 Hi everyone, welcome. My name is Carmen and I'm a youth service librarian for San Francisco Public Library. Before we begin, I would like to acknowledge that I am in San Francisco, California on the unceded land of the Ramatosh-Alone people. We are so happy that you are here with us to celebrate Asian American Pacific Islander Heritage Month for youth and family with a very special program with Elizabeth Yang and Linda Kaohun of Career Girls. Before we begin, let me introduce them for a bit. Linda Kaohun is an entrepreneur, activist, and community leader based in San Francisco. Linda is also the founder and CEO of Career Girls. Career Girls is the largest online collection of career guidance videos focusing on diverse and accomplished women. And we also have our guest Elizabeth Yang who is a business strategist who specialized in building exceptional customer experiences through inclusive leadership and social networking. She is the founder of Mung Woman Take On The World and is here with us live from Minneapolis to talk about her career journey. This special visit is part of our AAPI program series in which we celebrate Asian and Pacific Islander history, culture, and heritage. A celebration that we believe should take place not only during May but all year around. Thank you for joining us to continue understanding, respecting, and celebrating the diverse Asian and Pacific Islander history and culture from San Francisco and beyond. Check out the AAPI webpage of San Francisco Public Library to see our upcoming events, find great books by AAPI authors and illustrators, and more. And before we start, a huge thanks to the friends of SFPL for their generous support of this special series. We couldn't do this without them. And now without further ado, I present you with Elizabeth Yang and Linda Kahun of Career Girls. Thank you so much, Carmen. We are delighted to be part of San Francisco Public Library's Asian American Pacific Islander program for this month. I'm also very pleased to have the opportunity to be in conversation with Elizabeth Yang who is a business strategist, career girls role model, and the founder of Mung Women Take on the World. Career Girls is a free video platform for women from all backgrounds to be able to share their career, educational, and life journeys to inspire girls to find their own path to empowerment. In November 2019, I had the distinct pleasure of interviewing Elizabeth during our MIT video shoot. So I'd like to jump in and let's have us watch a short clip from that conversation. I am a business strategist and I specialize in building exceptional customer experiences through inclusive leadership and social networking or relationship marketing. Mung Women Take on the World, I had launched that in 2018, but I wanted something where I could have it really once a year and have it be a global celebration of Mung Women and girls all around the world and showing that there were Mung Women that were really diverse from all around the world. And so it was because of these amazing women that we were able to find 60 partners across eight countries and have that represented. So we had Australia, Vietnam, Laos, France, Germany here in the US. And it really started because I really wanted my daughter to feel like she was enough. And I wanted Mung Women and girls just to be like, you know what, I got this global sisterhood behind me. I never would have dreamed that I would be speaking at a conference in front of thousands or leading a workshop in front of 100 people. I never would have thought I could do that. But I really think that looking back when I was a little girl, it really started with having the courage to raise my hand to ask the question or having the courage to raise my hand and say, I knew the answer. And I wanted to share that with the class. A lot of times I was so afraid, even when I knew the answer to raise my hand, and I wouldn't. And I started to realize that if I really want to make a difference in the world, I had to be heard. Welcome, Elizabeth. Thank you so much. I'd like to begin by having you tell us more about Mung Women Take on the World, including some commentary on the images we saw in the video and some of the images we're about to see. So thank you so much, Landa, part of Career Girls for Future Me. And thank you to our friends at the San Francisco Public Library for just this amazing virtual program to just celebrate AEPI heritage this month. So just thank you for this opportunity. You know, Mung Women Take on the World started in 2018 and the vision was really an online global celebration of Mung Women and Girls all around the world. I just thought, imagine the power in knowing that you're embracing your leadership and celebrating with other Mung Women and Girls all around the world at the exact moment. Like, there's just so much power to that. And so that was really how Mung Women Take on the World happened. It's a global online summit that happens once a year. And, you know, I found 100% of this, and I recruit my planning team and other amazing Mung Women to say, let's celebrate just for one day. Let's just celebrate what it means to be a Mung Women and a Mung Girl all around the world. Great. And, you