 Okay Hello, what's up guys? Hello. This is actually gonna be daily dose of classic number three, okay? I just I just happen to be on Photoshop for three months. Love the vibe of your stream blob dance Thank you, dude. Appreciate that. Who was that? I didn't hear that Frigio tier one three months. Thanks, man So here's here's a here's what happened today guys. I did post the first daily dose of classic on YouTube. I think I think people enjoy that I think people like that people people have gotten really good feedback about that So if you guys do miss a daily dose of classic, I want to do this every day or at least every day that I stream leading up to classic launch so Uh, I'll do this. I'll keep doing this Start off with some classic talk. I'll start it. We start we got a little bit of a late start today Normally, I want to start at like three right and we can you know, we'll talk a little bit and then we'll get into it We kind of wasted a little bit of time today, but I want to do daily dose of classic at about three o'clock or so and then Going forward Go into like a variety game or something like that right now. We're playing warcraft 3. We'll play some other games down the road so Moving along Actually, I'm gonna take this I think this look I'm just gonna make this look a little bit nicer today. What I wanted to do Today what I wanted to do was I Oh, you miss classic cast. Yeah, or we're gonna we're gonna keep doing classic cast It's just that with between the dueling tournaments end of the beta world first stuff Like the last month has been like super busy, but we're gonna get back to classic cast stay safe as long as way home from london And uh, it's gonna be good. So Really good really excited for that So what I wanted to do today what I wanted to do today for a daily dose of classic Uh, I wanted to go in fire crowd just reset for two months. Do I choose major rogue? What depends on what you want to do? Do you want to be cast or do you want to be melee? I think it's pretty easy. Uh, I think it's a pretty easy decision once you get to that point, right? Qz, thank you for the twitch prime two months fair miss. Thank you for the tier one three months and asian fire cow Thank you for the tier one two months. Thank you guys I wanted to look at this I wanted to look at some pvp videos I wanted to look at some pvp videos And uh, we can kind of look at them break them down Uh, and I think there's uh, maybe maybe a couple pvp videos We'll see but I thought there was no better than to start with our good friend Zalgradis Who he's not here right now But uh, I think I think we should check out an old zalgradis pvp video We've done we've done this kind of stuff before but uh, it's been a long time since I've done it And I think it'd be a good thing to do for uh daily dose. Yeah, so I think it'll be really really good What's up quick streams? What's up derp? What's up guys? Okay So What I want to look at today Zalgradis pvp have all the guild apps been reviewed. There's so many guild apps left to review Uh, I I want to get to that as soon as possible and then I will I will at everyone whenever they've all been reviewed We have not messaged people yet. I will at everybody whenever where I will at everybody in discord And I will message everybody when that happens. So What I want to look at today, uh Is it depends on how long it takes right? I want to try and cut these segments down a little bit because the first one was like two hours The second one was like an hour. So uh, we'll see. I think an hour is not that bad, but Let's go ahead and uh Let's go ahead and take a look at this real quick My my my computer is being weird. So interesting banana propaganda. No, relax So we're going to start with zalgradis palette and pvp this video And what I want to do with these videos is uh, I want to With what we're doing right here. I want to take this Gesture sub for two months less than a month less than a month. Thank you chris. Thank you for the two months Just getting a new computer. I actually did. I just have to install it install everything on it. So We'll see what happens. Um So, yeah, let's go ahead and watch this. Let's go ahead and break down what's happening in these fights pvp I'll explain everything right So this fight This fight starts with him getting polymorphed Uh full health full mana, whatever Uh, it looks like he's full mana. Uh, he comes out right whenever he breaks him out of it. He starts casting a heal, right? Uh, I think that what happens there the reason why he goes straight into the heal. I'm assuming I think it's more than likely that uh He probably counterspelled him prior to the polymorph. So he knew that his counterspell was on cooldown I don't think that I don't think that he would have started the fight casting a heal on himself had Um, had he had his counterspell up, right? Because that probably wouldn't have been a very good idea But uh, but he does that and he basically negates the opening damage on him Say he goes in on him He cleanses He doesn't freedom, but he cleanses off the frost nova So looking at this when he cleanses the frost nova, he doesn't have any other debuffs on him, right? So he knows okay. I can cleanse myself here and it'll guarantee to get rid of the frost nova Right and that way he doesn't have to cast another blessing on himself afterwards So he goes through Cleanse he goes up and he's attacking him again There you go throws a grenade on him This is something and and this is something that you I swear I couldn't pull this off on private servers But we saw we saw you able to do this again on the classic beta Is throwing a grenade spamming your heal and you can chain the heal into a grenade and you can get a full heal off You can get a full holy light off on a grenade This doesn't I every time I try to do this on on private servers. Uh, they would get out of the grenade beforehand, but on um On classic beta. I noticed you could do it again. So this this makes sense with the batching and how everything works right so something else to point out here is He's trying to heal He gets tagged with the counterspell, right? So counterspell improve counterspell actually. Uh, now he can't counterspell. He uses counterspell cooldown So go into this again because he knows the counterspell is used He can basically free cast heals and something you'll see about zal gratis and the gear he's using here He's using a black hand doomsaw and he has a lot of mana a lot of that's because he's he has light four shoulders I'm sure he has a lot of more paladin specific gear As opposed to like valor gear right like I like to use valor just because I like the physical stats and stuff like that But he has an awful lot of mana. He's also buffed with arcane intellect um He goes in here whenever he gets knocked over Whenever he gets knocked over, uh, I believe Is that his hotbar? Yeah goblin goblin market helm right So he uses the goblin rocket helm to basically reset the fight He goes heals himself up. He still has that. He's got judgment of the crusader on him He's waiting a long time to attack. Okay, so he judged crusader on him while uh Sorry, he judged crusader on him while he had the goblin rocket home And basically what that allowed him to do is you can just get a little bit more damage in He got really aggressive with it at the end. He even used a consecration while he was stunned into the wall Um, just to get every little bit of damage out so he doesn't get away. There you go So in this fight you got a rogue just working run around all over the place opens up with a cheap shot and what Zalgratis is doing here He's going sword and shield against the rogue and you'll notice something to point out Okay, something to point out. He has read out up. He has holy shield up seal a command And vengeance right so He crits and he gets a vengeance proc while he has holy shield. What does this mean? This means that this is actually this video is actually pre 1.9 This video is prior to The uh, this video is prior to the palette and rework in patch 1.9 Meaning that you're actually not going to be able to use this specific talent build come classic lunch So just something to keep in mind here now essentially the mechanics of the fight and all that It's still about the same right because what he's doing here and then what he's going for is he has holy shield He has holy shield. He has read out. Uh, the rogue is he has uh a Retribution or up the idea is is that this rogue is basically just going to kill himself by attacking Zalgratis, right? He pops evasion doesn't matter. Look at all this return damage Look at this right here popsy rogue pops evasion and hits him and the rogue hits himself for like a hundred damage immediately afterwards, right 21 22 56 So Doesn't doesn't really matter that he is that he has vengeance up because the rogue is basically just killing himself right What's up, Kenan Are you going mining engineering right off the start? I haven't decided yet. Uh, I'm not sure. I think it's a good question but yeah So again, rogue has him stunned. He can't do the return damage on the shield But uh, what he can do Is that a rocket helm? It looks like you try to rocket helm him there, but um It doesn't work because the mob 95 just resub for three months been waiting three months for this shower stream Thank you, Rygarama What's really funny here is he goes for the god for the for the death ray right no much death ray Finish him off right here in a stun stun finish him off with a no much death ray Whatever there's about a thousand damage kills him. So what's funny is this troll rogue shows? And I don't know if nobody hit I don't know if nobody hit the this guy And it just wasn't tagged and he just wants to kill them request or something But uh, I don't know what this rogue is quite thinking because Yeah, yeah, apparently he helped him kill him and then the rogue starts opening up on him Um, the run back for this place is not very long. So I wonder if the other rogue I've seen this video before a long time ago. I can't really remember I wonder if the other rogue shows up and he has to fight to him at the same time But kind of the same idea right Or the rogue is doing a bunch of return damage and Or the sorry the palin is doing a bunch of return damage on the rogue and and the rogue is just killing himself Sure, I'll probably one or one be one. Uh, maybe I mean who knows So yeah, he goes in Yeah, it was a long time actually because look he got another. Oh, dude Okay, so he gets a 2k no much death