 know we have some sad things that have been happening since the last time we met. Camp Hotlum, where I stayed for five months, actually burned. And this was a, I don't know if you noticed this enormous heat wave, that I guess you're having that now in Europe. But this happened in the northwest of the North American continent and temperatures reached in Fahrenheit 121 degrees Fahrenheit and one one city in British Columbia actually sort of spontaneously combusted in the whole place is destroyed. This is where they had the highest temperature and the entire place was destroyed. So this is a very terrifying thing. And Camp Hotlum, where I stayed for five months last year. I don't know, can I share my screen? Is it possible? Yeah, you can. Okay, so I'll just show you. This is, can you see this now? Yeah. Yeah. So, so this is, this is me in Hotlum. And it's, it's, it's very interesting because for five months I got to stay there in a tent and it was really wonderful at 68 years old. It was not what I had expected at all. And yet it was the best time I've had for years. And I started to interact with animals and birds and insects and, and feel the temperature and the moisture. And I think this is so, so important. And I also had lots of encounters with Native Americans. And the Native Americans were, because I started to tell the Native Americans like all the birds and animals are coming to me. And the hummingbirds, I have a hummingbird on my hat now. But the hummingbirds were coming and flying in front of my face. And I could look at their colors and I could start to identify individuals. And it was very interesting to have such a thing. And I told one of the elders, indigenous elders, I said, I, all these animals, bears, I had an encounter with a mountain lion, eagles, hawks, a hawk landed just, just a few meters away from me on a limb and just looked at me. Giant deer would come up. And I started thinking, what's going on with this? And I asked the Native American elder, I said, it seems like all these animals are coming to me. What's going on? And I said, it feels like they're trying to talk to me. And he said, well, what did they tell you? And I, well, you know, I'm not really, I have to think about that. What did they tell me? But I, I think what, what I came away with was that there was no, there was no, I had no fear of even the, the rattlesnakes or the bears or the, or the, the mountain lion. And it was just wonderful to have this, this thing and to realize. And this camp burned just a few weeks ago at the end of June. And so really think about this, this camp is a wilderness camp. This camp is there to teach fire ecology and it burned. And this is of course a tragedy. And, but think about this. If we could take camps like this and turn them into botanical sanctuaries, where the most endangered plants are, are brought there and propagated and cared for, this is the most valuable thing that we could do to ensure the future. So I just want to tell you this is not the only place which suffered seriously. There was a cyclone in India, which hit the camp in, in Bihar too. So we really have to realize that the intensity and the frequency of catastrophes is increasing. So be prepared for, for this and realize that we, we have to do more. We have to make very careful infrastructure decisions so that there's zero toxicity, all natural materials. Because if you have fire that goes through these places and there's any kind of toxic substances, then it will pollute the water and the soil. But if we have only natural things and there's even things that you can do where you build from cob and when the fire goes through, it just glazes the, the houses. So they turn into porcelain houses after fire instead of being destroyed by fire. So think carefully about what's happening because we're not, we're no longer talking about the future impacts of climate change. They're here. And so thank you. It's so exciting to hear from Santi and to learn about what's going on in Columbia. Thanks for listening to me. It's great to be here. And afterwards we'll stay as long as anybody wants to talk. Thank you. Thank you, John. Thank you for sharing this. I will quickly go over to sharing my screen back again. Yep. Yes, I would like to share some camp news as well. Can everyone hear me? Yeah. But first, before we go to the camp hot loom, because I wanted to share that news as well, we first go to the camp experiences. We have the first camp experience coming up in the Netherlands, which is from the 23rd until the 28th of July. And you're able to apply until Saturday. So if you are close, if you're in the Netherlands, or you're in Germany, or you're in the position to travel to a Camp Kings Garden, please do because it's their first camp. And it's very exciting. If you are ever interested in our camp experience, please go to our website. And we have a section called Events and Courses. And you can see all these camp experiences there. Then we have another camp coming up at Emberkoom, which is in the UK near to Devon. And they have a summer rewilding camp from the 17th until the 19th of August. And it's called Alte Plano in Spain. Our last fireside chat guest will have a regenerative culture course. And here you will learn everything about how to work in a regenerative way together. And how can we learn from nature while working together? So that's very interesting course to take. And that is from the 10th until the 17th of September. And then we have the camp cream pup eat. We had a shout out about this festival earlier, but unfortunately it got cancelled. And now they are planning to have it on the 19th until the 26th of September. And Camp Habiba in Egypt has an ongoing opportunity to go to their camp. So if you're interested, please do and have a look. Thanks. And then, yes, to the other camp news, as John already told, and obviously for him, this is such heartbreaking because he has been there for five months. But Camp Habiba lost 95% of their trees and their infrastructure and all the tools. So it's a very devastating situation. And therefore we decided to set up a fundraiser. So if you are in the opportunity to give just a small amount to help them to, yeah, take the first steps to rebuild themselves, then please donate a small amount. I think my colleague, Kav, will put the link to the fundraiser in the chat so we can all help Camp Hotloom. And then some more amazing news is that we reached an amazing mark of planting 1,225,000 trees. I'm stumbling over this number at ecosystem restoration camps. And I think it is amazing. And I'm so proud of all the camp managers and all the camp campers who helped make this happen. I think this for such a still maybe a small organization, I think this is a really big mark. So thank you as well for reaching that. Then Camp Mombasa-Mengroves in Kenya, they received a beautiful donation from a local bank called Equity Bank. And they planted 100,000 trees together. So the employees of the bank also learn more about the mangroves and how important they are. So that's great news. And then Camp Sinaldo Vale in Brazil has secured a grant from the regional government in Rio de Janeiro to restore another 30 hectares of Atlantic rainforest. So these are the, I don't know, these are the things that really make the impact. So we are really grateful for this news. And yeah, I would like to continue with the main guest of tonight, Jaguarxambra. And I am very excited about this chat because I feel that we can learn so much from the ancient wisdom and that they want to preserve the nature and the ancient wisdom where we can all learn from. That makes it very exciting. But I also want to do a little shout out because as part of their commitments to sustain food systems, together with the indigenous community, they created a coffee brand, which is a, I have to say it right, a single origin coffee. And it is available for us to order as well. And I think it is a beautiful way of drinking your cup of coffee, knowing how it is produced. And if you're drinking a cup of coffee, you're also drinking a small part of the camp. So I just want to give this a little shout out. And now let's watch this beautiful introduction video. What a beautiful video. Santi, I would like to give you the word. Thank you very much. Hello, everyone. I'm really happy and excited to be here sharing this time with all of you. So nice to connect over this medium. And thank you very much for ecosystem restoration camps to bring this space that we could share the few things that we are doing. Is I think is an incredible joy to live in the time that we are living and do the things that we are living that we are doing with all the potential that we have. Sometimes we feel over overwhelmed for the reality that we are encountering, but something that we just could learn about the process when the indigenous communities is that to have resilience and to have more, yeah, to have like a more sense of hope and love with the things that we are doing. Because in the end, we are here to be preserved and as humans and nature, we have a special relationship together. And that relationship is, is not in balance. This is the problem that we are living. So it's not only about the ecological process that we are living and the forestations and the biodiversity loss and all that stuff is actually a reflection of our relationship with nature. And that's something that as John mentioned in the beginning, we could notice that when where the indigenous communities live, they have that balance. They have the balance to live in nature, to learn from