 Hi, everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. Today, it's our honor to have Matt LeCroy, host and creator of Matt LeCroy's ancient history YouTube channel. It just focuses on all sorts of things and I don't want to, you know, do a long-winded introduction on my end. I rather you be able to say to our audience exactly more about what you do and who you are if you don't mind, Matt. Sure. Thanks, guys, for having me on. I really look forward to this discussion. I am a young, passionate researcher and writer, I guess you could call me, where like many that delve into this and get curious about a lot of this alternative history and trying to question and understand better the nature of reality in the world around us. I, from a very young age, really was just a very inquisitive and very unique person. I think a lot of, I actually think that I, the way that my enthusiasm and intense energy would really, a lot of people would either really like me or they really wouldn't like me at all. It was an interesting road and I, because of that though, I was, I spent a lot of time really alones, hiking and really exploring the wilderness and pushing myself in that way. And it wasn't until later on that a lot of the questions that I would constantly have when I was out doing things, I realized could be found in a lot of ancient texts and a lot of the books and the knowledge that really we weren't taught in school and the things that we weren't really privy to. And so that was what put me on the road of saying, hmm, so there's a lot more to all of this that can be found with the inquisitive person who wants to go learn and put together all of this. And as we'll get into, it has, it's not just about ancient wisdom left behind from ancient cultures, but it's about an entire paradigm of us being far greater than we're told than having a story that's far older than we're told in school. And so that journey of well saying, well, what is the real story and who are we and how far back do we go and how sophisticated were we back then? And you know, how does that translate into now? Those kinds of questions really have driven me and taken me on a journey and a path that I never expected 10, 15 years ago to the point where now it's really just quite a deep passion of mine to try to understand these truths of our past and how it relates to now. And I have to say from our side, we, I love history and I know our host here, the other host of it, we all love history because it really does build up to who and what we are today. Oftentimes when we see the world around us as a compilation, or it's a buildup of things of prior events, right, that lead to what we're at now. I think it's fully, fully to try to understand the world around us without thinking about the history. A lot of Buddhists had said that the world around you is composed of three things, right, your past, your present, and your imagination. One of the things that you talk about, and I think that is very interesting, I myself found watching almost all your videos, to be honest with you, there was a couple of discussions you had about the ancient city of Iridu. I think what was the most interesting discovery that you've made? I don't want to put any words in your mouth or anything like that. So far, because there's so many mysteries out there, which one has been the one that you've been focused on the most lately? Well, I think that the story of Iridu is a very sad story. And for those who don't know the significance of Iridu or have never heard of it, I can give a little bit of a background into all of this. So when we look into the narrative that we're told in school, that human civilizations are only 6,000 years old, and they slowly developed to the point where we're the most sophisticated in terms of our knowledge that we've ever gotten when you really look into the compilation of all the ancient texts, and then you look into these ancient structures and these cities and these ancient tablets, you find out where really that's not the case at all. In fact, we're quite a shadow of our former self in terms of our understanding of the universe and energy and what the planet is and how it relates to the cosmos and what we are and consciousness and how we can use the ability of our imagination and creativity to do so many incredible things. And what comes out of that is when you start looking at all of this in a different light and you say, okay, well, so the things that we're told in school about human civilization being 6,000 years old, we know that's not true. We know that civilizations have come and gone in a timeframe that is 3, 4, 5 times longer than potentially that. We're talking about something that goes back well over 12,000 years ago, over 20,000 years ago, potentially over 50,000 years ago. This story that seems to have so many layers like an onion where civilizations have emerged and developed and become in their own way sophisticated and then they were destroyed in great catastrophes and then they had to rebuild again and reintegrate that knowledge. And the problem is that every time that that's happened, more and more of that original knowledge has been lost. So it's not really this linear perspective like we've been told where we're at the point where we've developed now to the most sophisticated in terms of our understanding. We're actually trying to catch up to much of what they knew. And so how does that relate to Eridu? Well, in those ancient tablets in Mesopotamia, the Cuneiform tablets from the earliest civilizations that ever existed, the ancient Sumerians, not the later Sumerians that were taught in school, we're talking about a culture of civilization in the Feral Crescent that goes back well over 12,000 years ago and different versions of them have come and gone. And the original Sumerians wrote these incredible texts that have been amassed in great libraries on these Cuneiform clay tablets that tell this story that is completely different than we're told. And what they all state, whether it's Eridu Genesis or the Sumerian king list or Uruk Vista kings and sages or the myth of Adopt, so many of these tablets state that, look, there was a city that was the first city ever created here, not like it just randomly a bunch of nomadic hunter-gatherers decided to group up in the Feral Crescent of Iraq along the Tigris and Euphrates rivers and create something. No, it was created there for humanity to sort of rise up in civilization and Eridu was that very first city ever created. So in many ways, to me, that should be like this world landmark of our start. And it should be, and it is one of the most important ancient ruins and locations anywhere in the world. And the tragedy behind that is because of the control system that does exist with history and the narrative of history and protect and through religion and how that has connotations with some of these ancient creator gods that are told in the tablets to have created this, this city has been, is the greatest tragedy of any ancient site in the entire world. And it's been left completely abandoned in the deserts of Iraq. And it's just being looted by black market individuals. And there's no protection on that site. And the actual Ziggurat Temple itself, which is where all the most significant parts of the city has never even been excavated by archaeologists. And before someone says, well, that's just a, it's just a means of slipping through the cracks. No, this is my opinion, it's the greatest tragedy of any archaeological site in the world that has been deliberately left abandoned because of how it could completely rewrite our entire narrative. And as I've talked about in some of my previous shows that you've probably seen on Eridu, you can see photographs of it from the last year or two that show this temple has seashells all covering