 Welcome to the After Hours podcast, hosted by Harry Haas and James Friedlender, presented by My Investing Club. What's going on, guys? We're back with another episode of the After Hours podcast. Today we have John, who is a member of MIC. He's been a member for a little bit now, and we've all been chatting back and forth for a while, so we're glad to finally get him on. So thank you for coming on, Mavin. Oh, man, thank you guys so much for the opportunity. Come on. Really appreciate it. Of course, dude. Of course, we're glad to have you. So in classic form, we'll start off. If you could tell us a little bit about yourself, your background, how you got into trading, and then how you kind of eventually found MIC. Cool. So my background is I got an entrepreneurial background. I first started in the online space of getting into affiliate marketing. I really wanted to build my own business, do something for myself. So back in 2017, or 2016, I should say, really kind of I just started looking at different opportunities, different things to do. And I did kind of well in that, but it just didn't give me the traction. It just didn't give me what I wanted to do. And then crypto became really big in 2017. And I remember I was buying Bitcoin at like $1,500, which is like, I know right now I'm just sitting, I don't own any of it. So I'm sitting here like, wow. But I started in 2017. I started getting into more of the crypto. And then because I had the marketing background, which I was already doing for a couple of years, my buddy hooked me up with somebody that was, which I didn't know at the time, but the company that he was running, he was creating his own coin. I thought it was, I thought this was it. I thought, man, this is going to make me retire. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to retire working with this guy. What I didn't know is that I was operating a back end of a pyramid scheme or a Ponzi scheme. Holy shit. So I mean, I had no idea until in the structure of the company was the coin is you buy the coin and then you reinvest it back into the business. They have somebody on the back end trading it and then they pay you a dividend. To me, that sounded great. I thought, wow, this is actually really good business model. What I didn't know is that he was going to pump up the coin and then sell off. And then we would never hear from him again. Jesus. Yeah, I know. So it was really bad. I mean, I got caught into it too because I really believed in his company, his dream. So how that launched me into my trading careers that I said, you know what, how do you do this without getting involved in stuff like this? Now, I didn't know at the time that there was actually pump and dumps in the stock market. So I really didn't have any market knowledge besides the crypto market. But it's what sparked my interest. So once I got done with that, it was, I want to say when all that happened is this is when Bitcoin tanked. This is beginning of 2018, end of 2017. So I did like what anybody else does. How do you make money online or with trading? And the first person that came up with Tim Sykes, his marketing hit me hard. I was getting pop-ups here, left, left and right. So I filled out the application for his challenge, wanted to see what it was about. And I made the jump. I had some money left from all my other ventures. So I thought, you know what, this is gonna, this is my next step. So I got involved with Tim Sykes program and I just, it was information overload, I should say. So I started off, I just hit the books, I started learning everything that I could. And that's when I actually realized what I was in, when I was with that crypto company. I really, he kind of taught me what a pump and dump was because that's what he teaches. So I got involved in that. But really the information was just like information overload. I didn't know where to go. I was like this guy by myself, I thought I was gonna have all the support. But for me, I was so determined that I just thought, I'm just gonna keep hammering all this information I'm just gonna do. But then when it came to actual trading, I had, I didn't know what to do. It was like, I had like paralysis when it came to actually clicking the button. Were you executing or are you just like nervous to even literally trade? So I, because I didn't really know the process. They didn't have a process, I should say. I mean, yeah, he had these steps of finding pump and dumps. But I mean, we all know this, it's a rarity when you actually get those huge, huge moves that they're looking for. So for me, I wasn't familiar with it, but I also had to put the time in. So I thought, let me just keep at this. And I wanted to bring this up because this is a great opportunity is that in, I believe it was August or September, MIC started and it was 2018. I want to say, you guys were running lifetime for 2,500, 3,000 for the beginning, for that initial start. And it was like a, and I kept hearing about IU investors