ray Lupus deus cheered x 500 Ah, yes, of course the old classic gnome death frost nova dust half been cleansed by the mighty palin Mendeutally correct. My dear boy. Very five head of quite spiffingly excellent maneuver Bloody marvelous old chap Thank you. Lupus deus. Thanks for the 500 bits marucci lago Marucci lago, thank you for the 15 months, dude. Good to see you man. Thanks for the twitch prime chris fran croix Two months. I got that earlier. Okay, so lupus. Thank you for the 500 bits. Um So something to keep in mind here Look how low his health got and this is the thing with the gnome-ish death ray gnome-ish death ray It's it's a cool trinket. Don't get me wrong and it's very it's very me me. It's like, oh gnome-ish death ray. Oh Okay, yeah It can do big damage, but it can also do not so big damage Right, but one of the big things about a death ray, especially if you could avoid the damage Uh, or sorry, especially if you can avoid the the The hit at the end it does a lot A lot of return damage. So look at this to get a 2k 274 like I think 275 is about the same number. This ticks on him for 275 He gets really aggressive by using this year with that low of health He like barely has enough because look he's at 800 health right now tick tick tick. He gets down to like 300 health And he happens to kill him, right? So you got to be really careful when using a death ray You you have to be really really careful when using a death ray. If you use it too low of health, you'll you'll kill yourself, right? um Something else paul demore you you ask one more time. Why won't this build work and come classic? It's because the talent trees are different, right? Uh, specifically, what are we at here at three minutes? So if we go back here Early on in this rogue fight. I think that was it the 309 Yeah, right here. So you can see that he has holy shield right now Holy shield is the 31 point talent in Protection vengeance is a 25 point talent in retribution. There's not enough talent points to get these things prior to the 1.9 patch. I believe I might have to I might have to look this up and double check. I'm trying to remember Uh, I think holy shield was the 21 point talent in protection and vengeance and conviction Basically had like the the spots reversed conviction is five crit So you would get vengeance first and then you get plus five crits months Who's this? Thank you for the two months. Appreciate that dude. Thank you for the tush prime So, yeah, um, I think that uh And I think I know that this is prior to to that patch because You're able to get vengeance higher up in the retry and you're able to get holy shield higher up in the retry Later on both of these things get moved down a lot Let's go back to three minutes Put the corn costume. It's not corn. It was a banana suit Uh Okay, let's see. Oh, he's a little bit a little bit of rp action old school Old school wow videos. You're always gonna have a little bit of rp Uh, okay next fight's coming up after this. Yeah Okay, so another mage fight, right? Another mage fight. So look at this remember how in the other mage fight And and look sometimes you're just gonna muscle memory and you're just gonna hit freedom or something, right? But if you look at this one He has Two debuffs on him, right? He's got the one from the frost armor and he's got one from frost nova, right? So he knows that if he cleanses Right, he knows that if he cleanses it's going to randomly remove one of the other If he wants to get out of the freedom like right now Then what he's gonna do is he's gonna freedom to get rid of both of these as opposed to cleanse and getting rid of one of them Wait, is he is this bugged? He has freedom on him right now Well, let's watch this again No, he freedoms, but why does it keep that other buff on him? Maybe this is something else. Maybe I'm wrong Or maybe freedom worked differently at the beginning. I don't remember. I don't recall it and not working that way flowing attack speed Maybe Maybe it just gets rid of the slow Yeah, maybe maybe it just gets rid of the slow, but it keeps the rest of the debuff on you. It's interesting Okay So, yeah, anyway No, it didn't even get rid of the slow, huh? Okay, anyway So he actually misses a grenade here His hand adjusts your favorite item. It's good so, yeah Kind of similar way that he fought the other guy now when he blinks away. I think he know Yeah, he he got one rocket helms In order to basically close the gap and he can heal. I think he's going to counterspell here Did he cash out earlier? I'm surprised the major in counterspelling I might have missed it, but uh, but yeah Nice solid backpedal so whenever whenever the Mages you want to save your stun for one of our mage blinks, right? Because what happens here? It's the combination of He does this Whenever he blinks away, right? He goes in rocket helms him, right? And the mage gets out of it using the ice block, right? Surprise the major in counterspell, but um, but they go out of this. He goes he's going to get another blink here soon Whenever gets the other blink. He has his stun saved He didn't want to use it too early and then that way the the mage is basically SOL at this point and he's going to die for sure so Yeah, the mage mage screwed up pretty bad there basically So yeah right here Another fight with a rogue And it's kind of the same thing here. Just as it was against the other rogues, right? He's got holy shield up He I don't know what one-handed weapon he's using. I'm not sure but um Using seal command with his one-handed weapon. So he's going to stun He's going to judge off of that. No, he's not. He's just going to go ahead and go straight for the death ray And finish him off there, right? I think death ray is a really good trinket for for palanins to have But it's it's also kind of me me, right? Like I said a lot of return damage to you. So if you screw it up, then yeah So there's a fight against a and it's a shaman. Okay So a shaman Shaman, especially orc shaman is probably in in my opinion. I think it's probably the hardest matchup Uh You kind of have to have everything if they have everything you have to have everything to have a chance to kill them um normally So here's what happens Rogue shows up right and turning into a 2v1, but he happens to have my control cap on And then all of a sudden he takes the mind control cap and he uses the rogue to his advantage And then it basically turns into a 2v1 versus the shaman. So he takes it and he turns the fight around completely Right, he ends up killing the shaman By the time the rogue is up and then yeah, and then all the ladies came and and we're like, oh man Zagratis, you're so handsome. So there you go So here's another fight against a shaman. So here's here's like a bit of advice Here's here's why shamans are so good and they're so good against against casters, too Is earth shock has a very very low cooldown Um, and it interrupts spells. So it's it's hard to cast purge specifically for paladins purge is like the key thing Paladins are based around seals blessings this kind of stuff. So um What you have to do This is what this is what I think you should do against shamans Use lower ranks of blessings and if they're spam purging you then They're burning their own mana it indirectly works as a mana burn against the shamans Right, so using lower ranks of blessings do that and then if they eventually stop purging you Then you can cast a higher rank of a blessing Same thing with your seal rank one seal of command in pvp rank one seal of command. It costs you about 55 mana. Okay Not only that You start using your seals and don't use them like buffs use them as if they're attacks What does that mean? That means when you're about to swing Let me show you this Let's say let's say they're just like just just Just Spamming purge, right? So here's what you need to do you need to go You need to go And here's your your is your swing timer, right? Here's your swing timer again I like to use 3.5 because that's an ash quandoi, right and it's it's kind of like an easy number to remember So let's say your your attack is at 3.5 seconds and he's just spamming just just just purge non-stop. Right? He's just spamming purge If you cast At this point Seal of command you can hope to swing right you can hope to swing Right here right after you cast your seal hopefully at a proc and Then he will purge it right after right and then you wait I recommend rank one Right, you wouldn't as a shaman you put you you probably wouldn't max rank unless you have a free shot at a judgment on During a stone or something like that, right? I think you should still try and judge when you can even with rank one, right? because if you can judge if You can judge and get a vengeance proc of a crit or something then that's big damage So you still want to judge, but you shouldn't rank five unless you got a free shot. I think at a at a stunned Stun judgment of command so he's gonna get rid of it So then you just go and you repeat this process right here And then he's gonna end up like basically mana burning shaman, right? So this is how you mana burn shamans and Yeah, so that's kind of how that goes and Not a lot of people do that against shamans. I do think shamans are still incredibly hard But for me, I think this is a this is like a little tactic that I do that Helps out a whole ton versus shamans. So Yeah Was it pure it's purge purge. Sorry. Okay, so back to the video So yeah here against the shaman the shaman he purged him pretty good, right? He purged him pretty good early on but he ran low on mana So this is a situation where he just managed his mana better than than the shaman just by the fact that he was purging him, right? So let's see. Let's kind of go back a little bit Oh, this this video starts out when he's when he's kind of low on mana anyway Something else is the grounding totem. Something else is the grounding totem. You want to make sure? That whenever he drops a grounding totem you you try and kill it. Maybe you can tab judge something like that If you judge it, maybe you can crit and get a vengeance product That'd be cool But also if you can judge it then I say tab just target the other one you can tab maybe but whatever If they have a lot of totems down, that's kind of hard because you guys know what I mean But anyway, you target the grounding totem You kill it that way it opens him up first stun If he has grounding totem down and you stun it's going to be immune because he's going to take he's gonna eat The stun same thing for