 All right, it's a very good morning to you. Today happens to be a brand new day and indeed a brand new week. We're back with a breakfast, not just a breakfast, but also election coverage right here on Plus TV Africa. The 27th of February is two days after the 25th of February when Nigerians trooped out en masse, you know, to go vote for the presidential and national assembly elections across the country. I mean, the Independent National Electoral Commission had given us a lot of information as regards what was going to transpire. As a matter of fact, we had INEC telling us that not all those who are registered to vote were going to be able to participate in the election. We've seen that out of all the registered voters, those who were going to be able to vote in the election amounted to 87,209,007. That was what we got from the Independent National Electoral Commission. I'm glad to say we have joining us to analyze what transpired on Saturday and Sunday because in some parts of the country, in Kogise, for instance, the elections had to hold on Sunday in 141 polling units after the cancellations. I'd like to say a very good morning to Upunaboi and Kutariya, I guess, this morning on the breakfast. Mr. Kutariya, good morning. Thank you very much for your time. Good morning. All right, still the Nigerian elections coverage on Plus TV Africa. Were you able to vote on Saturday, Upunaboi? Because we saw that your governor, the man that is affectionately called Nyerishi, the governor of River State, Ezeo Yasubike, had some issues with his beavers by a voter accreditation system. And he had to go home and come back for a while before voting. But his wife, even his wife, the all-powerful Justice Ebrechi Suzette Yasubike, could not get accredited. So what was your experience like? Not really. Not really. That wasn't the general problem. But that's not what the situation was. What was the issue? Are the prospects of our lives more expensive than that? 2002, you should. A situation where local government and wise some appears to be electric to go for the land that didn't, as was talked about by the government. We received several complaints. Yesterday, I heard from the Labour Party's South-South Zonal Vice Chairman, Prince Fever Rubin, who had nothing but complaints about the results of elections in River State, where we've seen a tug-of-war between the APC and Labour Party. So from your observation, would you say that the election in Pohakota River State in general was peaceful? Let's start from that because the incidences in River State from 2015 to 2019 led the nation, as far as violence and elections are concerned. So in terms of peace and election violence, how would you score those elections in River State? Let's start from there before we go to the rest of the country. 17% because you had violence everywhere you had to assume. So that's what it was. You cannot really see the elections in the West if you are federal and passcode. I don't really see that because you had violence, you had persecution everywhere. Some local governments, you had no people, police or centre, you had a police career, police and policemen, and in some cases, so many. Where the voters received the client if they were eating, some were the sub-grounds in the park, the parking lot, left with the preview to give us and the ballot box. So you cannot see in this situation like that, the elections were credible, passed the vote, but they were not. We are in a situation like that. All right, all right. I mean, some will say that it's higher than 40% because if you look at what happened in River State in 2015, where people couldn't go out to vote, so the results, I mean, voting in the oceanic areas of River State and River Island, parts of the state, Kalabari Island and all that, or CRECA, was not as violent as it was in 2015. So are you going to believe in protecting River Island? Yes, yes. Some will say that in 2015, you had a lot of violence. Especially in even the River Island area. There is no, the market will go from the green but it will not happen on Saturday. And what happened in 2015, in fact, in 2015, I think the situation was really like that and what happened on Saturday. Oh really? Yes. Okay, okay, okay. Anyway, let's look at it. We had a high level of compromise. The police, the state of the produce, were really compromise. But it opened up on the public. And IMF is not an exception. And IMF is not an exception. The police, I can tell you, the police were highly compromising. It was a much emotional time. Not at River State, for example. You saw a situation where, in the partisan group day or somewhere, somewhere I think it's called a day or something, where policemen and soldiers, not themselves, I know the officials, not themselves, not me. And the electorate, the protesters had to break it first to that period. And they had the beating of the life, of their enemies. We talked about it. We are complaining about it. So, IMF officer was there. The policemen were