 I speak of it in terms of the disintegration of the story or even the mythology that helps us make sense of the world, that tells us what things mean, that tells us what's real, tells us who we are, how to live. These stories are breaking down because they're not working anymore. So for example, somebody who once pretty much believed the dominant narratives about, you know, like how to be healthy, for example. You go to the doctor and the doctor fixes you and science is progressing and people are getting healthier and healthier and they can fix more and more things, you know, and then you get some autoimmune condition, for example, that was extremely rare 50 years ago and the doctor can't fix it and like, and then maybe you go to an alternative healer eventually when you get desperate and they can fix it, you're like, okay, what I've been told is not true. What else am I being told that, you know, might also not be true. So there's this creeping radicalism and it's quite normal almost to flip from everything they're telling us is true to nothing they are telling us is true. Everything is a conspiracy, everything's a hoax, everything's a lie and people go down the rabbit hole. I mean, 9-11, truth or I mean, that's not actually that far, you know, that's, I mean, you know, there are people out there who are believe the moon landings were faked, who believe the earth is flat, who believe nuclear weapons or hoaxes and, you know, that the Sandy Hook school shooting was fake and like all these things. And you know, like people, it's so comforting to have a story of everything, a totalizing narrative that tells you that that gives you the illusion of control in the world, that gives you an illusion of certainty that tells you here's your place, here's how to live, like that's comforting. So when that is stripped away, when that crumbles, people often jump to another totalizing narrative, which could be a cult, you know, it could be like the joint occult or a radical political movement or QAnon or something like that. And really where we have to go is into the place of being comfortable with not knowing. Maybe some things were being told by the authorities are true and some aren't. Maybe the vaccines are much more dangerous and less effective than we're told, yet they're not a diabolical plot by reptilian aliens to call the sheep, you know, like that place of uncertainty is uncomfortable for a lot of people and it applies to the climate debate too. What if the biosphere is becoming increasingly deranged and unstable and there isn't one thing that we can use to explain it all. That's called fundamentalism. I call it carbon fundamentalism. The one thing and if we could only, it's so comfortable to have one thing that's the enemy and the key to all your problems. That's why in a way like the coronavirus was a relief because here we have declining health, all of these ambient anxieties and fears and here's something you can be afraid of. Here's something you can control. It's an identifiable pathogen so we can, you know, walk down, quarantine, distance, et cetera, et cetera, and now I'm safe. So with the degradation of the biosphere, it's the same thing. It's painful to watch it happen. Oh, and here's one thing, an enemy. Let's find an enemy and attack the enemy. That is a pattern of action that civilization as we know it is quite familiar with.