 Today's podcast is brought to you by FreshBooks.com. Get a 30-day free trial at gofreshbooks.com forward slash David Feldman show. The David Feldman radio program is made possible by listeners like you. You sad pathetic humps. Joining us is the founder and treasurer of the Blue America Pack, which raises money for progressive candidates all over America. He's also the author of the Down with Tyranny blog. Mr. Howie Klein. Hello, Howie Klein. How are you? Very good. Always glad to hear your voice. We're going to talk about sugar. We're going to talk about wiki leaks. And this orange-faced guy who's running on the Republican Party very quickly. You made your fortune in the music industry. I did. Dylan won a Nobel Prize, Nobel Nobel Prize. Your thoughts on Bob Dylan? Well, Bob, you know what? They're very emotional. And I worship Bob Dylan and have since I was a kid. This I felt was sort of a recognition obviously of someone who's extremely talented and deserved this very, very much. I real felt it was a recognition for my generation, for the people who saw the importance of Bob Dylan. And I was just thrilled and excited and it couldn't have been happier. From the very earliest times of me enjoying music, Bob Dylan was a numero uno in my life. And, you know, I was just overjoyed. I remember when I was in college, there were teachers who wanted to teach courses on Bob Dylan. And the conservatives who were generally in charge of the universities or the departments in the universities were horrified by it. Just the whole notion of even considering it to be literature and anything other than some kind of pop song was something that they were horrified by. And that was, you know, that was just part of those tumultuous times where there were people who recognized what Bob Dylan was and who he was. And then there were people who just, you know, could not see it for anything. To our younger listeners, what is some essential Dylan that they should check out? Well, I would recommend that they check out the earliest, the earliest Dylan stuff. Like the stuff primarily, you know, Blonde On Blonde album and before. You know, songs like Absolutely Sixth Street or Fourth Street, whatever the street it was. It's just early, early Bob Dylan. Like if you, and unfortunately, YouTube doesn't have a lot of Bob Dylan for some bizarre reason. But always stuff coming and going. So if you go to YouTube, that's how you listen to your music and you type in Bob Dylan. Any of his early songs would be the way to go. So anything from Blonde On Blonde and earlier. You ran Warner Brothers Records and Reprise. He's always been with Columbia, right? That is right. You never did business with him. Well, he, no, I did. I never did business with him at all. One of my neighbors played with him and they were very close still to this day, Jim Keltner. And then the person on the other side of the fence for me, Down Swope, is one of his two or three best friends in the world. So I have some kind of connection through these people with him, but really not. Well, you know, we have mutual friends. Does he have friends? Sorry? Does he have friends? Absolutely, he has friends. And, you know, and enemies. I mean, you know, someone who I have been very, very close with, you know, has a... Well, I wouldn't want to quote, say, an enemy situation with her. Although sometimes it is an enemy situation and she talks about him. I felt when she had nasty things to say about him, she also had a complete fondness for him as well. So it was two things at the same time. And I'm talking, I'm describing Joni Mitchell right now, who always seemed to be frustrated because people would always say she's the greatest female songwriter in the world. And that would drive her insane. That would literally drive her crazy because she considered herself to be the greatest songwriter in the world, not to be the greatest female songwriter in the world. And even to a point where someone would say that she would wind up attacking Dylan. Wow. I'm going to see her tomorrow and it'll be interesting to see what she says about this Nobel Prize. I had no idea that, you know, humans are humans. That's really interesting. Except for Trump. We'll get to that in a second. His poetry, if you strip away the voice and the music, does the poetry stand on its own? Well, to me it always did. I mean, bear in mind in the last years, I haven't been listening to Bob Dylan's music. I hear people saying that it's still good and his songs are still wonderful. But I went from being a Bob Dylan fanatic who would live my life by listening to Bob Dylan's albums to being someone who I haven't heard in his 10 last albums, so I couldn't say. But in terms of the question you're asking is whether or not his poetry stands up, to me it does. It says something to me. It seems to me to be very, very important. And let's face it. Bob Dylan is not, you know, some guy that's got like some incredible voice. That's not what it is. Bob Dylan is not some kind of amazing, incredible musician in terms of how he plays his guitar or his harmonica. That's not what it's about. I mean, Bob Dylan is about his lyrics, or his poems, if you want to say it. We'll move on to less important stuff. But was he the one who taught John Lennon that music is now about the entire sound, that you can't focus on lyrics or the music. You have to really focus on the sound of the song, the overall sound. I don't know. I've never read that, so I have no idea. That's what kind of happened in the 60s with the Beatles where the music, the music itself, became less important than the sound. And so that's why I wonder about the poetry. But let's move on. Okay. Shall we? Yes, we shall. Okay. Tell me about sugar. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, you write and Dan with tyranny gets a couple hundred thousand dollars in donations from the sugar lobbyists in Florida. Well, I mean, yes, she does. But there's much more to it than just the amount of money that Debbie Wasserman Schultz takes from sugar lobbyists and from sugar companies. In the United States, there's a sugar cartel. And so no matter what the company is called, there are a lot of different companies. They're all owned by one family. Let me interrupt you for a second. Let me just put this in context. Last week, President Obama lifted the embargo on rum and Cuban cigarettes. Our embargo. Cuban rum and Cuban cigars. And you need sugar to make rum. So we can now drink Cuban rum and Cuban cigars. And yet there's no embargo. They didn't lift the embargo on sugar, correct? Right. And what you have to understand is that sugar is by far. And I mean by far the biggest piece of the Cuban economy. So what they're looking for is not to sell a bunch of cigars or to sell some rum to tourists, but they're looking for a lifting of the sugar embargo. That's the big piece of the puzzle. And that's not happening. So the point in the piece that I wrote was that Debbie Wasserman Schultz and not her alone. There were several others as well. In the Senate, certainly Marco Rubio in the House. Iliana Ross-Lentinen and Mario Diaz-Ballard. They're all in this together. They get large amounts of money from the sugar industry. And as I was saying, in this country, that's the fun jewel family. That family owns the entire sugar production capacity of the United States. Almost all of it. And it's not just the amounts of money, since you brought up Debbie Wasserman Schultz. It's not just the amounts of money that they've given her, which is very, very large. But it's the amounts of money that they've spent on her career. They have guaranteed that she would become a powerful member of Congress. How do you do that? She is able to say to them, alright, these 30 Democratic freshmen, I can control them. Give each of them $5,000. So that doesn't show up as a Debbie Wasserman Schultz contribution. But that's a gigantic contribution to her power. And that literally happened. What I just said actually did happen. Well, that's how Lyndon Johnson became Senate Majority Leader, right? Sorry? That's how Lyndon Johnson became Senate Majority Leader. Well, he was good at that kind of stuff as well. That's right. But in the case of Debbie, when the head of the Appropriations Committee, Charlie Rangel at the time, brought up lifting the Cuban sugar embargo. This was many years ago, about a decade ago. And it was going to sail through. It was bipartisan. The Republicans were okay with it. The Democrats were okay with it. The leadership of both parties were good. And it was a go. And then the vote came. And all of a sudden Debbie Wasserman Schultz, suddenly out of nowhere, had enough votes to stop it. And who are all of these freshman congressmen in 2006 who were going along with her on this? And then we looked at it. They had all gotten large contributions from the fun jewels on the same day. And all at her direction. So when I say that she is in bed with the sugar industry, I'm not just talking about the hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars that they've given her. And the independent expenditures, I mean, they said that if she was in trouble, for example, in this primary that she just had, they would finance a million dollar advertising campaign in her favor. As it turned out, they gave quite a lot of money. They didn't have to give a million dollars. She won her primary anyway. But that is the power of this sugar cartel. And that was why I contend that the sugar embargo was not lifted when Obama lifted the embargo on tobacco products, or at least on cigars. Tobacco is the number two agricultural product of Cuba. And he lifted that, but not on sugar. And that's because powerful interest. As you and I had talked about earlier, back in around 1900, after the United States occupied sort of World with Spain and occupied Cuba, there was some talk about incorporating Cuba into the United States. At least in a similar way to the way Puerto Rico was incorporated into the United States. Puerto Rico is still not a state, but it's part of the United States. Cuba, they didn't want to do that with because the sugar beet producers in the west had enough power, especially, believe it or not, in Minnesota. I think that was the main state that was producing sugar beets at the time, but also North Dakota was, Montana was, Wyoming was. But Idaho, those states were producing sugar beets, and they didn't want the competition of cheap sugar from Cuba coming in. And the history of Cuban sugar prices is incredible. I mean, it could go in less than a year from two cents a pound to 50 cents a pound. And people make their living