nature and to hear nature and to speak with nature. And that's something that we have lost, but that we could reconnect and that we could do too. So it's not only them, it's us too. And we are in a path to share that wisdom and to share that knowledge to be able to everyone that is outside of, for example, the indigenous reserve could have this potential and cool imagine like the life that we deserve in this beautiful home that we have that is Earth, that is our mother Earth. So thank you for, for being here. And yeah, I would love to, to first give you a glimpse like, yeah, my name is Santi. I'm from Colombia. I'm a filmmaker from profession, but a permaculture practitioner in the last years. And I've been more involved into the regeneration into an agricultural and to regenerative agriculture the last years. But my main profession is as a filmmaker. So this project in Colombia, it starts as a documentary that I was doing with indigenous communities in a special place that is called the heart of the world. I will, I could, I want to share my screen for you to be able to picture this place a little bit more. I don't know if I can do it already. Yeah. Cool. So let me know if you see it. Yes, we can. Yeah. So this is America. This is the land of the condor and the land of the eagle and the land of the condor. And then we go here to Colombia, the second most biodiverse country on the planet. And we are working here in the Caribbean, in a special mountain that is the most biggest coastal mountain by the sea in the world. It's called the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta. And it's this place that if you follow my mouse, you will notice that it has a heart shape, a heart shape. It goes from the Caribbean ocean to the snow peaks, all in one. So it's declared that it's one of the most irreplaceable places on earth. There is a lot of endemic species there. A lot of, yeah, things that we could discover that is an unexplored area too is really big. It's like three states of Colombia. It's as big as Costa Rica. So in the in the northern part of Colombia, so we could say that it's a whole country. And when the conchies arrive, conchies arrive over here, the indigenous communities went up into the mountain. So they have been preserved for more than 500 years, thousands of years, living in a really incredible balance with the natural forces. So most of the communities are living this in these other parts. But since a few years ago, they started to going down. So they are recovering land and they are starting to to going down with the mountain. One of the reasons that they started to going down, it was because they realized that we will, we are reaching a point of this balance that it could be a major catalyst for humanity. So they refers themselves as the elder brothers and they call the rest of the civilization the younger brothers. So it's a culture that has more than 26,000 years in this mountain. And if our four indigenous tribes that live there, they have only oral preservation and they have really cultural stuff that is really incredible in their relationship that they have with nature. So it's really magical. It's a really magical place. They have in the last 10 years, the first indigenous reserve by the ocean after 500 years. And we are working in several points around the mountain into the culture of preservation and to reforestation with traditional cacao and coffee agroforestry projects. So 80% of the Sierra was deforested since the European conquist. And then the Colombian conflict arrived. So it was like a pluriferation, I don't know if that's a word, like, yeah, like an abundance of wheat plantations and cocoa plantations that illegal loggers that they deforest 80% of the native forest from the Sierra. The communities 30 years ago, they have been recovering the land and doing natural regeneration. They don't plant trees. They only make something that is really special that I want to share with you and it's something that they call payment. We as humans, we need to pay to the earth for the things that she give it to us. So in the same way that we pay the electricity and then we pay the things that we consume in the supermarket, there is a traditional way to pay for the air for the food for the water for the things that we receive from nature, from the medicine in a symbiotic way. So it's something that is like a spiritual payment. And this payment is something that is really incredible. I don't know. It has other forms in other indigenous communities. But I only know, for example, these indigenous communities that they do that for the whole of humanity. And it's something that it could be days of payment, even years of payment or simple actions that actions recover the balance of the ecosystem. So when we started the project and then we visit, for example, the degraded areas that the indigenous communities are recovering is incredible nature is thriving again, the forests are growing without any, any, any input or any additional help in the farmer's side. Nothing is growing and the soils are damaged and nothing grows until there is a human intervention. These payments they do it with, for example, with the special elements that are quarts that are cotons that are elements from nature. We have a little chair film that is 15 minutes that a spiritual leader talks more about in deep so you could find it on in our website. But it's something that we could learn into our daily practice to our daily life and into the regeneration project that we are carrying on. So for example, one of the things that is really special there is that when we arrive to start to land, we need to do these payments. But there is no way, for example, to create a settlement or to build something without first doing spiritual work. There is no even a process that we could plant a tree without even doing spiritual work and spiritual payments. So it's like a cleanse that we need to do first. And it's a permission that we need to ask to the land, to the spirits of the land. And then we are able to start to do in the work. It's incredible. We referenced areas that the soils are really, really damaging because of the heavy use of glyphosate and pesticides and coca monoculture that was in the past. We don't use compost, we don't use nothing to to put into the plants, just the natural payments and the trees grow healthy and and really good. So there is a special relationship. For example, when we do the sowing, we fast. After the sowing, we have a special diet. Before the sowing, we have a special diet too because you have a special relationship with the plants. So it's very important that that we could follow all the traditional wisdom of the communities to do the project. And it's something that has been really incredible and change life. Like, how do you say it? Like it changed my life in a super positive way because after doing the things like in the way that we are used to it, like sometimes we do that we want to do the things fast. And with a lot of worry and with a lot of emotions that we carry that emotions into the things that we are doing. So it's really important to have a balance first in ourselves to do the things that we want to do in a in a perfect balance. Just to say, for example, if we go stress it and we go angry and we go with a lot of heavy stuff in our in our backs to plant in a tree, the tree is going to pass that information to the plant. So it's going to have it and it's going to grow with that. So for not to do this, we do spiritual payments before and after the sowing. So I'm going to this is the this is the place I'm going to share here, something that you just to say it. This is our Machu Picchu. It's actually more older than Machu Picchu, and it's called Tijuna. And this is the first place that we arrive to start to the to the documentary project. The short film that is in our website is from a mammal that is the mammals are like the spiritual elders from the community. They are not shamans, but they are spiritual leaders. And they are like medicine man's. For a person to become a shaman, the community already knows that this person is going to be a mammal. So the community take it out in a really early young age, four years or five years, they take it to a special cave. And he's going to live in that cave for nine years without seeing the light, without eating meat, and without eating salt, without a strict diet with plants. This is like a representation and redoing, for example, of the process that we have in the womb of other of our mothers, that we go there for nine months is the same to go in there into the the cave. He's only allowed to go in out into the night. And all the time is carried by the older mammals. So he's not alone. Actually, he's learning in going into the darkness to learn about things that we could name it as yeah, like quantum physics, advanced chemics, astronomy, deep astronomy. He learns how to talk with the elements of nature, how to recognize, for example, where the birds are saying, where the water is talking, what are the message from from nature. After this process of nine years, he go outside, he see the light again as a as a reborn person. And then he start a process to walk in 360 sacred sites around the Sierra to doing these payments to recover the balance. So there is places that you do payments for the bad and for the good. They don't have this duality as we have it. For example, the bad is not bad. It's simple and energy that is exist. When it's out of the balance, it creates problems. But when it's in balance, is the perfect complement for us