 I show most Muslims what happens in a slaughterhouse where animals have their head cut off, they feel sick, they don't want to see it. Could you pay me to kill a cow right now? So when you get a sharp knife and slash it across your throat, do you think that you would suffer? There's a more compassionate option than halal now. Which one would the devil want us to choose? No brother. Oh brother. But plants have no brain. Plants have no brain. You're sturdy brother, you got sturdy more. This is another way they trick Muslims as well. Halal is just a label they use, but the halal chickens come out of these farms. Yeah, yeah dude. They don't have different farms for halal. It's just about the slaughter here in the UK. It's not really halal here in the UK. All the animals here are factory farmed, and those animals suffer horrible lives. Do you feel like if the animal has suffered that that would be haram? Yeah, if the animal has suffered, yeah. So do you follow the animals to the slaughterhouse from the farm, you know exactly what's happening to them? The animals will be treated well, right, obviously. Yeah, that's the load of s***. They're all factory farmed here. The chickens are all factory farmed, they're suffering. So they take these chickens out of the factories and they take them to the halal slaughterhouse to kill them. If you're getting them from a factory farm, they could take it to a halal slaughterhouse, call it halal. You're not watching them be slaughtered. You don't watch them be raised, do you have your eyes in the farm? Or do you trust the butcher? You know what happens is a Muslim might go out to the butcher, the butcher will say this is halal, and they trust the butcher. But they don't know anything that happened down the line. We believe in the butchers. Like the butchers, they have special farms, specialty, they buy from special people. Actually, this is my job, that's why I'm here. Ah, slaughter worker, you stun them first? Yeah, you shoot them with their... No, no, no, no. No, we didn't shoot. Non-stun halal slaughter? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is halal way we didn't shoot. Just a knife? No, it's straight away. Yeah. You just catch it from like back, like leg, like the head down and... Traditional halal slaughter where they don't see each other? No, we don't see each other. We can see the knife, we didn't see each other. Yeah. We have a problem actually. In one of the role, the animal should not be slaughtered in front of each other. We can't find halal like this... In the UK? ...to be slaughtered, no. Because they're slaughtered in the same place, they see each other, they hear each halal, and this is not halal. You don't know that they're not dying in fear, you don't know they don't see each other be killed, which is not halal. The way they're slaughtered in here, they're all stun, they're stunning them or they're... They're stunning like, and then that obviously validates the... Yeah. ...halal if it's stunned. You know many of the animals here in the halal slaughterhouses are actually stunned? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I know that. Yeah. So what do you think about all the Muslims that are eating the stun halal animals? Yeah, but this is this halal... It's not halal? No, it's not halal, but... You eat milk and eggs, and do you think those dairy cows go to a halal slaughterhouse? No. Dairy products always involve the calves being taken from the mum, so maternal trauma. They keep them pregnant, take the children, keep them pregnant, take the children, take the milk, take the milk, they... And then they slaughter them. And then they're not slaughtered halal. You know, egg industry, the suffering ends in the cages that they're... It's not halal. Like, I mean... At a good point, yeah. Yeah, yeah, like in the... The egg industry is... Immigrant deformation. The egg industry is always suffering. And the halal is no suffering, or they have to minimise suffering in this certain way. I've also seen proper orthodox halal slaughter, where they cab them and they don't let them see each other. I've seen that too. I've seen the animals struggling and suffering. Yeah, I've still seen them suffering. If you cut them the right way, it's... They will not feel anything, no fear or nothing, just one time, you know? No, I've seen orthodox halal slaughter. I've seen it, I've seen it multiple times, and they do get scared, and they do suffer. Look at this. Needs two people. The animals struggling. Oh yeah, thanks for the water, mate. I'm bonding with you. You know, feeling for the jugular vein. Horrible. Horrible. The animals struggling in pain. If the animals suffer, we're not allowed to eat analgesia, just to make up for it. So when you get a sharp knife and slash it across your throat, do you think that you would suffer? It'll suffer for a few seconds, then we'll die. Okay, well, wait a second. Okay. You just admitted that they'll suffer for a few seconds. Yeah, obviously. Any animal, if you put it inside the foot, you're gonna suffer. If I cut your head right now, you would choke on your blood. Yeah, exactly. You would feel the pain of me cutting through your nerves. Exactly. There's nerves all in here. You're suffering. And if you have a knife cut across your windpipe, through your main vein, you start losing blood, you start getting scared. So if the animal suffers, they are haram. Have you witnessed halal slaughter? Oh yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't put my own hands on it. We are advised to take a very sharp knife, so