repentance Right sending for repentance Then treks. Thank you for the twitch prime. I appreciate that truck stomp What happens when you get one win-free one shot because hashtag shaman is life? Well, you don't You don't just just don't get one shot. Yeah If it eat spells why target it it doesn't kill it like if I hammer of justice it doesn't kill it See there's a grounding totem. He does he does it right there. Look, so he drops a grounding totem He goes he clicks on it grounding totem. Let me bomb kill it. Bop it and then that way he's opened up for a stun I'm sure he's gonna stun him here soon Maybe He does have a stun up. I thought maybe he was some during the healer something Maybe he's just he may be just saving it waiting on it But he's basically him going one hand and shield against him part of it's the tri-spec build from pre 1.9 And he's just kind of like whittling him down also having high armor is probably nice against the big one furies So I don't know why he didn't stun him. I don't know what's going on there Because he probably I would have thought that he would have stunned him there whenever he's low on health And he was healing because he has no grounding totem or anything down What happens when the shaman uses more than one totem and he actually has one to a queue Nothing because you still have to click the grounding totem and kill it Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't I mean it doesn't make a difference, right? You just got to target and kill it, right? Explaining why he's using sword and shield over two hand is it better in PvP. It's nice for some fights, right? But specifically it's it's part of the build he's going with it's Tri-spec where he has holy shield and command and vengeance and all this stuff So he's trying to use holy shield to his advantage and then basically the return damage and stuff like that If he gets a wind fury proc it swings three times So swings three times three more chances at blocks three three chances at return damage off of a block So that's that's probably why I did that So he doesn't a row the paladin healing in front of him all part of that's because he was so low on mana Zagras did a way better job of managing his mana than the shaman did and the shaman ran oom and basically he had to Use anything that he had to basically try and survive. So Okay, let's see what is this fight here is this 2v3 okay, isn't 2v3 fight this will be fun to watch So let's let's let's start it back here so Fight starts right here Major sheeps good So paladin what what's happening here? You've got paladin mage versus what looks like warrior mage. I thought there was three guys Maybe I'm wrong. Oh This is warlock that showed up. Okay, so yeah in a warlock That may just probably gonna die It's so interesting watching these fights without Without the UIs that everybody has now like target of target and whatever so mage is still good He just turns and he's just helping heal the mage While they're focusing on that guy Now these guys the guys that he's fighting against are doing a pretty bad job of managing like CC and stuff, right? Now the paladin does have Versus bubble his bop, I think bubble had a different icon before but I'm not seeing it. Why do I not see bubble? Oh, no, there it is same icon Okay, so yeah So if if he were to get CC'd right Hypothetically if he were to get CC'd he could bubble out of it and like spam heal the mage, right? So he's got mortal strike on him and he heals him through the mortal strike But the mortal strike drops right before he heals him So literally right before them right before the mortal strike or right after the mortal strike drops The heal goes off so he gets a full value heal Basically ends up saving the mage because that heals was pretty significant. I mean he would be dead by now Right still keeps healing him sometimes and this is the thing that's so nice about paladins and pvp like you got to know your role And that's why I love watching these algradist pvp videos because he does not play the game like he's he's a wannabe warrior Will he chips chestry sub for three months. He doesn't play the game like a warrior. Let's get hyped boys Thank You Willie. Thank you for the three months, dude. So yeah, I think that I think this is this is a huge issue huge issue for for paladins and It's like bad for like the perception of rep paladins too It's you see a lot of guys who they go and basically like oh do I play paladin or warrior? They're two totally different classes, right? You are you are a support DPS, right? You're a hybrid you can heal you can buff you have a lot of utility, right? Zalgradist knows his role and that's what why it's fun for me to watch pvp videos like this Especially when he's in group fights because he knows when it's like, okay I don't want to just like just like ram my head against the wall and just go and charge them and try and do damage sometimes it's best To support somebody else and let them do the damage in a fight While you back off and then you wait for your opportunity to go in right which is exactly what he does in that last fight, right? He heals him. He keeps him up Then he goes in and gets the big hits and does the damage. So Yeah, is illa pk. Thank you for the twitch prime Abraham sader. Thank you for the tier two sub Abraham, thank you for the tier two and will it ships three months. We got that too. Okay, great Uh, do you think classic will be delayed? No, I don't think so. I don't think the stress test being delayed is uh I don't think has anything to do with classic being delayed. Um, yeah So El white monkey. Thank you for the twitch prime. Thank you, dude So in this fight he's got. Oh, this is great. So He's fighting a was this a priest Trying to man burn him. Yeah, okay. So so and yeah, he's got the okay, so Shadow we're paying so here's the thing. He uses the bear off trinket against him Whenever you're a paladin And you have the bear off trinket used against you and it does he have reckoning? I would expect that he has reckoning Uh, whenever you have the bear off trinket used against you and you have reckoning, right? And these guys get crits. It gives you reckoning prox So It's always nice, right now. He starts out using the sword and shield, right? He starts out using the sword and shield against these guys and um, or I guess mace Part of the reason for that Before he swaps it's like, okay. Well, why not just use a two-hander against the caster? He's doing a lot of return damage against these guys Right and the return damage against these guys He even uses holy shield, right even though the priest isn't hitting him The return damage actually kills those guys off, right? So he kind of gets what he needs whatever Kills off the adds so negates his trinket After that he swaps to his two-handed weapon after that he swaps to black and doomsaw So then he goes in with the priest fights against priests. It's it's kind of like a battle of attrition mana management It's it's really tough because they can just mana burn you, right? But we can see here is he went and he actually used shadow resist aura, which is uh, it's You should definitely be using it as a priest Resistance is really really strong. So I used to even run around with a shadow as a suit on my character So he goes and he kind of cuts this fight probably because it lasted forever He he feared and then he comes back and then priest is out of mana. I wish we knew how he runs out of mana But uh, whenever he sees that the that priest was out of mana. He had a little bit of mana He gets really aggressive with it and he bubbles He bubbles and goes in on him the reason for this Is because if the priest fears you it gives them enough time You go this way they go that way And it gives them enough time to get out of combat and to get a few ticks of drink off before you catch up to him So he gets really really aggressive here Which again good idea it was right, uh Right here. So also what he does he pops the shield And he cancels it So why do you cancel the shield? Do you guys know? The reason why he canceled the shield is because Now he technically screwed up and this is something that you might screw this up regularly too. It might just happen, right? The reason why he canceled the shield is because in vanilla wow You have a 50 attack speed debuff After you swing if you have your bubble up. So what happens here He actually triggers it because he attacks I I'm almost positive that was not his intention, right given that he canceled it like literally right afterwards Uh, but he has a what is this? Is this a three and a half second weapon? I can't remember with black hand doomsaw But uh It might be it might be 3.4 black hand doomsaw Um Classic Yeah, 3.5. Yeah, that's what it was. So what ends up happening here is He uh, he swings so then he ends up having like a he ends up having a 50 percent attack speed Uh bonus on the next swing or sorry decrease on the next swing So he's not going to cat is nice enough swing for a long time But ideally in that situation, he would have canceled it right after so that he could have kept swinging at full speed right before attacking Weapon speed is normalized in classic. I don't know so it doesn't matter. No, no, no, no, not true, right? So weapon speed normalization what that means dusty is if you're using an instant strike So what are some examples of instant strikes? mortal strike sinister strike bloodthirst These types of abilities, right? so on these types of abilities These get normalized so certain values based on the weapon type Okay, so if you have a two-handed weapon The normalization value is 3.3 So what that means is whenever they go off your weapon damage Instead of looking at your actual weapon damage what it does is it looks at your dps And then it multiplies it by 3.3 with a two-handed weapon, right for a one-handed. I believe it's 2.7 is it I believe it's 2.7 for one-handed weapons um We double check this actually Weapon speed normalization I don't I don't want to give you guys wrong information Normalization lupus day is cheered x 500. You forgot sexy strike and take a taunt. Hi chat Thanks lupus. Appreciate that dude Uh 2.4 My bad. That's right. That's a good thing. I checked so 2.4 for instant referred for one hand, right? But specifically for daggers and this is what I was getting confused on for daggers. It's 1.7, right? For daggers There you go, and uh for range is 2.8, right range 2.8. So like for bows and stuff um So basically what happens here is You have all these things