underground. And I just heard a lot of people talk about IU. Well, because of MIC being so new, I just was like, you know, I'll go with IU, which honestly, I don't regret, but I do at the same time because I really wish I was a founding member. I really wish I was here for the beginning because I really think that my career in trading would have been way more accelerated than it has been. But I trust the journey and I'm here now. So, but yeah, I thought there was a funny story that I remember seeing that and I was like, you know what, am I gonna pay $2,000 for one year or should I pay 3,000 for a lifetime with these guys? And man, I wish I would. I don't even know. I forget what lifetime is now, but it's like when Tasha says we're into a good stock, I think it's like eight to 10K now or something. I know, which I'm building up for. I know, I don't even remember, but it's true. It's like, I mean, the cool thing about MIC is that there is such value like day to day. And I'm like you, I did try other communities. Like it was a very brief period, but like, I don't know. I tried them. I'm not gonna bash anyone. I mean, that's dead, whatever. But there was just, it was like night and day between the way that MIC operates as a community, even just like day to day talking to moderators. Like most places like you can't even talk to like the mods or like people who run it. Like they just ignore you, tell you to watch some like couple of year old video. And it's like, look, it's just like, unfortunately, like the market doesn't work like that. Like everything going on today, the stuff that Harry was longing yesterday or, you know, last month, two months ago and the stuff I was shorting, things have already changed. It just, that is what happens. So it's cool. So one quick before you, we keep going. You said you had an entrepreneurial background. Did you, do you have any family that's into like entrepreneurship or is that just were you the first? On the first. Yeah, so it's kind of like, yeah, breaking that cycle. You know, yeah, it was something new. You know, it just intrigued me to work for yourself, make you, yeah, do for your own. And it's just been great. I consider, I mean, I consider traders like entrepreneurs too. And, you know, I mean, obviously for anyone who knows me, like I have a business outside of trading. And it's like, I think being an entrepreneur, like I don't say this about myself because I don't feel that way. But it's just from what I recognize and like seeing other people doing what we do here or like operating a business or whatever. It takes a lot of like, I don't want to say balls but it kind of does. It just takes like a lot of like guts to really put yourself out there and like trust in what you're doing. And I feel like I never recognized the correlation between business ownership and trading and how much you have to trust the process of your own business and what you're operating and how it's going to spit out profits and stuff like that. So I think it's pretty cool. I think it's cool that you do that. And I think also like, you know, if you're running a business or doing whatever, like you have to believe in yourself a lot, you know? Like there's a lot of people who are just like not confident like in their own abilities. And, you know, when they're approached with the challenge you're like, all man, I can't do this or all man, I can't do that. But like, you know, I think like, especially with like anyone who's into trading or entrepreneurship, you know, you have to really, really believe in yourself in order to kind of, I think take that leap of faith and just, you know, it's really a leap of like kind of like blind faith, you know? Like you don't know if trading's going to work out. You don't know if like your business is going to work out or whatever, but you're like, man, I believe in myself. I know I can do this. I know I can get better. And I think that is really, you know, I guess like for me like where that comes from. So like once you joined MIC, what was, you know, maybe some things you learned or like wish you had done or like, are there any things like that? Or like, how are you doing now? Maybe we could like go back into your trading journey a little bit. Yeah, no, of course. Yeah, so I joined MIC in the beginning of 2020, made the leap and from the start, I mean, I already knew that MIC was different from all of the other communities just because of, you know, that support aspect. You know, you came in and the first thing that they say is, you know, what we talked about, I should say, is the process. You know, what is your process? Are you going inside the market and you know what you're going to be doing every single day? You know, and I kind of wrote it down, you know, because of the fact that, you know, I like it. Yeah, yeah, I have to, just to say I am. So I mean, it's becoming, you're almost becoming a robot. You're almost becoming a robot to the process. And that's what MIC taught me. They taught me, you