the top of this, of this ancient eroded temple mountain, which means that that could have only happened from some great catastrophe that led to the oceans rising up and covering over it, which is exactly what the tablets state. They say that it's a pre-diluvian, pre-flood, pre-disaster city that was then destroyed and essentially is left abandoned there. And so today, what I'm trying to do is help bring awareness to a site like Eridu. And that's why I created that campaign to protect Eridu. And I've done numerous shows on it from Gaia to my own YouTube channel and others where I basically want to point out, look, there's no one else doing anything to protect this site. And we have to, as a collective society of people, band together to make enough noise to change this entire system here where certain sites that fit the narrative are uncovered and worked on. And then these places like Eridu that are like almost like forbidden archaeology are left deliberately to the wolves so that all of their artifacts can be stolen and sold. And then no one can find the truth about how it was an ancient city that is truly would reset our understanding of how far back civilizations here go. So why is it, why is it that you think that nobody wants to like take a team up there and try to like, you know, dig up this site? Like is it because like you said, it doesn't fit the narratives going to change the narrative? Or do you think people like are scared to see what they might find out? And like, it's going to be like a culture shock where everything like, oh, you know, there actually was like ancient civilizations that lived here before us. Like why is it that you think that nobody really is trying to go after this, these buried sites? Well, that's a good question. And it gets into how certain sites like you look at, for instance, they'll uncover like ancient Roman sites and they can say, oh, look, the Romans were around during this time period. And so we can fit this in neatly into this narrative that we're told in school again, how civilizations arose 6,000 years ago in that region in the Fertile Crescent, but that they're and that they progressed to, you know, things like Egypt and the Indus Valley civilizations. But what we find is that the narrative is actually a lot more complicated than that much older. And Eridu is a problem because Eridu presents a situation where the evidence that's found there completely destroys the narrative. And people who don't know this narrative, it's the education doctrine of in school that has been developed by the Rockefellers. You have to teach that civilization is 6,000 years old. And Eridu is a problem because Eridu presents a situation where it proves that our story and these civilizations are far older than that. But it gets it's deeper than that. We're talking about a situation where because of religion also and how it's demonized certain concepts and certain symbols, like the famous symbol of the serpent that we find through biblical references, that goes far, far, far back into this city itself where Enki, that one of these creator gods, these Mesopotamian gods, that was the one is his patron city of creating this. This was a demonized figure within religion. And so you're seeing two avenues that are basically working together to make sure that this site doesn't ever see the light of day. And it's the powerful Christian, the early Holy Roman Empire, later Christian Empire religions that emerged and still are powerful today through the Vatican and Rome, but also through these educational doctrines that have been established by things like the Rockefeller Institute where this site is off limits for so many reasons. And I can give a little bit of background for those on this site itself. It was in 1849, Austen Henry Laird found an ancient library in known as the Ashurbanipal Library in Nineveh, Iraq, and it contained this massive amount of cuneiform tablets. And in those were many of those tablets that I mentioned before where they talked about specifically in there, well, look, Eridu is the first city ever created and it existed before the flood, the great deluge of the Younger Dryas catastrophes 12,800 years ago. And it says that in every tablet. So what happened? Well, in the late 1800s, before this control system of the narrative existed, they did excavate the main city of Eridu, and they found all these incredible tablets, and those are on display today in at the University of Oxford. We can still see that, but what happened in they excavated up until 1946 1948, that one part of that city and they found all these relics and artifacts and then poof, something happened. Someone's organization, these these powerful entities that exist that control this, they basically shut this entire program down. And since 1946 1948 time period, that site has never been touched by archaeologists ever again. But more importantly, that the main part of the site that's separate from the city that the Great Temple of the Ziggurat that I mentioned, which is where most of the secrets would be, that was left completely untouched and unexcavated, like it was deliberately not looked at. I think they they knew what would come out of that. And so since then, how do we know what's come out of there and all these images? There are pictures on Google of people have uploaded just like citizens of Baghdad, Iraq and other places who have just figured out that the city's there, that it's ancient and it has all these relics and it's been abandoned. And they're just flaunting that they're walking into the site and there's no fences. There's no there's no infrastructure at the site at all. It's literally completely abandoned. And they're going in and finding these tablets sticking. We have this one because we have pictures showing that they're they're like bragging and showing them in their hands and everything. These tablets just sticking out of the ground that they're just picking up without even having to excavate the site. They're just all that's how crazy this is. They're picking them up and they're flaunting that they have them and they're just selling them on the black market. And that is the situation right now with the most in my opinion, the most important ancient site in the entire world. I wonder, I keep thinking about what governments would gain from, or maybe I guess they would have everything to gain, or maybe not just government, just entities, societies that just don't want information that contradicts the narrative, contradict what we know about history. It would rewrite the way that we understand ourselves and our entire, you know, evolution, creation, our starting process. I think back to the libraries, like you mentioned in Ashurbanipal, the one that we also see in Alexandria, all these times in history were collections of free thinkers and people that are really, truly going after truth and knowledge all collected in one place. And unfortunately, some or some other events, whether it be accidental on purpose or just a sign of the times occur and then that knowledge is gone. I see the same type of thing happening nowadays where we have, you know, arguably most, if not the greatest amounts of human information that we think available now, but it's sitting on servers, whether it be on Google, or whether it be on Bing, just computer servers that allows this information, something were to ever happen, then that's lost to us. But I think now we try to conserve both knowledge and life. The animal lives, you know, species of fish or cats or whatever it is, endangered animals, but our entire history is on the line and yet no one pays attention to the fact that, you know, this is, like you said, they're being sacked and nobody's doing anything about it. To me, it seems so strange. If it was anything else, if it was the history of national arts