 Welcome back to the breakfast on Plasti via Africa. We'll take you through the front pages of a national dailies and bring you up to speed What's making the rounds and we have G.D. Johnson and standby who will join the conversation I like to set up with the daily independent newspaper this morning and let's look at the board caption On the daily independent fear envelopes anambra as guba pole holds tomorrow That's the board caption and you can actually tell that this will be dominating all of the headlines Secure our people Southeast governors tell security agencies Don't panic over influx of influx of buses full of passengers That's what government is saying. Inaq begins distribution of sensitive materials all of this you find on the front page of the daily independent Invasion of justice or delize residents and be a frowns and rejects federal government's denial Insist on unmasking and prosecution of those who directed the raid all of that and page for You also find the governor of Lagos state some will do inaugurates tribunal to probe eco you building collapse Declares three days morning and flags to fly at half mast body of focus home MD recovered that's also on page two and So you're looking at the front page of the daily independent newspaper another both caption here says Nass tackles a Meiji over 1.3 billion dollars canoe Maradi rail projects lawmakers insist federal government marginalizing southeast and south south all of that you also find on the daily independent newspaper this morning and Southeast in security no longer making of iPop. That's what regions Governors could have to say the governor's are saying. Oh, yes. It's not just iPop, but some element already taking advantage of it and Tagging iPop for all of the mayhem they're coursing Unia budget lecturers boycott classes over abducted colleagues and as who gives 48 hours to security agencies to rescue abductees that's on page seven iPop cancels once Weeks sit at home or there. That's also in page seven deaths cancellation not channeled appropriately That's what the president is quoted to say and just before we move away We obsolete equipment hampering power transmission the minister is also saying that in page two of the daily independent newspaper If you pick up a copy, I'm sure you get all of the details on the nation newspapers Body of collapse Lagos building owner retrieved Deftal rises to 33 families register 19 missing persons Also, Konkwa soludo Uba Uzibo pledge peaceful Anambra poll We can also find here court orders the FCC to pay man five million Nair for declaring him wanted Still on the nation Anambra 2021 IPOB we didn't order one week sit at home NBC wants a gang scary broadcast and INEC begins distribution of sensitive materials APC orders warring or your groups to reconcile and also 360,000 download E Naira's speed wallet app a few others this morning 5g operators reject $1.97 million spectrum fee those are the big ones on the nation newspapers this morning All right away from the nation newspaper Let's check out the leadership newspaper and at the boat caption read finance ministry budgets 130.5 billion Naira for special interventions in 2022 That's a board caption quite different from what you have on All the papers you also have as workers ministry allocate 2.3 billion Naira for construction of classrooms CSO's raised concern over Votes for non-specific projects and infrastructure. That's also the rider underneath the boat caption Unia Buja attack where traumatized can't go to class. That's what ASU is saying Anambra poll please ban Vehicular movement I pop cancel sit at home author that's also on page for and Technocrats to shut down labs reset center over 22 billion Naira and allowance At a time where covert, you know 19 is a problem globally and also in Nigeria Body of Lagos collapse building owner Femio Shiba no Recovered that's also on page one of the leadership. That's the much we can take on the leadership newspaper this morning And also the daily trust. I regret giving birth to Shakao Says his mother It was stubborn district head says Also on the daily trust OPEC raises Nigeria's oil production bar to 1.666 million boroughs per day and also Iqoi building collapse owner's body recovered three days after MTN group to sell 575 million shares to Nigerian investors COVID-19 PSC health ministry clash over 1.2 billion Naira treatment fund and Andrians trapped in net of bad governance and insecurity says a tico abu Baka a number of governorship IPOB back tracks acts residents to vote Councils sit at home order Good morning, Ginny Johnson. Thanks for joining us All right, I want us to start with the Anambra elections and the IPOB's sit at home I'm mentioning this because it's not the first time that this has happened last time that they were general elections in Anambra The IPOB had the same approach with which they declare sit at home declare no elections You know say no to voting and whatnot and then 48 hours to the election They then give a go-ahead for people to vote The reason I mentioned this because I've seen people put out the narrative that this seems to be done on purpose To dissuade people from getting registered for the election in the first place getting their PVC's and whatnot And then eventually, you know, they now say okay Go ahead and vote when they already know for data also the election that nobody, you know would be registered to vote Or nobody be interested in the in the electoral process So let me get your view of this story that says IPOB Councils sit at home That's voter suppression. That's voter suppression strategy. And it's not happened between an Anambra study which had been voters turned out for the last election in 2017 it was It was just 22% of the registered voters. So 22% it was actually determined Who was the governor of an Anambra state and the situation whereby you have to be students who score 22% Are you going to predict the student has been successful has been a failure? And that's why you have had leadership failure in Nigeria because the voters turn out is not always impressive And that's not the intention and the idea behind those that came up with representative democracy at least you expect to get About 50 60% threshold in terms of what does the voters turn out and in that process like you pointed out We it might it might