there. The army, so it's a lot of competitors were all there. And it also ended up, what happened to me, you call a lady, you call a housekeeper, sex, so you can never say. And IMF is highly complicit in this whole mess. You know, what we have, we see that the electorate, it had got the pressure of the second party. So, I'm not glad the electorate was complicit. I got the problem of the second party. We got any complete performance. IMF is complicit. Why would I say IMF is complicit? I would certainly say that, I'm sorry, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say. I don't know what to do as rubbish, the religion repetition will end for itself in previous electorates, especially in the Al-Sinu. I can tell you I'm really upset. Really upset. You know, there was this talk about uploading the results, rights of the people in the mix and so on that they had gone all the other sides. And the IMF and first is to be clear, kept their showing Nigerians that as they are voting to vote lower and Nigerians are going to see, because the votes are looking, the girls are going to see, so they are voting to rebuild. But that's what we want to show. In most cases, the people who are not voting, and I think that is a deliberate act of IMF. I recognize as a deliberate, you are going to test wrong. Even in your student, you do your test wrong before you go there, you are going to test wrong. This is not the first element in your fight. So you are going to test wrong even before the electorate. Now, being also should have contingency plans. These things, I didn't want to say, because Mahmood, we are going to do this, he didn't tell us, he's not aware of all this. He's a professional, this is not the first time he's conducting electorate. So why did he do this? He said it worked in some states and he should also realize that in this particular instance, you're talking about national elections, you're not talking about state elections. Mahmood, we are Kuku, also told Nigerians and the people that every Kuba he asked for was given to him. He said to, even when we had the financial crunch, when Nigerians were dying in their hospitals, dying in their houses, and because the people have access to their own funds, they see they have the latest money behind them. So there is no excuse also. The electoral act, when he beats people from going to the police, to the police units with their security there, he saw what happened in Mekwa state today. Where that man that was, I forgot to say that man that was initially asked to, to carry the voting material, went around police stations, checked in people who put his name. And nothing happened, nothing. Check the, telling them if you know you're not going to vote for the ABC, you'll be killed. It went viral, it will be killed, so check. If you don't vote for Mr. A, you'll be killed. And the man did that in the community, who came up and down? Nothing has happened to him. And such interest about the law, you saw where he was down, he went to the clinic, got treatment, went back to the police station. You saw here that we are, there was no generator to power the collection center. They were using their phones and touch lines. No generator. What happened to the billions given to INEK? What's the net to keep us strong? The INEK chairman himself should be prosecuted. This is an electoral fraud. I need to explain the issue of no generator. I will not explain that. So this election is highly compromised. And INEK chairman cannot do nothing, sir. If he says he forgot it, then it's criminal negligence. A doctor who has something to do with the right to print on the petition could also be sued for murder when it comes to criminal negligence. Okay, let's look at the issue. I have an authority in that field. Open up, please, sir. Now, the major complaint from observers and agents of opposition parties, PDP, APC, maybe SDP, in your state is that the INEK presenting officers or INEK officials refused or said they could not gain a password into the B-VAS machine, the B-VAS device, to be able to snap or capture the, from EC-8A or EC-A8, from EC-8A, they could not capture it because they couldn't gain access to the B-VAS device or to the portal, whichever it is. And I got some calls, you know, on Saturday late at night for some agents, some opposition party agents in Ubiapo, which is a part of River State in Port Harcourt. And they said they were chased away by thugs who then took the INEK officials away. I don't know whether they were forced to go or they went willingly. So when such a thing happens, can we blame Mahmoud Yacoub, you know, because I don't know, maybe someone changed the password. I just told you, INEK officials were accomplices. I blame Mahmoud Yacoub. I blame Mahmoud Yacoub, excuse me for being, I know what I said. And I also blame Yacoub, what are you going to say about a later arrival of Mahmoud Yacoub, who is the one stop statistic, but let us not, and what I don't want to start Let's not straddle them, and look at it