or whatever, being, you know, sacked the way that that is, it would be an uproar or be a stop to it immediately. But for some reason, this isn't. Do you have any running theories on what other reasons that could be for this like blind eye that's being turned to this, to these events right now? I guess that's a hard thing to answer because a lot of people don't like to realize that things aren't really the way that we're told and that there are there are powerful individuals that orchestrate a lot of things around the world and also manipulate and protect certain narratives and doctrines. And it's not simply a system where you go like you go to school as an archaeologist and you get a degree and then you are free to make your own opinions and determinations based on the evidence of a site. That's not the world that we exist in today. We exist in a world where in around 330 AD, Constantine created and transformed the Roman Empire into what's known as the Holy Roman Empire. And that is actually where this entire story begins about controlling the narrative and destroying the past. It began there and in Constantinople with Constantine creating what was known as the Holy Roman Empire. And what they realized was that they could rewrite the entire narrative to fit their own version of history. And the way that they were able to do that is by going out and conquering and destroying all of the previous ancient knowledge that existed before the monotheistic Christianity was adopted by them. And so the Library of Alexandria, the great Egyptian Library of Knowledge, was burned down by the Romans. And then they went and destroyed Egypt. And then they went through and destroyed the Gnostic writings. And we found them marching around throughout Europe and the Middle East and basically conquering and burning and destroying everything they could along the way. And so what happened was that some of these ancient pre, they called the old religion, the pre, the groups that had the ancient knowledge from those earlier civilizations, they had to hide their knowledge in caves and bury it. And they knew that it was being sought after for destruction. So when we look at something like the Naqamadi scriptures, the most important of all the Gnostic writings, that was found in a cave that was hidden within along the Nile River that was some ancient Egyptian knowledge. They had to hide it. They had to hide it. And that's why, when we look all around the world at these forbidden texts, ancient, even ancient Hebrew texts like the Book of Enoch and a lot of these other ones that and the Egyptian Book of the Dead from Egypt, they, you find that all of these original teachings that are described in later Christianity and these stories about great floods that are in the Bible, they all are predated by these writings, but they rewrote them all in a different way. They rewrote them in a way that it shows certain individuals throughout history as being heroes and who were actually the conquerors and were the bad guys. And a lot of the influences of both religious texts and just historical narratives are so biased and so inverted that when we look at all of this, we have to almost tear down those antiquated viewpoints and start over again and say, well, okay, well, let's look at the evidence and have that determine where things go. So why, how did this happen with Eridu? Well, Eridu is the most significant of these ancient pre-Diluvian Sumerian cities. And it's the one that was the sole principal city that was a patron city of this ancient Mesopotamian god Enki. And that god Enki became the most demonized of any individual in figure throughout history. And so this city has been abandoned and left in the way that it is for many reasons. It really is a very complicated situation where just like the biblical story of like the Garden of Eden with the serpent that is demonized as teaching these early Adamites, basically the knowledge of good and evil, that serpent figure in that is Enki. And that's why when we see how the serpent and the dragon became demonized and we see the cultures around the world that the Americas, they were originally founded not in their later states, but originally founded like the Maya with Kukukan, this dragon serpent god and the Aztec with Quetzalcoatl, this dragon serpent god and down into South America with Virakosha. Dragon serpent god, the exact same thing was this symbolic connection back to this ancient struggle that goes back much farther than anyone really knows or realizes that basically tells a story of different groups here that have been competing to create civilizations in their image and then other ones that come through and corrupt them and destroy them. And that's that hidden struggle that I call the eagle and the serpent that has gone all around the world. But that's why Eridu is so forbidden because not only would it completely rewrite our entire narrative, but along with that people would go in and read the ancient texts associated with it where Adapa was that was the first city that they supposedly the perfect mankind was created and lived in and they were considered far superior to what we are now. And the whole point of why that's important is that you would go into everything from ancient Sumerian texts and ancient Hindu texts and you'd get into ancient Mayan texts like the Popul Vuh and others and you'll read about how we are far greater and more important than we've been led to believe now through modern means and through school where like defining things like consciousness and defining our ability to what our purpose is in this in the universe and here is completely different than we're told and what it would do what would be very much disrupt this entire system that's been created here. The system of people believing that they are really nothing significant important and that money is all that matters and that they they'll go to work and work most of their life and have this like little narrative of what they're really supposed to do and then they die and the problem is that there's a paradigm that would be completely changed with a place like Eridu because you would find ancient texts that would describe us in a way that is not only far older but so much more sophisticated. So I think it's a very complicated set of reasons why that site and others have been left abandoned like I want to give you one more example is that there's a site in southern Turkey that is connected to this called Gobekli Tepe in the Anatolia region and that site has been radiocarbon dated in an accurate way because it was buried originally to be 11,800 years old or 11,600 years old and that's essentially double the narrative that we're taught about civilization being here and the same in a similar way to Eridu that site has only been 5% excavated today only 5% I mean Eridu is abandoned which is terrible and tragic but even a site like Gobekli Tepe that gets all the attention that it gets within our circles has is still only 5% excavated like the amount of effort that's going into a place like that is so minimal because it doesn't fit into the narrative and so those places are largely left either abandoned or just partially excavated so that their great secrets will remain hidden and people and you know things that are found will end up like in the Vatican archives and people or the basements of the Smithsonian and what we never really learn the truth of what comes out of them and so hopefully we can bring in bring enough awareness and change the understanding excavated for you know for us to understand the truth and I think that's what we're slowly getting towards and people like you and I and discussions like this help push that forward but there's we still have a lot of work to do. Yeah I absolutely agree I think as more audiences get a chance to even have their