be to have one political party or the other and the process in this way from going on to vote Couple the fact that we have already took fear fear in the minds of the people and The election that is also characterized by immediate siege mentality Apart from the confusion that I pop has created if you see the way we mobilize security agencies 33,000 policemen 18 police commissioner to DIGs plus the military plus You see to all that you know stop those that want to commit the ferrous activities of voters intimidation of vote buying of Bala bus matching to still not committed you will not be able to reconcile the outcome The actual election taking place and the security agencies that were deployed to address this issue I think we need to address all of this element and those that are The characters the non-state actors in I pop she understand that they are not helping the citizens of Anambra states They are not helping the citizens of the south is when they come up with Sit at home or that which stifled the economic will be not you see time is in me It's a combative resource that God has given to every man to everybody Whether you are poor you are rich and it's how you deploy that time that determines how successful That determine your will be let me just see that So if if if you order sit at home for people that are met that are engaged in commercial activity We have destroyed their life We have taken in means of their livelihood and whoever is advising I come in so advise them that whatever strategy They are adopting to promote the agitation and destructive strategy strategy that are not only destroying the people Is destroying the community is destroying the southeast and is also destroying the perception that The generality of Nigerians have concerning concerning their their their goals and their aspiration and the reason why The agitation and as a result of that perception and perception is stronger than reality so Invulably the eyes that people will see I pop would be in in negative in negative light We are so happy that eventually people will go out to exercise their mandate tomorrow to vote for the governor That they want to to be to be to be to be their governor if you if if if you take The voter stoner generally in Niger it has always been poor now. We had this easy to eat It would definitely be poor and then it would be the government of minority I have all I've always defined democracy as the government of the minority packet treated by the stupidity of the majority Who refused to go out and vote on the day of the election in 2019 only less than 60 million people voted for the president so 60 million Nigerians Imposed their will or not because majority of us refused to go out and vote in a kitty state in ocean state You have situation whereby people that voted for the governor in In in in a kitty state, for example, they are not up to they are not up to 250,000 So 250,000 will determine what happens in the state So we need to look at ways of Doing voters education voters mobilization and ensuring that people actually participate in democracy the majority The political class is their style and their strategy The due voter suppression because the new people come out to vote It's easier to leak an election where you didn't have to come out to vote And that's and that's the goal of all of this voters suppression strategy And we're happy that election will be taken place And it's hard. I want to link that to to a story Another story where the governor south is insecurity no longer making up high power That's what the region governor saying that south is security And I recall sharing this with some colleague. I remember some of my colleagues friends Um went for the nud conference on maya and they came back giving the report that oh Well, we met over 50 Checkpoints and then you are at points you actually to disembark from the car You walk a distance before you enter the car The buses and the cars will be checked and then you wonder if you have 50 third points The people fermenting trouble in inu fermenting trouble in nanambrak fermenting trouble in the south is How do they travel to get to these places? Are they spirit? Are they human being? Are people making money out of the security issues and security challenges that we are having in in this country? Because you you see that people will just come and they will set up police police stations They will attack formations. They will attack communities and you wonder what is the level of Intelligence gathering and what is the what is the response? The response of the security agencies that we have are people Making money out of the misfortunes of nigeria in order to justify The resources that are located to to security foods and more resources that are spent on security Is becoming clearer and clearer by the day and I recall somebody giving a report Concerning going to an umbrella and say that you know what an umbrella is under siege You can't go out. There are a lot of roadblocks and the rest of it And then some people will still carry gun and attack different places. Are they spirit? Are they are they spirit that can be seen or they are dropping from heaven or hell Of the pit of earth that people can can see them and the governments are coming to see this They should provide us with this enough of enough of grandstanding In all of enough of political statement We should be bold enough to To to to identify and to name and shame must have a name and shame strategy To name and shame people that are trying to foment trouble in this country until we do that We will not have them. All right. I have any meaningful development I want to link this story with the nurse. I just give me this opportunity With nasta playing amici over 1.3 billion Canum and adi rain project and the south east and the south south lawmakers protesting. I did I did just waking up now What's the essence now the not maker I meant they have they have they have the power over the post It is the money that the legislature approves that it approfits that the executive can spend Now what are the lawmakers we doing? I ask this question. What is the significance? What is the economic importance of constructing? What is the trade? Uh, uh, the trade significance what contribution would a railway project from from kanu to marathi due to nitrogen