 I think we're ready from our end. Go ahead. All right, if it's four o'clock, we will call the April 13th architecture review board meeting to order. We are doing this as primarily a call-in meeting and experimenting with technology we haven't really worked with before. So for any of the public tuning in, please bear with us as we deal with any potential technical difficulties. And Chad, I believe we need to do a roll call to confirm we've got everyone and a quorum. Joe Clark. President. Alderperson Savalio. I am here. Jerry Jones. Yeah. Richard Lindy. Here. Pam Langen. Bob Heimerl. And Charlie Wig. We have a quorum. Great to thank you very much. Just have to remember to unmute myself. And now we will do the Pledge of Allegiance. If everyone can stand and face the flag that's in their room or face east or some proximity thereof. And as we will try to do the Pledge of Allegiance together without too much feedback. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. That was interesting. For the board members item 1.3, if we can identify any potential conflicts of interest for today's meeting, not hearing any, I am assuming there are none. And we will move on to item 2.1 approval of the minutes from the March 23rd meeting. Make a motion to approve as presented. Second. We have a vote from Jerry and the second was that Bob. And Chad, do we need to do a roll call vote for this or can we do a voice vote? We do. So Joe Clark. Aye. Alderperson Savalio. Aye. Jerry Jones. Richard Lindy. Robert Heimerl. Aye. Charlie Wig. Aye. Motion passes. Thank you very much. That brings us to item 3.1, the proposed exterior remodel of Sheboygan area credit union at 1707 Indiana Avenue. If the team from Hock Mueller can do some introductions and then I believe Tom will be guiding us through the images while Mike makes a presentation. Hi, this is Mike Muller from Hock Muller Architects. And Tom Lawrence is with us as well. And I'm happy to give a walkthrough. I don't, I don't have the benefit of having the live image that Tom sees right now. But I'm basically going to tell the story as far as what we are proposing. Everyone hear me. Okay. It sounds good. Thank you. Good. Okay. Good. I'm going to actually, I guess just kind of a quick overview. You said you're on the aerial image. I am on the aerial image. Okay. Just kind of clue everyone on where this is. The top edge of that image would be Indiana Avenue. The main entry of the building is on the north of the northwest corner. And I guess the main part of this project is we're looking to, we've got a building that the exterior of it is very, very dated and very weathered. And we are looking to improve the exterior appearance of the building. The other issue is the existing entry is really not not the most visible. We are looking to do a small addition where the existing entrances to actually make the entrance. Sounds like you. That's structural is there. Okay. So structural got away. So step step one of the, I guess the main part of this is to reclad the entire existing building to kind of bring it more to date. Part of the other part of it is to provide the entrance that's more visible. And lastly, there's a few sites adjustments that we're making to just make it more user friendly and to help beautify it as well. I'm sure I'll flip to the site plan. Yep. Okay. There's a small area that's kind of post shade in the front. And I guess Tom, I'm referring to the addition. Just to give everyone an idea of how small it is. It, I think we're talking maybe 300 square feet. We're going to be redoing the entrance walkway right in front. And as part of that, we will also be relocating the accessible parking directly across reason for that location in case anyone's curious is we just feel it's safer access point for any patrons using those spaces. We're having it next to the entrance. The difference being if it was next to the entrance people would be having to walk behind parked cars whereas where we're proposing it. It's a direct shot into the entry. The other item and Tom I'm moving towards the north. There's an existing parking spot stall that we would like to remove and replace with landscaping. The going down from that there's a small narrow island that we are proposing to remove replaced with paving stripe it and there's actually two islands that we're showing that happening left purpose of doing that is to make snow plowing more accommodating. And in a staff level meaning we had the larger the two islands next to the driveway. There was some concern expressed with that being removed. And as of right now the last I had heard is that that will be staying. And Steve, if you're there if you want to chime in please, you know, please do. Going further down. There's a low part of the parking lot that's on the east side. That does not drain that well. And we are going to be working with the study to put in a storm inlet at that point. So that's the type of storm system out on 17th Street. Lastly, lastly, south side of the property. There's an alley, which is in disrepair. And the credit union would actually like to repay them. And we will be working with the city to repay that per city specs. building, we're going to be adding some additional landscaping to improve the appearance of that side right now. I believe it's mostly all gravel. And that's it for the site. Unless, Tom, is there something you're seeing that I'm not? No, I think that's about it. Okay. Take a look at the floor plan. And there's really not too much to see on this, but I guess you just point out the new entrance. Instead of facing the west, it will be facing Indiana Avenue towards the north. Be a wider entry, double door entry. There's an existing night depository box up in that corner which will get relocated. And our goal is to relocate it to drive through lane number one. I want to point this out but, well, I will. We're looking at it. There's a beautiful rooftop unit currently on the roof visible from, that was sarcasm, visible from Indiana Avenue. And we are going to be removing the rooftop unit as part of kind of the beautification of the exterior. And we'll get replaced with a furnace that we'll get tucked into a new closet. And Tom, if you want to designate that, so everyone knows where that is, can that's really it for the floor plan? I'm going to switch to the next sheet. And I guess in the next sheet