we don't make a mistake and cut half of it. And then again, we slice the goat, no. One slice and that's it. I've seen it. Yeah, I have seen it. I've seen it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You think it's good to do? It's something because... It's a good thing to do, do you believe? That's what I wanna know. It's a slaughtered animal because you eat animals. You're God, my God, same. He's provide for you to eat the lovely animal, but do not hurt that away. It's chopping. Yeah, listen to me. Yeah. Why the animal get pain and hurt, right? Pain, right? Harms, yeah. Because the goat say... Like a knife in the throat. It's harm. Yeah, but no, no, no. It's harm to you, harm to me, harm to the animal. Yeah. But God say in the Quran, if you're going to cut the animal, the name of God is greater, but you should be have a knife. Very sharp. Yeah. Halal. Halal, halal. Very sharp. And the blood should be automatically drained. The blood, all the blood drained. All the blood? Yeah. Can you drain all the blood from an animal? Yes, because they have a... Nuts, no, the muscles, which one you cut. And then it makes it... Yeah. Okay. God made the animals to be eaten. Then why did he make them to feel pain, suffer and want to live? What do you mean? Well, animals can... Animals suffer. It's all the animals. Yeah, but you think plants can suffer? You think a tomato can suffer? I don't have feelings. I don't have feelings. So if one has feelings, animals have feelings, why did he make them with feelings? I don't know. That's a pretty silly thing to do. If they were meant to be food, why don't you just make them not be able to feel pain? They feel pain, yeah. They feel pleasure, happiness. They care for their children. You see in the cow, they're young. They care for their young. So God made them with all of these, all of these qualities. They care for their young. They feel pain. They want to live. They don't want to die. That's why you have to be careful not to see that, you know, you're making sure you don't make them scared or suffer as Halal, yeah? When you eat bread and hummus and chickpeas, when you boil it, when you cut a tomato, do you don't feel the same way as when you see a cow get their head cut off, do you? So you see a tomato get cut, you don't feel bad? No. But they've got life as well, haven't they? There's no brain there. There's no one inside of there. Like you, both are subjects of a life. Like there's someone in there. In the chicken, there are subjects. In that pigeon there, they want to avoid pain and distress and they want to, a tree is rooted into the ground. There's no brain, no nervous system, no, no subject. There's no one in there. When you look into the eyes of an animal, there's someone in there. That's why there's no Halal slaughter of carrots, is there? Yeah. Is there Halal slaughter of carrots? No, no, no. Okay. Would a loving, compassionate God want us to cause unnecessary harm to an animal when we can choose something else? You and me, God's children, we have a choice. Yeah? To cut animals' heads off or to eat a vegan option, which means plants. Okay? Which don't scream in pain, which don't... No, no, no, no. Okay, no pain. Let's just say no pain. Animal, the plants get pain. You don't? No, brother. Oh, brother. Plants have no brain. Plants have no brain. No, no, no, no. You study, brother. You go study more. Research to say. The trees, the plant, the vegetables get pain. No, they don't. They don't have no brain. Yeah? Does a plant have a brain? The sculler's seed already. The sculler's seed. No, no, no. Intelligence. Plant intelligence is different to feeling pain. Feeling pain is sentience. Two different things. Okay? Plants move with the sun. Yeah? They drink the water. They move with the sun. This is intelligence. It's not feeling. Not pain. Pain, you need nerves. You need a brain. Okay? Different. If you think of your religion as trying its best to make the animal not suffer, you think of your religion, right? They're saying hello. You know, make sure they don't suffer. They don't see each other. They're not scared. Okay? This is what they're trying to do. It doesn't exist in this reality. Smothering, but in the, you know... They're trying to find the best way to take the animal's life because it's about compassion. Okay? Then what's more compassionate about than just not leaving the animal as it is? And then... Leaving them in the sanctuary. Leaving them be. Don't cut their head off at all. What's more compassionate than that? What for? You know, obviously they thought killing animals was wrong. Otherwise, they wouldn't be trying to find this amazing way of doing it where they're not scared and not suffering and all these things. So they think your religion even says that animals have enough moral value not to get them scared and make them suffer or cause them pain. Yeah. Yeah. So they think they have moral value. So why not just avoid eating them? I love talking to Muslims because it's the only religion that I've seen that has something in there like a standard for how animals should be treated. So that shows me there should be compassion for animals. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that's all you mean. And compassion for animals is what? Why don't we not eat them? Not cut their heads off. That's the most compassionate thing you can do. When the Quran was written in this time, they maybe didn't have a choice. Now you have choice. Why would you choose to cut an animal's head off? Choose to eat their bodies when there's a more compassionate option than Halal now? We have to distinguish between the time of the Prophet peace be upon him and our present time. One might be able to say that in his time that was the nature of life and the level of awareness of the difficulties that animals go through and so on. One could not do better at that time than to eat animals. At the present time, if one can do better and one feels merciful towards the animals, one is aware of the way in which animals are being ill-treated in mass production factories and farms. And then one can say, okay, I'm not going to have any part of that. This is too cruel. And God has provided us with other means of subsistence now. So we don't need to eat animals. In the worst case scenario where I have to kill you, I'm going to kill you as compassionately as I can, but I don't have to kill you. And we don't have to kill the animals, do you know what I mean? So really, it's a needless thing now. Muslims have the hello-our thing, but everyone else has their own little excuse. It's like, oh, protein, I need iron. I only ever eat free-range animals. That's a big one, but I've seen free-range places. They all go to the same slaughterhouses. If you believe that God gave you this loophole where if you do it a certain way, it's passable, then we've also got the choice not to do it as well. And that you still can be a good Muslim. Do you have to slaughter an animal on Eid to sacrifice, or can you give, in other ways, charity in other ways? Is there a requirement in your religion to do this? No, no. In, like, Eid al-Fitr, this Eid that we celebrated like days ago, we give Eid to the people. We give money to the people. That's good. Yeah. We give money to the people, money to our kids and people who are younger than us. We have to give them the money. There's ways to sacrifice without killing an animal. Could you pay me to kill a cow right now? What about the Hala way? This is Daisy the cow, okay? We face the cow to Mecca. I do the proper prayer. I got a sharp knife. I cut through to the back of their throat, through that whatever this artery is. And you see the cow struggling, bleeding. I've seen it in my life too many times. Do the cows go willingly? No, I don't. Do they try to struggle and breathe? Yes, yes, yes. They're trying to survive. And I feel bad, and sometimes they cry, and you know, there's a noise. Yeah, yeah. It doesn't seem like they want to be sacrificed. Well, no. Can you kill an animal yourself? Wait, wait a second. Animals will put here for you, and to be eaten. Why can't you? Oh, wait a second. If you had to. But I personally would have killed an animal. How would it make you feel to kill an animal right now? That's why we have special people to do it. I was just wondering, what would happen to your emotions if you sliced the lamb's head off right now? If I have to, then I will. No, no, no. I've done it before. What would happen to your emotions? Nothing really. You wouldn't feel a thing? Do you sacrifice an animal every year you eat? Every year on Eid, yeah. You do? Yeah, I do myself. How do you feel about it? I do quick, and because it is promised that the animal, the goat, is like, you know, for our own sake, there are like religious things in it, and we believe. And because many people are eating goat over there. I'll get you. The whole wallet. You couldn't pay me to kill the cow, but you pay other people to do it all the time when you don't see it. If God wanted you to eat animals, why do you feel bad when you see them be killed? When you make a choice, what do you listen to? When you make a decision, you use your conscience and your mind and your logic, and who gave those to you? If God created you, you have a conscience. When an animal doesn't want to die, you don't want to kill them. If you believe in God, that has to be God speaking to you. Would you show your children? Do you have children? Yes, I have children. Okay, you show your children Halaos Waterhouse. Okay. Do you think that would make them want to eat these animals, or would that make them scared? They would be scared. Okay, that'd be scared. Now, God created your children, yeah? Okay. Now, why would God create your children to be afraid of their own food? Why? Why? He's very smart, God. Of course, God is God. God is God. Intelligent. Yeah, of course. He'd give your children the gift of right and wrong. They see Halaos Water. Halaos Water. They would be scared. Any human makes them very sick. Me too. Now, we have vegan options, alternatives. God put them there for us too, yeah? Which one would He want us to choose, and which one would the devil want us to choose? You believe God created you with a conscience? You know, you believe God created animals, but God also created them to suffer. I show most Muslims what happens in a slaughterhouse where animals have their head cut off. They feel sick. They don't want to see it. This is awful, you know. I just don't know why God would make humans be disgusted when they see an animal get their head cut off. The animals are actually suffering and want to live. I just feel like if God is compassionate, loving, caring, all loving, and we have a choice to not have slaughterhouses, I just don't see why not. You look at a slaughterhouse. Halaos certified an animal. They're fear in their eyes when they had their throat slit. I've watched it. Have you seen the footage? Not nice. Not nice. Now, is that food when we have plant-based alternatives that don't make your children sick? If I am a buyer, I go to a butcher shop. He's doing it in front of me. He