know, sizing in correctly. They saw me that the right stocks to look at. You know, and I kind of had the price action and knew, you know, how to read price action, but I wouldn't want to say that MIC molded me to learn how to actually trade it. Buy what you got, but buy what MIC teaches. You know, the 30% rule, sizing in correctly, knowing when to go short, you know, waiting for under VWAP, looking at the runners on the day, you know, stocks with volume, having your risk. I mean, the major thing is risk management. I mean, that is the biggest thing. I, before MIC, I think I was, I blew up three accounts and I don't think I traded longer than two weeks in each of those accounts. Really? Yeah, oh yeah, because of the, I was just emotional. I was sizing in too big. I didn't have the support of the community to kind of just bring me back down to say, you know, this is a journey, this is, what's the word I'm looking for? It's a marathon, not a sprint. Yeah, there you go. It's a marathon, not a sprint. And I just, you just didn't have that kind of support in other places. So when I joined MIC, it totally changed my trading completely. Now, I started back up trading in, beginning of November and my account's still alive. There you go, there you go. So I did, I think it's funny, like I've been around for a long time. It's so, so it's hairy now. And it's like, honest to God, until MIC started, like I never saw people on like Twitter or anything like that, talking about like max daily losses, hard stops. Like I see people making fun of that stuff. Risk management, yeah, risk management in general. Like they would just say, oh, like, you know, stop out quickly basically. It was like the thing. And it's like, but how, like, what do you mean? Like how, you know, how do you know when enough is enough? And it was really until MIC that I had the same problem. Initially, I just, I wouldn't know how to take a loss. Like I just, I wouldn't know where to size. I wouldn't know where to do that. So it's like, I think it's a testament to where you're at now. It's cool to see because clearly it's night and day, right before you didn't have that risk management aspect of like, I need to protect my account. I need to protect myself. And now you kind of do. So where, like, where are you now? Like, how is your trading going? You know, what are your best kind of setups? And, you know, what's kind of, what is it going to be for you going forward? So my setups now, I'm short bias trader. And I've gained consistency in my trading to the point where I don't think, I don't want to say that I can go full time yet because I'm just not there. I mean, do I think that I will one day? Of course. But right now it's just getting those small gains, not really worried about the gains. I'm just worried about the trading. Even though I've been here, you know, been doing this now about going into four years, you know, I'm not even thinking about that. I'm just focused on trading well, you know, just trading my setups and refining those. And right now I'm only focused on, you know, one or two setups. I like the first red day setup when they do come, but since that's not at all all the time, I'm mostly shorting into resistance. So I'm shorting the open. I'm waiting for, you know, the big top out moves, I'm waiting for the slams. And then, you know, once it gets under VWOP, you know, then I'm starting in a position, you know, risking over VWOP. And then once the trade starts working, you know, then I'll start adding into the position and start going full size, you know, waiting for those confirmation type setups rather than anticipation. Yeah, I think that is, I think that's super key. Like there's a podcast coming out today where we talked about, you know, with Trev, where, you know, if you're trading like, let's say, you know, a hundred shares, like there's, you could do like, you could feel like, you know, 20 or 30 shares on the front side and then add all that in on the, I'm not saying that, you know, that's why you're trading with that, but, you know, if you're, let's say like, keep it simple, you know, oh, I guess it came out. It literally just came out right now. Anyway, you know, so let's say you like, you size in super, super small and then you just add the rest on the confirmation, you know, that's really all you need. And, you know, I think that that is really kind of super, super important to recognize and to do, you know? Oh, definitely. And then also to even, even executions and then for covering, you know, that's also a big thing too, because, you know, we're, I might see Tommy and especially Bao, I mean, listening to him about the, you know, the 20, you know, you make three trades, you make 20 cents a piece, that's 60 cents. You're doing that with a thousand shares, you know, your risk is, oh, it adds up so quick. So not only does it help me with my entries, but now my exits, I'm covering in support, I'm keeping some for lower. And it really just depends. I mean, if the