know, in the video and I think we're going to be seeing some images that you've curated for us to really help our audience get some insight into Mung History and Mung Culture. So let's see if we can get some of those images. Yes. Who are we seeing here? Yeah. So Mung Women Take on the World just took a little bit of contact about Mung people is, you know, we're an ethnic group that really started in southern China, right? The Miao Plan. And we are based all over the world from Southeast Asia, Laos, Vietnam, Australia, here across the US. The last time, I think the numbers were like 200,000 Mung Americans here in the US alone. And so, you know, for me, my story really started with my grandfather, who this was taken and was part of the Indochina Independence War fighting communist back in Laos. And that's really where my family, you know, immigrated from here in the US. And, you know, he is such an instrumental part to really remembering my home culture and what it means for me to be a Mung American woman. He lost his leg in the war and he had a family who was the main breadwinner. And, you know, back in, you know, Laos and those countries back in those days is you can probably imagine a person that is handicapped, just the amount of burden that he must have felt or the isolation that he might have felt was huge. But I share this because one of the things that I really just am really proud about my culture is the resiliency that comes from being Mung and the Mung people. And my grandfather became an entrepreneur back in the day. You know, photography was the latest innovation. And he started to take all his money to learn how to take photos. You know, those black and white photos, you know, the little, like he pulled those little, that little veil over your head to take photos. And from the ground up, he built his business and he built his father. And my grandfather at the time helped other families that were had less fortunate, less economic being. He would pay for their sons to go to school. And he really became instrumental philanthropist, but not technically that way. That has been just a really big part of my legacy, my family throughout and really behind when we take on the world. So I share this story to say that, you know, sometimes when life throws you maybe unexpected turns, you really are really tested and you have the power to really turn around. And that is a lesson that my grandfather taught me. And he was a man with a disability that turns his life around and was able to help other families pursue higher education and pay for that. And that's one of the things that he taught me, which is that our strength lies in our differences, not our similarities. And so moment take on the world, Lisa, if you could put the next slide, that'd be great. I just want to show you what that looks like. So you might be thinking, well, it's an online summit. How awesome might that be, right? But we had, in just six months when this idea came about, I had curated 60 partners across eight countries to help me put this together. And so on the what you see there are a hundred stories submitted and curated 46 stories, including right in the corner, a mown man who was brave enough to come on board and share his story about how mown women had paved the path for him in his career. He is in media journalism. And he talked about how so many mown women in journalism were his mentors. And that was such a powerful statement for him to just come together and be an ally with us. Because, you know, a lot of mown men at this time would talk about being mentored and inspired by their sisters or their, their mom. But not many were talking about the mown women that were mentoring them that were not related by family. And when I first launched mown women take on the world, he was brave enough, courageous enough to stand alongside these amazing women. So you have women from Australia, Vietnam, Woz. So that's really what these 46 storytellers were. And then what you see there is me with my daughter Evelyn and my mom. So you have three generations of mown women there. And that little girl now is, you know, soon to be 11 years old. But she definitely was what seeded the start of the moment in the world. And we'll talk about that in a little bit. And then what you see there is this is me celebrating on the day of our first year summit. You have the women who are in classrooms are women from Laos. So my year in Laos is a teacher. And for the day she brought all of her mown women students to join us. And even though the languages were different, where I didn't know Laotian and they didn't necessarily know English, it was really the idea that complete strangers from all over the world came together just to support and solidarity. And it was just a really magical moment. And then there's us in Alaska and Boston, Massachusetts. So that's really what this day was, was really just really embracing each other's stories. And I know I love the work, Linda, that you do because in our stories, we really find strength. And one of the women is that mom, when I was first interviewing her, she was crying. And she said to me, mom, she said, I said, I asked her, what is one of your proudest moments? And