like the gene in john. So with the project, what we aim to do is like we are an unprofit that work into preserving all these ancient wisdom through storytelling and films and art and education and different cultural projects. But at the same time, we are doing climate positive actions with the things that we are doing. So we are working with regenerative agriculture. And together, the idea is that we could heal ourselves first and then nature. We'd regrowing these type of food forests that we have lost in every part of the world, I think is the natural way that we grow our food. But then the industrial revolution arrives, and then when the cultures arrive, and then we are used to it to eat from sources that are not natural. So the idea is to recover that part. Santi. Yeah. Are you seeing something other than a big white box? Oh, yeah, I only see a big white box. I see a PDF. We cannot see the PDF. I think it's a good idea if if you stop sharing and then share again and then click on the PDF if you share. Okay, let me get back into the call. Yeah. Your story was so wonderful. I couldn't interrupt you. Yes, now we can see that's much better. Thank you. So this is a much picture. If you didn't see it before. And yeah, like I told you the story that we are doing. So we noticed, for example, in the Sierra, there is it's not possible to do these types of reforestations that we are used to it in other parts. So the communities in the way that they are recovering the land, when they create a new settlement, they are starting to sowing again. So we noticed that that will be the best way to recover these types of food for us. They have been lost this food for us too, because of the proximity with us. So they trade some things. And they were they, they always have food, but they don't have the abundance that they have before and the food security that they have before. And the areas that the news, these new settlements are and really degradated that and in some point, they need our help to try again. So cacao is a very important plan for them. Actually is the jaguar tree. And it's a really gentle medicine that they said, like, is the medicine for the heart is there is a margin prophecy that they say that when the word will be an imbalance, cacao, it will, it will bring that balance into the heart of the people with a special connection. So all of these medicines, for example, ayahuasca and the coca that is like a really special medicine to that is really damaged into the north. Then part of of the world is something that we are starting to recover and recover the wisdom of these plans at the same time that we are saving other plans that we are losing for the climate crisis and the climate change that we are living. So, for example, there is a special plant, a special tree that we saw that is called wine model. It's in some parties know as the margin nut. And it's a tree that the mammals, when they are in the cave, is the principal element for them. When they do the pop teams, or they do the weddings, or they do long journeys, they only eat that plant and it's a super food. As the same as the coca leaves, you eat the coca leaves, and you show the coca leaves, and you don't need nothing else, like you could walk and walk and stay super clear in your mind. You could, it's a super element that is so misrepresented outside of the indigenous cultures. So this is the Mamo. This is one of the mammals that he is in the short film, like this is the Snow Peaks. And this is the mountain as I, as I showed you before is 506 is 5600 meters. And it's the mountain, it doesn't it enter into the ocean. So it's, it's not like that. And then the ocean, but the mountain is crusted into the ocean. And it's, of course, the ocean has been growing. So a few sediments are already under the water. And this is something really special. For example, they have something that is called the law of origin. This law of origin is the major law of nature and physics and thought. Not human law could be comparable with the natural law. And as they say, natural law is a simple law. It's a humble message to imitate the natural and is to maintain our wealth of both spiritual balance as material. So the Sierra Nevada is a biosphere and world heritage site. It's a network of ecosystems that balance the natural ecosystem of the rest of the world. There is, it's proven that these visions that they have, that this place is the heart of the world, biology, biologically. Yeah. I don't know. Is that the word? Yeah, it's proved that there is a micro system there in that area that in the Caribbean, that everything that happens there affects the rest of the function of the macro system in the Caribbean and the rest of the world. So as the indigenous know, everything is interconnected, but they put really special attention of this place. Because in this place, you could find from the desert to the snow peaks. So they say that it's like the representation of everything that has the world in just one place. They have been reswarting this wisdom for thousands of years. And that wisdom is invaluable for humanity. We encounter these days that there is a lot of projects that work into regeneration. And we have been talking a lot about climate and all of these things related. But we have a lack of including the indigenous wisdom. We are focused more in other things. And as someone says, like the indigenous wisdom is really scientific, but the difference is that they include the science of the heart. So it's something that we aim and that we wanted to achieve is that we have so much things to learn from them that we need to start to giving them the space and to hear them because we are not hearing them. So they started to going down actually for more than 500 years, like the last 100 years they have been going down. Actually, there is the first documentary that is in the 1920s that is made from a French guy. And they are already giving the same message. Like you are losing the balance, like be aware something is going to start to happen. The weather is going to change. Humanity is going to change. New diseases are going to start to appear. We are losing the balance. And we are worried not for us, but for you. We are not going to disappear. But you are the ones that are in risk for disappearing. So they have been teaching us and doing the same and the same and the same. And yeah, of course, like the governments and their entities that have the power to do more action. There is no inclusion, as you notice, for example, in this big conference about climate in the cops and everything, like there is no indigenous representation. And if it is, it's a really, really, really small minority. There is four indigenous tribes living there. And we could see here again, the shape art. And there is something that they call the black line. The black line is like a belt that like manchains the balance of this place and to the rest of the planet. And in these sites are the places where they go and do these types of payments. So this is the first part. And with the project, the last couple of years, we've been focusing into we talk with the community and we say, like, yeah, how is the best way that, for example, a person could make a payment to the earth? And they say like trees, planting trees, trees is a is a really important way to make a payment to the earth, because trees give us everything that we need. So they give us the food, they give us the air, they give us the go, the water, they give us the medicine, they give us the shelter, and not only for us, but for the rest of the animals and biodiversity on the planet. So they are really important. So we, we, I need to plant trees just to start to have in these types of conversations and to go into deep into this matter with indigenous communities. And it's a way that the people could connect and it's a way to the people can give to the land and give back to them. And yeah, have a relationship directly with them, not only for a moment, but for the rest of the years that that tree is going to is going to work. So we started to creating these type of food for us with the community. For four years, we do this work, self finance and yeah, independently. And since the last year, we become a nonprofit. Right now we have, we are based in Vienna, but we are still working directly with the communities. Actually, in August, I'm going back to Colombia to film a new documentary with indigenous communities about how we could improve our relationship with nature through food, through our food. So the question was like, yeah, how we can be more balanced, more healthy and have a regeneration for both sides, us and nature. And they say it's really easy, it's through the element, it's through the food, it's through the way that we grow, trade and consume our food. And that's something that right now that I'm living in Europe that I feel that is is increasing the disconnection that we have with where our food come from and how that food is growing, like how we are eating it, because we don't even say thanks to the food that we are eating every morning. So it's something that is, we become like something automatically cited or automatically we eat, but we don't give thanks for that food, we don't connect with that plant. I could say that 50% of the people doesn't know how a coffee plant looked like or a cacao plant looked like. And that could be the example with so many other plants. So we have a disconnection there that is easy to regain. And if we could focus into food in the part of the consume, how we change the production, the trading, and