economy compared to a real project for example from calabar to lego's from Calabar to abuja from product called to abuja from product called to lego's or from from makodi Benway state which happens to be the food basket of the nation now to lego's what what what what significance would that have done That we have to waste resources to construct great projects for for the theories that question and and they are not playing to the gallery See you south east marginalized. They are not serious. They don't know what they are elected To to to do in the first instance and even the minister of transport is from the south Is on the south east and when election comes around all of this gives you will come into into into into focus Okay, let's also Get your thoughts on the fact that the lego state governor Has inaugurated a tribunal to probe the koi building collapse. That's by the back and forth with yes It was approved. No, it was 15 and then it was 21 And the fact that we have lost what do you think anything would you know positive would come out of you know that What has happened to the answers panel the answers panel you set up in Nigeria when you set up a panel you set a tribunal panel of inquiry and the rest of it What what happens to it? You know before we came on here you guys were talking about how the search and rescue Um Effort stop because the The builder Body was was was recovered. You see the The challenge you have in this country. We have a major approach When uh, if you see when you have you come to whereby you have people don't have respect for their laws You have big manism the situation whereby you have big manism when you give civil summons responsibility To come to carry out their responsibility And then you give order from the thought that if you allow those people to go to release I saw I saw a clip on on on on on the on the tv station online tv station Where a report was given where this character was arrested and then he was released the same day He was resisting arrest and he was released the same day because there was an order obviously for another from from from from above It is a country that has no no respect Is would that be the only building the building that collapse in legal style and we have a series of building collapse in legal style Would would you? Responsibility the gas leakage that upon inability one ability would do a what's the name of that ability I have executed that we lost we lost many lives Uh many lives were lost and then the governor of legal stick two pictures to the president in a project to shame the pictures What has happened to it? You see government must allow We must operate under the principle of rule of law and the rule of law principle talks about equality before the law Supremacy of the constitution fundamental human rights. The law is not a specter of anybody That's why the insignia of the law of the justice is a virgin that is blinded and is holding a scale Is holding a scale so it's blind to your emotions Is blind to your feelings if you come before me, you know, it's a scale is you are treated equal And it is the person that has The right evidence that the judgment will tilt to its side. So we must have those basic those those basic principle Why would that building collapse what led to that building collapse? Then if you take the structure if we why we grew up High rising building were not built around the coin The the map of structures we are seeing there, but there are these type of structures we have in the 60s Why did the type of structures we have in the 70s? Why did these type of structures you have in the 80s? Now the same thing is happening in the kajah gary is happening in kajah gary If you go to the kajah gary, there are a lot of skyscrapers that have just came out of nowhere And the only kajah gary that happens to be a government residential area has turned to a commercial hub The ikuyu was not designed to be a commercial hub. It was designed to be a residential area What has happened to government plan over the years and it is these people that are setting up the panel It is their friends that cheat and king that breaks the law They are the untouchable and they will set up a panel and then at the end of the day Someone said if you don't want to get the result of anything just set up a panel that the So that the panel will look at it. You want that collapse in In in in in Likosa land and various places and they have built this now There are challenges what has government done? Even if you look at government project itself If you look at the roads that government construct, what is the when you look at The I've said it some of the projects that are government do they are debt traps a lot of them have Blood on their head if you look at when they are constructing roads They are constructing roads. They are constructing the really drainage. All you need to do is you ask yourself the question Who is the supervising engineer supervising this project? And if you ask question you'll raise question or selling this they will call you a troublemaker They will call you this they will name you they will give you different different types of just go and look at even government projects government projects In terms of road construction and you look at the number of inches that the asphalt will be Some places you have three inches inside of nine ten inches and government will now set up Set up one one propane to prove who will be the outcome of it is a diversionary practice Is it is it you know It's protected because the way you people express it while you are before we came on set for this particular segment of this product is it's what is the value of an average Nigerian life What's the value? You know many do you know many tankers on a tiddler beach on your way to beggar? You know many tankers Have they prosecuted those tankers that fail and they take people ablaze and what has government done concerning You ask them go and look at the type of buses they used to carry people in Nigeria and you see you will see last man Do we see you will see vio? You will see federal safety. They will not stop those located buses And they will stop people driving their their private cars. I ask you and i'm challenging the governor I'm challenging him. I'm challenging them one of them Go and look at the buses that