interest peaked but really like dive into this I think that the uproar of desire to uncover more truth can't be ignored if everyone is working together. I think in history that's a lot of the examples that you know again the tower of Babel of a society of people working together that would had to be spread according to you know biblical stories but in every situation where people begin to work together there's always something or someone that ends up trying to stop that you know again we go to modern examples of history it could be related it could not but the idea is nobody wants something or or some group of people don't want the up you know the combination of people's language or the combination of people's opinions to be formed so it seems to happen all through history and again the struggle be as you mentioned the eagle and the serpent we know that the east always revered the serpent as a wise a healing creature a creature of knowledge but it seems like the west always seemed solid as a monster a destructive force a demonized entity but it's always interesting to see how that both cultures approach things differently right it seemed like the west had a far more aggressive way of looking at things while the east had a very holistic very nature-centric looking or at least belief or structure religious belief on things and it seems that it all started back in the ancient cities of that we see now you know that are just like go blackly tap we has a lot of secrets that we still haven't uncovered I think it's always interesting or not even interesting it's imperative that we begin to dig deep into our own history but I don't know where where would be the best place to start and I think every because it's the first and most ancient city I think that seems to be one of the best places and it's also one of the ones that it's being you know like you said it's being sacked and it's also being I feel angry and I try not to let emotions get in the way because there's nothing I can do from where I'm at now besides spreading the word but seeing people that don't value the history that's there having it in their hands taking pictures with it you know destroying ancient history that could hold secrets to what it is that we are and what it is why we're here and why we exist in the first place it seems so I don't know what the word is besides you know a massive disrespect slap in the face to to our own species it seems like such a stupid way to act and again I wonder how much information you know some organizations have I know the Vatican has vast numbers of libraries under their city and they'll never share that with anyone but I wonder what it is that they know that they keep sitting on to your thought what knowledge do you think what library housing knowledge was the biggest loss to humanity thus far to your understanding which one was it really what we're what we're talking about here is why you know why don't why don't people care more you know why is it is are things the way they are if you like I remember back in high school and even into some parts some aspects of college not before I was on this road at all and before I understood that there's so much more that we don't know I remember being in school and being interested in history but the way that it was taught it was like you like yawn and want to like basically fall asleep because the version of history that we're told is so boring and so mundane that people ask you know why is it important that we know this that someone conquered some place back then and then that city fell and then something happened later on you know why is that why is that important well like you and like you said it gets back and it's something so much greater than the majority of people here even realize it's a situation where our history and the forbidden history we could call it the history that goes much further back that's connected all around the world with great civilizations like Atlantis like Plato describes in great detail because Solon traveled to Egypt and met with great temple priests at the temple of Sace and they told him this great this ancient story of a sophisticated civilization that once existed and gave all these details about it and described how it was destroyed in a great catastrophe now when you start looking at that and you you map all of these civilizations around the world that are much older you start to see a narrative unfold something that comes together that is presents a completely new perspective about how we have risen and fallen over and over again and that the current state we're in now despite all of our incredible technology we still lack an understanding of well how could they how do they even build the great pyramid of Giza how are they even able to design a structure that is mimics half the ratio of the earth that is basically in tuned with the the energy of the planet and how it's built in a very specific location to be like a mimicking that the heavens above with the three belt stars of Orion and even connecting to the serious star system and how it was it's like a miniature version of basically like earth within the cosmos within the it's the most sophisticated ancient structure in the world and yet we're told in our history books that it was built by kufu as a tomb and really that has that has there's no evidence that any pharaoh has ever been found in the great pyramids and we know that they were all buried at the value of the kings and so we we see that over and over again this false narrative to protect the significance of what these structures were and who built them originally and how far back they go you can see that it's all connected it's all connected to this understanding that despite the technology that we have today our understanding of the cosmos and energy and reality and the our purpose has been largely almost lost to where we are now because of the destruction of our past and how so many things are found along the way and i'll give you an example in the famous astro bono paul library that i told you austin hendry layered discovered in 1849 that library had over 30 000 cuneiform tablets found 30 000 that basically some were talking about laws and rules created in their society but others were in these other cat like you know if you went into a library today you would have different sections where it's one section would be about like ancient history then another section would be like about commerce and then another section would be like about trade that's exactly what this library was so it contained this mass of a totality of their entire civilization's knowledge okay and that gets in also to what you brought up too about how if something happened to us with a catastrophe what would be left with our digital technology today because these cuneiform tablets were created in such a brilliant way where they etched in their language and their story into these tablets and then they fire them with heat and they were able to survive for thousands and thousands of thousands of years whereas we know that paper even in that primitive form of paper lasts 500 to a thousand years in perfect um environmental conditions so let alone imagine like a computer through a catastrophe like how that would that would just we would just that would disappear we would never have any digital data all paper records would be gone and the last all we would have left over are a few structures and a whole bunch of plastic and that's how we would look at this but really what we're looking at when we when we see that these other civilizations the point I was I was making before these other civilizations like the Sumerians with the Ashurbanubal library when they excavated that in 1849 and they started translating those tablets of those 30 000 tablets today which we can read Sumerian Akkadian now and we know