range on the stock isn't there, I'm not gonna hold for lower, you know, if we're already getting down to the bottom of the range, you know, now you're just trying to get the little meat, you know, that's on the phone. You know, that's where you get into trouble because, you know, volume starts drying up, short start to cover, you know, once that volume comes in, next to you know, that winning trade that you could have made that 20, 30 cents on, well, now you're underwater. And now you're thinking, okay, well, it worked once, you know, so it should go back down. And then next to you know, you're putting yourself into an emotional roller coaster. And then all of a sudden your process goes out the window. So I definitely think that your entries and your exits, they're just as important to one another. Yeah, you know what I like to hear is that, so I know we've talked in the past a little bit. And I like to hear like, you definitely have like a new level of confidence. Like you don't, you actually like sound, like you have like a process that makes sense. You sound like you know what you're actually looking for. You sound like you have a sizing plan. You have all of this and like, did that come naturally to you? Like as you were in MIC, where did it take this kind of last like year or so or like really since you've been into to really get yourself there? Like, was that something that, you know, to you, did you have to, did you make all the mistakes first and do those stupid things like chase lows, add to stupid things and stuff like that or kind of like that part of your journey go? Yeah, no, definitely. I think it's, I think it's both because, you know, as I'm learning it, I think with trading though, everyone's gonna, I think it's a very rare thing for someone not to experience it themselves because it's kind of like, oh, that plates, you know, it's about the kid, oh, the stove's hot, but then your mind, oh, is it, how hot is it? You know, like, yeah, and then you touch it. And it's like, oh, wow, it is hot. There is things in MIC that I don't do specifically because we are told not to do them in our process, but there is definitely things that I learned and did. And I don't want to say that I was trying to break rules, but, you know, sometimes your emotions get the best of you and you make decisions based off of your emotions and you don't realize you're actually making them. So that's why when I, you know, that's why I say it's like a one-on-one thing because I have done things differently because of MIC, but then I've also done things differently because of MIC and then making those mistakes on my own, not realizing that I'm actually making them. You know, there's times where, you know, I wasn't covering into support and we're bottom of the range, but like I was so wrapped up in the trade that I thought, okay, you know, and then, you know, we're so close, we're almost to red-green or we're almost to green-red and I'm not covering. And now I'm, yeah, so there's just little things that, you know, I knew not to do, but because I was, you know, kind of in the moment, maybe I was just sized in a little bit too much. Maybe I thought that the trade, maybe I was anticipating. And then from there, I would go back and say, okay, what's our process? And then what did I do wrong? And then I would fix it for next time. Yeah, I like that. No, I don't like that too. Do you think like, you know, as far as like, there were like any like key videos or anything that you watched? Or do you think it was more so just like, you know, just watching videos consistently? Or like, is there anything like, for someone who just joined MIC, like is there any like favorites that you would tell people to go back and watch? Like if you had to like design a curriculum? So the way I did it when I first joined is I filed MIC to the team with, you know, going into well, now we have Nancy's intro video. Yeah. So we have Nancy's intro video. See, I actually, she's very proud. I wrote it down all the, all my key points. I have one, I have one. So I definitely recommend Nancy's intro video, face study guide. You know, if you're an MIC, everyone should know who Faye is. Yeah. And- Faye the ghost. Yeah, exactly. But hey, she's the worthy ghost. She's the worthy ghost. She's like the- She's like the- Yeah. She is, don't talk to her, she's a trip. So the accelerator program, I watched that three times. You know, just to, even though, yeah, I've watched it about three times. I continue to watch it because, you know, there's always things, you know, if you watch a movie more than once, you start finding things that you didn't see before. And it's the same thing in trading. The more you watch, the more you're gonna be like, wow, I didn't see that last time or, because just different, your mind is not gonna, we're human. Your mind is, that information- You're not gonna pick up everything. Exactly. It's not gonna pick up everything. If you're focused on, okay, I wanna be short bias