doesn't torture it. He just sacrifices it, all right? And then he gives the meat to me. That's fine. But if you're taking the meat in thousand quantity, quantity matter, and then they do this to the animals. Basically, that's wrong because it's still a living animal in my philosophy. I don't think it's right to kill an animal if it's needless. If I don't need to eat an animal, I don't do it. It is on you what you eat. But it is given to us what we can eat and what we cannot eat. We cannot eat cat and dog. What would God say if I just killed a dog in Halao way and just used him as a jacket? No, that's only... God said that's only if it's the last resort. Like, if there's no plants, no animals, if you're only in the desert by yourself, then you could eat a dog if you don't have a dog. Okay. The first resort kind of sheeps head off, no worries, even if there's plants available. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's completely inconsistent, personally. I think it's inconsistent. I think there's no point. You don't have to. It's needless. It's cruel. You know they suffer. It goes down to what you believe in. Yeah. Well, you believe it too because you believe they suffer when they have their throat slashed open. Yeah. Let's just say we take a dog. We slash their throat open. Quick. Really, we say a prayer. Yeah, yeah. Face makeup, say the prayer. Slash their throat open. You don't think this dog's going to be drowning on their own blood. Maybe 50 seconds, 30 seconds? The name of the dog gets different. No, the dog's the same. Exactly the same. In the way they suffer, they want to live. No need of eating a dog, right? So you don't have to do that. There's no need to eat a lamb, either. Lamb eat is a lot for us, so we do eat. Yeah, but there's no need to do it. What? You have a choice. So you can choose not to kill, not to eat animals that have been killed. You can choose. You don't have to. You can be veggie. You can be just meat. You can be no chicken. It's up to you. Do you think it's better to live a life where we don't cut animals heads off? It's not like how we choose. You think it's better? Like, you know, if an animal, what's stronger? The lamb's preference to live or your preference to have a quick meal? Well, at the end of the day, they are going to die as well if we don't eat them. Yeah, well, maybe of old age. You're going to die anyway. I don't want to kill you and eat you. It's completely halal to be vegan. Yeah, you can be vegan. You are not stopped. So you have a choice? Yeah, you have a choice. You have a choice at the end of the day. It's your preference. We can be vegan and Muslim. We can be vegan and Christian. Yeah, but I... God doesn't say not to be vegan. So why are you going to all this trouble to not make an animal suffer when you can just not eat them? They don't suffer at all. It's always halal. Halal. Vegan food is always halal. You never have to worry about how they're raised. If the butcher did the right job, did it really quick? When you eat vegan, it's always halal. To be vegan is compatible with Islam. It's safer to be plant-based than you know. You know it's all halal. There's no suffering. There's no animals. It's better for the earth. It's better for your health. If every Muslim went vegan, do you know how much less suffering and killing there would be on the earth? It would be amazing. And it's destroying God's earth, raising animals as well, which is another point. Destroying God's earth. Because they have to grow food to feed the animals. And then we eat the animals. And that food needs to be watered and they need cropland. So that's destroying God's earth. Why? Why would God want this? I just don't understand why God would want this. Something more sustainable, better for your health, and less suffering. I don't get why every Muslim isn't vegan. I mean it would be a beautiful world and less blood and killing. If you eat too much meat, you'll get heart disease and die. You know, and meat's destroying the planet. It's cruel to the animals. It's just everything, if you believe in God and Allah and things like this, it's everything against, you know, why would you create this monstrosity of factory farming to destroy his own earth? To be honest, I would like to be more vegan and vegetarian if I could. And I can, I'm sure I can. Right from wrong in your heart, God gave you that. Don't listen to anyone else. Listen to your conscience. What does it say when you see animals being murdered against their will? I'm like you brother. Yeah, I'm just like you. Of course man, I love you. I have a business, I'm doing business here. I used to give them a restaurant, a coffee shop here. Yeah. A coffee shop because I have many customers in the world. So we love each other. We don't have any hatred. Yeah. God said that. I'm like you. I want love. I want peace. Yes, man. Okay, like God wants. Yeah, me too. Me too. Okay? I want peace for all beings. Yes. Not just us. Yeah. Animals, we don't need to do this to survive. Okay, if we were going to die, maybe you can eat an animal to survive. Okay, maybe, maybe. I personally wouldn't. I'd rather die. But you know, you have justification. We have no justification to do this to innocent beings. Thank you so much. I enjoyed your talk brother. Brother? Thank you so much. What do you think about that? Yeah. You have a kebab shop yourself Falafel? Yeah. What about Falafel most? Falafel doesn't, Falafel's food. Yeah. Lamb is an infant, a child. Think about that my friend. Thank you so much brother. God bless you mate. You too brother.