she said, here I am in, you know, Vietnam. Like, you know, her word, you know, stupid, not educated, just a nobody. And you want to hear my story, this American educated women, mown women in the US, you want me to tell my story? Why? And she said, she's just like, this is the happiest thing of my life. And I just bawled and cried because that's the power of our stories is not going to each other. Indeed, indeed. And, you know, in our conversation, Elizabeth, and hearing and seeing this photo of your daughter, I know that she was a really important part of the origin story for wanting to create this organization. And so I'd like to know how she responded to this event. And, you know, just a little bit more of why you felt it was important for young women and your daughter to be able to understand that there was a monk sisterhood. So, you know, the mown community in Minneapolis, California, Wisconsin, the tri-states are where we have the largest mown population communities around the US. And how this started was, at the time, my job had relocated us to Boston, and there wasn't a large mown community. And one day, her and I were seven, she was seven, and we were just talking about her day at school. And where we lived, it was pretty diverse where her school had, you know, people from Russia, France, and all around the, it was a very international diverse school for the shift onto. And that night, I happened to ask her, you know, do you tell people, it's cool at your mom? And she said, no. I said, why? And she said, well, I did want what they lacked at me. And she was so adamant that her American name is Evelyn, and that I only call her Evelyn, don't call her by her mom's name at school, which was Snooki or Nucci, which means sunshine and mom. And I remember just in that moment, my heart just breaking because I truly felt that I truly had failed her as a mom and had failed her as a woman because I still get very tired of telling this story because in that moment where you feel like you failed your child as a mom, I realized that what I had to get for granted was the, the abundance that I had in Minnesota, which was being surrounded by many amazing women and leaders and just pioneers. And I realized in that moment that if I just didn't show her what it meant to be a mom, American women, or to draw strength from my cultural identity, that one day she would grow up and I was just thinking to myself, one day the world would tell her she's not the right size, she's not the right color, she's not the right shape, she's not tall enough, something's wrong with her. How's my baby girl going to take on the world that she's not? And I just said, I got to do something. I got to do something. I want my baby to be the moment and take it on the world because I have been in it too. I have been in the board rooms where often I'm the only woman, let alone the person of color in the room. And I just go back to my culture and identity and I say, you know what? If my parents could leeward to cross the Macon River to come to the US, dart over with no language, no English language, no money, I can walk into that board room. I can do an hour with them, right? If I didn't do something, she would never have strength from what really is my cultural identity. And so I said, you know what? I couldn't do something. What am I going to do? And so I leaned into my strength, but that's really where the birth and then we need to take on the world to them. And it really started with her because I just really wanted her to know how important this was to me, how big of a deal it was to apartment my baby, the work that I did. Oh, Elizabeth, that is such a beautiful story to know that is really, you know, this vehicle for celebrating cultural pride and empowering women came from a mother's love for her daughter in making sure that there was a legacy that she could draw upon and now girls everywhere can draw upon that legacy. You spoke a little bit about the woman from Vietnam. Are there more stories that you can share about the impact that the conference or mong women take on the world have had on the participants? Yeah, oh my goodness. I have so many stories that I could share with you. But what I will tell you is, for instance, finding a mong woman in China was probably one of them, this just shows you what women and girls won't care capable of because I wanted representation from eight countries and China has millions of people. It's like a needle in the haystack trying to find, hey, I'm going to find one mong woman in China to share her story. And keep in mind that China is communism. So Facebook and YouTube are blocked. So you can't even access that, right? And so I literally was like, how are we going to find a mong woman who spoke the need of language in a dialogue that we could actually understand? It was like a needle in the haystack. And I lean into my leadership team. I leaned into the mongster hood and I said, who do we, can we find a mong woman in China? And the kid cannot, brandy, the universe collided. And one woman said, you know what? I told Mandarin Chinese when I was in, you know, at college, I talked to my professor by networking, by connecting. We found one mong woman in China