on that. That's a gigantic disparity. What about Hawaii? Now, Hawaii is sugar cane. That's different than sugar beets, right? Yeah, but at that time that wasn't as big a factor. It became a big factor, but it's sugar beet, sugar cane. But we did allow Hawaii to become a state, and did that have any effect on the price of sugar? You know what, it probably did, but I don't know. When I just went back to research this, I researched how it related to Cuba. I wasn't looking at Hawaii, so I don't know. I was just thinking maybe North Dakota. So Hawaii certainly didn't have any kind of political clout to prevent the U.S. from annexing Cuba. They weren't even a state at the time. I'm saying that I'm surprised that we allowed Hawaii to become a state, given the powerful sugar lobby in the Dakotas. But Hawaii didn't become a state until what? 59, 58? Yeah, I mean, that's recent history we're talking about in Cuba that was half a century earlier. So it's interesting that sugar and tobacco, an argument could be made that sugar is more lethal than tobacco. They're now finding that you need sugar in order to get cancer, and you also are discovering, I mean, it's almost just accepted, received wisdom now, that sugar makes people fat more than fat makes people fat, and all this... Right, sugar makes you obese, sugar gives diabetes, cancer, heart disease. Sugar is responsible for a lot of the, is at the base of a lot of the most lethal health problems that Americans face. Absolutely. In fact, the story that I did at the very end of it, I interviewed a physician named Alina Valdez, and Alina is running for Congress against one of Debbie Wasserman Schultz's Republican cronies, described Mario Diaz-Balart, and Diaz-Balart is in the same situation as Wasserman Schultz. He takes a lot of money from Big Sugar, and he is part of that block who prevents normalization of relations with Cuba. He doesn't want normalization. Ironically, his father, Diaz-Balart, not his father, his grandfather, I think it was his grandfather, was the minister of the interior under Batista, the fascist who Castro overthrew in Cuba, and his father was literally, I think it was his grandfather, was a hands-on torturer, and he and his brother became U.S. congressmen, and the brother resigned from Congress, or eventually didn't run the older brother, Lincoln Diaz-Balart, and he is now preparing to become president of Cuba. He thinks that when the Castro's are dead, he's going to go back there, and the people will welcome him as their next president. So he left the U.S. Congress, and it's just spending all this time and getting ready to be president of Cuba. Wow. I want to get to WikiLeaks and The Orange Man, but the Sugar Lobby is so powerful that, you know, I came of age, I was convinced in the 80s and the 90s that the key to losing weight was by having a low-fat diet. Well, when you take out, that was the 80s and the 90s in the arts, where they just said, get rid of the fat. You know, if you don't want to be fat, don't eat fat. So you take, get rid of the fat, it has no taste, so you have to put sugar into it. So I consumed low-fat food that had a lot of sugar in it, and most Americans consumed low-fat food and bulked up on sugar and throughout the 80s and the 90s, despite the fact that everybody was joining health clubs and working out and running, they kept gaining weight and nobody could figure it out. And what they discovered was that by removing fat and replacing fat with sugar, it makes you obese, it makes you dead inside. Now remember, when you're blaming this on the sugar lobby, it really is one family. It's not like some gigantic industry with lots and lots and lots of people We're talking about one family, F-A-N-J-U-L, Van Yule. That family is the ones that we're talking about. And they are having this profound effect on the health of this country, and they are enabled by the politicians who they're providing. Namely, right now, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, Marco Rubio, Mario Diaz-Balart, and Iliana Watlettenen, these four South Florida politicians. And they bribed the scientific community. They bribed scientists into suppressing studies that show that sugar makes you fat and that fat doesn't make you fat. What they do is they pay scientists, so-called, a lot of money to look at it from a different perspective and to be able to cast doubt on it in the same way that the tobacco lobby once did, where they had some Americans believing that tobacco was healthy for you, that if you smoked tobacco, you would live longer. People actually thought that, and that was because the sugar, I'm sorry, the tobacco industry was able to have their own in-pocket scientists to say that the same way that, for example, the oil companies are trying to cast doubt on the fact that there's such a thing as climate change influenced by man's activities on Earth. And they are doing their best to persuade, and they have persuaded the whole political party, the Republicans, of that. We're going to get to WikiLeaks. What are we going to do? Yeah, I just want to mention there's a movie called Fed Up that Katie Couric narrated and produced with Larry David's ex-wife, Lori David. It's about sugar. It's about the subject. And one of the interesting areas that they discussed was during the 80s and the 