all that stuff, it will be incredible benefit for the airtime for ourselves and mostly for the South Global that is so unbalanced with the North. And the trading relationships that we have is the same as we have for thousands of years already, for hundreds of years, sorry. So that's things that we could change there. So we started to something that is community, regenerative agriculture, and to change the way that we trade our food. So this is why Ingrid talked about the coffee. The coffee becomes like an excuse to start doing all of this. The communities start to sell in coffee because they realize that it's a master plant. It's originally from Africa, but it's something really strange there that cacao that is native from South America ended up being the major crop in Africa. And then coffee that is the native from Africa ended up to being the major crop in Latin America. So this is an exchange of cultures. And of course, the natives adopt that the natives communities in Colombia adopt that plant. In the Sierra they have been growing coffee for almost 100 years. And they do a lot of spiritual rituals to accept that seed into the territory. They realize that us as younger brothers, we drink a cup of coffee and then we become friends. So they say like, okay, we want to do the same. Like we don't speak Spanish, but through the element, we could generate a relationship with the younger brother. And as Ingrid says too, like when we are eating something, we are eating the coats of that territory. So we are eating that soil, the water that grew that tree. And more deep into that, we are eating that plant, that territory, the people that grow that. So it's like an incredible relationship that we have there. So they started showing coffee. Coffee was one of the things that actually stopped the forestation as the same as cacao. And with that, we started to have a better relationship here with the north in something that we, for example, with the community, so we culture what we do is that we pre-sale the coffee consumption and the cacao consumption. So the consumer can pre-buy part of the harvest. And you share the finance of the farm. You share the risk of the farm. So as climate change is increasing, all the things that we started to talk in the beginning, food is going to be a major problem for us. Like and more here in Europe, like that 50% of the food, I think it comes from outside. So it's going to be more expensive. It's going to be more difficult to find. And the idea is that we could balance that relationship with the north and the south and the regeneration of the land. We could have incredible positive results. So you can pre-buy that. You have pre-buy your part of the harvest and then we deliver your consumption every month or as you want. In that way, the farmers doesn't depend on the stock market and doesn't depend on any external help or support. But they become resilient. And we use that for create funds to plant more trees and create more food for us in different communities. So to expand the project, you could have like we just released a reference station update from this year. And we have a whole part of the website that is dedicated to trustability and transparency. That is something that is really important into the climate movements and to the regeneration movements too. And the nonprofit sector, like how we are doing the things, like whether it's the money allocated and what is happening with that. So this is the coffee. Right now it has another presentation. Actually right now we are in a crowd funding for that. And this is part of the current theme that is working. Like we are working with more than 60 families there in the Sierra. And the idea is to start to expand in more and more and to include more families to regenerate more lands and to create that. After we, for example, we finance the farm, we create the food forest, we pay for the tree planting and for the treecarvings, we finance the materials. When the crop is ready three years after, we buy that harvest of fair prices, then we trade that harvest. And with the profits that we generate, we give it back to the communities. Not exactly to the same community but to different communities to start scaling up the project. And that's the idea of community supported and regenerative agriculture. Thank you, Santi. Yeah. For this, it's such an interesting topic and I feel that at least I think that we can all learn from this wisdom. And I feel that we are really disconnected with this wisdom. So it's just so interesting to hear. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Thank you. Are there any first questions for Santi? John. Yeah. I wonder is the coffee available all over the world or is it sold mainly in Europe? And how do we order that? Yeah. It's available all over the world. We chip with the ocean and it's like CO2 neutral and the things that we are doing of course cover the cost of the CO2 print. Right now it's going to have a compostable packaging too but we deliver one time in a month so the people that are subscribed we send a bank and then we send it to every part. Of course the idea is that doesn't travel too much but for the communities really important is like they said like not every person can visit the heart of the world not every person can travel to Colombia but they could travel in the form of bins to any part of the world and the people that are drinking that coffee are connecting with that cow that is going to be released the next year with our first harvest are connecting directly heart to heart with them. So we we chip it to all over the world and we send it into our website or right now we have like I'm going to change it again the screen I don't know if you could see it you see my screen yeah we have Indiegogo crowdfunding right now we have nine days more but you can find there all the information and the video and the communities talking here about why they started selling coffee and what are the things that they doing this is going to be a new packaging and yeah it's available all over the world it's a really special it's a really special coffee is produced by the moon by the star cycles they use something that is really special is that they use for example a special frog that appears to start to harvest them yeah harvest the harvest so when that frog appears they know that it's time to start doing the harvest when humming humming is the word in Spanish but this thing that flies really fast hummingbirds yeah when he appears it's another sign so everything that they do is reading nature and having a they call it a conversation with the natural world so they say that we could do that but we need to train ourselves to start doing this so for example if you would you could do that with the animals that arrive there to Monchasta and it's something that is even intuitive like maybe you start realizing after and maybe you have some times and then you're going to start to discover something that these animals wanted to try to tell you and that's really important when we are walking for example the Sierra there are parts that we cannot walk so we are going up and the Sierra is going up going down like life and then there is a certain parts that the community says like we cannot walk over here or we cannot drink water here because there is a special place of element that is not allowed for us to do it or I saw a beard and the beard says that we need to go back so that we cannot advance or that we need to stay and it's incredible because some out of this world for a lot of people but when you are there with them and they say like yeah it's going to rain and the sky is really nice and the sun is shining and now it's going to rain in a few hours and then rains and now it's going to be a storm and it's going to be thunders and they have for example the thunders are really messengers so they say like we need to hear the thunders because the thunders are saying something and they gather when there are these types of things they don't talk too much because they say that we misuse the word so that we talk too much and actually we talk more without words in the way that we express how we move words are really used to to have a sweet word from the heart so it's really special when they talk it's really precise and it's really incredible to live these things with them because you started to get used to that so every time like for example they say like if you are walking by a river you need to have good thoughts because if not that water is going to carry that thought and it's going to bring it to the ocean or to the found that it's going to go and it's going to have your energy so every time that you walk by the water or you are with water you need to have good thoughts this is why I don't know maybe you experienced it in your life but you have these showers that are really incredible and you feel like alleviated or you go into the shower and then I need a shower I need to have my space and then I need to align my thoughts so there are certain small things that we could do in our lives and that will increase our relationship with nature into a whole other level and that's something that we only could learn from them Santi I had this experience in Thailand where I went scuba diving just myself and a Swedish dive master and I and it was really bad we were actually looking for a plane crash that crashed in the sea it was a tragedy and the water was very not there was no visibility and it was very very horrible feeling and I was wearing my wetsuit and I got in out of Jeep and I drove down the road when we