through WeChat and connected with her. And she could understand our dialect and we could also understand hers. And she had this amazing story of really, she had this beautiful, you know, embroidery shop. So you're looking at some of the beautiful traditional mong clothing. And in her, she said, you know, in mong. In my younger days, when I would sing, I would come to the US and tour. But now that I'm older, I can't do that anymore. And she, what she ended up doing was she's not started her own business doing tailored rotaries like this, right? And she built herself a business, a single mom. And she said to me in her store, she said, Elizabeth, I know that I humbly don't have a lot, but I have enough to live on. And what she's doing in China is she's sponsoring other mong girls who are, who are orphans to go to school. So as you can probably imagine, outside of the US and other countries, you have to pay for basic education. And so through her business, she was helping orphans go to school and just sponsoring the women, mong girls going to school and helping them. And she had no reason to, but that's what gets back. So that's just one story. We have so many others that really have been limited on the world who's been able to bring up, you know. And then, and then as we have this photo up in the slide, can you tell us a little bit more about what we're seeing? These are women who are in traditional clothing? Of course. So as you can imagine, right? So you have mong people that are all around the world from Laos to Vietnam to Southern China to here in the US. And so even within our ethnic groups, there are certain dialects of different groups. So there's mong dung, which is, you know, mong white, which is more of the mainstream mong language than most mong people speak. And then, and so if you're looking at the photo on top there with the women wearing their style, which is that silver necklace and the green shape, which is kind of the little belt around that, that generally is an outfit that that mong white would wear, right? And then you'll see that to the left where the women with the little back and on the back, that design is what we also have which is like mong black, right? It's another dialect and that's influenced a lot by Vietnam and some of the photos there. And then to the far right, you'll see these women wearing more of the really fancy embroidered skirt. And it's almost a fusion of what we call our mong green or mong lang or mong jock, and almost like a China influence sort of design. And so you'll start to see that our traditional clothing, like many, many traditional outfits are our fusions of where, where people grew up and inspired to buy. So that's just a little bit about what this is. And most of the time you'll see these women dressed up, not in everyday wear, but to celebrate the new year. So traditionally, you'll have a lot of women dressed up in some of their most beautiful gown to go to the new year and hopefully, you know, find the love of their life. And you have the men just dressed up and, you know, you bring your most beautiful outfits out to the ball, which is ball top, and just get to know each other. And the women would think, yeah, which is a traditional song or almost like poetry, you know, to just really get to know each other. So that's where a lot of the traditional clothing comes from. And then Elizabeth, sort of summing up the experience of starting the organization and having the conference. What was the, I don't know, the greatest achievement, you know, when you look at that experience for you in terms of doing the work? Well, I think I'd be outside to everyone else. You know, we launched, I launched known and taken the world. We took six months to make it happen. I crowdfunded $30,000 to host the celebration. I've never done that before. And we had 46 storytellers, 60 partners across eight countries. And so, you know, that was that it just made me realize how amazing women and girls are when we truly come together. But I think my most greatest achievement is probably with my kids because three months after I launched known and taken the world, we were sitting around dinner. And I remember, we were talking about what are you most proud of today at school. And my daughter said to me, she said, Mom, today at school, I told somebody I was known, and they didn't know what that was, but I didn't mind. And to me, a seven-year-old now embracing that was huge. And even for my son, Evan, who at the time was nine, that year he went to the New Year celebration and he proudly wore his traditional known outfit for boys. And in the past, it was always a struggle, an argument, to wear it. And he wore it. And he also wore, we had our heart logo t-shirt, and he would rock it. And then on the one morning, I woke up for an interview and he said, he said, Mom, get somewhere, I'm wearing your momentic on the world shirt. It's pink, but I don't mind. And I said, why are you wearing that? And he goes, because you have your wide interview today and I want to support you. And he was nine years old. And so to me, that's what success is. It's truly saying, I don't know what this is all about, but I'm proud of it. And whatever that is, I