90s, we were told to get rid of fat. So the dairy industry started making non-fat milk in bulk. And everything was, get rid of the fat, get rid of the fat, get rid of the fat. Well, what do you do when you get rid of the fat? You have cheese. You have these vats of cheese left when you get rid of fat. So the dairy industry was left with cheese. And all of a sudden, according to this movie Fed Up, pizza took off. I mean, when I was younger in the 70s and the 60s, pizza was okay. Occasionally you would have a slice of pizza. Where are you from? From New York, New Jersey. I am too. We ate pizza all the time. Not the way people are eating pizza now, according to the movie Fed Up. Really? Yeah. There became an epidemic of pizza in America, double cheese pizza, because the dairy industry was getting rid of fat from all the products, from the dairy products, and making cheese. So they had to push cheese on the American people. And that's what fueled the pizza craze in America with double cheese, more cheese, cheese topping. That's from the movie. You made me hungry. I know, me too, I'm starving. By the way, I've given up sugar. I've had sugar in two months. And I think I've lost a little weight. Okay, speaking of people who don't lose weight, Donald Trump, this is the first time... It's interesting that you should start off that way. Speaking of people who don't lose weight. Because Donald Trump does lose weight. I want to tell you a story. Okay. This is kind of a long... I want to say it right to not put your listeners to bed here. But a friend of mine works in the, let's call it the plastic surgery industry. And his company buys practices, your plastic surgery practices. And one of the practices that they bought was Mark Foley's husband. I don't think they call it a husband, but it was Mark Foley's boyfriend. Remind everybody who Mark Foley is. Mark Foley was a congressman from Florida, a Republican congressman who was gay, who got caught having sex with teenage pages, underage boys. He never admitted that he did that. He said he just sent some nasty little or naughty little emails. But he has admitted to me that he did do that. He and I sat down and had dinner together. And he admitted that he was sleeping with these boys. He said he'd never slept with any that were underage because he would take them from state to state. So depending on how old they were, he wouldn't screw them unless he was in Virginia or West Virginia or Maryland depending on how old they were because each of those states has a different age of consent. So that's what he told me. But I spoke to a boy who told me that Foley had sex with him here in California when he was 16 and in the age of consent he was 18. So Foley was lying. But hang on for one second. He violated the Man Boy Act, I believe. Now, he was a Republican congressman. This was in 2004, I believe, or 2006. It was a very long time. 2006 was when this whole thing exploded. Because of him. He resigned. He resigned and there was an epidemic of child molesters and gay predators in the Republican Party. And because of that, many say the Republicans lost the house. My question is Dennis Hastert was the speaker at that time. Why? He was a wrestling coach. How come he didn't put his fist down and stop that? Oh, right. I forgot. Dennis Hastert was also guilty of that. Did everybody know that? He was guilty of having sex with the Pages. I don't know that. But he was having sex with young boys at the same time. Did Tom DeLay really? He's in jail now. Right. Tom DeLay was the brains, for lack of a better word, of the Republican House back then. Did he know Dennis Hastert? Everybody knew that Dennis Hastert was up to that. So that's why he was made speaker, right? Because he could be controlled. He had a secret. Right? And he, for a very long time, he protected Foley. Foley was also an alcoholic and he wanted to get out and they would convince him don't get out because they were nervous that they would lose that seat if he left. So they persuaded him to stay in the house. Even when he realized that it was a dangerous thing for everybody concerned. I mean, he's a smart guy. He knew that he couldn't control himself. He would get drunk and go looking for boys in the page dormitory, which is absolutely forbidden. So it was a real political party at the time. But we're so off the topic. I know, but I just want to make a larger point and then we'll get back to it. The point I want to get to is Dennis Hastert was Speaker of the House. He was the Republican Speaker of the House. It's the most powerful position in Washington, D.C. You control the purse strings, right? But he wasn't, he had zero power because he was a child molester and Tom DeLay knew that he was a child molester. So he was just a puppet. He could be controlled. They wanted a very weak, vulnerable guy with a secret, a dirty, dark secret to look like he was running the house when, in fact, he was a Synecure, right? I don't know if Synecure is the right word, but what you're getting at is the right word. Is the right thing. Mark Foley, back to Mark Foley. Yes. So Foley's significant other, it was, he died recently, the plastic surgeon to the stars. He was not just some random plastic surgeon. He was big time. His people would come from wealthy, wealthy people. He would come from