got back onto the land and there was this sign that said waterfall and I turned in and I said let's go let's go I want to shower I want to get this off and I drove I drove as fast as I could to this waterfall I got out of the car and I ran to the waterfall and I jumped in and I was in this pool underneath the waterfall and I came up and there was a Komodo dragon right in front of me and I was like whoa you know and this Komodo dragon looked at me and it ran away as fast as it could it was pretty funny and I was like whoa that's a close encounter but I mean he must have thought I was insane he must have thought I was some kind of wetsuit running down the thing and then jumping into the thing oh my goodness but yes it cleaned it cleaned off a lot of that stuff yeah I know I think like the relationship that we have with the animals too is really important the Jaguar and this is why our project calls Jaguar Siembra Siembra is the Spanish word for sewing it's like the Jaguar is the it's like the umbrella in the forest from the north to the south of America and it's special in all the indigenous communities like for example the Mamos if the Jaguar is not in the ecosystem the ecosystem is out of balance it's the same here in the north with the wolf and this is why the forest here and on threat because we need wolves and that's we need to put back the wolves to there is a lot of deer so the deer see the new trees and the forest that we have are not so old so it's going to be an issue for the future if we don't find that balance and it's the same with the Jaguar in Latin America the Jaguar for example in the indigenous communities is like the master spirit of of nature so it's like a special being and for them animals and plants and trees are not animal plants and trees they are beings like in the spirit form they are like us so there is Jaguar persons there is tree persons there is fish persons and that's something that they have the access to actually change and transmute into these types of elements of nature so I was really impressed for example in one time that I encountered a quarse in that area that I told you that is like our Machu Picchu and it was a hadae quarse that they use for water for sowing water for example they sow water with that quarse so they put into the land they make spiritual payments and a spring start to appear not the same day but maybe a few days later over a month or a year but it happens so they sow water with that type of quarse and with elements and I was like yeah but we don't have hadae here we don't have that like this is an ancient quarse from here but we don't have that's not from here that's more from Mexico and they told me yeah you are right so now that you notice that it's an element that that quarse is made here but with a material that is not from here so I was like yeah and how do you travel before and they was like yeah because we have lost so many capabilities into our human form before we could travel more easily like before we communicate more easily like the monks in the tibet that they use telepathy and they don't use words it's the same over the world in these communities so they say like we know all that happened into the world because we don't need we don't have the need to travel we access to that places in a spiritual form so we can go and access to these type of places and every person that could experience ayahuasca or yahe have some glimpse of that when you enter to the re-ons or other things that are really difficult to explain with words and the yawar is really special because for example the shamans in the Amazon and the imamos in the Sierra they call themselves like the yawar people so they say that they are able to transform and change the form to a yawar and project the territory and there is chronics from the Spanish conquist that they have I don't know 200 years 300 years and they say like yeah we kill a yawar and then the next day it was body of a person and that's something that in the Mexican culture is called nawales, the nawales is still practiced like for example I was in the putumayo and there is a taita that is a shaman that you could see him with a yawar like a pet like with a yawar there easily normal and that's something that of course for us is almost impossible so they have this form and then the access to these forms is something that they are losing to of course with the past of the time but it's still there and it's still preserved for example in the Sierra there is another tribe that they called it the elementals and that's something that happens in the Amazon too the elementals are the indigenous that never were conquist that they were never conquist and they live only in the caves and they are really pristine and really wild in Colombia 40% of our country is jungle we have not explored like we have as a part that is called Chivikete that you could find later but it's like the 16th couple of indigenous people and it has paintings that have 30,000 years and it's really big and really massive there is no access to that place only by helicopter and there is more than 40 indigenous tribes on-contacted tribes that live there and they are the Yawar people too so some of the stories for example from the guerrilla from the fire from the army conflict is that they have these encounters with indigenous that they become animals really magical things that for us is really far far away but if you feel it and you have it in your heart you are going to know that we as humans are really much much more that they teaches and they wanted us to believe that we are so this is something really incredible and yeah we could go deep into these topics for a long long period of time but the Yawar is really important we have been losing Yawars this is the idea of the Yawar that plant that sow that sow not only trees but these things that we are talking the stories are really important that we need to preserve that stories too and in a form of we need to learn from these people that are really well trained right now we have a new age spirituality that everyone could call a Chaman and there is a lot of ceremonies that you go and a lot of stuff that is happening but these people are really deep into the matters of nature are really trained for years and years in solitude in really special forms and it's really important to learn from them thank you Santi I see a question Kaaf thank you Santi this has just been so very enlightening to learn more about the very deep connection that these people have with the land and there is so much that we can learn from it really just that connection is incredible and that respect that actual it's not just a spoken respect it's a deep and active respect for the land it really is it's really food for thought I had a question just around the coffee production and I'm just interested to know two things firstly from the time that the tree is planted and I'm one of those people who's never seen a coffee tree I have to admit they're just not growing where I live but how long does it take to reach a stage where it can start bearing fruit and then I'm also just keen to know from a livelihoods point of view since you've started planting the coffee how big is the size of the community that's involved in the production and that does benefit from the yield from the coffee trees thank you yeah the coffee are the same as the cacao they have periods of three or four years to start producing the first harvest and after that they produce for 30 40 years like the coffee that we have is a single origin coffee it comes from I'm going to show you for this it's going to be really useful to share again the screen but it's like it comes from all trees like they have like 40 years and even the coffee producers they say like wow there is a tree that is producing so much quality because it's a specialty coffee after all of these years so this is have you seen my screen now the coffee that we have is a high altitude coffee it actually grows really close it's one day from the snow there's no before it was here and here is the coffee community that grows the coffee there are 60 families that grow the coffee they live around this area they live in different parts but the coffee is in this forest so they don't have crops the coffee just grow wild into the forest there is a lot of yeah in the past the conflict arrived and then there was a lot of people with cattle with cows and stuff like that so there is a lot of the graded areas too this is why we are these parts but here like for example there are more than 50 hectares and the whole reserve is like 6 how do you say 650 yeah and the production of the coffee is really really minimum so they only produce it's a micro lot they only produce three tons for 60 families so every family had a few coffee trees it's not too much and the idea is to increase that because in this part of the Sierra it's high altitude so for example cacao doesn't grow and other types of crops doesn't grow and coffee is really ideal for that even the other coffee productions in Colombia and the rest of the world are starting to sell in the land and going high because it's more difficult right now with the weather that we have coffee so they need to go high and high and high and the most quality coffee grows high and without use too much water so that's really special there are 60 families that are working with us in the project they have their own company they are really self-organized and they are really incredible the founder of the project is a mammal actually and his son is like a scientific indigenous in both worlds