trader, you're gonna start figuring out things about being short. But then when you re-watch it, you're gonna say, okay, well, I was so focused on that. Well, now I'm learning this. And, you know, re-watching the videos, I know some people are gonna be like, oh, wait, that's a waste of time, but it's not because- Dude, you know, you know people watch the Accelerator as, I think, so many people try to watch it as fast as possible, too, originally, because they're just like, oh, I wanna get through it. I wanna get through it and get to the next thing. It's like, now you hear John saying, like, he watched it three fucking times. And the Accelerator is what, seven hours, or eight hours long? Like, it's not short. And it's like, that's what pisses me off the most. My DMs lately have been filled with newer guys. So, for anyone who doesn't know, MIC got rid of monthly memberships. You only have annual lifetime now. So, if you join, you're serious. So, why not take that first class, like the most serious? Like, it's like driving school. It's like, your first driving class is like, how you learn how to fucking drive. It's like how you learn the basic operations of your motor vehicle. It's like, people bust through that fucking video and think, oh, I'm gonna be a millionaire tomorrow. It's like, no, like, you're hearing it from someone who's now being consistent and doing well. You have to take it slow and actually pay attention to these, watch these things multiple times. Cause you are, like you said, you're gonna pick up nuances. I still go back, I bet Harry does too. I still go back and watch the trading fish stuff, like when I'm fucking working out, when I'm taking a shit, when I'm doing anything. Like, I listen to that thing over and over. And you know what? I hear new things when Bao's talking all the fucking time. So, I really like they said that. I think that's a huge point. Yeah. And I think also, like, you know, when you're learning how to drive a car, first of all, you know, everyone gets in that car, right? You know, when you're, but with trading, like a lot of people are afraid to even step in the car, you know? And then you have to press the gas and the brake. And, you know, similar to trading, you know, like covering and buying and shorting and whatever, you know, some people are afraid to do that so far. And then you get to an intersection and so on. And it gets more complicated when you're driving, you know? But I think about, you know, I think there are some similarities there as well. And I also think that, like, you know, when you're driving, everyone's cheering you on, right? Everyone's like, oh, man, you're doing such a great job. You're driving, like, yeah, I'm so proud of you. And then the other two people in the back seat. Yeah. And you start fucking trading and everyone's like, oh, you're a DJ and you're a fucking gambler, bro. Get a 95, you know? Like, it's crazy, you know? If you get in a car accident, everyone's like, oh, it's okay, it happens. You're being serious. Yeah, you fucking blow up your account. And everyone's like, you fucking idiot, you're such a dumbass, go back to work. You know, that's literally fucking human nature, right? How did you get that going for the voice? Did you have any, like, kind of, like family, like, kind of, that were a little hesitant or that weren't really supportive or... Well, you know, as I got into this, my dad, my dad, well, my grandfather, his brother was really into stocks. I mean, to the point where he would, I remember being a kid and he'd be like, get off my papers, John, get off my papers. And I'm thinking like, this guy's crazy, papers everywhere. Like, but then my mom's told me that those papers were the business section of all the stocks. They were, he would stay up all night, he would do all of his research. And I mean, we're talking 1970s, 1960s, 1980s. So they didn't have the technology that we have today. So... Now, was he actually trading or was he just like... He was... Life, I have family, that was like that too. They'd be like looking at like, oh, Microsoft's at this today. It's like, I don't even know if they're trading it. I was like, okay. No, no, yeah, he was a big investor. They both had successful careers. My grandfather was a civil engineer. So yeah, so they had a successful career. So, they were really smart, really analytical. So yeah, they were... So it's awesome to kind of see that I picked this up and to see that my family has been involved in the markets before. But nothing, when I first started this, yeah, they didn't... No one really understands it until you do it kind of thing. You know, exactly what Terry said, you know. Oh, you're trying to trade, go get a nine to five, stop taking the... Wait, this is the best part. Don't take the easy way. Don't try to make the easy money. This is the hardest thing I've called it. This is the biggest self-discovery journey you will ever take and learn about yourself. There's... Discovery or destructive. Oh, seriously, you'll