this way. No, second way they are, one thing I detest in life in second location, second the way you are, it is. What are you going to say about the generator, you know? What is Mahmoud Yacoub, is to go around to ensure that everything is in place. It cannot be exploited from whatever has gone on, has happened. What are you going to say about that? What are you going to say about later arrival of material? You supposed to ensure that the materials get to everywhere they ought to get to. Who, who today are we blaming? Who received the bonus from the federal government? Who said, who today are we blaming? If everything has gone on smoothly, who is not taking the credits? Let us not be vanquished. Okay, I'll be back. In fact, you have to put the energy and have failed your self-indulence. And you have come from every corner 31 of the institution that is happy or jittery. Just because Nigeria's are not bothered about the cost, they are more interested in the credibility of the election. So you can happy here in Nigeria, everybody is equal to 1, 3 trillion, 3, 3 billion. Nigeria's are jittery. If you don't release the money to him, they will blame you. So what excuse? And no lights? The internet officials, they were taken away and got caught, you can't blame them. You can't blame them. But what to expect energy to do is come to the results there. And conduct a freshener. That is what we are trying to do. But, but, but. We don't expect energy to come to the results. The results of the council and the pressure. So, so, so, you blame it. If you don't have to accept the results of what we are calling the government, then I am saying it on life, be that the energy I manage to collect money. Okay, that, yes. We go ahead to do that. That's it. Because we have got excuse to compete with. We have gone beyond what the reporter will say and what this will say, what this will say. No, you have to see this. And can't go on the course now and meet electronic evidence. You have to see this. So competing with, you start somebody. The criminal facilities have been established and you start. Now the circumstances of you start being in a different environment. Because it is there. You start that by your cynics. Now the question that you have to ask, what are the circumstances? That is where the INEC officials can expect themselves to say, no, these results were done at gun points. Then you have to get it. But what you want INEC to do, cancel the results from there. Then we now know that you have seen it. But if you go ahead to accept that result, it's unfortunate that your compromise haven't been seen. And I want to tell you that INEC is compromiseable. How can you want to use an aid to one of the better actors to control materials until the nation keeps against it. You know what I'm saying? The task of that. Until the nation keeps against it. So I'm going to show you that it's involved. I'm going to be compromise. What are the papers? What are you telling me about papers? So what is your goal? What are you doing in the middle of it? Yeah, please. In such a situation where, you know, you have INEC officials presiding officers and all that, saying that they don't have access to the portal. The password has, you know, it's not working. The one they were given is not working, which obviously means someone changed it. And I've heard of a story in Aquabomb State. There was this when Mikey Guinea was still there. There was a staff, an ex-staff who was fired. You know, he was fired. Why was he fired? He single-handedly, unilaterally, because he was, I think, in the IT department, began to move voters from one polling unit to the other. At the back end of their system, their computers, you know, set up there. You know, and he did it without official permission, you know. So when he was fired, he went to court to say that he was treated wrongfully. And when he was asked by the judge why he, you know, on his own began to move voters from place to place on the INEC system. He said, well, he was just trying to help the Republic. So the impact of this story is that sometimes it is possible that INEC officials act on their own without the approval of the INEC chairman or even the regs. What do you say to this? Coefficiently, there are situations like that. And that is why I think the issue of having the passable is a compromise character. Because they knew they were going to beat the other. And so they pretended that in that case, if that's the case, interrogate it. If actually INEC gave them the passable, with that in case, or they actually don't have the passable. So you must interrogate this. We will not shoot them under the gun. That is one. Number two, the INEC chairman, in that situation, ensure that, look, he tells the world, I am innocent of this. Don't like what my kidney did. And that is why today my kidney is seen as a hero. He stole the world. I am not part of this. I will not accept this. I'll even prosecute all the professors, two of them. 173 years, one trial is