 How are you, McCormick? Oh, good. How are you, Mr. President? Well, you've been having hell, haven't you? Well, we've got all these boys out here. They speak to them, I guess, of Johnson Man, a king rally on the week of Sunday with 15% Johnson. Johnson the killer, Johnson the destroyer of human life. Johnson the killer in Vietnam. But I think there's something that has to be dealt with very certainly and quickly, and that's the formation of this national gang that's been taking place all over our country. I had to call from some of the mayors, and they wanted to call a conference to put it on your lap, and I said, well, now, wait a minute. But the hell everyone tries to deliver the responsibility to someone else. There's no point in that. And they were greatly disturbed about Humphrey's statement. The National Guard won't solve anything that if he were in the area, he'd act the same way. And I don't know where the hell we're going. And we're out here trying to descend the national picture and trying to do everything. When there's $800 billion held up with the urban renewal in Washington, we're all the cities of America because they haven't got the money. And we don't know if there's anything about that. I don't know why somebody in Washington and our town are not about the guard. I didn't know Humphrey had said anything about the guard. Well, I think the mayor there got me. I'm tired of it. It was nothing about the proposition. This was the speech of the warland today. And if he were in the area, he'd act the same way. And if he were in Chicago, and I were the mayor, he'd be locked up like anyone else. He'd get for the data. Because I think we've gone a long way with the good doctor, Mr. President. He's not your friend. He began to see it now. He's a goddamn baker. He comes out here and he shows a picture of what has been going on for a year. It's nothing new. And I confronted him with it the other day and told him right in the meeting, and he refused. He said he didn't know. I said, doctor, don't give me that. Let me give you the documentation. Here it is. Here are your people. The first thing in my picture is a thing in a national subject. I don't know how the hell we approach it. It's the most dangerous thing we have in facing our country. You've got to vote that way. A poverty program all wrapped up in it. You've got a lot of people on poverty subversive as far as the national government on Vietnam as far as the local government. It's a complete test. I don't see it as trying to have law and order in government or trying to have this other thing take over with constant agitation with the citizens of the present and not Vietnam. And the both ports are very close together. And then also this very realistic natural organization which is becoming extortion in all the big cities. They're going in and telling the people, you either pay a doctor with not your windows out or give you a muller pot cocktail or you can do something else. Now we have identified some of these people. I don't know also what's wrong with the FBI because they have observers in all this but they'll say we never come up with anything. Now we know that they've come in here and we know that there's been people acting and we know that there must be some money passed someplace. We've infiltrated them, tried to. We've got part of the story. We're getting part of it again but it seems to me that we're in a situation when the sites leave them and talk to them about the connotation that there's up here at the sites. San Francisco at the sites and New York at the sites in the southern city and it all has the same pattern. We get a lot of organizations in our country that are greedy nothing but hatred of the president, hatred of the government and open and armed republics. You can see the picture in Life Magazine last week, a watch, they're training kids nine, ten, eleven years a day how to operate, how to do all this with a little warranty on it. Now I really think there's a very astute national picture that has to have some adjustment. Your men can mend Saturdays, John Dorsum, Civil Liberties and Mr. Wilkins from the community. Well, there's the Justice Department and I think about their gang pictures all over the country. Well, they didn't know. It's the relationship of one gang to the other to see the way the people come to the poverty program. We know you're in for your cargo and can't you take the trouble and start to re-identify. And we've named it. And we've pointed it out. We've pressed them out the day again in the entire city with the complete report on the organization known as RAM, which is the pro-capital of it. It came back in two when operating out of New York. Now they've been messed up in your outfit? Oh, sure. What they do is move all around the country. We have to do some work where our fellows are in there, our police and captains, our workers, they're all in and out of there and they're trying to get more and more information. Very cleverly done. It isn't something that's crudely done or uncrucely done. It's done with a lot of intelligence. And we've been trying to infiltrate the substance to find out who are the people who've been ordered to identify a half a dozen of them. Beyond that identification, you can't go any further. But if they arouse the young people between nine and 12 years of age that they have in our city, I'm told the same thing in Cleveland, same thing in Los Angeles, so this is all that's been disordered. We're going to be more hell of a shape. What shape did you got King in? Is he about ready to get out? Well, I don't think so. I don't know, but after all, he started this thing out here. He