Ruby guy. Nice. I have some Oracle people come. Um, you know, Sherrod's coming. And then Mike Dugu, he, I think he's, oh, did he, no, he's still a liquid robotics. Oh, wow. You know where James Gosling used to, he's now gone, but he, he works at that. And they have the, the research laboratory on the big island. Uh, on, on Maui. No, big island. No, on Nila. Nila, where's the research? It's like close to Kona. Yeah. It's right outside of Kona. Yeah. Yeah. Where they do their robot, whatever. Yeah. So he's coming out. I have two women come out, talk about women and technology and things like that. We used to go along that theme with this show too. Why there's not enough women in this business. Yeah. So we have that. Um, all of this stuff will be streamed by Steve. He has a, uh, a Twitter handle called night hacking. So all of the sessions will be streamed live from Periscope. That's awesome. Oh, that's terrific. And it's an advanced conference. And especially like some people who can't be in Hawaii. Right. Can watch it. Yeah. Exactly. It's good stuff. So, and that's free. And you still got some seats. That's free. Yeah. Free stream. They should still come by. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't, it's the, it's the, uh, the lectures or the, the speakers is one thing, but the conversation and the events and all the snoozing and network events because we're a ton of the knowledge transfer. Exactly. Yes. That's true. So I tried to, you know, get people come out buy a ticket and come out. I, I made it as cheap as I could so that people actually come. It's, it's a two day conference. I have 12 sessions. Awesome. Um, So it's Monday and Tuesday of next week. And where, where is it at? Is that a unique location? Yeah. Well, yeah. It's like a location. I know it's, it's the courtyard in Laia. The brand, the new one. So I'll call it the brand new one. Awesome. They, they, um, the Marriott got that hotel. That old hotel. Old hotel. They renovated it. Yeah. And I have not been there since they renovated it. So It's a courtyard. And it's a courtyard by Marriott. You should come out. I should come out. I know. I wish I had thought about this earlier. Um, but so, and that's a great location. Yes. So it's affordable. It is affordable, right? That, that was one reason. Um, at one point I thought maybe it was a, it was a mistake to make it that far away from Honolulu. Ah, I think it's a good idea. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. Um, some people signed up not, not too many. Um, one thing I wanted to do, and that's, you know, why I'm doing this conference is I will, I will. Students that have a valid student ID. Right. They can come for free. Well, so there you go. Yeah. They don't get food, but they can come for free. I mean, you should actually try to get the word out to uh, Kuhuku. Um, high school out there. Yeah. Um, to, um. My neighbor, she's a teacher there. I have to talk to her again. Talk to her. Yes. Then I get her to do it. David Stevens. I just sent it to him. Yeah. David, he's a professor at ACC. Yeah. And also, and so, and he, and all the hats, kids. So I'll send, I'll get this out there. I don't, I don't know. There's a, there's some, I don't know how many of them do coding. Some of them are, a lot of them are in cyber, but there may be some, some interest there. They are not peripheral interest, right? Everybody's, you know, if there's technology going on here, people like to know about it. They may not, they may not, they may just come to hear what's, you know, the future. Yeah. Where we're headed. I mean, yeah, it's, it's all about David is talking about, I can't pronounce his last name. I'm sorry. But David, he's French. De la Basse. De la Basse. Nice. He's talking about this new project fn.oracle came out with. I don't even know what it is, but it's new stuff, right? Another guy, he's talking about JUnit 5. Wow. Right? It's the new JUnit to write tests and it's fine. I haven't used 5 for myself. Wow. So this is cutting it. Yeah. This is all cutting in stuff in Hawaii. Very good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Department of, I think a d-bed. I mean, the governor announced 80,000 new tech jobs paying $80,000 a year or more by the year. For the state. 20 or 30 years. So are they, does the state have its own job and stuff that it needs to do? Not that I'm aware of. I mean, if they, because they buy apps, they don't develop. Oh, so it's not like a development team. Yeah. They're not really a development team. There may be some cities, as may have a few too, but again, it's not, they're not, there's not a development that goes on out here unless you're doing it remotely for somebody. Right. Interesting. But again, they're teaching it in the schools and all these, all these young adults are coming out of school and where are they going to go? If they, if they like what you're doing. Yeah. They, it's hard for them to do it here. Right, right. They're going to have to go somewhere on the mainland and do it there and then hopefully they'll be able to get relocated back with that company here. Yeah. But it sounds interesting that, so apparently you need this, this Java functionality for a lot of different things. Yes. You