how to do that of those tablets only a couple hundred have ever been translated and nobody knows where all the rest of them are that's the wild thing is there's a display at the University of Oxford called the Ashurbanubal library display but it contains like I said less than a hundred tablets so why isn't anyone asking the question where all the rest of them went you know and what's on them is that is that the whole purpose behind this is that the ones that were translated were the ones that were a little bit too ambiguous and were difficult to understand and decipher in which they they are but is that why we are only given those and then the rest remained somewhere you know if I was to guess I would say that they're most likely in the in the Vatican archives if I was to just you know to educate just to guess on an educational level that they're probably housed there and so to me someday in the future I really hope that all this happens in my lifetime but someday in the future when this whole entire paradigm crashes down you know this pot of consciousness bubbling up that finally reaches to a state where people are asking these questions that are necessary and you get this massive push by society which I don't even know how we can get there with how powerful it is but eventually when that falls imagine how much is kept there and how much we don't know about I want to give you another example when the the Spanish through the the great you know the great eagle war empires of like the Spanish Empire and the Romans when they conquered the Americas and when they went into a place like the Mayan Empire they burned and stole like literally everything and they they rewrote their whole story for them and there's these stories of like the Aztec with the the flag of Mexico with the eagle eating the serpent that's not an original Aztec flag that was a Spanish flag showing you the conquering of those civilizations but the point is the pulpo vu is really one of the only ancient texts that survived in the Mayan world and that was only because a certain priest decided to protect that knowledge from the the original people but the rest of it is gone we don't we don't know where it is but I mean most likely because of the connections with those empires they basically came in found all these texts that tell a completely different story much older much different than we then than the Roman Empire wanted to exist right the empire never died it they took those and they just take anything that doesn't fit and they just put in some secret vaulted library somewhere where people don't get access to it and that's how we know because you take something like the book of Enoch that was originally supposed to be a Christian text and it was taken out because it talks about ancient Nephilim giants and all of these angels and demons that are basically fighting over our reality in our world and so many other things those didn't fit the narrative it didn't fit this this determined narrative and so over and over and over again it's these forbidden text all around the world and Eridu is just simply a forbidden site that has so many forbidden texts they're just kept away from the public and so we get this little snapshot of how we should be made to believe that history is and how we should be told what we are and that we're in the significance of what we are and all of this is determined by them and someday and it's starting to erode especially doing shows like this with others this is starting to become like almost like a joke to a lot of us around the world because there's so many obvious telltale signs of that all of this whole narrative and historical context is so different that um when you start when you you look at it you almost like want to laugh because it's it's it's insane how silly it is and we can get into talking about megalithic civilizations around the world and how that provides such an obvious marker as well for this so when people listening to this this isn't like the opinion of a non-accredited archaeologist that is that hasn't studied this and doesn't have the credentials to be able to understand this i'm just one person of many who is telling this is saying the same thing we're all saying essentially the same thing and that we're pointing out so many of the obvious signs and the evidence that shows well look this paradigm is almost like laughable at this point and is going to collapse the question is how fast do we want it to and what is this a society willing to reprogram their understanding in their mind on this with new evidence to not be afraid to look into the past to understand what we really are and and how far back we go yeah yeah i i think there's there's so much information out there uh and just like you're saying there's so many things that contradict the history we know again repeating a little bit of it but it's true the book of inock was a big one that really made me think and pause a lot when i was uh when i was first even discovering that it existed because it wasn't hidden away to the point that you can't find out about it but it was hidden away enough so that you have to dig in order to know about it and and that was one of those along with the Sumerian solar system map to know that there was such an ancient civilization and we always thought of them as primitive and not have copper tools and maybe they did and use it very well but how then would they know how would they know about the universe how would they know about our our exact solar system and the distance is the sizes and then again every one of the other ancient civilizations their their start or the beliefs their their their cultures always dictate that there was some being that helped them come to realization of consciousness or knowledge that that seems to be something that transcends no matter the culture the language or even the part of the world that that the people were in it always seems like we had assistance in order to get to where at least the starting blocks were and that's something that does not seem to be expressed when you look at conventional history of our you know of our starting points it's very that that seems off to me is that something that you found as well as you were looking into ancient history where we had these conversations on you know with friends in the podcast with some of the people that uh that we know um external you know just people that that when they discover that this simple truth of the solar system map that just blows people's minds when they've never even thought that that was possible and then you go into the idea of the pyramid how how precise they were or they still are when they were built how even you can see generations later other cultures when they take over the region they try to do renovation works which really you know end up failing in comparison even though they came later than the ancient ones to the original works you know like the sphinx the the the pyramids every time they try to renovate it they realize you know this to whatever it was that made it was far more advanced than what we have access to the tools that they used the knowledge they had in order to make it and we can understand that even now there's Japanese swords that were forged in such a way that we can't even replicate even with all our you know our fancy ways of doing things they still can't do it so there's knowledge just for sure not trans that that wasn't transferred and that was lost and some that maybe remains a mystery that someone maybe has and just won't ever you know release for some of the reasons already stated i just wonder if more people knew about these ancient mysteries if that would trigger then that would be the if that would be the match that lights the forest you know what i'm saying if that's the the point to me when i heard people like you