so he is really well-trained in our world he speaks really good Spanish he was working with Microsoft to do an action with the map around this area and to map the special places and he is a really incredible person so they don't produce too much it's something really unique and really special and the idea right now for example in Agus we are going to plant 25.000 trees with them coffee trees to increase that every family had more trees thank you I see that Bart has a question as well yes, Santi congratulations fantastic project I just wonder coffee is a fantastic way of reaching the world and with Colombia is there a scope to kind of export their knowledge about herbal medicine and all their wisdom about healthcare and with nature and using the way of coffee to reach the world for that way exporting herbal medicine knowledge or is this too difficult no it's actually what we are doing actually when we start the project and some of the things that the community says we sell coffee but we only sell coffee to start speaking about these other things so it's a way to connect with the land but in some more deeper way coffee is like a connector and coffee creates spaces for talk so coffee is like a friendly plant so it's really special for that and for some people it's like I just want to have a coffee but most of the things that we could do we want to do with the project is to preserve and share this knowledge in the form of our films any media that we could have we are working to have an interactive interactive map with the stories of this place too and it's a few years project that we are doing right now and the next stage for example is that in August September with equinox equinox is really important like we only make the sowings into the traditional sowings seasons so it's March and it's August why because it's the moons and the equinox so these are the the phases of the earth to do certain things so they follow the readings of the earth to do certain things so it's not the same if we plant a tree in July or if we planted that tree in March or in August when the earth is ready to receive that tree in some way for example September and equinox is really when the sun is going down and then winter is coming it's really an effective time and it's a special place it's a special side time for talk and for weave thoughts and for concentrating meditation March is when the sun is going up so we have more energy so it's the time for doing more and for example in Colombia we don't have these too often because we don't have seasons but I notice more like and you notice summer and everyone is outside it's really crazy I need to do things I cannot notice it at home I need to do something and in winter everyone is more chill, more calm so it's kind of that natural rhythm but more deeper with things and for example with projects too so they say like it's not time to build the house it's not the time the perfect time is this time because the forces of nature the moons the start everything is alienated to doing that and it's going to be uplifting this this project so this is all the things that we want to share and not even only share but that the people could go and visit the place and learn from the community too that's the next step but that's something that we are to do this is why we are like a storytelling trans media project that the idea is to preserve all of these the films that we are going to do are going to be directed by the community so it doesn't have too much our outside view but most with the things that they are doing and all of these we created making circles and talking and talking and as they say we've been our work so the same as we are doing here thank you sorry thank you Santi I see Christina also ask a question very very fascinating about your story she asks if you have recommendation for some more readings books or documentaries um yeah yeah I'm gonna there is one that it's actually the only documentary it's not the only one but it is it's like in the 90s Alan Herrera that is an English filmmaker went with the BBC to the Sierra with the Coggies and then they say like a warning in the 90s everything is going to be out of balance the weather is going to change we need the quartz and the gold to be able to recover that balance and he made a film with the BBC 20 years later he went back we don't hear them so we are going to make a new film so you could watch both biggest films made there there is another films that are made by the community that are really incredible and they have more ancient wisdom and a different way of approach because it's not someone from outside telling the story but it's from the inside but these films are not available and are difficult to find most of them are in Spanish too but um yeah a lot of people speak Spanish so it's okay so the main film is a Luna and the only one I'm going to recommend is an indigenous filmmaker there that you could find out of videos um I'm going to share it with you there and books there is um a French guy that he has a foundation that is called Chendukwa that they are buying the land back and give it to the Coggie it's a beautiful process um and he wrote a book and how he was sick in the Sierra he almost died um and the Coggie saved his life with plant medicines and with his spiritual work since then 30 years ago he started to work into um give back to the communities that saved his life um they have been recovered hundreds of hectares they have been recovered and give it back to the community um and they have a really amazing project and he has a book that is called like the new the new humanity is I think is called I'm looking for the other link but but yeah I will put it here in the chat um Yes I'm also curious something now you are living in Europe how you uh incorporate all the ancient wisdom in this western lifestyle or do you disconnect loads of the time from from the western world uh it's a it's a nice question like um for me the process have been really really beautiful like I don't know like Vienna is an incredible city that is really connected with nature in amazing ways it's like uh two blocks from here I have the most biggest forest in the area so I could walk there and then there is foxes there is deer there is everything in the middle of the city we have a river so every day in the summer I um in the end of the work I go to the river and take my baths and I don't feel that this connection here um for example it was more difficult in Bogota because Bogota is a 20 million people city it's really massive it's really big like to reach a natural area you need to go outside of the city so it was more difficult there actually living here there is two million people for me it's like more um it's going and everything works in an incredible way there is an advancement here in harmony and equity in some ways that it's only here you know um but it's incredible so it's something that uh this could be I always say that Vienna could be the example of how the cities of the world could be but only if the people here realize that that benefits and that privilege is built in doing something not something's not so good to the rest of the world so if you share these and you open these to the rest of the world humanity will change and it's something that is going to start to happen more people from the south are coming to here more people from the north and going to the south and it's actually a prophecy from indigenous communities too because in some way we are like a messengers and we need to start to talking about these things to creating new species and to reactivate the places that are here so for example there is a lot of friendship with them here from the Celtics, from the other traditions that were here that the people forgot that was one of the first questions that I arrived with what was the indigenous communities about here now we don't have indigenous communities and now you have you have been colonized too by the church and everything and you lose that but it's there so is there maybe not into the people even into the people there are people that still carry that traditions but it's there into the mountains into the forests that are places that have that codes and you could access to that codes and it's not so difficult it's just simple going there see it, meditate and make natural payments I could share a way that I do that for example to make my payments and it's something that I learn from the Sierra every time that you want to make a payment you need to go for a river or a big stone or a massive tree because these are like amplifiers or are places of value places of value are like Stonehenge Pyramid sites Pristine forest these are places of value this is why when we enter there we feel better because we recognize our self-value that we have lost that too so this is one of the major imbalance that we have we don't love ourselves so now we could love nature if we don't start with ourselves it's like there is no there is no way to go there and that's something that actually pass a lot here that something that shocks me a lot that a lot of people here they have everything but they feel sad, they feel disconnected they don't know and something that you go to Colombia and then we don't have nothing but we are happy and then we I don't know but when you want to make a payment I'm going to share with you a small way to do a payment so you need to go to a river to a forest or to a big rock because these rocks are alive the rocks are alive this is why all the indigenous traditions build everything in rocks because they are they