dps times the normalization value as opposed to Your actual weapon speed increase like because you might have like two items that are like 50 dps But if it's slower, it has more damage range the damage range the top end damage is higher, right? What it does is it takes it off of that so then basically your instant strikes are normalized This is basically enough to rogues warriors all this stuff Because what was happening is you had specific items that were really really slow Arcanite reaper, right? Arcanite reaper um You had death bringer the one-handed All kinds of stuff, right? They were really really slow and what was happening It was making these weapons a little bit better Yes, the knicker as well because that was 4.0 speed axe These it was making these weapons better than they were intended versus the raid weapons that might have been a little bit faster, right? So Here's the thing Here's the thing If you have a class That has no instant strikes Normalization means nothing to you. So basically weapon normalization was like an indirect buff to paladins So no not kites. Come on relax Relax, dude. Okay Yeah So yeah, that's how that's how weapon normalization works. So for paladins weapon normalization does not go into effect That's basically my point So you go kills the priest Okay, so as no, okay. Here's what's happening. Let me let me let me roll this back a little bit Okay, so kind of the same thing here against the uh against the rogue, uh What you'll see a lot of times especially in this video, right with with the build that he's running where he's using a shield and sword or shield and mace He's gonna go for the return damage, right ret or a holy shield all this stuff right here. He bops They changed this bot didn't have a graphic. It didn't have an animation in early. Wow Uh, so you can see there's nothing on him There's nothing around him and this rogue is probably just attacking him like what the what the crap's going on He had no idea why he was immune What the rogue could have done here is the rogue could have blinded him But while he was using blessing and protection This is part of the reason why human row human paladins Are worse in pvp than dwarf paladins in uh in some respects It's the fact that they don't have a way to get out of poisons They don't have a way to get out of blind because poisons are not a physical ability If you bop yourself against a rogue Then they blind you through the bop and they can waste your entire bop and uh Just one of the ways like it's like a big meme right the paladins are really good against rogues I think if a rogue knows what he's doing The rogue has so much control that he's able to reset the fight and run the fight to his advantage And uh, I think they have a lot of ways to kill paladins But but the rogue just has to know what he's doing so anyway He goes for this he did he get him out He throws the grenade on him and he vanishes as he does it. I think he gets him out Yeah, he got him out with the grenade So that was a really well timed grenade and a really badly timed vanish So just really really unlucky Yeah, yeah, really really unlucky Uh, yeah, I'm gonna be good old vanilla vanilla bugs. So Normalization affects ap calculation is not weapon damage. That's why slower weapon is still better, but not as good as before uh No, that's that's not how no, that's not how it works for us just like it works like uh It's it's it's basically it's it's off damage. It's not with ap calculations. So here's how here's how normalization works So weapon normalization kind of going on with this uh weapon normalization how it works is you have Your total damage, okay You have your total damage And this is the number that's calculated by taking basically what your base weapon damage is right It takes your it takes your base weapon damage and At least as far as I understand right how it rises ease. Okay. I'm sorry Well, okay, so so here's the thing you take your base weapon damage before it was basically based entirely off your weapon damage Your total damage, but now It's taking it off your weapon speed and dps. That's that's the best way. I think I can explain it the most like layman term is You can instead of just going off your weapon damage on your character screen It it calculates it based on dps and weapon damage Or sorry weapon dps. Does that make sense? Did you read classic wow interview that came out today? It's on uro gamer. I did not can you link it to me? I think that'd be good to talk about right here Annie. Hey, how are you? Wait is any here? You're just randomly adding any fuchsia She's not here. What the frick? Okay, unbelievable. Okay Uh, so yeah, it still uses weapon damage. Yeah, well, no Okay, it still uses weapon damage, right it still uses weapon damage but The weapon damage is for the autos you see Rhaegon force, thank you for the twitch prime And be shady. Thank you for the twitch prime. Appreciate that dude Also storm form knowledge roost poison base team in for like 10 seconds. Yeah immune for poison for 10 seconds Look at this picture. There's an error in the matrix. Oh wow, that's weird. Yeah, that is weird the heck You don't know how that works This is a classic wow interview that came out today Yeah, we'll take a look at that in a second. So like I'm not saying and here's the thing. Let me let me explain It's not it's not that you're you're totally disregarding the weapon damage. Don't get me wrong, right? But my point is My point is is that the The weapon speed right The weapon speed that's used is changed from The the formula changes from using a weapon speed that's on your character's weapon To a set weapon speed based on your on your weapon type. Does that make sense? Am I gonna play warcraft 3 today? Yes, I will Does that make sense? Kevin, what's up, dude? Kevin, I haven't seen you in forever, dude. Where you been Feel like it's been forever since I seen you how freaking hard will you go on classic? Uh, I mean, I'm gonna play the game the way that I play the game, right? Like I'm gonna have more of a Like my raid is gonna be more of a progression celebrate it's not gonna be super hardcore More progression celebrate Uh, very much in the same vein of my my last guild That I became guild leader of eventually, but I didn't start that guild There's some things that that would have been different. I think with the guild had I had I started from scratch um Just some way that things were ran and how it took a long time to like kind of get stuff going and people getting Into a rhythm and stuff like that. So that's that's kind of that's kind of how it is um So anyway, let's take a look at this as well today Before we move on to our game today. So again continue on daily dose of classic By the way guys, if you're watching this on youtube if you're watching this on youtube If you guys have any suggestions of things you want me to talk about anything like that like feel free to leave a comment and Do all that and just kind of let me know like, okay, like it'd be cool if you talked about this or you talked about that, right? Anyway, um, sure I have not seen this yet I have not seen this But We can go ahead and take a look at this This looks like a big interview with looks like brian and no more So this will be fun. Okay Uh, I still can't believe it's really happening world of warcraft classic blizzard has remade wow as it was all those years ago When it launched don't look at the day. It's a bit depressing. Where'd all that life go? Whatever blah, blah, blah, okay? Sure, uh, okay. Let's just get to the interview. So Wait as the door closed on the beta and this team knuckles down in preparation for the launch I take lead software engineer ryan Birmingham and senior software engineer omar gonzalez aside for chat Dude, I say this all the time dude omar gets all the love omar gets all the love Brian is forgotten like what the heck dude like oh every dude brian pepe hands like at least get his name right, dude He's the lead software engineer Dude Brian pepe hands dude unbelievable omar omar is the one who gets all the love, but what about brian? Frick dude, okay brian birmingham Oh, wait, let's start this. Thank you for joining me. I've just been watching videos the final moments of the white plastic beta Of ragnarost stomping on everyone in ogre mar. It was joyous. What a great idea Spawn him in for molten core. Who came up with it? Uh, that was one of our live ops producers. It was a great ideas of his We really liked being able to go back to the feeling of small community where everybody knows each other That we had in the original launch of wow We did crazy things on the servers as they were shutting down during the original beta test So we wanted to do some kind of throwback to them We had the idea of what if we spawn rag and storm on an ogre mar And what if we follow that up with the guardians of blizzard and have them run across the world chasing everybody down Killing as we wipe out the servers and turn them off. It was a lot of fun Omar says we wanted to create something really memorable We thought giving everyone thunder viewer is a drop as they could pick up As drops they could pick up Brian birmingham it was a bit harder than we expected for people to kill the suns of flame And get the thunder furious we put out there, but we did see some people running around with him He says I remember people trying to get thunder fury for the first time. It was a very long convoluted extensive process And therefore thunder fury weapons One of only a few legendary weapons the game at the time were very very rare Brian birmingham. Oh, yeah, I was one of those people. I raided molten core for so long back in the day I was in the one binding club where you got one of them, but not the second one You needed both to complete the quest every time we killed baron geddon I was like, please please please let the second one drop and it never did I was obsessed with the rag and molten core all those years ago and love seeing him come back to prominence It was bizarre being able to solo him because all the level cap increases But those old raids aren't new to anyone anymore. So what do you do about counting world first boss kills in classic? Wow, do they override the original scores? That's not fair Uh, surely people already know the strategies Okay, this is a whole This is a whole can of worms and we might talk about this tomorrow. Okay We might we might I might talk about this. This is a whole can of worms, but We'll keep going We don't count them. That's a community