here, we're looking at some before, some existing photos and then some renderings of what we're proposing. And what I guess the story I'll tell on this is much of the exterior is some very weathered wood siding. Some areas where I can actually push my finger into it. What we're looking to do is remove all of the existing wood siding right down to the studs. And then we're going to reskin it. And the areas that are between the windows will be reclad in stone material. The areas below the windows. And also there's a wide face band up top. That's going to be reclad in a pre-finished panel. And right now we're looking at a metal system. And it has sort of a kind of a rust color to it to lack a better description. And I believe I'm in that sheet. Oh and you know what? I forget there was I had actually emailed a photo of the materials. I don't know if everyone has had a chance to see those yet. I'll assume so but if not, what we're showing on sheet two is actually very close to those colors and that's wound. Backing up to sheet one, the new entrance. What we're doing with that is we are actually elevating that portion of the building. More of a tower effect with wide corners. Some high glass over the entry doors with a new canopy. And I am sorry I got distracted here. I guess back to the exterior is recladding that theme of the stone with the metal pre-finished panels rather. That we are going to carry all the way around the entire building. It's not just on the front. It's not just on the two street sides. It'll be all four sides. And the existing canopy support columns currently are I believe concrete. Those will also get clad in a combination of stone and pre-finished panel. A new signage. We are proposing a wall mounted signage directly over the entrance. Tom, do you want to add anything else? I feel like I'm glossing over something but I think I've also covered it too. There we go. We've got some, Mike mentioned the flying corners. We're adding some brackets for some visual support. They aren't structural but they speak to the structure. We're also talking about where did we leave Mike the coping? I guess what we're presenting on the middle is we're showing kind of a dark green coping over the entire new fascia band as well as the flying cornice. It'd be a color in keeping with the credit union's logo and their color. But as we're looking at the material samples where we're taking a step back and we're almost thinking we may want to reserve that green coping just for the flying cornice at the new entry. And then where the wide fascia band occurs, perhaps instead of green we might want to use more of a bronze coping that would match the actual window colors, the existing window colors to remain. Just so we're not introducing another color into the mix. I personally think that would be an improvement but I guess I'm willing to share what all the board members think as well. And I'm currently showing the second sheet that has some materials indicated on it. Those aren't the actual photographs of the materials that we would be using and I'm trying right now to attempt to get photographs of the actual materials. Everybody should have those though I think. Yeah and that was another attachment in the board docs document that they had provided some pictures of the actual samples and to those who are here I got some pictures here to take a look at. All right this is Joe Clark. Thank you for that presentation. I think we'll hop in with questions from the board. First I'd like to say it's a huge improvement to the building so it's much appreciated and I think we're probably just going to be talking about smaller details. Can you clarify for me the existing window frame system? I believe the note said that was staying. Yeah the existing window frames are aluminum frame have a commercial grade aluminum frame. Those would be left to remain. And on the photographs that are in our package it looks as if those are a dark green finish is that correct? No I believe what they did there is and Tom I think I'm accurate in saying this but I believe the window frames are actually a bronze color. Yeah in some areas they applied they actually applied a wood trim over them. That might be the green you're saying. I have some closer up images that I can share if you just give me a second. Yeah I just zoomed in on the board photographs they're green there but that does look as if it may just be the verticals the horizontals maybe a dark bronze behind that so it could be as you say just the trim element over the top. Yeah in fact one of those trim elements is where I was able to push my finger into so do you know that's just a case applied trim. Okay you can see that there's a currently like a dark green wood trim around a bronze window frame but the intention would be that the wood what we replace it the wood with would be the same color as the sort one. So then to your question about the green and how extensive to use that complimenting the signage of the logo is my thought would be it's a nice subdued color scheme with the bronze trim and the rusty finish metal panels with the stone. The green and the elevation views seem to be a little overpowering that maybe just keeping it focused at the entry piece would be my preference but certainly here from the rest of the board on that. The only other question I had was on the monument sign that's shown in one of the renderings but doesn't appear on the site plan. Is that part of this project? I can speak. They might correct me if I'm wrong but the monument sign isn't having any work done to it I believe. Right it's a pre-existing sign and I just wasn't shown on the site plan but it's there it's already there. Okay I had missed that on Google Earth so perfect thank you. Yeah that sign was that sign was went to plan commission maybe about a year ago was probably a 15 foot three-sided sign and so they lowered it down to that monument sign with the electronic reader board so that sign is presently there and the site improvements that were originally talked about take those yellow lines that you can see in the photo and it make that into additional green space. That will be very nice. Great other questions from from the board. As Richard Lindy I'm very pleased with the design that they've come up with I haven't heard the word beautification since Lady Bird Johnson talked about