and others speak about the fact again that the pyramids are not only far more ancient than we originally believed but their purpose are still really unknown because they wanted to neatly package it in a in a in a gift and say this is exactly what it was it was tombs and if that starts to fall apart well actually then it was just there to store grain that's why now there's tunnels they try to find some reason to cover for each new discovery but it doesn't fit unless you take into consideration the idea of ancient civilizations that were much wiser smarter and we're able to maybe even to have knowledge of you know space travel or or knowledge of beings from outside of our realm or outside of our world that's something that seems to be debated and not not explored what are your thoughts on on those things because i man i definitely want to hear that yeah sure so i guess the place to start is people people underestimate or under appreciate the significance of something like the great pyramid of diesel the largest and most sophisticated structure on earth we're talking about a structure that was created with two and a half million megalithic granite granite blocks granite and sands granite and limestone blocks that are have an average weight of 10 tons each when we try to wrap our heads around that we look at modern cranes today and their ability to build structures we're not only talking about and looking at how impossible would be to do that with just those blocks and the size of that to create that but to create it in such a perfect way where it's aligned with these different shafts that like you said they're they have all these ridiculous theories for what they call what the reason behind them like air shafts or things that are pointing towards the orign constellation and serious constellation and the pyramid itself is mimicking half the ratio of the entire earth and is built exactly in the in the middle of the land mass of the entire planet and happens to connect to these ancient energy centers and all these things when we look at the sophistication behind and that's only just like scratching the surface when you look at the sophistication behind the great pyramid of Giza you have to wonder how it was even built that's the thing that I think gets doesn't get really talked enough about is when you look at take great pyramids like the great pyramid of Giza take the ancient Hindu the ancient temples like Kaleesh temple in India a gigantic mountain carved into it incredibly sophisticated basalt temples out of a single mountain supposedly all done at one time and then you go all the way across to the Americas to the megalithic some gigantic perfectly created blocks we see in places like Peru and Bolivia and the ancient texts speak about the fact that there were these great creator beings that were creating civilizations around the world and they were up Kalu the seven up Kalu okay and those up Kalu have been shown in depictions all around the world as traveling around creating civilizations in their image creating great libraries and then leaving and then departing and then later on this the civilization either becomes corrupted or it it gets destroyed in another civilization comes along and tries to mimic what they were doing you see that with the ancient Peruvian sites you see that especially with the Aztec and Maya and you see that with Egypt the same thing I mean if I like to say this all the time but it's really important that people understand if I go walk down the street to a monument somewhere and I spray paint my name on it doesn't mean that I created that monument no not like not at all it's like this most ridiculous thing in the world and so the entire reason why something like the great pyramid of Giza is credited to Khufu was that they found that someone had written his name in there in one place inside the pyramid and there's no writings anywhere else and this is one place where they wrote that and then boo poof it was created for Khufu and so that's the that's the silliness behind how we look at all of these civilizations around the world and then those creative influences that led to their their rise we falsely identify them with a certain even both the over the wrong time period and we falsely identify them with being from the wrong from the wrong creators the wrong influences and so when we look at it though from the standpoint of these original influencers of these civilizations like giving you an example like the Sumerians most people don't know that the Sumerians are credited with essentially everything that the the the the moral framework and the the structure of our society today came from there they they're the ones who were the first to come up with mathematics they're the ones who were the first to come up with astronomy astrology they're the ones who came up with agriculture they're the ones who came up with metallurgy um animal husbandry in the list goes on and on and on that's only at the beginning it literally everything came from there now what's amazing about that besides the fact that it came from there is number one that they state that they're not the ones who who came up with that knowledge and two when we look at who they were that they say they came up with them these they called these great gods the great Anuna or Anunnaki which is just the term that it's an umbrella term that means those from heaven or above whether that's another density or dimension or whatever it is or just coming from above here they essentially taught them everything and they're the ones who went around the world and created all these civilizations and that's why aridubing the patron city of one of these creator gods Enki was later demonized but what's amazing is that there's a cylinder seal from ancient Sumer that's called VA 243 and in that cylinder seal it shows Enki passing on the plow right people be like who cares big deal he's passing on the plow to the civilizations of the fertile crescent there which is what aridu is originally part of why why is that so important the agriculture having the ability to have complex agriculture is the basis of a civilization if you can't have the civilization that has an agricultural system it will never be developed you'll simply be nomadic hunter and gatherers and that's why in a place like gobekli tepi nearby to the north when they excavated that site and they went through the layers they found essentially that they saw hunter gather nomadic hunter gatherers in this layer and then all of a sudden poof just above it in like this extremely short time period agriculture and all this sophistication just came out of nowhere and then they go on to create the greatest cosmic library ever created that's what the gobekli tepi is it's a cosmic library of all the constellations around us mapping the procession of the equinox and so the point is we have direct evidence in many many places that show that this knowledge was transferred to these civilizations which is why when they left and departed and those civilizations were destroyed the later subsequent cultures that came were not able to understand anywhere near the degree of what they did because every single time that that happened and there's these these catastrophes look like they're cyclical the knowledge was more and more lost because there wasn't new knowledge being ingested into into those civilizations it was like scraps and remnants of the past and in many ways we are trying to catch up and figure out all of those things now from all those subsequent cultures but in many ways we are very primitive in our mindsets compared to what they knew and so that's what's so exciting about the past is that when you can dig into the ancient stuff you can get into a whole scenario where you can gain more knowledge than we can today just simply looking at our world