thing Uh, we see the Omar says we see they happen. So we're aware of them, right? It's certainly still a race for people who want to do that But I would encourage people to do it at their own pace. There's still a challenge there We've all seen it. We all know how to do it, but there's still a wrong road to go long road to go Which strategy for optimizing your gear which leveling routes how to invest in and gear up each character They're still going to be a bit of a debate We've seen a lot of surprising results where people thought they knew how things worked in classic, but they don't true True we have seen that what kind of things well We made a post on our forums about exact hit rate calculations Some of the fun is trying to figure out in the minutiae these combat equations The hit chance against the boss creature was eight or nine percent. No one could figure it out So we confirmed it was eight percent, but people were were pointing out. Oh, but I have eight plus eight hit percent We put I have plus eight hit plus eight percent hit chance on my gear And I'm still missing the boss you guys must have it wrong We dug in there and said actually if a boss is three levels higher than you it ignores your first one percent bonus to hit So it's eight percent chance to miss and your first point of plus one percent chance to hit is totally ignored So basically that's whenever you would want nine percent It's really detailed in the minutiae, but uh this edge case that existed back then and we made sure we went back and restored those things We have a tremendous community of incredibly dedicated fans, especially when trying to discover these combat mechanics There was a recent issue with crit percentage chance We didn't release the numbers Uh the actual math so they sat there for whole weekends punching turtles for hours and hours on end to generate Thousand thousand these combat log entries, which they did a tremendous amount of maths on And ended up deriving very accurate numbers through sheer force of will It's that kind of community and devotion that fuels our devotion and passion I assume people would already have those calculations from way back when They have them almost exactly right the mechanics have changed in all these expansions So as people have gotten better and better at figuring equations out We've changed them over time as we've made different design decisions When we roll things all the way back to classic They have the best guesses they had at the time and as they keep working on things and testing things They're going to get closer and closer. They have better tools today. I'm sure they will eventually figure it out But going back to the original Question how that affects the race to world first. There is still a race that if There is still a race there if people want to have it We will have phased content rollout So ragnaros will be available at the beginning on august 27th when we release But the later raids like blackwing lair on garage and next ramus We'll release in later phased content rollouts Okay, so let's make a ragnaros prediction. How long until someone downs him? Brian birmingham. Haha. I'm sure it will take years. All right, obviously joking Uh, so hard. Well, we actually have a little pool going around on the office I'm not going to say who picked what but it's definitely of interest to us as well a little bit of fun. We like to engage in I think I have the longest number. I'm betting on rag omar and the others are betting on the players So, yeah, I think uh, kind of for me what I think about this I think it's technically possible to kill it in the first in the first week right I talk to some other people about it and and Like getting all the reps and stuff like that. I think it's technically possible I don't know for sure actually. I'm I'm not 100 positive on it because I haven't seen it happen, right? But uh, there's a lot of people who think that you can uh, you can actually get all the reps and stuff within the first week So if you can max level and get all the reps and stuff within the first week, then um You could technically go and do the raid But uh, I don't know. I don't know. I think people are gonna have a In some ways people are gonna have a harder time leveling than they expect Uh, but in other ways, they might be a little bit easier, right? Like the concept of uh Dungeon leveling and stuff like that. So I don't know. I personally don't know what's gonna happen. Um Is it possible that get it done the first week? Maybe Now I think like speedrunning mmo's I think that's fine, right? Like different people want different things, right? Different people want different things out of their game experience so for me I like to play the game at like a high level, right? Like I like to play the game and like you'll be good at the game That's that's what I want to do But at the same time like I'm not as interested in speedruns. I'm not as interested in in like the the Very very top end of it. Now. I think that stuff's cool and I have a lot of respect for it, right? People going for like world first race and stuff like that. It's gonna happen in classic I mean people people are going to be interested in what who's gonna be the first skill that downs it, right? I think to say that oh, well world first happened 14 years ago It's like dude It's a it's a different game, right? Like world first and vanilla was a different accomplishment than world first in classic Right, it's still going to be an accomplishment Like and you should still give those people credit, right? Because they're gonna have to spend Weeks preparing mats and farming and this and that getting everything ready to where whenever they go into the raids They just go in and they they have all their stuff ready to go and they go kill the first They kill all the bosses first like I think that's cool Now I'm not going to do that But I do think it's cool that other people are going to do that People have the knowledge now. Yeah So What more of a world first race would there be for killing these raids? All the information all the knowledge everything is out there, right? So now the race doesn't come down to who can figure everything out and do all that stuff and and have better gear And all that stuff and go into it kind of like to do with the world first race in retail But it comes down to just your sub for six months You sexy beast Thanks insomniac. Thanks for the six months It comes down to preparation and and being ready to go people are all in private servers People are always interested to hear like oh who was the first skill that cleared whatever, right? It's just a different game, right? It's a different game than retail. It's a different game than retail vanilla, right? So I think surely like yes getting getting something like world first and classic or whatever Like that that's that's a feather in your cap. That's an accomplishment, right? You don't want to like why would you take that away from people, you know That might be something not something that that might not be something that I am particularly interested in in terms of Myself doing it But if I go and oh that's dumb take that away from people no way like that's that's going to be incredibly impressive, right? You spent weeks farming and getting your your consumes and everything ready to go I think it's cool. I want world last rag kill. Yeah Hey in a sense world last rag That's a bigger accomplishment Because then nobody will ever have killed rag after you boom okay so With the close beta just finished What have you what have you been noticing about how people have been playing it? A lot of times I said I was going to talk about that tomorrow, but whatever I mean, I couldn't I couldn't keep my mouth shut a lot of time has passed since the original launch Are people's habits different or are people slipping easily back into rhythms they used to have? What have you seen? One thing I noticed is just how passionate people were about the beta Our expectations of the beta is generally we'll get a lot of people to come in try things out for a little bit And they'll say okay. I'm gonna wait and wait until release until now I've helped you guys test and now I'm finished We were really thrilled and blown away by just how many people wanted to play night after night Even though they knew these characters are going to get wiped out before we release it really blew us away How dedicated people were Omar says I was really impressed with the varied ways players would engage with the game A lot of our fans are very dedicated mathematicians or statisticians Then they sat there and figured out all the combat math other players were very exploratory And wanted to engage in the world so they wanted into higher level areas to poke and prod Some players wanted to just hang out in the capital cities and meet other players Others leveled up repeatedly or helped other players level up There was this great variation even though this was just temporary which we did not expect but we love very much Has there been any unexpected feedback from the beta any issues you've seen and want to tell people You're aware of in our dressing for instance, I've seen people talking a fair bit about layering and opinions are divided on whether it's working Brian says the only thing I really want to call out on layering is a lot of people were wondering if the population thresholds in the beta were accurate and they're not Yeah, okay, that's that's good. We've talked about that before There were some people who said did they just turn this on to test it functionally to make sure it worked That's accurate We set the thresholds much lower on the beta than we would for live because we wanted to make sure we were actually testing the feature There were other things people pointed out as bugs that we were not expecting Uh, there were some hunter animation issues. Omar says there have been a lot of changes We've had to undo so hunter gameplay was accurate to how it originally was not just in combat mechanics But movement aesthetics and animation There are a lot of subtle things our hunter community has been very helpful to point out brian says Oh hunters anyway What do you do now between beta closing and wild classic launch? Omar bug smash Uh, that's exactly right. We've collected all these bugs. So now what we're doing is prioritizing crushing them out as quickly as we can We're trying to make sure we get the most impactful and obvious bugs the most combat affecting and aesthetic affecting And