started on a Sunday and 200 of these young fellows came out and stood out in the field and wouldn't get off and kept hollering about black knees in the local town of Johnson, the daily and everyone else. And they would get off the field. And then all that, what's important is that they the same outfit the commies and all that are tied up with the anti-Vietnam. And then the religious leaders and all that were all out on the civil rights. And you're having a hell of a time to define between civil rights as civil rights. Well, as I said to them, there are a lot more people who start in Johnson. And I just, who do you think supports Johnson? People like myself and people like the Democratic Party of Cook County. I'll be you to come in here and start asking about the next vote in the Congress. It's ridiculous. Why the hell don't you go some place and have some that haven't been voting with Johnson? And I said, doctor, demand you present it to me. 31 demand. And I said, I don't want you to go to any of the cities in the country including your own city of Atlanta. He said, that's right. And I said, well, why are you presenting them here? Well, he said, the reason we're presenting them here is you got a defined city. Such a wonderful city. It's given so much opportunity to our Negro. 47% of the Negro population is in the middle class. Yeah, but I said, you never say that. You never say it publicly. You never say it for a lot of this trouble. And when I put it on him on his people, we had the documentation. We got it in the state until we got records and everything else. His people have been in here for a year. And frankly and honestly, he's named the whole picture as the president. I really think there's a hell of a lot of politics. What do you think it is, Dick? Oh, yeah. They won't just tonight even Billy Graham said the whole thing because of the political legislation because every care at the end time they come in can be imagined presenting them demands for civil rights either by asking about new precinct captains in 13 sections of the city. New precinct captains. I said, well, is this the civil right demand? Or is it the political demand? Then they have the fellow with them. That's one of the specialists in Felton and the church federation. These are the public and word commitment. And I said, well, Senator the name is Senator Robinson the Democratic Party in Chicago must be doing pretty good for us in April. Or we wouldn't be winning the election we've won for the last 20 years. And for you to come in here and start telling me as the leader of the Democratic Party who we should select as precinct captains I just wonder if the doctors might turn to doctors how this fits into the civil rights movement. And I think throughout the nation in every large city and I think they've used the police department brutality all out of proportion. I think you've got weak manners like Lindsey just fold it up on the police or at least turn the whole thing over to them what the hell is happening in the department no one knows. And our fellow says well, I'd like to respect for O.W. Wilson that if you break down on that this is the first step of the breakdown of law enforcement on the local level and when you get dead he says you have lawlessness and he says how are you going to get police when you enforce the law or to try to cope with some of these riotous situations that there's going to be time to be confronted with a civilian police force and I stood up with this they wanted a civilian police force and I said well gentlemen why don't we stop you I'll make it a general charge why don't you talk to the doctor or anyone else and bring the name and the place and then let that investigation focus thing that our fellow department is working on and what about the police captain who got in the back they're whipping it up pretty quick do you think that you've got things in pretty good shape in Chicago as good as they can be but we need some some kind of federal help to shut off this gang situation this gang situation in New York, in Los Angeles in Philadelphia in Cleveland in Pittsburgh in Detroit in San Francisco is no good and it's allowed to go unabated it's allowed to go and fester the way it is the majority are headed you know like go put robbery with a gun all of this kind of business and there's something yet to be done with the president the sale of the guns we outside the suburbs in the city we have control of what the hell in the suburbs is we go out to ball around our suburbs we have people out there the non-white are buying guns right and left got guns and rifles and pistols and everything else there's no regularism in the damn thing something has to be done under gun law because you see the same thing happen in Cleveland that happened here sniper shooting off the roof at Clinton where the hell did they get the weapon there's no and you know they get trouble with this national but after the president the fascination we thought so but you can't get the congress to vote for it damn the conservation leagues and everybody comes in when they see this thing that's happening they get the back and you see a lot of people are trying to put it under the winter civil rights this isn't civil rights this is civil disorder there's no civil what the hell out here they've been voting as I pointed out to the good doctors we had police get the Negro police get 40 years ago we had chiefs of the fire department today we have more Negro commanders in command of district even they're coming in talking we have more Negro commanders in the city of the United States we have more Negro fire officers valued tremendous middle class