I think as you're saying one of the most interesting things is when like you're saying all the things that we've learned and that's only from looking like at a peak behind the curtain of what's actually there like you said there's a lot of sites that are only 5 10 percent you know even the most advanced are probably like I would say 30 explored not to mention all the different with lidar advancements we're able to see that there's temples there's proof of civilization in the middle of the central americas we haven't begun to discover enough about our past but what we know already indicates like you said there's some sort of creator beings that helped get us a jumpstart in our in our you know entire being our entire species so that there's there's so much to be uncovered there's so so many mysteries that I guess are both answered yet also you know peaked interest it causes our interest to be peaked because there's things that again like we've been saying that it doesn't line up with known history and the known history most likely is probably not real is fabricated all across even the date that we live in right the year 2022 as we know that's not that hard to discover that it isn't real it's not the correct date but it's just a date that was chosen so what one only has to look at the the amount of hieroglyphics that are available for us to see the the research that has been done for us to know you know it's being fabricated and the reason why it's being fabricated is completely unknown but there has to be you know a good amount of information out there when we we start diving into it for me to you what is the most interesting or maybe the most revealing or the biggest revelation that you discovered as you were you know looking through I mean even the handbag like all the serpent and the eagle there's so many things but out of all the things you've discovered up to this point what has been the one that's maybe shocked you or impressed you the most well that's a that's definitely not an easy thing to answer that there's so many things that all tie together to come together that just blow my mind I guess I guess where I where I started was and I think it'd be good to clarify this is that I remember being in school and learning about these Sumerian tablets in a very like in a very simplistic way where oh these are just ancient poems from the region and they're just analogies for certain things and they're not there's not really not really much there right and I just remember being completely blown away by and like and I'm I'm like many others where you start on this path and you will maybe pick up something like Zechariah's and you'll start reading that you'd be like wait is any of this true and then you start going down the road and I became I guess the the whole story of the Anunnaki and their influence here and the tablets is personally for me the most incredible of and that's that's a hard statement to answer because some of the megalithic stuff and the pyramids and all the other ancient texts they're all they're all incredible and amazing in their way but for me the stories left behind by the ancient Sumerians were the greatest of my sparks of what to look for because when I started to go in and look at it I figured out that wait a minute so this has nothing to do with Zechariah's section at all and I later come to realize that yeah a lot of his translations weren't accurate but that didn't mean anything for the significance of these creator gods role in history and what the real story was at all in fact it only emboldened me to know what the truth is and then I started to go down the rabbit hole of like now I'm learning how to actually read Qneiform but more importantly when I did the research I figured out well look we have ancient Sumerian Qneiform became a dead language and it was when it was those tablets were first discovered in 1849 nobody knew how to translate them it that language had been dead a dead language for over thousand years for well over a thousand years and when I learned about the actual history of great heroes and men like George Smith who in my opinion is the father of all ancient Sumerian in our in our modern history he was able to take a dead language that has no alphabet which is just characters and words and he was able to decipher it because he was brilliant and he spent more time studying the ancient Sumerian culture than anyone else the ancient Sumerians and Akkadians and Babylonians he became bar none the greatest the greatest expert on that who still has ever lived and his translations are available for anyone to find but people don't even know about him he's not even he's not even a footnote in most of history and later his for his translations to then be verified by other amazing experts in their field like Samuel Kramer and then later Stephanie Dahle in the 1980s what we find is that there's a common story here that's shared by the greatest translators of these languages in history that are all saying the same thing they're all saying right right in the open and but that that's what's also interesting is they'll present the text to you and what it says but then in their descriptions and talking about and George Smith is the only one that really maybe maybe in some ways Kramer but George Smith was before the control systems were really here was able to talk about it in a more open way and he had some profound things to say about these tablets the myths of them and the idea of looking when I actually read them because I started to look through them and point out specific cities that are mentioned things like the legend of Atana mentioning how it's the first city created after the deluge the first city created after the catastrophe of the under dry us and then you go read things like the Sumerian king list the oracleistic kings and sages and you and others and you're like wait a minute so they specifically list cities that existed before that were destroyed by a great catastrophe which is supposed to be a myth yet it's shared by cultures all around the world and then there's tablets that talk about cities that were created after like how is this simply just not like a historical documentation and that's where I started to become almost obsessed with the tablets because they presented a way to have a timeline and that's essentially what later led me to create my own timeline and for anyone who's who's interested on my website the stage of time.com I created an entirely new timeline that destroys the timeline that we're told in school that goes back to 200,000 years and I try to place where all of these events and these ancient writings are based on the clues that they presented within them like for instance Plato tells us that it was destroyed 9,000 years before him okay so we take that as a historical context with most people not knowing that they learned that story from ancient temple priests at the temple of the sace that was later destroyed and that they gave him those dates and so if you take 9,000 years before him and you you correlate it with when he lived you get the you get 11,800 years the same date of both gobekli tepi and the time period of when you look at ice core samples of the younger dry ice catastrophes it's all the same thing and that's how when I say okay then you take something like the Atrahasis and you look at how it describes Sherupak as being the last city that ever existed here before the deluge and then Kish being the first one created after and you start to you start to formulate an ancient timeline that is completely different than we're told and I think that those moments when you can have those aha like those things are well documented they've been well translated and they present this narrative that to me it blows my mind and the struggle between the Anunnaki which is what that whole