make sure we push those to the front and focus on those And get them crushed we get stable and hopefully authentic feeling release A funny you should mention authentic feeling authentic feeling Remember what we talked about yesterday rygorama. Good night, dude. We'll see you later, man What we talked about yesterday Was basically how I hope they put a better emphasis on this as opposed to trying to keep it so like no changes on the back end, right? Not not Uh Not tampering with the 1.12 data, right? That was that was one of their design principles and I think going for authentic feeling Which is going to be hard Because of everything else that's all things considered, right? You have 16 debuff slots 1.12 itemization 1.12 talents Basically everything is endgame Except for the phases so the content that's available. So you you have endgame rag in phase one So you're taking the post and I'm not going to talk about this as much just because we talked about it yesterday, but You're taking the post, right? You're taking this end of the spectrum and you're moving it this way And you're taking this end of the spectrum And you're moving it this way, right or not the spectrum, but like look at this This is like a boss strength And this is player strength So player strength Is going up Boss strength is going down. This is going to be very different. You're you're effectively making the game easier And that's that's my concern, right? This this inherently Takes you away from that authentic feeling this works against the authentic feeling Because No changes 1.12 is technically vanilla. Wow, right? And if you want to say, oh, well no changes, right? That's what the community wants. That's what this was This is no changes is almost a meme, right? Like I know people want to play the same game they played back then but Like I said, if this means that they increase Or or change armor resist health Damage Right. You change data Okay You change data That's on the back end. That's in the code In order to give you this thing authentic feeling that what the players will actually experience Right This is the most important thing, right? Because what I'm worried about is that the raids are just going to be way too easy Obviously retail raids are are more mechanically intensive, right? Everybody knows that and for the 1% for the 1%ers It's not going to make a difference. These guys are going to go in and clear the raids on the first day No, no, like these guys are these guys are going to do that either way, right? The problem is for the typical player Right, you don't want to take away from the typical player The the feeling of accomplishment the grind having to work for killing these bosses and stuff By basing the game off of 1.12, which again, it's technically that's technically vanilla, right? That's technically vanilla. That's technically no changes But you're doing 1.12 everything except for content, which is content is 1.1 and 1.2 really It's it's content is 1.2 content with 1.12 everything else so that That is my concern and like I said, I could be wrong about this I talked about this a ton yesterday, so I'm not going to talk about it too much more than that But and again, I could be wrong, but we haven't seen the raids tested, right? We've only seen up to level 40 So because we've only seen up to level 40 I this is purely what? This is purely speculation on the concerns of 1.12 Itemization class balance changes all that With 1.2 content 1.2 content, right? Well, it's not even truly 1.2 content because it's the 1.12 version of 1.2 content, right? 1.12 version Of 1.2 content I don't think you should artificially make classic harder than it's supposed to be, right? But I think what's happening here is you're making it easier than it's supposed to be No, not virgin, virgin Yeah, virgin Sion Can you guys not read this? I've got handwriting They can't do anything to make it harder. Well, I mean they technically could do something to make it harder, right? But uh, I don't think they should try and make it harder artificially, right? But uh, what's happening is they're making it easier essentially and that's that's my concern, right? Anyway, I'm gonna post that youtube video where I talked about it for like an hour yesterday I'm gonna I'm gonna post that on youtube probably tonight after stream So, uh, I don't want to talk about it too much because I was I was on it yesterday. It's it's been like Handwriting of eight-year-old. Okay. Am I gonna have to get a tablet? I okay, I'm gonna get a tablet so you guys can understand whenever I'm writing on paint. How does that sound? I get a tablet and I actually I actually hand write instead of trying to use a mouse Yay or nay MC is easy. I went there today and one shot everything nice Very good. Uh, yeah. Anyway, funny submission authentic feeling one thing I remember about original wow launch was cues Lots of cues. That's the authentic experience. It would be fitting wouldn't it classic got the same? Omar laughs Okay, Omar, haha. Okay next question. Uh, what are you gonna do to prepare for launch load? Do you actually expect any cues? um Brian Birmingham says our goal is to get as many people into the game and playing as possible That's what we want. We don't want people to wait in a queue But part of this problem is or part of this is a problem of prediction How many people are going to show up? We're trying just like we did in 2004 to make our best guesses in terms of what we're going to see And make sure we have plans in place to prepare for those so we can minimize the cues If players blow us away again, there will be cues until we can fix something, right? There so they're saying Basically if there's too many people trying to log into one server then there's going to be cues, right? We're better prepared than we were in 2004 to respond to that situation So if there are cues, I wouldn't expect them to last for very long in terms of days or weeks after launch launch day is always craziest Hopefully you'll see a cue on launch day, but you won't in the next couple of days or weeks How big is the wow classic launch in comparison to something like a wow expansion? Is it different internally? Uh, well, there's some differences and similarities. We'll likely set up a war room like nasa mission control Where we have all hands on deck on one hand It's a little bit simpler because what players will be doing is more known But on the other hand, it's much more complicated because we've built out Effectively a whole new infrastructure and that's something we typically don't do for an expansion An expansion launch is much more of a software upgrade Our classic launch will include hardware deploys in all the various regions something we haven't done in almost 15 years Definitely in terms of rough sizing. We're treating it as the same level of same level of event internally as a major expansion launch It's all hands on deck. The whole world of warcraft team is lending a hand making sure we're good to go Make sure you order lots of pizza There you go So what happens in terms of scaling up and down after launch if loads of people flood in How quickly can you scale up and conversely if the classic novelty quickly wears off? How quickly can you scale down? Brian says well, that's exactly what makes it a complicated problem. We don't really know We're trying to make sure we have various controls in place to scale in either direction We might have both things happen More people show up on launch day and we have to expand capacity And then as players distribute throughout the world and play less and less every day We do have controls to go in both directions Omar says our systems are much more evolved than when than when we launched 15 years ago So we have a much more flexible infrastructure able to respond more quickly Chandler, this isn't windows vista. This is okay. So many people come in and keep saying why is s-fan running windows vista This is this is windows xp Like it's not vista Okay Like, okay. Were you were you guys even alive whenever windows xp came out? How many years has it been? Ergo just reset for six months less than a month to classic I can't believe we've finally come this far. I know vanilla brains engage five head There you go. Thank you for the six months, man. Windows xp came out in 2001 Wait support has ended Am I at risk? So anyway Let's see We do not have it available. Oh, sorry Original while had a lot of problems with gold farming the umbrella term used to refer to the black market practice of people not blizzard Selling world of warcraft gold What they people didn't call it gold farming everybody farms gold the heck Visa didn't thank you for the twitch prime. Let me make sure I didn't miss any of these other ones Logue thank you for the twitch prime seven months insomniac. Thank you for the six months. That kid's a scootin. Thank you for the three months Be shady. Thank you for the twitch prime L white monkey. Thank you for the twitch prime I think we got everything else I got lupus. I got all that okay Now of course you can legitimately buy golden while using the token system. This is available in classic. No It's not gonna be in classic although players have pointed out that since it's a shared sub If you want to farm a bunch of gold in modern wow and use that to re-up your subscription That does get you another month of classic as well Uh, so you expect gold farming issues again Brian says as long as a human is at the keyboard and they're actually running around doing things farming materials for your raids Farming gold farming herbs were activities that were okay. They were normal gameplay Really where we get concerned is when someone has got some kind of automation program doing the gameplay for them That's against our terms of service and we'll have better detection algorithms and techniques today than we had before So we hope that will be sufficient to keep it under control. Yeah, see like this is a This is like gold farming is fine. Like everybody farms gold Yeah, literally everybody farms gold marvin made it. Thank you for the twitch prime gary ore. Thank you for the four months Going forward while classic have dedicated post launch development team. How's it carved up internally? I don't want to get too much into specifics, but we're part of the world of warcraft team It's the world of warcraft team should be classic, but there are dedicated resources So Yeah, basically like they have like two separate teams within one team, right? Like that's that's kind of the vibe