all over the world because he didn't make people look like these messes that you see sometimes with women who have lips that go from their nose to their chin and people with all sorts of deformities. He was an artist. And he happens to be, he's in Palm Beach, or he was in Palm Beach. And he was Trump's cosmetic surgeon. And so anyway, when my friend's company bought his practice, my friend happened to stumble upon Trump's records. And he explained to me some of the procedures that Trump was getting there, which included something that I'd never heard of called the Venus Freeze, that Trump was getting that to control his weight. He also was getting Botox every eight months, et cetera. So in any case... I heard, is it true that they... No, because you started talking, you suddenly started talking about Trump and fat and that triggered, that triggered that thought in me about how Trump is a big fat obese guy who eats horribly just into fast food. And he controls that artificially by getting this Venus Freeze and getting these various kinds, lots and lots of different procedures to help him look more presentable and younger. I heard they take fat from his ass and inject it into his brain. Was that in the file? If it wasn't in the file, my friend didn't mention it to me. Okay. And yet, Newt Gingrich, who's fat, morbidly obese, and Donald Trump, who's morbidly obese, make fun of women for being fat, talk about the kettle calling... talk about the pot calling the kettle the N-word. Anyway... Right. Well, I mean, I've always thought that when it comes to Donald Trump, the main dynamic of his psychology that comes through the clearest is projection. So, in other words, anything that he's thinking about himself, he accuses his rivals of those things, when he would call, you know, Cruz lying Ted. There's no one who's... I mean, yes, maybe Cruz is a liar, but there's no one that comes close to being as much a liar as Donald Trump ever. I mean, he's the biggest liar that American politics has ever seen. And you can count on it with anything that comes out of his mouth as being a liar. Who do you hate more, Romney or Trump? Romney or Trump? Yeah. I don't hate Romney. Okay. Do you hate Trump? Do I hate Trump? Not really. I hate what I see him doing to the country. That I hate. Isn't he boiling off the wretched refuse, the deplorables from the Republican Party? Is he boiling them off? I don't know what you mean by boiling them off. He's making the whole thing worse. Well, he's kind of like exposing the worst of the worst. They're all very heavily armed. The deplorables we're talking about. I mean, today, the sheriff of Milwaukee County, for example, was intimating that after the election is stolen by Hillary, we're going to have to do something about it. And the information was revolution. This is the sheriff of a huge important county. So, you know, and guess what? The police unions have all endorsed Trump. So it's pretty scary when you think about it that the country is in some real problem right there. I kind of mean this because I'm living in the safety of Manhattan. So I'm saying this because I like to think I'm not vulnerable. But isn't this good? We know where they are now. We know who they are. The Wackos are. Yeah, but the Wackos have every such shooting. You know, they got them in Suffolk County as well. No, it's not good. And the last thing we need is any kind of a civil war. And when you listen to Trump, it sounds like he's trying to gin that up a little bit. These people that he talks to, these are people whose brains are defective from listening to hate talk radio and Fox News for decades, commuting in their cars in the morning and getting all wild up and filled with hatred and insanity. You know, half the people in the country, by definition, have two digit IQs. And half the people have three digit IQs. And someone who's got like, you know, 100 IQ or 110 IQ is nine sign. But someone who's got an 80 IQ, it doesn't have the capacity to understand abstracts. So Trump's followers, not all of Trump's followers, but many of Trump's followers are very stupid brainwashed people. Sorry to say it. So not just ignorant, but actually stupid. But they can shoot. They have guns. Do you? I bet you don't have a gun. I don't want anybody to know the answer to that question. Okay, we're fine. But I'll still bet it. In any case, the last thing we need is a civil war. The last thing we need is someone to say, let's hunt down all the intolerables and do something to them. I mean, I was frightened the other day listening to Keith Oberman talking about they should all be made to go back to second grade and start over again. What do you mean back? Forward to second grade. The point is, you can't force anybody to do anything. You can't force them back to go to second grade. It would be great if they did it voluntarily, but they're not going to. Yeah, it's pretty... I don't know. I don't know. There's a part of me that gets terrified. I kind of think he's not going to win. I'm almost convinced he's not going to win. There's a part of me that thinks he's doing this country a favor by... You've got to hit rock bottom. And maybe there's further to drop. I mean, I'd like to think... I saw the New York Times. The New York Times did a little ten-minute documentary where they went to