think like, man, I've made strides. And let me tell you, the market will humble you back down. And in a good way because it's a big growth experience. And I think when people actually take it serious and they don't go, where's Lambo? And they actually look at it as trading as a real journey. And I think it goes to a different level. Yeah. I think we are all around that level when somebody comes in and they assume that because you can just open up a brokerage account and you can click a click of a mouse, that makes it easy. And I think that's where it comes from because that's all you need to do. You don't have to go to school. You don't all you do. But in the more general pop is they think that you just go in and you click a button and that's it. They don't understand the nuances of actual trading and they don't put the time in to actually learn it. And then when they lose, well, it's never their fault. It's the market's fault. It's true, man. It's true. I think people don't understand that part of this journey is, I think more of it is the technical side of it, I honestly think you can teach anybody. I really do. I think anybody can learn like, because you could make it so black and white for people, like you could say, hey, if a stock after 930 is under VWAP, it's you could short it with risk overview. Like you could make it so technical. Doesn't mean it's gonna work as often as the way we trade, but you could. Like I like to keep you guys updated. Like I'm helping the guy who owns a convenience store next to my business. And dude, he's killing it. He's killing it. He's really good. He's making like between like two to 500 a day. This guy started trading a month and a half ago, right? That's why. And it is, right? But again, it's because he's so technical, but he had his first red day. And his first red day, he had like a $300 loss and then like a $50 loss, which in my opinion, great losses still within his range is like, not as max daily, all that shit. But the emotional down, I could see it in like the days that he's making money. It's such a happy, like this is amazing. This is such a cool thing. Everything, because you're learning. Then the down days, even if it's a down day that's like reasonable. Even if it's a fucking dollar, bro. It is. It's just this odd feeling of like, oh my God, I'm a piece of shit scumbag moron. Like why the fuck did I do that? Like I can't, you can't explain that to people who haven't done it. Unless like maybe I, I hate to compare it. Maybe someone who goes to casino can kind of relate because it's like that person that stays a little too long at like the blackjack table and like, you know, like, one more hand, one more hand and then you get fucked. And you're like, yeah. I still feel like in a fucking casino though, like everyone's like, like you almost expect to lose. I think the majority. Oh yeah. Unless you're like a fucking professional gambler, you almost like expect to lose. But with trading, you do not expect to lose. Like you're going into the day confident. You're like, all right, bro, I back tested all this shit last night. Good to go. Yeah. We got 90% success rate on our side. You're like, you're a, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this. You're, we'll cut it out if I can't. You're like a fucking, you know, like student. You're like, you're like, I studied these supernovas, bro. Like supernovas from fucking 1999, man. Like Microsoft was the shit. And like you're all like getting ready to like fire up. And yeah, there's not a supernova today. And you're like, oh shucks man. I'm just going to short this NASDAQ low float that's up like 500% and see how I do. Cause it's bound to go supernova. I think the thing we're trading to, I think the thing we're trading, which is tough is like, you're right. It's like, you know, we do all this work and all this preparation for years and years and years and like still realistically one trade, like fucking blow you up and like, you don't happen, you won't necessarily win on every trade. It's like me going to work doing a haircut, like at 90% of the time I'm getting paid. But like one time I'm not going to get, maybe I don't get paid, maybe they don't like the haircut. Maybe something happens and it's like, it still feels like shit. Yeah, maybe they're going to nail and bail me. I know, I'm fucking, honestly I'm too fucking fat and lazy. I'd let them go. I'm just, I'll get the next time. But no, it's just, it's something like- Free haircuts. Whatever, bro. Yeah, I'm going to James for my haircut and I'm starting my business next door to his. I mean, wouldn't you? No, it's true. It's true. It's just, I don't know, it's cool. But I really do like seeing you progress the way you have it. It's cool to watch because I've noticed like, Harry and I have been here but like as long as MIC's been around. So it's like, you see people come and go and originally and now it's like, you see people come and now they're actually like, growing into