still ongoing. That is what the INEC chairman said. We are not saying it can be everywhere. But let me tell you, you are to sue. Who are you to sue? You're not INEC. Other parties are just going to join these other parties. You're seeing INEC. If it happens to, if a policeman is there, I ain't not going to sue the city or the INEC. So up on Kutara, you don't- So who can secret it? Yeah, before the election, elections started. Who tells the credit? Is everything going well? No, the point I'm making is, let us not make excuses for the INEC chairman. There is no meaning for that. If anything goes wrong, be on station today. If you're sued, if you sue, you make a comment. Why do you do this to us? You're a professional, you know what? If you do that, you make a comment. That is defamation. They sue the station. Not the single app of them. They sue the station. OK. That is enough. All right, so the issue of INEC chairman, if anything goes wrong, be on station today. You have over 400,000 police men who are going to war. If the INEC is guilty, those policemen, they saw at the police units, must be punished and openly do. OK. Mr. Bitaro. Yeah, Mr. Bitaro. Yeah, Mr. Bitaro, please, we'll get to the points of security agencies subsequently. But staying with INEC, this electoral act 2022 was touted to be a game changer. That's the word that has been used in the run-up to the election, that the electoral act, and indeed the inclusion of electronic transmission of votes using the beavers, was going to be a game changer. Everybody talked about beavers. INEC talked about beavers. The political parties talked about beavers. Government talked about beavers. Civil society talked about beavers. Has been a game changer. Now the election has come and gone. On hindsight, we have a benefit. Do you think that the electoral act, the electronic transition of votes, and all that is sufficient to ensure the free and fair election, why? Despite all the hopes we had. Oh yes, I can tell you that. I can give you this idea. The inclusion of electoral vote, so to speak, is a danger for the people. Because the whole essence is that even INEC officials cannot, whether they like it or not, read it. Because as she cast you, it was a blow. Now you remember the summit experience of 2019, where the confusion and the sorrow were beneath. The results were out. I believe it went to cost. What on what ground or what premise intend that it to go that mission? And in an assembly, said, oh yes, right. This is of the inequalities, and not the creativity of the beavers. I don't want that on mass to vote. Believing there is a vote to have these vote votes. That is the question we have in summary. Is it not? Because the beavers are not even in their machine. Or prepped by the national team. When the red team announces a full union. And the president and the rest of the talk, yes. Okay. So we now see that River State is a case study for the dynamics of this election, and the different aspects of it across the country. Which has always been the case over the years. That River State seems to be a microcosm of the Nigerian situation. Looking at the pattern of voting, it seems that all progressives, Congress, presidential candidate, Bola Ashwajibola Mehtilabu, is doing quite well, very well in River State. Neck and neck alongside Liberal Party and in some instances PDP in some local governors. What do you think accounts for this strong showing by the APC presidential candidate in River State? Well, I'm asking this is because for the past, for since the APC was formed, they've never really had that massive success in elections in River State. 2015, they lost, so hopefully. In fact, I think the winner had more votes. More votes. No, I'm not a candidate. I'm not a candidate. I'm not a candidate. I got a vote. Yeah, yeah, please go on. Now, in the United States, they answered your question also. The governor instructs them, there is a memo from the governor of River State to all the local government chairmen, threatening them that to put it in win in any local government, they'll be sacked. Even though it does have to such parts. You must not say this to others, aren't you? That they'll be sacked. And don't forget local government chairmen have one more year to do. If they have just two, three months, to what I said, we have to help. No problem, I'll vote my conscience. They have one year. And nobody wants to sacrifice his position at the altar of transparency and credibility. That was what happened. So, and I can tell you unfortunately that a lot of them did what they did, originally they were not happy at all, but they had to protect their offices and their police. That was what happened. And that memo leads a week to the election. The memo leads, it was even a minute. And you can see, in fact, being in his position to bear, he did this to him one and some. That's okay. That will tell you that we must take a seat as a PDC, not to stand there, okay? This election, and like I've always said, shouldn't be