know, so it's a lot of use cases for it out there. Millions of people are using it all the time. The whole world runs on Java. So everything's running. Everything's running on Java. Everybody thinks it's all running on Microsoft and VMware. Yeah. So if you. It isn't. All your money and all your stocks are running on Java. On Java. Everything. It's like, as soon as, you know, there are a lot of new languages popping up. Sure. You know, whatever, go and you name it and Python, all these machine learning stuff is not written in Python. And when new companies, you know, startup companies come up, they write their stuff in the language they like. Like the first engineers they had, oh, I like language A, so we write everything in language A. I see. That's how it usually starts. Right. And then at some point when companies get big, they realize, oh, we don't scale. And then they have to go somewhere else. And usually what happens is they move on the JVM. It doesn't necessarily have to be Java. Like in the case of Twitter, it's Scala. But they move on the JVM because the JVM gives you the scalability for free. I see. Right. For free. And that's the key. It's free 99. Yeah. And so. Was that a conscious decision? That's open source. Or oh, so it was, that was always open sourced. Well, not always open sourced. Yeah. It was like 2006. That's pretty smart. I see. Pretty smart. Yeah. So what are you hoping the takeaways are for those that are attending the conference? What do you hope they get from being there? I mean, they're going to hear a lot of state-of-the-art stuff. Yeah. Right. Some visionary things as well. Yeah. So besides that, to get the newest information, what do you just say? Basically, it's like there are not enough chops here and then people graduate and they move to California and what not. I met a guy, like a young guy on the plane once between you know San Francisco and the U.S. And that was his story, right? He graduated here and then he moved away. Right. This is my small piece of the puzzle to maybe get more IT chops here, more good-paying chops here and then, you know, local kids can stay here and work here. Yeah. And so if you, you know, it would be great to have a Java users group so that people come together and so I'm trying to do that, too. It's a little bit of a challenge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think you should do that, too. It's a little difficult, but so the conference should be a sign of, oh, people live and work here. And yeah. A sign of life. There are some new opportunities. I mean, this, you know, Java, as you know, it's been around for a long time. Right. But this is new opportunities within that space that no one's jumping on here in Hawaii. They really don't see any of this. And there may be remote working opportunities for them as well. You bet. I imagine if you're new to it, you need a little more space. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. But if you're doing work in New York City and you're doing work in Japan, you can do it in a single business day from Hawaii. That's one of the keys to remember. So you can live, work, and play in Kapolei. Right. But you can do it from both locations. So it's a 12-hour work day? Yeah. That's 12 hours? No. Is it 12 hours? Yeah. Anyway, so again, where's the conference? Where it is? The conference? Yeah. The conference is 15th and 16th. Monday, Tuesday, coming Monday, Tuesday. It will be at the courtyard in Laia. Okay. And the website? Yeah. Well, that's... I didn't buy, like, the main name. So you have to go to Twitter and type in lovable1con. And then that'll click on the link. And then there is a link to the website that tells you where... Yeah. You can buy a ticket or get a student ticket for free. You see... And I found it by Googling just lovable1con. Oh, perfect. Yeah. Yeah. It's getting some traction. Yeah. You see the agenda? Yeah. And the event information comes right out. The conference starts at 8th and there's breakfast. The sessions start at 9 and go until 4. Yeah. And I encourage you. Go out there and get your garden on. Yeah. Yeah. If you're available Monday and Tuesday or one or the other, go out there and meet the speakers and find out what's happening in this space. You may get an idea for a future job that you want to do or business you want to start here in Hawaii. It's working for Chris. Chris, thanks for coming from Austria by the way. That's awesome. We give every one of our guests an autograph solo cup. You've got number 146 in the series. Cool. All right. Thank you so much. You can put all your Java pens in it or whatever. Yeah, I'll do that. So anyway, we want to thank you for joining us and I'll keep in touch with you. We'll find out how it went. Yes. And you're going to be on bite marks tonight. So those of you that are driving in, you can list the bite mics and find out more. You might even be on some of the shows this evening. Anyway, pleasure having you here on the show. Thank you all for listening to and watching Hibachi talk here on Think Tech. And like we say at the end of every show, one, two, three, how are you doing? Oh, how are you doing? I forgot. I love it. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Very informative.