apply legal should and those buses in fit to carry human beings until we have a disaster That's why they react we have a reactionary government that they react to issues rather than rather than ensure that Safety of people lives and property and comply with And they will make political statements and we do in our industry We gloss over it and they will move on our emotion When this is your problem and spoken about this when jack on day When jack on day was the governor, but that only was the government. That's why you have buses being painted yellow Buses that were used to carry people in because one need buses Now that's when they took those small small buses. Why I was one they calling the kuma gulu Those small small small small buses they use and all of a sudden before you know it those buses have littered the entire leaders Do not fit to hurry people in 1979 That can be ensured that those buses were taken away 1979 and here we are in 2021 you have those buses littering all of the girls and those buses you carry It's a and then you wonder who are proof who is the me who is the commissioner for transport To be in place who is the commissioner for houses that prove that nonsense Who are those that are proving the type of structures we have been equally is that the original plan for equally? Does the topography of Can it cope with some of structures we are putting in place and then you set up stupid money you waste lives And properties you waste the life and destroy the lives Of people and then you said you are setting up Judy johnson does this also make you two things I want to ask Um, the first one is you know does this also make you wonder um how much Worst this could have been if this building was completed and fully inhabited with families and businesses and and hundreds of people Before this disaster happened. That's one and then second is um, one of the things I was talking about earlier We don't we don't seem to be questioning the standard operating procedure for set and rescue in Nigeria any disaster like this There's there doesn't seem to be anybody asking questions as to whether these you know the people carrying out the section rescue actually doing the right thing Um or carrying out a proper job Our reporter mentioned that yesterday after you know the developer's body was found work stopped for 30 minutes 45 minutes One hour should not even sure but they stopped work because of the commotion around finding femio shibona's body Um, nobody seems to be asking questions with regards the sop for set and rescue Well, it's because if you have family members that you should sue the government You sue the government you sue the agencies of government you sue everybody And then the government will have cost to pay conversation And it's because we don't sue our government and we don't make government and We don't make government to pay compensation for the like for example if there is someone Who's family member Have got trapped in that building and they lost his ally and he sued the government for two billionaires And he approached the court and that's why we are saying that the courts needs to help the growth Of democracy the sustenance of good governance in in Nigeria You sue the state for two billion and the state will have to cough out two billion out of Out of his cash resources to pay those families to pay the views of the responsibility In the irresponsibility of government that is meant to protect them then I can assure you that Um That we see government doing the decisions like you pointed out thank god that Families have not occupied that building what do I mean? It will have been well after after one week after one week. I can tell yourself The to just be business as we move on we move on with the gas leakage that killed many people Somewhere in a bully. I can't remember the name of that to us Towards them, but I do add since a mode of in and that acts we moved on we moved on with those that got arrested on on leakers, but on expressway between alouser and and beggar that are there a lot of it We keep moving on we moved on with so even if people have inhabited that building and collapsed There's no value for an average Nigerian life. That's the truth. There's no value What value do you place on an average Nigerian? That's what I'm talking that's what I'm talking about to you about it We need to go and visit some schools. You need to go and visit some schools I can tell you I on authoritatively in 20 in 29 in 2018 It could be collapsed. It was not reported. It collapsed in late August It collapsed was not was it was it was it was it was not reported. We have situations where students are sitting on tire It was those issues All you need to do is just to go visit all of these things You can even public building itself if you see the secretary or some local government when they are building new structures in their secretary All you just need to look at it is to look at this is a distance start waiting to happen A society that has no respect for its law Laws are basic principles and if you have respect for principles principles are no respect of any man You get the consequence of your actions or your inactions That's that's just it. But imagine if this had happened You know earth will have roll people will have resigned and then Some people have been arrested because this is this is this is homicide All the people that if a song will have lost their license to practice They will have lost their license to practice Because their license do practice It's it's it's it's sad. It's sad. It's it's it's it's it's it's sad Like a messy need a lot of messy on us in Nigeria. That's just need a lot of messy Just a messy messy on us because you know, it's it's painful and The fact that this has happened doesn't mean it's not going to happen again In Nigeria, we pray and pray and who cannot prevent this Because it's it's just a basic principle of life What you see you will read if you if you build nonsense and even the The word of God given illustration about building buildings Somehow build this house on sand on this on the sandy foundation It's a when the storm came and everything came it washed it away Those coastal lines are they prepared are they equipped? For building those structures. Is that the original template for equity? All right, let's quickly