the Eric Erickson's organization, Red State Convention. You know, Eric Erickson, the right wing. And these are conservatives who have abandoned Trump. It's Glenn Beck, Eric Erickson, and some other less famous conservatives. All of them are on the verge of tears. All of them are at least claiming to be introspective, wondering what caused this. I mean, all of them are on the verge of tears talking about the death threats that they have received from Trump supporters for abandoning him. And they've looked into the abyss of their own soul, their own party, and claim they realize now that something is gravely wrong and they need to reach across the aisle and have conversations and start listening. I don't believe a word of it. I mean, I heard Glenn Beck talking this way and Eric Erickson talking this way. They are really scared. But you know what? The cliche, they created this Frankenstein. They did, but Eric Erickson's family has been threatened to the point where he now has 24-hour bodyguards because of his young children and his wife. But isn't Eric Erick... But isn't he... He needs to email. It's people, armed people coming to his house. But isn't he guilty of being a rabid conservative four years ago? He is no moderate, right? That's right. He jinned up. He revved up. Glenn Beck. Well, yes, but they think that they don't think that Trump is part of their movement. They don't think Trump is being... He's not a conservative. He's Trump a conservative. But what I'm saying is, didn't they play to the... Didn't Glenn Beck and Eric Erickson play to the very same people Trump is appealing to using the same tactics, spreading the same lies? Yes. Yes. Stupid people. Why do they appeal to stupid people? So, I don't want anybody hurt, but doesn't Eric Erickson deserve what's happening to him? Shouldn't he be scared? Isn't this... No, he doesn't deserve it. He... No one deserves to have their family threatened. I mean, it's not... Like I said, he's not getting emails. They're going to... We're mad at you. We're going to hurt you. That's not what's happening. People with guns are coming to his home. They're telling his wife to kill her. He doesn't deserve that. No one does. Okay. Is he a big supporter of the NRA? I don't know for a fact that he is, but if I had a guess, I would say yes. Okay. I agree with you. I don't want anybody threatened and nobody's family threatened, but I do know that Glenn Beck and Eric Erickson, who are featured prominently in this New York Times 10-minute documentary, I remember them four years ago, and I remember how crass and angry they were and how, especially Glenn Beck, manipulating the truth and lying and calling Obama a racist who hates white people, you know, calling him a scumbag... Glenn Beck called President Obama a scumbag and really incited insurrection. You're right. You're right. Absolutely. So... They're bad people. They are bad people. And they let loose forces that they didn't... They think of themselves as, you know, constitutional conservatives. Their idea of a constitutional conservative is someone like Ted Cruz, and they didn't realize the strength of the id that they were uncovering was going to throw up or puke out Donald Trump, which is what happened. Right. They've been cuckolded by Donald Trump. Donald Trump is stuffing the stupid unwashed masses instead of them. And, you know, I have to say, in one year, Donald Trump destroyed two Bushes. Billy Bush and Jeb Bush. And if he doesn't get elected, I... I don't know. I think he's been a gift to this country. I think. I think. Are you voting for Jill Stein? Yes. You are. If I lived in Ohio or if I lived in Florida, if I lived in Iowa, I know that I would vote for Hillary Clinton. But I live in California. I'm voting for Jill Stein. That's a big statement for you, because in the past you said you were no longer voting for the lesser of two evils. I mean, you are voting for Jill Stein, but for you to say that if I lived in Ohio or Florida... Yes. Because it's beyond lesser of two evils at this point, he's such a greater evil that it's beyond evil. He's an existential threat to the United States. And when did you decide that? Over the course of the last couple of months. Okay. Before you go, you always have the information before anybody else does. When are we going to have a woman come forward and say she was raped by Donald Trump? Oh. Well, I don't have that information. And I don't know if it's going to happen. People are afraid of him. I mean, you know, there are... Now there are nine women that have come forward. One of whom is leaving the country with her family because of the level of threats. But the nine women represent a tiny tip of the iceberg of the numbers of women who have gone and said that they won't come forward and identify themselves and have gone to the media. Some of these reporters are saying they've spoken... You know, they get one woman who's willing to come forward and they've had a dozen women who will talk to them off the record, but they won't give their names. Has he raped anybody? Okay. I'm going to ask you. I don't know that for a fact. There's one woman who said that she was, I think, 15 and he raped her. And there's an ongoing suit which the judge has put off until December. The court case won't be until December. So there is a rape