about parties, it should be about individuals. The man I supported at the national, belongs to the great party. From the man I support at the state, at the assembly, assembly elections and so on. Because I've always said this in vaccinating people. Where you bring a ghost, a car, and there's like every body, the bang-bang on the facts, to vote for that car. Where do you know that that car is bussing for? So are you, are you, are you? We must depart from, we must depart from such moments. Mr. Kutari, so following this memo, having this memo that you are alleging, and I wish you could show me a copy, so I can verify. But following this memo, you are alleging the governor sent to local government chairman, threatening to sack them, which he doesn't have the power to do that. But I think we both know that the governors are really powerful. But we don't know what this is for. Yeah, yeah, they look for a way to do it. So is it that the local government chairman rigged, I mean how? Because, okay, you've sent a memo saying that they must deliver. No, no, I can't tell you how to do it. Thank you, thank you. It's simple, you know? Yes, I will tell you, it's simple. The local government chairman at once, he goes out to doze at the bus. Okay. Supposedly, supposedly, you know what I mean by that. Yes. Now, what they did, because it has happened already, so it's no more conjunction. What they did was to please their people, their country, and learn to wear the consequences of being in the back book of the local government chairman. Your hands are fatter. There's also an opportunity for those who probably, at loggerheads with the chairman, to reconcile by saying, I've done my own thing. And it is for one simple reason, but in a real reason. Because of course, you know, these things cannot be done just like that. The work system. If you know how much of a vortex for this particular election, you'll be shocked, you'll be amazed. How much? How much result? It's very much. It's very much. How much are we talking about? Don't worry. That means that the bandit figures are not really sure they are looking at the red, because I have friends. I cannot mention names. It is very unfair. I have friends who said, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. If you have any questions, I thought he did not like the subject. Not it. He might not have the information. But somebody next to you might have that information. That is, you don't need, I mean, if you put in somebody in trouble, if that's somebody in trouble, problem. If he says, this books are going to destroy you. Okay. So I want to say this. Yeah, yeah, okay. At that point, most of them got compromised. I'm talking about the users, got compromised. But some of you said, no, I will put my concern. And that's why you have the results here. But I tell you something, on March 11th, we will see the dinosaur experience in the United States. What do you mean by that? Don't worry. Don't worry. No, you have to tell us so we know where you're coming from. Okay, but if you tell us. Do you think that dinosaur could be? Yes, yes, yes. That dinosaur could be. In a way, is it dinosaur of violence? Dinosaur of... Dinosaur of... Where everyone is dinosaur experience. All right. And I believe that Simfubara delivered his local government area for, I think, well, I think for the APC, am I correct? You know, they have seen this somewhere. Sorry? I think the local government chairman of the area, of the PDP presidential candidate was won by the All Progressives Congress. And indeed, the... Yes. Yes, so so... I'm an Africa local government. I'm an Africa local government. Okay, so it seems that it's working. But we've seen... I know I told you, is it a dinosaur experience? We'll think about that later. But we've seen praise, lots of praise, coming the way of the River State governor from supporters of the All Progressives Congress, one of which is the son of Malam Naseero Fai, who put a picture of yes and we care alongside his father. They looked happy and laughing. And he says that we case indeed a good politician that is what he called promise and do. You know, so now what does the future hold for the governor of your state, River State? Being a PDP member, obviously the APC supporters are praising him. And you've said this memo leaked, this memo leaked. So it's no longer a secret that he has sent instructions for another party's candidate to be supported. What does the future hold for yes and we care in the PDP as far as you're concerned? Well, that is left for me. That is, that is left. He went to Kotoran, to Kotoran. We're sure he'll be conducting well. No. All right, we seem to be having some difficulty. Open up on Kotoran there. Can you hear me please? All right, of course, there's still election coverage right here on plus CV Africa. Yeah, open up on Kotoran there, please. Can you hear me, sir? All right, then of course, reactions have continued to flow in from different angles as far as the polls, presidential national