biblical struggle of angels and demons and the gods battling in heaven that's that comes from them it comes from the idea that there were these powerful creative creator gods and I want to emphasize that I don't I really don't think it's it's any kind of this ancient alien type of aspect I think we need to move away from that they seem to be sophisticated and superior in aspects of creating and magic and manipulating reality in a way that we we can't even understand and they talk about it in the text there's numerous texts that talk about them coming here at these different time periods and altering things in certain ways and then creating civilizations and then creating us in their image so the whole story unfolds in a way where when you get the accurate translations and again I the the books that I've written like their stage of time I have numerous Q&A form tablets from the greatest translators you can go read in there on my website I have it and I'm also writing a new book with Billy Carson called the epic of humanity where we're trying to include the most important of all of these ancient texts from the best translators to protect all of these ancient texts because right now if you were to be curious and go look at all this how do you know where to start it you're scattered all over the internet and you're trying to figure out where all these things are and I think one of the goals of mine is to put all of these most important texts but also the most important parts of those texts because you can get lost in the in the length of some of them all in one place so that people can go read them and see for themselves and see how incredible this our story is and see the influences and how far back it goes and when you do that when you step outside and you and you look up into the sky and you and you look up into the heavens and the stars shining above you with countless star systems all around you you realize you're part of something much greater and you're part of something that goes back to a much older time where someday you know we will realize that we've been manipulated and controlled by certain groups and empires to protect that narrative from ever being known so that we will never be able to empower ourselves to who we really are that's a perfect way to to pique the interest of those listening to find out more because it's definitely true so many times we we think about being the rats in the maze and we never think about why are we in the maze what's the purpose of this place we just kind of continue onward so i'm glad that you know there's people like you out there that are truly you know dedicating a huge amount of their life to uncovering the truth that you know as as it continues to become clear and clear i think will change the way that people not only look at their own lives and existences but also work together to better the life that we're actually living because i think once that information gets out i think yeah there's no way you can you can go back to sitting in a cubicle or living a normal life because you're now you're aware of it and now you're if at least it it prompts you to have conversations with people and then with those conversations everyone else's light bulbs start to turn on and they start seeking this information and i think it'd be undoubtedly unstoppable to to prevent people from wanting to learn more and you know maybe moving the forces that be to be able to continue to research this and dedicate the funds and time that it really it really respectfully deserves in order for us to find out more not only just about the creator gods but just about us what our purpose was as we created why do we have this fascination with creation improving things and that's something we can get obsessed over whether it be athletic performance political things we just have an obsession over improving and creating and i think this is this is a wonderful opportunity for people to see more about some of the work you've done the people you've collaborated with as well as being able to support you both financially and also be able to to give you guys the voice that you guys need by amplifying it through through their audience as to their people to their friends i think this is important and i i thank you for being a part of the show today with us matt thank you so much i really appreciate the kind words and i really appreciate meeting other individuals like you that have that quest to want to know more and to not have that old false paradigm be controlling your entire viewpoints and you're willing to be open-minded enough to look in a different light and i mean isn't it isn't it fascinating though that when you yourself that instead of being something that um dwindle the importance of who you are or make it something where you gain a perspective that is not empowering it's a complete opposite this empowers us to understand and look at consciousness a completely different way who we are the importance of all of us how significant we are in this place and how significant we are in the cosmos and so i really appreciate every single person that is willing to change their mindset because i want to point this out to you so like why does it matter right why why if you change your mindset and you talk to a few people like what does that do it changes and starts to tear down this this old collective consciousness that exists here we as a eight billion human human beings here have a shared collective consciousness on the earth and as if anyone has ever looked at like the hundred monkey effect it doesn't take 80 percent of everyone to change their mindset to have this paradigm crash and crumble it takes a certain small percentage of the entire group of these collective creative conscious people like you guys and others to come together and change our mindsets and then project that out and it will shatter this it's it will come down and then eventually we will transform our our thinking and ourselves into something completely different than we are that great metamorphosis that it's always talked about whether or not you want to look at it through the lens of the caterpillar and butterfly or the serpent into the the great feather dragon those are simply the metamorphosis that have been told and handed down to us from countless ancient cultures and texts throughout history to have us look at things in a different way and to truly remember who we are so i really appreciate being able to talk to you guys today thank you thank you and if it is we'll put on this in the description we'll have links to your website to your youtube channel and other materials for those that are also listening live right now or not live but the ones that are listening now is there any anything else that you'd like to point out or any other places you recommend or any other channels you recommend as well yeah there's so many great individuals doing work here you know i give shout outs to my work i'm very proud of the work that i'm doing on countless new shows adding a lot of new evidence and things to like gaya another i'd like to give a shout out to like billy karson and his forbidden knowledge tv and also fifth kind tv with paul wallis and tony um and all of the the great masters who have come before that have led to this like brian forester and graham hinkock and randall carlson and robert schock and jonathan west and um and i'm i'm missing several several others and there's so many important people jerald clark and a lot of these other individuals that have come that have paved the road to hand the torch down so that we can could carry on this work and because our work isn't done and we're simply continuing to help crumble this narrative and i just really appreciate everyone who supports this work and is open-minded to us changing the future and rewriting our story so thank you