case already. Yeah. We're going to wrap it up. The other thing we need to remember is when you... I don't mean to equate Bob Dylan with Donald Trump, but we were talking about Bob Dylan at the beginning. You cannot project... You talked about projection earlier. Your own goodness or your own lifestyle onto other people. In other words, you cannot even begin to imagine the way Bob Dylan lives. It's the... And you cannot project or imagine the way Donald Trump lives or the way he thinks. They are... They're not human. Donald Trump is not a human being. And he doesn't think like a normal human being because he's not a human being. David, David, he is a human being. I don't like him. I probably don't like him when you don't like him, but he's a human being. But what do you say? You know the Woody Guthrie song that was recently discovered about the apartment complex that his father had and where they would... If black people or Puerto Rican people would come to rent, they would put a C for colored on the application so they wouldn't rent to them. I thought it was classified. You Guthrie wrote a song about it in the day. Well, my first girlfriend lived in that neighborhood as well and the Trumps were very, very well known in that neighborhood. I was just a kid. I was really... I was not even a teenager and I knew of the Trump family. And so I do feel like... I do feel like I... that I know them in a way and they're not as distant as you would expect, you know, some like billionaires to be. They were much more sort of down to earth. I'm not saying anything good about them. I'm not complimenting them in any way right now but I'm telling you that my impression is that they weren't this high and mighty thing the way... I'll bet that Baron Trump is, the 10-year-old kid. Now, he's being raised. He's got somebody who dresses him and he's got a second... He's 10 years old. He's got a secretary. He's got a whole staff of his own and his own quite large apartment on his own with his staff. So what you're describing, that would fit Baron... I don't think it fits Donald Trump. I think Donald Trump is a fat slob from Brooklyn and Queens who, you know, eats shitty food and has a lot of the same kind of way of looking at life as a lot of other people that we know do. Who are from that time and that place. I don't think... You know, he's extremely cheap. I mean, Donald Trump... He reminds me a lot of one of... I don't want to name who it is, but one of my old bosses who's also fabulously rich but I literally saw him fighting a bomb in the street over a dime that he dropped. He was rolling around on the street. This is a guy that's got tens of millions of dollars and he dropped a dime and the bomb grabbed a dime and my former boss jumped on him and started fighting him. That's the kind of guy that Donald Trump is as well. You know what makes me really happy, Howie? You are a brilliant man, a great writer, a progressive, a liberal. You're politically correct, but you still call them bums. I know, when I said that, I was thinking, oops, I shouldn't have said that. I shouldn't have thought that. That's a horrible thing too. A horrible way to talk about another human being. Actually, as it was coming out of my mouth, I was thinking the same thing. We all, you know, all of us are guilty of something. But you weren't caught on tape talking about grabbing a woman's pee. Are you not allowed to say that on the station? No, not on the station. That's funny because they, at MSNBC, they weren't saying it for the whole week, the whole first week, no one was allowed to say the word. And then all of a sudden they just gave up and now everyone is saying it. Yeah, it's like during the Clinton impeachment, we finally got to say blowjob. You weren't allowed to say blowjob. And you're not allowed to say it anymore, apparently. We have Donald Trump just coarsening the discourse of the entire country. Yeah. Well, okay. This is the first time we started the interview without you going, I don't want to talk about Donald Trump. Howie Klein is the founder and treasurer of the Blue America PAC. Go to it and if you give money, that money will be given to progressive candidates around the country. He's also author of the Dan with tyranny blog, which you should all read every day. And I look forward to talking to you again, sir. Me too. When I'm not on for a few weeks, I get all these complaints that say it's like my fault. Yeah, I know. It's my fault. It's my fault. Yeah, but you listen to this thing, it's my fault and they yell at me. Okay. Well, we'll talk to you next week. All right, bye-bye, David. Thank you. That's our show. Howie Klein, as always, for stopping by and make sure to go to Dan with tyranny. You read him every day. He knows everything. From me on Facebook, follow me on Twitter. Do all your Amazon shopping via the David Feldman Show website. Go to DavidFeldmanShow.com. You'll see an Amazon banner. Click on it. It doesn't cost you more to shop on Amazon. Support our sponsors. Give us a good review on iTunes. It helps. And I answer all my emails from the show Briss Studios and downtown Manhattan. That'll do it for us. I'm going to tell you about a podcast that I listen to. Two of my friends host it and I think you should listen to it. 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