beautification of our highways but you've done a very good job of making this a beautiful corner and I congratulate you. Thank you. This is Bob Heimerl. I would agree with Dick on that as well it looks great. I agree with Joe too. I think I'd prefer the dark brown scoping over the green if I understood you correctly Joe for the bulk of the building. I do have a question though you're keeping those existing windows is that what you said but the green will be coming the green will be coming off of that you said you take it off. That's correct. Okay. I'm just curious how that's going to work but if you think you can do it great. Well that the big question we have is how the wood trim is actually fastened and I didn't see any visible fasteners so I don't know if they actually use like some PL 400 or something but the goal is to pull off the wood because it is really bad and then we know in fact the aluminum frames are in good shape but until we dig into we don't know the specifics about how it's going to come off. Yeah good luck. I hope it goes well. Yeah hopefully it comes off really. Yeah. This is Joe Clark again I would just say to that point as you do that demolition take off that green trim depending on what you find under there if there are different finish approaches needed to make sure there's a nice new clean seeming finish to those existing frames please make sure that you keep staff up to date on those. It may be that you need to come in with something else if they need to hide the end up. Other comments questions from the board? This is Jerry Jones just wanted to point out I think the two biggest things I had as a concern were addressed during the presentation. One was the visible utility on top of the building which is going to be nice to your word of but the second was the treatment on the south side of the property because we're hugging right up against the neighbors there I was just hoping maybe I missed it I apologize but if you could walk me through what the treatment on the south side of the building is going to be again. Yeah for starters the actual alley paving which is really pitted up and at this point that's going to get all cleaned up and repaved but the area between the edge of the alley and the south side of the building currently it's mostly all gravel and what we're proposing to do is put a landscape bed in immediately next to the building for about half the distance between the building and the alley and the other remaining half would be paved and purpose of that little paved area is primarily for snow storage in the winter but I guess the end result is what we're doing is we're softening that backside with landscaping and we're cleaning up the paving. Great thank you for that I think it just helps set the table for the rest of that corner moving forward so I appreciate that. All right anyone else if not I would certainly entertain a motion at this point. I'll make a motion to approve as presented with the following changes metal C to be a bronze color to match the the existing entryway door color except for in the new entryway area where it is highlighting the green color does that make sense to everyone? It did to me is anyone not clear on that? So so the coping the coping at the cornice at the entry stays green everywhere else it is a color to match the the dark bronze. I'd be okay with that and I believe that was how you had worded your your motion Marcus was there a second to that? Jerry I'll second thank you so we have a motion and a second any further discussion hearing none we'll go to the roll call vote so I believe on this one rather than our usual yeas and nays in turn is it as your name is called please indicate either a yay or a nay in support of that motion. Joe Clark. Yay. Older person Savalio. Yay. Jerry Jones. Yay. Dick Lindy. Yay. Pam Langen. Yay. Robert Heimerl. Yay. Charlie Wigg. Yay. Seven or whatever the number is all past. That's a change out of that new math buddy. Hey Joe can I make one comment? Thank you very much. Please do. Just wanted to say thanks to Bob Walliser from Sheboygan area credit union and Mike Miller. Those guys came in and talked to staff and really you know presented something that was a real nice improvement to that area was nice to have a conversation that was an easy conversation to say yes we want this and this project just like the former Clark station on shell Indiana Indiana Avenue's corridor that we're looking to improve and and this business certainly starts the enhancement of that section of the quarter corridor so we really appreciate it. Thank you to all of you for that. Any other comments from the board otherwise we will take a motion to adjourn? Yeah I had one more comment Joe. I'm not sure if everyone knows or not but Ray Hain who had served on the architectural review board saw an obituary that he had passed away on Wednesday April 8th so just wanted to acknowledge Ray's participation on our committee and he was a good man and a friend and just wanted to acknowledge his participation and his help in many of the projects that we've been recently dealing with. Thank you Steve yeah he'll be missed. Very much so. Looks as if our next meeting is scheduled for Wednesday April 29th which is a non-typical day Steve do you want to talk to that point? Yeah what typically happens is as everyone's aware the election just took place and so there's a couple of meetings that the old council finishes up and then the new council is brought on board and at the third Monday in April the committees are selected and older persons are placed on certain committees and so the reason for the meeting on that Wednesday is the council doesn't meet till that Monday evening when we typically meet so they wouldn't have made the appointments official so we changed that meeting to that Wednesday so that the appointees are all official and then we can conduct business. Perfect thank you for that summary and if there are no other comments or pieces that people want to add we have a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. Am seconded it and Chad do we need a roll call for this one too? No all eyes is fine. All right all in favor please signify signify by saying aye. Aye. Anyone opposed and we are officially adjourned thank you all very much and thanks for bearing with the technology. Yes thank you thank you guys. Bye. All right thank you.