see if you can show your thoughts on that Yeah, all right. Let's quickly see if we can show your thoughts on this headline on the daily independent newspaper It talks about the invasion of justice or delis residents and the fact that the MBA is frowning at You know, government's action government's denial and involvement and they're asking that those who raid at the house Should be arrested and should be prosecuted No, they are still it's they came from nowhere Um, you are easy. It's it's unfortunate that it usually has not asset itself as an any planet among government What what happens to one happens to all and I'm listening to to different comments from different people And people tend to politicize issue And we have seen a pattern a pattern of Of unpristine tactics and This MBA should not have foundation of court for the resignation of the attorney general The houses of justice is not the first time that the houses of justice of effect of Of of the supreme court have been have been invaded under Malami As the attorney general We have a situation whereby a seat was also in the house of Of the uniformity justice of tradition. This is not democracy. This is not suppression of power This is sacrilegious is unbelievable either could be done for a justice of the supreme court You can imagine what can be done to an up to just an And a citizen of the country. You don't treat your citizen even a citizen the way these things are Have been done. Nobody's asking questions as long as who is to check this. I ask people this Do you know how this court system work? one One justice cannot One justice cannot take a decision alone. The supreme court works on the basis of consensus Consensus of opinion among majority. So you have a situation whereby five seven or nine Justices will sit on a particular case and then if you are alleging that one is corrupt Is it possible for one judge justice to be corrupt and others not to be corrupt? Then is it possible that justices from the southern part Of nigeria are the justices that are corrupt the justices from the northern part of nigeria and not corrupt You see you begin to ask you begin to ask this question that what is really going on even under military regime We never are the disbarred and the nba is frowning. They are not serious They are not serious They should have called for the resignation of the attorney general of the federation Because under his watch That's the chief law officer of the federation to maintain the law and the chief law officer of the federation should not be the chief law breaker and that's why people have said the office of the minister of justice and that of the attorney general of the federation should be separated in america you know the vote for the attorney general The vote in the state is at the is at the federal level That the president appoints and the woman the president appoints that office is insulated from all forms of politics, but here we have whereby we have the Even the attorney general has made statement that as a religious that the nba she'll have asked The first thing that happened was the body of son to go and visit the attorney general And then that happened earlier this week to go and visit visit who they should call for his resignation Can you imagine if she can if I ever were to be alive? Just imagine If you can if I I mean were to be were to be alive at this particular point in time in history for such a time As as as this so that's that is this unfortunate. It's unfortunate that we have got it to where we have got it If they could do it to The justice of the supreme court. Oh, they do too much to court Judges, what would they do to judge the icon? Do we know the kind of Unquisting tactics that have been deployed Against this This the people that are meant to upset the temple the temple of the temple of justice and that's Where we have found the found access we have found ourselves in such a situation that bandits will go to university of abudan And they will kidnap That's the seat of government Where you have all the paraphernalia of our security apparatus But it's easier for for efcc or for agents of the states to go after It could also cure abudan, but they could go and invade the house of a justice and not a single person Has been identified and not a single Action has been taken as to regards the consequences of that illegal action By by by by agencies by agencies of the states But what do we know when someone when someone will invade the national assembly and steal the miss And then they did you have not identified the people that stole the miss in the national assembly And then the perpetrators of that we rewarded them with the principal of the society So it's the society that rewards criminals it is the society that rewards criminals and then and then and then We we we punish We punish we punish and people that that will be will be will be the law it's um Mind boggling Even if that's the word uh that's used and there's just some things You see you could see It's the you know you look at it. You can see that you could see Nigerian Nigerian trap in the network bad governance. I actually this question in relation is not coming. What does article 2? What does kwankwa should do? What policy alternative do they provide? Which conversation or engagement did they get into? Which statement do they release to address issues? They have trapped in in both they have to end the It is you know, you know, you know, you know, you know the more you just look at its characters and players And you just wonder and why are we unfortunate to have found ourselves with this set of this set of Talatans providing themselves as political political leaders. They would just make them statement That that that and we should call them we should open accountable We should don't even give them if you didn't give but it's just show your back Um is the survival of the fittest everybody wants to everybody wants to survive So truth is truth is lost and truth is misplaced in the scheme of things Why would I say would have to wrap up here? Thank you, sir. I wish you a very I hope you are making a head That's all right. Thank you. Thank you for being part of the conversation this morning. Thanks very much Have a great weekend ahead All right. This is where we of course we wrap up of the press for today