profitable traders. And it's like, we got fucking 2,400 people or whatever it is, 2,317. And it's like, the amount of profitable guys and people that even just talking to, you can tell, understand what we're teaching and what Alex and Bal and Tasha teach. It's fucking really cool to see. So I give you a lot of props man, I like to see it. I appreciate that. I really appreciate that James because I started as a monthly. So just to go back, kind of like, when I started in MIC's, I started as a monthly. And I mean, I took the full ride because Accelerator, I was there when Accelerator was just, it didn't just come out, but it was like brand new still. So they weren't just offering it inside the program. It was, and I wanted to have money in my trading account. I just didn't have expendable to $2,500 at the time to do the Accelerator plus the yearly. So I thought, well, about 2,000. So I thought, you know what, let me do, cause I really wanted to do the Accelerator program. I did the three month, was it the four month or is it three or four month? Is it three months? Yeah, I think three months plus the Accelerator. So I did the monthly plus the three month of the Accelerator, but then rates were gonna go up for the yearly, like two months later. And I just thought, man, I'm putting it on a credit card. I gotta get it. I gotta get in, you know, cause I, you know, I had the cash, but I wanted, you know, I like credit. So, you know, but anyways, I, yeah, I just was like, you know what, so I went from monthly to the three month plus Accelerator to a yearly because of I saw the value of what I might see offered. And then, you know, in the future, I'll go. We're not, we're not snake oil salesmen, right? Like I never, people ask all the time, they'll be like, should I upgrade, should I upgrade it? And like, I would never be like, yeah, because, you know, if you don't, you're never gonna make money. Like I just believe like investing in yourself and investing in education. Like, like dude, especially like, like barbers, dude, they go to shows at like monthly, they pay for that shit. Like I'm a wine, like I like wine a lot. I pay to go to like wine tasting wine classes, like all that stuff. And I don't even get anything back for that except just drinking some wine. Like I don't get shit, you know, but, but you guys here, it's like, you guys have the opportunity to pay for something that in the short term might sting just cause like obviously buying something that like you don't get that instant gratification for does hurt, but think about the potential. Like, I mean, I, you know, listen to me and Harry talk about like money and stuff all the time, but like, and I don't want, I don't want to put anyone in plastic how much they make or anything like that. But like, you can make that back like so fucking fast. It's not even funny. Like just sticking to the basic process. Like you see newer members making between like a hundred and 200 a day. These are just new guys who just like are like just getting into it. And it's like, again, think about that like long term. If that's the most you ever make a day, which is not realistic, probably gonna make more. But think about how fast you make that back and you have to rest of your fucking 50 years to do whatever you want. And when you, oh, sorry. I don't know. I was just gonna say, I think that that is, you know, like a good place to kind of like start maybe like winding down a little bit because, you know. Yeah, the university is done. Yeah. I mean, we have been, you know, at our, we are coming up on our kind of like 30 minute mark. Yeah. I agree with what James said where, you know, we're not, we're not like, it's not like Alex is like, yeah, try and get as many of these people to upgrade as you can, you know, like, people ask us like literally every day, like, should we upgrade? Should we do this? Should we do that? And like, you know, none of us are saying like, oh, you must do that. But like all of us are saying like, it's probably like the best idea to, you know, invest in yourself. And it's literally like university, you know, like university is not free. You have to pay way more than MIC for just one year. Jesus. You know, it's fucking insane. So, you know, that's all I have to say where it's like, you know, like, none of us are like, you know, crammed salesmen or anything like that. It's like, you know, we don't get anything either. No. You know, like here, you guys can get all their monies. It doesn't work like that, you know. We just generally care and want to see people succeed. So, but I guess we are coming up on the time and it is pre-market. So we should probably start focusing on this. So John, thank you for coming on, man. You did awesome. And I appreciate it. And I know would love to have you back in the future. Just to kind of document your progress. Yeah, thanks, James, Harry. I really guys appreciate this opportunity. So, of course, man. Of course, we will talk in chat. All right, we'll do.