mean, if people don't understand it, it's okay. I understand it. And I accept who I am. Beautiful. I love that story. And speaking of stories, why did you decide to share your story with career girls when we came knocking? Well, Linda, I just love, love, love the vision for career girls. I really wish that I had it growing up, right? Just that diversity across globally and just like anything. And to me, that representation is so key to just my mission in life and diversity and inclusivity. And I really wanted to share my story because I wanted a girl to anywhere out there, whether women or girls, say, ah, she either looks like me or her background and stories are similar to mine. And if she really could do it, I think I might. And that really starts with, you know, girls raising her hand and being able to say, Hey, I know the answer. And I want to share that. And there's no shame in that. There's no embarrassment. There's no like weirdness about it. It's just, I need the answer. And I'm going to share that with you. And it really does start with raising your hand. It is that simple. And if I can inspire anyone, a woman or girl, to do more of that, then, you know, I want to stand alongside that work. And you know, Elizabeth, we frequently find that sharing a store, their story, not only empowers the listener, but it also transforms our role models. I'm very curious to see what's changed in your life since our interview. Wow, so much like, um, so this year, you know, Momentum World was inspired by my daughter. And, you know, this year I joined, um, Mone Giving Impact Network, which is the Mone Impact Giving Network, which is all about inspiring philanthropy and giving. And they serve not just Mone Women and Girls, but also the broader community. And I said, this year I'm going to make time in my schedule to do this for my son, right? Like my son. Cause when I launched Mone, Take On The World, he said, Mom, what about me? What about me? And I said, you know, I don't know what it means to be a Mone Boy. I know what it means to be a girl and a woman, but I haven't forgotten about you. And so this, I think that's the biggest work is now that I've done Mone Women and Girls. How do I continue to build and empower our Mone Boys to be allies alongside our empowered Mone Girls? That to me is really important as well. So I'm doing that. We moved back to, you know, Minnesota and now I'm just running my business full time. And I'm really focused on helping get more diverse entrepreneurs into the marketplace, heard, seen, and able to create a good living so that they can continue to serve a diverse multiple place. And so my diversity and inclusion and representation passion continues to show up in different ways. And that is the work that I want to stay committed to doing. Great. Thank you. And for everyone watching this webinar, how can we learn more about Mone culture specifically, but then also as we are in this error of more media attention paid to violence and discrimination against the Asian American Pacific Islander community? What does being an ally look like for people who want to support our Asian American Pacific Islander brothers and sisters? That's a great question. A couple of resources I know, because I'm very familiar with Minnesota, we have the Minnesota Historical Society, which has a timeline of the Mone women first that pioneered. We also have a Mone Museum, which is a virtual Mone Museum that people can just search up and learn more about the Mone culture and really be a part of documenting the stories and firsts from all around the world. And I think that's those are some available resources for anyone that wants to learn more. And our biggest populations are what I call the tri-states of Minnesota, Wisconsin, and California, but we're really all over the world. And to answer your question about being allies, I think it's a really tricky conversation sometimes. And I often say that it's got to start from a place of curiosity. A place of curiosity. And you can start from a place of curiosity and ask yourself, if you were in those shoes, would those same decisions, reactions, consequences happen to you based on your skin color, based on your gender, based on your circumstances in your lifestyle? And if you can honestly say no, that wouldn't have happened to me if because I'm not Asian or I'm not Black or whatever it is, then speak up. Speak up from a place of compassion and curiosity. And you don't have to have the perfect words. You don't have to know what to say. All you have to say is, I stand with you and how can I support you? That's it. Those are just two simple sentences that anybody and everybody can do. You don't have to know the answer. You don't want to be the one solving other people's problems, right? But I think that's the most important thing that as an ally is that you do not stand silent. That if you stand silent, you're tolerating something that other people are. And I know it's scary, but like I told my kids, this is what courage has to come in. You don't have to understand them. And it's not either or. It doesn't mean there's not enough room for both of you to coexist. All you've got to say is, how can I support you? That is the most, that is a question that each of us can ask each other to be better allies in the community. Thank you. This has been a great conversation. I'll see if we have some questions from our audience coming in, but it's been wonderful to hear your story and what's happened since we did our initial interview with you in 2019. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Thank you, Linda. Hi. So if do anyone have any questions, feel free to type it in chat or the Q&A on Zoom or also the chat on YouTube too. So while we're waiting for questions, I have some questions. So for Elizabeth, so what are the upcoming plans for a Hmong woman take on the world? Like any virtual events coming up? Great question. So we just wrapped up our second online summit just past October. So our third one will be happening in fall of 2022. So if anyone's interested in being a part of that journey, just send me a message, reach out. But my next inspiration project is to launch the Hmong women leadership event. And that will be part of Hmong women world where I want to be able to provide an apprenticeship program to redefine the look and feel of what it means to be a Hmong women leader. And especially with just online and leadership and diversity, all digital nowadays, it's really about how do you be a leader online and show up to influence to drive the change that you want to be? You know, a lot of the younger generation that I'm seeing now want to be influencers, I need to, but they're embracing their leadership. And I think that's because especially in the culture, the definition of Hmong women leadership is very black and white. And a lot of the mainstream women have to use their names that, but I think that it continues to diversify what it means to be a Hmong woman leader. And I want to think of an apprenticeship program to show women how do you lead, but more importantly, how do you drive change in social media and being online to do that? And we have a question from Linda to Elizabeth. How has your mentoring changed since the interview? That's a great question. Since the interview, I've had people that have reached out for mentorship. And the hardest thing is that I want to talk to every single woman and mentor every single one of them. There's only one of me. And so I think what's changed the most for me is to think of all of the work that I'm doing, whether it's like fair with the San Francisco Public Library or when I'm teaching and a training on a live stream on social media or anything that I'm doing as mentoring moments. My intention is really, what is that teachable moment that I'm going to just put here so that anybody who watches this live on the replay hopefully can get some sort of mentoring moment to walk away with? And that's really how it's changed since the interview, just recognizing the power of being online that you can continuously mentor just by being online and being very intentional about creating teachable moments to share the path on. And here's another question. What's most challenging in moving forward with Hmong Woman Take On The World? Yeah, so I think the most challenging thing in moving forward with Hmong Woman Take On The World is when you start something really new, there is a lot of inspiration that a lot of women get. And so they are starting to grow through. They think aging because you should have a community for everything, or for those who feel like you want to create that space. But I think the most challenging thing is really being able to be involved. It's a lot of solidarity that needs to come together. And so, you know, also I get the question of, oh, how are you different from this group, or how does that feel different? And if it comes on this, like, either or conversation? And I kind of remind people that it's really about, wow, how amazing that we've progressed that we now have options. Like, if Hmong Take On The World isn't for you, there's another option for you. And so I don't see it as like one being better than the other or competition. I rather see it as amazing that you have options that you can find a community to be a part of, even if it's, you know, being a Hmong woman. And so I think that challenging is like, okay, great, now we have all these different communities. How do we all come together collectively, right, for the greater good? And, you know, I'm always thinking about that, because especially with no women around the world, the language is definitely a barrier, whether English or French or or a lot of Vietnamese or Mandarin Chinese. But what I have found is that, you know, if you put the invitation to say, hey, I really need someone to help me translate, does anyone know how to speak French or Mandarin or Vietnamese or whatever, with the power of social media online, people come. They come. You just have to have the courage to put that image down into the world and ask for help. Great answer. And we also have a question from YouTube. What's the one thing that you want people to know about your culture and heritage? You know, Hmong means the free people. And I think that one thing I've learned about my culture, not having, quote, a country of our own, we're often mistaken that Hmong sounds like Mongolia, Mongolia, but