are alive they are not there just for being strong and they have the energy so you go there and then you sit you put your intention you have your space and imagine that anything that you were going to pay so for example I try to pay every morning for the food and for being alive so I say like okay thank you life for because I'm alive today and give me the strength and the force to be creative to be focused to be happy to have joy to do the things that I'm going to do today and then grab your hands into your heart and imagine a gold energy around you that we have it now we have our aura this is why we feel people and we have that aura grab that energy and imagine it's like a gold heart and give it back to nature so imagine your ancestors all the nature spirits all of the natural world and give that energy to them and proclaim this is my payment in energy for for doing this and do that with everything that you're going to do with a project with everything like pay pay pay for the air because we need to pay like it's not like mother air give us everything and she doesn't want energy in return now that's the most biggest lie in the world like if you don't give love to your mother you need to sing her song she's going to be happy singing is is another way to to pay this is why all the traditions around the world they sing and dance because singing and dance is a way of payment and needs something that we need to do this is why all the rituals the epinox the saltis they're making payments with Joe with joy another way to to do these types of of payments is with sweat with sweat like sweating is your water this is why when we plant trees we regenerate the land we are paying too when we do physical work with it with the natural environment with your blood for the women's you could give your blood to the moons and it's going to have you're going to be different it's a way to pay it for example in the traditional indigenous traditions they put the placenta that is the representation of the universe they sow the placenta it's a way to give it back for that life and with your moon you could do that with your plants you could put it into your plants make a payment and and that's a simple way to do it of course there is more and more and they have it more but that's a simple way and it's something that they do and when I go for example to a river I I submerge myself four times cleaning all the bad bad things or bad stuff that I carry for the week for my life and when I'm going out from the river I recharge myself with four positive thoughts so do it that too every time that you go to the water four times four is a really special number in the Sierra everything is four four indigenous tribes living there four directions there are more but yeah four seasons four is a special number in nature too wow so beautiful thank you for sharing thank you I had this amazing idea when you were talking about the coffee and the relationship and I thought about all these coffee shops all over the world the what are those Starbucks and so on why don't maybe the ecosystem restoration camps movement should come together and make coffee shops in all the major cities around the world and only to have the coffee from from regenerative coffee plantations coffee with communities and camps and we can have music there we can have libraries of all the most important restoration books and we can have film nights and poetry and all of these theater whatever we want there book readings and we can have great coffee because you're right people come together around coffee they have a coffee it's a stimulant it's a legally addictive stimulant most consuming drug in the world but yeah it's only treated we need to advance a lot of that but that's the idea for example this that's a project that we have for the next year we wanted to do it in the beginning of the last year but of course everything is not set to be ready but we are going to open our office that is going to be a place for cultural stuff and it's going to be a coffee place we are going to be focusing coffee and cacao because both are really incredible and that's the idea to bring a space that people could go there learn from the project learn from the indigenous communities learn from the restorations that we are doing and start to living with us in a more online and that will be awesome to replicate it around the world it will be super special you know like in Jordan there is the what's the name of that place Elham's villages anyway in Jordan there are several villages in a watershed Elham Abadi runs this place by Yuda village and this is so nice they have many products and so could you imagine all of the different camps second has numerous things with organic teas and cotton organic cotton products that would be so wonderful if we had all of the things aggregated together in places and that those places were places where you could have a conversation we could even put video in there and record it and have television programs emanating from these things such a good idea that's something to consider if it's not about a transactional economics it's not commodified it's about growing community around the world and growing more restoration so it's not some corporation trying to take over the world and own everything but it's about coming together in joy and having those pure thoughts about in our energy in our relationships with one another we are doing what we need to do to ensure when we are no longer here on the earth that ecosystems are functional for our children and future generations Bart? Just a short question sorry to mention it but the dreadful words Covid is doing badly with the corona crisis do the indigenous people suffer or do they get special protection from the government? From the government you cannot expect I think anything in any part of the world I would say not too much actually something really impressive is that the communities they have been talking about the virus for a couple of years already so when the virus arrived they were self-isolated they already know that something was going to come two years ago actually we were with them with one of the reforestation partners that we have his father was one of the biggest indigenous leaders there and he suffers something like the mamas they have a special language so not every person of the community they understand them but they have a special language for example is if you talk with a scientist that speaks with a lot of terms that are different he is not a mamo but he one night something happened and he started to talk like a mamo in a place so the community says like wow he is possessed and they started doing like spiritual work and to rebalance but he was talking like an older mamo like only the mamas could understand what he was saying and he was saying that something was going to come to the air that is what's going to make that whole humanity it was going to go to the cave so it was going to go to our cave and that's something that happened that everyone went in quarantine we go into our caves we deal with our emotions with the things that we have unsolved the relationships with our families and everything and they say that it's a period that is going to last four years in these four years yeah, for us as always if humanity doesn't learn the lesson in these four years something more is going to come so they are really when they isolate themselves what they are starting to do it was payments and payments and payments to maintain the balance of the the virus and not be able that the virus enter to the Sierra so one of the things that we do it was never to talk about the corona not even name it so they say when you name it you bring it and they force we are not going to with that name we are going to reference with the illness of the world that combines all the illness but they were gathering and for days and months doing a spiritual work and a spiritual work to maintain that balance not for them because they don't have it but for us that is most beautiful part they do all of these things not only for them but for all for us they are not worried about the corona so in a few cases they treated with natural plants and they say that when you do that when you have a good diet when you are healthy and thought it's not something to worry about it it's more the fear that media has and the government has that if you have it you are going to die and we will go into fairies and to something like that but from the indigenous perspective they have a lot of cases because they have been gathered for example in one town they have a lot of cases nothing happened everyone was fine they treated with natural remedies nobody dies only one person died and we don't know if it was for covid because Colombia had a covid cartel so the hospitals were saying you have covid you died for covid because they charged to the government for every person that died so nobody knows the numbers really what's happening so the message from the communities it was like when a mother gives birth in the beginning it was going to hurt but then it's going to be a new life so we need to focus on that it's going to be a new life a lot of things change after that a lot of people rebalance their lives a lot of people think of things that they never thought before we realize that we are more connected even the rich, even the poor we already have something in common that unites that was this experience and the message for them is that if we don't recover the balance and the spiritual side it's going to be it's going to be tough for us in the future years so