assembly elections on Saturday are concerned. And of course, River State has received its fair share of complaints. If you look at the complaints coming from opposition members, you know, it's mostly being from Lagos State, River State, Heddo State, Delta State, and other states like that. In fact, there's one from Aquabomb State, a report that says that, you know, the Nigerian army intercepted a boss, a boss filled with iron-neck officials, policemen, and fake soldiers who went around, you know, one particular centaurial district to rig elections. But open up on Kotoran, if you can hear me, welcome back. You are making a point about the future of your governor, yes, of Miki, in the PDP. If you can hear me, please go on. All right, it seems to open up on Kotoran, it's still not able to be with us. We've been looking at the independent national electoral commission. And of course- Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you or Ms. Senkotoran, can you hear me? I just left an idea to decide. Somebody who said he was going to support the academy that he mentioned, even when he came to the university, he did not support. Somebody who accused others of moving from one party as Borukah or Borukah or the moving from one party to the other, he never did. But that which is worse, being in more in the system, and openly disagreeing with the system and defecting, you are there working against your party. And you talk of, in quotes, this, integrity, you talk of integrity, in quotes, rather than integrity. So, imagine us to see who the kind of person he is, and I can tell you that even those is rushing to join now. No, they already know he's a disciple of the kind of person, and there can't be any trust. But what he's all about, interests, is a concentric circle of articulated interests, of conspiracies of articulated. So, right now, they need it. But after now, we're here. Well, we're still in this country, we're here. Okay. That will tell you the level of acceptance. Yeah. The level of legitimacy. We're here. That's what you're talking about. Ms. Senkotori, I was on the Twitter, I was on the Twitter space last night, just listening to, you know, conversations by people in Port Harcourt. You know, I'm still a Port Harcourt boy, if you wanna call it that. And I was just following. And one of the persons that asked the question, and I would like to throw that question to you, it says in River State, the Ter River State, why is it that we've seen more of a complaints, complaints of electoral violence in Ubiapo and Farga. This is Port Harcourt city, local government area. More than any of the other parts of the statewide concentration of violence and rigging in that part of the city. What do you say to that? What's your answer? You know, what did you say about, as far as democracy is all about, we're going to say that. So we're looking at numerical strength. And these are the two local governments with the largest number of them. And so when it is a scandal to get these two people, that is just the reason why you have the violence there. Okay. Okay. Interesting. The opposition Labour Party has already called for the cancellation of the presidential election. But in the last few hours, the national chairman of Labour Party, Julius Sabure, Esquire, he is called on the Independent National Electoral Commission to cancel all unverified election results in River State, describing the process as not only fraudulent, but also falling below expectations. So he made the call on Sunday in a stable of a little journalist in Abuja. He expressed shock, you know, by the reports of incidents of thugry and attacks unleashed by agents allegedly working for the River State government across various polling units in River State. Do you think all the elections in River State that are not verified or who's, you know, which are being contested by the opposition should be canceled? No, not at all. Cancellations should be premised on the government-sharing proof. For example, you have areas that you have violent, that carry the weight and show off. Those are the areas that results, the results of those that are for the council. Areas like elections, we are simplest, the process was similar. Why do you have to cancel? Doesn't make sense. Because all we are asking for is a credible and transparent election. So if a particular polling unit is credible, why do you have to cancel that election? But you can cancel where the whole process is marked by violent thugry and cutting the way of ballot boxes and so on. Because you find out that there is an infraction of the electoral acts. Then in such areas, we can call for cancellation. Not in areas that the process was canonical. I mean, it was orderly. I mean, in tandem, in safety, because of the electoral act, we don't need the process anymore. We don't need the process. So I will not call for cancellation at all. Even at the national level, all over the country, I'm not saying all. Just like in Nigeria, they said they are going