that I I get that's that's my understanding a bit Uh, you boy gbear. Thank you for the twitch prime Ian has a coaster set up blizzcon 2019 There'd be four phases of wild classic content patches. That was back in november has anything changed We did that Classic community. We did that dude. We were we were hot on this hardcore talking about changing it from four To six or seven phases and we did that that is that is pog you that was us, okay? Wow relic. Thank you for the one year resub Thank you so much dude classic community at its finest that has changed. I'm glad you asked it is no longer four phases, but it's six Uh phase one is the launch phase and a rag and a nixie are going to be available Phase two we're going dire mall and pvp honor system You'll be able to kill people in the world during phase one, but there won't be an honor system tracking it Phase three is going to be the first two battlegrounds avian warsong alongside bwl in phase four We release ab alongside zg and the green dragons Phase five is a q and then finally phase six is naks Part of the reason we changed is that we had a lot of feedback from the community That four phases was too few they were distinct periods of time that they wanted to recapture where certain content wasn't available or certain rewards It would trivialize the content. For example, people were concerned that if you got battleground reputation rewards too early It would make it trivial to go through moan core and nixie and they're right dude. So Those of you guys who don't know the story, right? Those of you guys who don't know the story, uh Whenever I got a chance to stream at blizzcon last year I sat down with the ithissins the day after blizzcon. He's isekar on twitch and unfortunately He's not a blizzard anymore But I sat down with the ithissins and like he'll tell you I I showed up and I had like A Like a laundry list of issues. I was like, well, you guys need to look at this like basically completely talking to him About like how I felt about the uh, how I feel about the At last classic is so close. I can taste it. Thank you for all you have done and continue to do for your community Appriciate you bro. Thank you xander. I really really appreciate that man and thank you for the seven months too So Good job. Just your sub for 13. Good job Rob. Thank you for the 13 months. Love your content man Can't wait for classic 27 more days pog 27 more days Very close so so one of the things yithissins and I talked about was how basically They said there's going to be four phases of content release and and basically exactly what brian says here that Myself and a lot of other people were really hot on where it was basically saying that like Look, you can't have The game release in only four phases. Like there's so many different issues, right? He touches on it here, right trivializing content this and that Uh, but it also has to do with the kind of like the ebb and flow of the game, right? If you have four phases of content release and Wow, vanilla. Wow. I think was roughly 25 months Right I think it was 25 months So We'll just say two years, right? And I think that's probably what they'll go with Back in the day. So it's it's approximately two years. So if you only have four phases of release, right? You have one you have the launch two three four, right How many months in between all this right like are you going to go six months 12 months 18 months Between patches six months is a long time To not have any sort of update happen to a game, right in an ideal world They they'd probably do all 11 patches, but they're not going to do that They they what they decided to do was package basically two patches in and go with six phases and do two patches at a time Right, so This was the old system, right? This was the old system So they got rid of this and basically what they decided to do what they decided to do was I think they're probably going to end up doing about two years make it six. So we got one two three four five And then six, right? And it's going to look somewhat like this not exactly I think the last phase is going to be a long phase, right? Let's be phase six. Let's be phase five four three wait one two three four five Six, right? I think six will be the longest phase, right? um Two years feels very long. Well, that's what it's going to be. I mean if you look at the original, uh If you look at the original let's see this Vanilla wow patch patch one point Wow patch 2.0. Wow wiki Okay, so We know launch was when? November 23rd November 23rd 2004 so Patch 2.0 was on the 5th of december 2006 So this is just over two years later is whenever the 2.0 patch came out Now this you know 2.0 this is when the patch hit, right? The actual release of burning crusade was on january 17th 18th Burning crusade launch uh 16th my bad. So january 16th, right was whenever burning crusade actually launched so um Regardless the burning crusade 2.0 patch was about About 24 to 20 24 and a half months later, right? So that's why I think you're going to go with roughly two years Now I should have closed that Now with that being said If you look at patch 1.12 Okay This patch is in 22nd of august 2006. This is going to be packaged in with the next patch, right? The idea is that it's packaged in with next um The next patch Happened on the 20th of june 2006. Okay If the next patch happens 20th of june 2006 And you're going back to patch 1.9 that came out in january if I if I remember correctly Let's see 10 or 3rd of january 2006. So 20th of june to 3rd of january You're looking at about six months McConnell word became the tier 3 s fan the rain is just something in bfa. You need to go big dick Well, here's the thing I I actually would right. I honestly would But I think by the time I get geared up enough I think by the time that I actually get geared up enough Uh to do anything classics basically going to come out, right? Because I was playing bfa a little bit early on But And not early on but a few days ago, but but I kind of had the realization that it's just going to take me too long Otherwise, I would like I'm just I'm so far behind And thanks for the tier 3 20 months, dude. Thank you man so Max was out for about six months and not many people cleared it. Yeah, that's how that's how hard max was back in the day, right? That was the uh, that that's basically what it was. So Yeah, pretty crazy How do you get the black grudge battle tank? Uh, it's it's from ringing the gong. You have to do the quest for the aq for aq launch. So max out. Yeah Uh, it's gonna be so easy to gear up and do arenas I think the only way that it would be easy to gear up and do arenas is if I do is if I Like basically hop into a run with asman and my gear is so bad and everybody else's gear is so good Because he only invites people that are really well geared and that they can trade me all the items that they don't need That's basically it, right? So, yeah, that's that's basically how it works Uh, best educated guess. What do you think blizzard will do post-nax something like osrs? I think they're gonna do burning crusade. Uh, I think they're gonna do burning crusade I think like a classic plus could be cool potentially, right? I don't I don't think it's a bad idea But I also think burning crusade should probably be like the first priority before like a classic plus or something like that so Do you think vanilla feeds of strength achievements will be attainable in classic account wide? No I think there will be no achievement crossover from classic to retail Um, so yeah, basically here's my point. My point is is that phase five to phase six phase five is probably gonna last about six months I think I think I think phase five is probably gonna last Maybe maybe like five months and this will last like six months or something, right? Something like that. So this will probably last like three months This will probably last what is this? This is diarmall and pvp and then blackwing layers here. This will probably last about three months See blackwing layer Hmm blackwing layer and then this is going to be the emerald dragons and zg so I mean you're almost looking at like three three three three and then that's one year at this point and then you got Six six, right? And then that's about two years. So now they could go with a faster timeline than two years I don't know if they will or not, right? And I don't think it'll be exactly three months exactly three months exactly three months exactly three months But I think that I wouldn't be surprised if this was roughly what it was blackwing layer released I think after like seven months seven or eight months Uh around that time, right roughly, um after launch so getting that at like basically the six month mark um I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised and then you have like a constant flow of release That's my big thing with classic. Wow, dude. That's my big thing with classic. Wow where I'm saying I think if if the beta were still live right now If the beta were still live right now And it was it was the full release of the game and we could go to level 60 and do all that I think now is about the time where we kind of like if you've been playing a lot You're kind of going to start to taper off and and there's going to be a few less things to do And what is this? We are sitting at July June May 15th, so you're sitting at about the two and a half month mark, right? That's pretty good, right? So if we're at the two and a half month mark right now Then you have another half a month ish Before the next patch comes out And if you've been playing the game a lot Then you don't really have much dead time before there's new content added into the game dm plus honor system You see what i'm saying? Like this is why this is why I was I was so like and this is why so many people were so insistent on going to six phases Instead of the four phases that they originally planned uh because If this lasted six months like for sure I almost think I I think that almost for sure Classically been like dead after a few months. Maybe they open up classic to the community after naks or bc for community creators Uh, I don't think they're gonna do something like that because I don't think they would let go of it like that, you know But thank you for the thousand bits adler. I mean could it be cool? Sure Are you only counting streamers are people able to play eight plus a day eight plus what minutes? What i'm saying is people playing like non-stop, right? I think I think that if you're