that is the thing and sometimes for example this is the holistic part that we need to bring the material part is what we do recover the ecosystems plant the trees, regenerate the land and we need to work too hard into the holistic part into the spiritual part and how we recover that balance because one is not going to work without the other one and maybe why we accepted this project if we balance the heart of the world as we could balance the the rest of the earth I agree entirely I think there is a huge mental crisis especially with youngsters in mental care it's a big problem isolation, addiction to iPhones and all that and I wonder how to your message from working together with nature bringing to this thousands and thousands people who feel really lonely and youngsters this is a real issue all over the rest of the world yeah I think the best way is to going to the land is something that we need to do it more and quarantine isolation is not going to work it's going to make the things worse you get depressed during moon systems go down they try to force the people to think you are going to be protecting the other people and that's true but until a certain point so the message for them is like the contrary, you need to go outside you need to eat from the earth you need to go into the rivers you need to connect with that you need to connect with nature because there is no the scientists and the doctors they are talking about a lot of yeah you need to isolate but they don't talk about how you could improve your immune system with food with healthy food there is something that we need to eat that is B12 that is earth is in the earth so it's something that we should be eating earth like the dusty veggies, all of that we need to be in contact with microbes, with virus because it's the only way we have been surviving for thousands of years so they are part of us we cannot separate that and say this is something that is going to interrupt humanity and this is why the communities are not worried so they isolate themselves for six months they do a spiritual work for it and right now they are reopening slowly thank you thank you are there any other questions for Santi I personally do have one more maybe the last question I'm just very curious about the love relationship in the community is that something that we can learn from as well maybe to end the question or to end the session yeah it connects the same with the other question that you talk about for example there is a leader that we work and he is a really medicine man when he spoke and it's really beautiful and he talks about our self-value and the love love is the most beautiful energy on the planet we all have it we already feel it in so many forms but in some point with society and the way that we grow we lose from ourselves our love we start to have more doubts and more things and then they say you need to be successful or maybe you are not good enough or someone from your family told you you are not good enough or I don't love you and that's something that is like not that we start to create in our brain actually in more deeper in our metaphysical spirit so this is a disconnection that we have all over the world not only to younger but the older generation grow up in a difficult environment too and it's something that we need to recover we need to hug more we need to kiss more we need to hug ourselves more we need to give us every morning like yeah I love it I'm valued I'm supported I already have everything I don't need anything else if I need it it's gonna come but we need to start to talk to ourselves with love most important to ourselves because when that relationships that is the one that is gonna dictate all of their relationships that we have with other people so if you talk yourself back then you are gonna talk with other people back and your word is not gonna be sweet so sometimes they say it's like no, it's ego they use it with you when you only talking about you no, no, no, no it's in the contrary the most precious thing on this planet is you so it's me I am the most precious thing on this planet because I am the one that have this experience and I need to share that love that I have with my family that is my first love so my mother is my first love my father is my first love if I don't have good things with them I need to I need to arrange it we cannot live like that the only way is that to make that knots that break and that's something that for example ayahuasca in a neuro neurological way does ayahuasca when you take ayahuasca what ayahuasca does is breaking down these knots that you create in your neurons that is thoughts that you reinforce so every time that you think more about it it grows, it grows, it grows and imagine right now we are growing already thinking this for 20 years I already have it here so this is why people go to the jungle they say like wow I feel reborn I have different thoughts I don't have that anymore but we don't need ayahuasca to do that we need to change the thought everything in our life in any indigenous community this is why they don't talk too much because we are thought everything that we thought is already here every thought are seeds so depends on what we are sowing is the reflection of our life and we need to learn so it's not so easy like yeah I'm thinking good everything is beautiful everything is happening it's going to be like a Sierra it's going up and it's going down the important part is how are going to be the thoughts that I'm going to have when I'm going down and because I need to going up again so if I know that I'm going up again I know that yeah I feel frustrated I feel anxious it's a part of the process it's good to feel that but then I need to read of that so I'm going to make my payment my rebrain with my thought and then I'm going up again and at some point I'm going down again you cannot stay in the top of the mountain it's not possible so the only way that we could learn is to going down with joy that's something that is really special we are going down, let's going down be chill, be calm something is going to happen and of course it's really easy to talk about these things but to put it in practice is our is our job is the job that we have in front of us is the job that all the regeneration movements and the climate movements we have in front we have this course that everything is bad we are dying everything is falling apart and it's true but how we react to that is going to be the major change of what we are living so when I was starting the project in the Sierra I arrived like that I feel overwhelmed, we are destroying the forest how we are going to do, I don't have money I come from a humble family what I could do and the first thing that they told me is like chill down you are going really fast like be care from yourself first and then we could move on and I started to notice that we were planting trees and they stop and they go into the tree and they start to, they have something that is called poporo that is a special element from nature where they connect with nature like some way they say it is our cell phone to speak with nature and they go with that and they sit and meditate and I was like no but we need to finish this up and I was like no we need to think about what we just do if we don't think about what we just do, the next movement that we are going to do is going to be permeated it's not going to be pure maybe we are going to lose something so to be able to not lose that because that would be the surprise element we need to reflect and we need to calm down so sit share with us we have an hour without almost talking and then we went back again to doing so everything that they do is with patience and the other thing is that they told me there is no way to save the world without joy there is no way there is no way to save ourselves and nature without being happy so we have major problems we don't have funding the people doesn't care about these thousands of times and nothing happened what we could do how we could awake humanity to be able to gather with us and to be more active how we could do that the only ways to be in the example of that is my energy is going to dictate the energy of the other ones I know that a lot of people feel inspired by John a lot of people feel inspired by Inge by Kat, by Frida everyone that is here around their homes and this is a wave that is going to start to expand and expand and expand and they told me that like come here have fun plant the trees try to laugh most of what you can and have places have spaces for reflection in these places be serious be focused but try to be always with joy and the other thing that I forget to say is when you make the payments for example to put in the heart out the golden heart and to bring it to nature put that emotion to that because the emotion is energy and emotion so it's going to put it out so be happy okay I'm going to put this feel grateful I feel fullified feel fullified because sad payment be sad it's cool too but we need to start to work more with our emotions and to put it into the realm that we cannot see it but it's there thank you Santi what a beautiful and I think for this session I think we all learn so much I I wrote down so much because there are beautiful lessons so again for sharing them thank you and thank you everyone for joining this session I wish you a very lovely evening or day or wherever you are and hope to see you next time yeah thank you very much everyone I hope that you have a great day and let's keep growing together we are the forest well said bye thank you