to, they conducted one yesterday, some yesterday. Yes, you know, just pockets. Not all. Not all. I will not call for that. All right, all right, all right. Yesterday we noticed that, I think at about, at about 1 p.m. on Sunday, one or 2 p.m. on Sunday, the only two local government areas had brought the physical results in River State, you know, to the state coalition center on Nabao Road. Those were Akoko Toro and Ahoda East. That's at about 3 p.m., only two. Later that day, within that time, the third local government brought their results to the coalition center that was, I think it was at Saritoro, making three. And I asked a journalist from River State, why these local government areas which outside of the Podhakot Metropolis were submitting their results before the likes of Ubiapo, local government area and Podhakot City Local Government Area where INK headquarters is, you know. Someone said maybe it's because of the volume of voters and the number of polling units and all that. What do you say to this? Now I completely disagree. You are one of the violence and so on, but it goes in these areas. I think that there is some sort of economic reason for that. Yes, that is the reason. That is why I said INK is also coming. I have completed three days to get the results. When you are short 90 years, that the results are going to be announced, same day, within 20 hours. Even if it's not same day, that same day. So if you don't get the results on that Saturday before 2.30 on Sunday, the results are going to be out. Next time, when the streets are aware of the numbers, they come up with the number of voters and everything. There are scenes of all these facts before they get there, sorry. So what are we talking about? That excuse is neither here nor there, it's when there's certain information, I mean, every manipulation is going down. That's the truth. So you think the delay, the delay in getting those results from where the Anacoffee says, you know. It is not just a delay. It is dilatoriness. A delay could be as a function of what's my job. Dilatoriness is a deliberate act. It is not a delay, so to say. Because- It's dilatoriness. Because the process is that when the voting is concluded, at the polling unit there, they take out the ballot papers, sort them out by elections. Coffee, coffee, coffee. Okay, allow me to- It's a quick one. It's a quick one to see. You don't need to say why did Mr. A fail or pass his exam. Because the process is he has to sit down in class to read, he has to go for a prep, he has to go- No, all these processes have been taking into consideration. Before I get chairman, they came up with the modus operandi and gave the axiura. So there's no point going back to the process is we have to vote. It's not necessary. You have said you're going to be an A at 7. You don't just come and sit down. That simply means they take it out, they roll over the vote or two for you to be at that 7. So you don't need to vote, the man said, the vote said, we don't need, the man has to bring the camera, he has to set the camera, he has to zoom in, he has to zoom out, he has to be a prior, we have things that are not interesting. Dude, this is what you said. And we're holding on, how do you do that? You're not interested in what the process is. This was the axiura, not to wear the processes. So do I have to tell them what the process is all about? I'm not interested in the process. I'm not. All right, all right. Mr. Kotawe, we have to go. Some will also say, you know, the role of resident electoral commissioners, sometimes they act independently of the national chairman of INEC. We might not really know what is going on in the state. I said yesterday that 2, 3 p.m., a reporter told us that the wreck in the US was nowhere to be found. We have to say goodbye to you. Thank you so much, Uppunamal, for your time. Thank you. We'll see what happens. Maybe I will see PDP, Liberal Party, or possibly it seems APC, when the presidential vote in River State will have the majority of the votes. We'll see what happens then, of course, we would. No problem. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Wait. And I'll reach you so we talk about the dinosaur. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, we've been looking at, you know, different aspects of the 2023 presidential national assembly elections starting with the conduct of INEC and looking at the complaints coming from party agents and voters out there, particularly in River State as a microcosm of Nigeria just so understand how it works there and then now put that in perspective as far as Nigeria is concerned. We have more guests coming away on the breakfast this morning. Breakfast Balot 2023 special. And we'll be looking at not just Sainiq, but the issue of electoral violence and the activities of political thugs during the election. Stay with us, we'll take a break. And when we come back, we have more conversations. My name is Kofi Bartel. This is the Breakfast Balot 2023 special.