playing like normal like not like a crazy person Then you know when you're probably going to hit level 60 I think the typical player is it's probably going to take them a little bit like it might be two months before you hit 60 Why are we still talking about this next topic? Why are you here? You want to leave Because you can stay if you want but if you're going to complain about talking about classic then you can just get the Hell out of here So anyway Yeah I think two months to three months for a typical player This is probably how long it'll take you to classic like if you're playing just a few hours a day You see what i'm saying Those people just miss out and fall behind the six patches need to come out fast. No, I don't know Uh, I was gonna say I'll have a busy work schedule I'll most likely have to I have time to hit 60 in that three-month time period and gear up for what I'd like to before the next phase starts Yeah, and then that's perfect, right? I mean the next phase will start and you still won't have a hundred percent everything done Right, I think I think looking at the concerns of the typical player at this point in district subbing for the minecraft server Jk. Love you, dude. Thanks guy. Thank you for the four months, dude Let me let me let me keep going and then I'll look at the notifications again But yeah, I think the concerns of the typical player Is is probably what's the the most important thing to look at Right the concerns of the typical player is probably the most important thing to look at Right because because I think it doesn't really change for the one percent, right? It goes back to what I was saying about this thing over here Okay, see after not touching this for a while And then coming back and looking at it. I see what you guys are saying my handwriting was really really bad Uh, but I'm gonna post I'm gonna post the video because yesterday on daily dose of classic Yesterday I talked about this like really in depth for like an hour and uh I'm gonna post that on my youtube channel tonight. Um, so yeah guys, here's what I'm doing by the way I saw that as we just ended um So what I'm doing is I'm sure what what do I hear? I'm a Okay, so sleazy she donated three dollars two to three months. That's probably going to be me a little Yeah, and that's that's totally fine sleazy. Yeah, that's that's totally fine Everybody plays classic a different way and that's that's totally cool Um, it's just what you're what what you want to do, right? Thanks for three dollars, dude so Cutie, thank you for the two months and wonky eye. Thank you for the twitch prime. Thank you guys um, so yeah, basically I um What I've been doing is I've been starting out my streams like this. I call it daily dose of classic I'm going to take this I'm going to cut these and I'm going to put them on my youtube channel And I'm starting all my streams like this now. So I go in we talk about classic for a little bit and then from there Uh, we're going to go on we're going to keep doing the variety thing today. We're going to play warcraft 3 So it'll be really fun. It'll be good. So that's the that's kind of how I've been approaching My streams and I'm probably going to keep doing this until classic launch. So yeah If you guys want to sub to my youtube channel, yeah puntenclan Just linked it you guys and sub to my youtube channel youtube.com slash s fan tv. There you go So anyway, uh, I think the concerns of the typical players is what needs to what they need to look at Uh, it's it's pretty important because this is from a player population perspective This is the highest population that you have is like the typical player, right? Not not the one percenters but The average player I could listen to you talking about classic for years my dude. Well, thanks dude. Thanks Danico What's your twitter twitter.com slash s fan tv There you go What's up with stay safe? He quit streaming it all until classic. No, he was doing the red bull world first race uh, stay safe was doing the red bull world first race and he's uh Oh, he's coming back to he's coming. He's I think he's flying back to america soon Or I think I think he'll get home soon. So Yeah, it looks like 140. Yeah, frick. I'm gonna get a tablet. Oh, hello there Hello Thank you ty like thanks for the three months. I'm gonna get a tablet so I can actually like hand write instead of having to use a mouse I do this so much. I should get a tablet Um But secrets don't need a dollar. Hey s fan penis penis penis if I wasn't header a file I would accept you on tinder and we would make love. I love you wait too much alcohol right now Also frozen pizza in the oven penis Can't wait for classic got cheap as cocky. Thank you. Thank you secret. Thank you for the three dollars. Appreciate that Uh, wouldn't it be easier use the text tool to type? No, because my brain my brain. I have to write it text tool is boring. So um Yeah, so anyway, that's that's how I feel about the six phases of content release, right? I'm very happy that they moved to six Uh, because four phases was was not nearly enough and again, like I said kind of going back to this This is what my concern is about 1.12 itemization class balance Player everything right itemization talents all that stuff. Uh, and then doing 1.2 content Doing 1.12 version of 1.2 content. So you're doing like rag like post nerf You're doing the done rates post nerf So the players are player strength is going to go up and then the boss strength is going to go down So you're effectively making classic like Easier, right? So you do you want to get that authentic feeling of classic? Wow And then if you're if you're so four months, can't wait for classic Thank you. Keep up the good work. Thank you for the four months Scotty boy underscore 97 just resub for five months Thank you. Thank you for the the five months. Scotty boy. Thank you, man So, uh, yeah, basically what's happening here is if you if you try so hard to no changes We don't want to change the 1.12 data Which is like behind the scenes. That's the data tables and stuff like that Sleazy she donated three dollars. What should I play in classic balance steward pleb in the mage group right here Well, boom, give him with the mages Yeah, yeah, that's how it goes dude. Um, okay, so thank you for the three dollars sleazy But yeah, as I was saying, uh, if you're so insistent on no changes We're not going to change the 1.12 data because yes, that's technically vanilla and that's like, you know What you would consider be no changes, right? You're actually going to be taking away from this authentic feeling because of some other design decisions that they've made To base everything off of 1.12 and then release the content even the 1.12 version of content as 1.2, right So 1.2 like 1.12 version of 1.2 content. That's basically what's happening on launch So by by being so insistent on this you're actually working away the most important bullet point of authentic feeling These are the three I talked about this a ton yesterday and and it's it's been on my mind so much, but I just have to get this out again there's three Like there's three bullet points, right? They're of the design philosophy for classic. Wow They want to go one They want the authentic vanilla feeling Two they want to have an emphasis on the social dynamic of vanilla. Wow, right and have that that social aspect of the game Intact and then three is not messing with the 1.12 data, right? That's the fancy way of saying no changes so What's happening is bullet point one and bullet point three They're these are conflicting. These are conflicting bullet points. These are conflicting decisions So they're they're actively working away again They're actively working against each other Whenever you get to this point, right? It all falls in line initially But whenever you you you break it down and you start looking at the nitty gritty You're actually going to move away from the authentic feeling by being so insistent on not changing anything from the 1.12, right? so again Yeah, I'm done with that There's going to be a video on my youtube channel where I talked about that for like an hour I just it's it's on my brain. So I had to touch on it again. So yeah Why don't you use text boxes because my brain is weird and I like writing it out with a mouse Um, yeah So I don't know and like I said Like I said, I could be totally wrong about this. This is purely speculation Right, this is purely speculation But what I'm concerned about Is that the early content ends up being so easy even for the typical player? That you really trivialize the game and you're taking away like the the true experience of vanilla wow from people Obviously, we all know that mechanics are in retailer harder, right? Like I think anybody who's played both will tell you that But it's it's not about mechanics. It's about the other stuff. So Anyway, uh Finally What happened when the six phases are done? Uh, what happens with expansion rollout? I don't know that we have any plans right now for sure We focus entirely on wow classic and making sure it's going to be as correct and authentic as possible And we're really excited to see what fans say when they're experiencing it We started this whole project. It's a love letter to fans. They've been demanding this from us We wanted to respond and give them what they've been asking us for We will continue to listen to community feedback and we want to know what people think and want to see next So they say no plans right now, right? They say no plans right now But I mean they've they basically like I get the vibe personally that If classic does well, they're gonna be doing running crusade auto With 20 gifted subs dude auto Thank you so much, man. Holy crap 20 gifted subs and mud monkey with a twitch prime Dude, thank you guys so much auto 20 gifted subs That doesn't i'm talking about you. Thank you so much, man Thank you so much so guys That was our daily dose of classic for today If you're watching this on youtube, I'd appreciate it if you sub If you like if you leave a comment kind of let me know what you guys want me to talk about and i'm starting all my streams like this Yeah, i'm starting all my streams like this at least until classic comes out Or at least the majority of my streams will start this way until classic comes out before we move on to variety and playing other games and stuff Or even playing a little bit of retail, right? It just kind of depends Up until classic comes out. So thank you guys so much and i'll see you guys tomorrow