we actually don't have our own country. It's resiliency. It's the ability to go into a foreign country and reinvent yourself and start over and still hold the peace of your Hmong culture, but also still appreciate the culture of the country that you're a part of. And that multicultural identity is really what makes, you know, what I believe the Hmong culture truly resilient. It's the ability to evolve, adapt, and be a part of the country that you're a part of. And to me, that's resiliency. Great answer. Another question is, what did it feel like the first time you had the courage to raise your hand in class? Oh, sometimes I think it's hard because I didn't want to get teased if things smarted me. You know, we're such a smart man. And there was, I think also a stereotype being Asian and a girl that I was somehow smarter because I was a girl and Asian. And I felt like I had to live up to that. And you know, sometimes I need answers, other times I didn't. Like for example, math is not my strength at all. But I think it was always whatever it was society or the culture to think, you know, what are people going to think of me? And, you know, I think having teachers that were really encouraging that said, you know, when you raise your hand, it's not about being the know-it-all, but it's really about starting a conversation, you know, and just hear that answer and just start the conversation. And I think that really was like the big hot moment where the light bulb went off and it was like, it's not about being smart at all. It's about, I just want to start a conversation and change that dialogue, you know? But I've been starting conversations then. Yeah, I also felt the same way too of like being shy, especially as like Asian-American. I was like, I'm sure if I should raise my hand in class. But I think like having a role model is like what empowered me more to like also speak out too. So I think that was a great answer. All right. And I think one more question to wrap up. All right. So what is a piece of advice that you can share with young people watching this webinar? Yeah, at least I could pull up that last slide. That'd be amazing. You know, I would say that diversity and inclusion is so important to me. And this is like, you know, for young people that are watching, you hear a lot of adults talk about diversity and inclusion and representation and represent racism and discrimination. And what does that really mean? And I want to just leave you with this because I think we've all been to a party or a dance where everyone's having fun except you, right? And so I think of diversity as really an invitation to the party and being inclusive is really being invited to dance. And I just hope that you can remember that because that really is what representation with diversity and inclusion really is about. That feeling of you're invited to the party and you can have fun and be part of the dance. And so, you know, I just want young people who are watching to remember that feeling because it doesn't have to be complicated like racism or discrimination. It's really that simple. If you're afraid to go to a party because you have no one to go with and you feel sad because you are invited to the party or you're there but then everyone's ignoring you and they're all dancing in the group and you're the only one there and no one, you know, they're inviting you to dance. If you know that feeling, right, then open yourself up to simply inviting people to the party, which is all about diversity and being inclusive of just inviting them to dance. It's just an invitation. They can always say no and it's completely okay for that. But be the first one to extend that invitation. Wow. All right. Thank you, Elizabeth and Linda for an amazing and inspiring conversation. Do you guys have any words of farewell to our audience? Yes. Well, thank you, everyone for this opportunity to really demonstrate what Career Girls is all about. We are a platform for diverse and accomplished women, inclusive in getting them to share their advice and wisdom with girls around the world. And one of my great pleasures in life is when I get a chance to interview women like Elizabeth and witness and capture their stories. So thank you, everyone. And likewise to Linda and thank you to Career Girls and the San Francisco Public Library for an incredible platform like this happened. It's amazing. And so I just want to just share with everyone that it's really us planning to see the possibility in each other that really allows us to grow. And so just continue to support each other as much as we can. I want to give one last thank you for Linda and Elizabeth for joining us today. And I also want to thank you all for also joining us today. If you love today's program, check out our calendar for future virtual API programs. And next week, we invite you to join us for a very special program with talk story we've took on May 25th, where you can meet Pacific Islanders in STEM where they share stories, success, and tips to inspire, empower, and connect them with their community. And that's it for today, folks. Take good care of yourself, stay safe, and we hope to see you all at another library program soon.