 Welcome to ToffeeTV, it is the final word we are joined by Paul McAllister to talk about another absolute shit show. Let's just get that out straight away. Shit show at Guthersen Park again. This video is sponsored by One Football, One Football's app makes it easy to find scores, stats and the latest news all in one place to download the One Football app. Click the link in the description, you can find all these amazing results that Everton seem to turn up with every single week. On that app. On that app. They love me for saying that. Yeah. I knew we were getting beaten this game because I just knew that Wolves are better than us. And guess what? Wolves are better than us. The table doesn't lie. They are better than us. But I was a little bit disturbed by how much, not how much better than us they are, but just how a lot more happier they seem for a team that was separated by two points before the game started. I was amazed in the levels of happiness might be the wrong word, but just attitude and also togetherness. I'll keep reeling them off because there's actually a few, isn't there? Just players looking like you're brought in to the same system and they were all really happy playing together whereas you looked at us. And this is what I knew. It was probably more than anything and it shows that there only being two points gap before the game that actually if our players had some of that, we'd be mad at them because if we've got backfired with shite performances then our players must just do enough to win some games of football. If we had what they had, I think we'd be, well, at least we're being seven put it that way. Well, our players I just don't think the attitude is awful. I think there's no motivation with them as we were saying off camera a second ago. I think they just turn up and they think, I can't be asked today. I'll just do the absolute bare minimum and I'll see if I can get away with it. And when they all do, if one or two do that, you can probably get away with that. But when seven or eight players and all just turn up thinking, no, I really, really can't be doing with this today. I don't want to run around and sweat. I don't want to be snapping people. I don't want to be putting my foot in my head. I don't want to be doing all the dirty work. I'll just, if it doesn't come easy to me then I don't want it then. Whereas all their players, they fight for their manager. They really don't like, they believe in them. And when he's, it's, what's the word we're thinking of? So the thing that Silver is, I just don't think these players, I don't think that happened. I don't think they're playing for him. I really don't. I don't think it's anything personal. I don't think he's like, he's eight or nothing like that, like the older ones. I think they just look at this for them. They're not buying into his ideas. I don't, if they are, then they're not showing it. Yeah. I mean, that's a really good point about buying into his ideas, because what we have seen in the last couple of years, last two or three years, where you like it or not. I wouldn't go as far as going to play a power or such where play, where you look at teams and you look at players and then look, Man United's the perfect example this year, because I think what that is, I think with those players, I think it's, maybe it's about a 50-50 split on who you blame on the reaction. I think most people go, they fucking hate to play in the Marineo, because he suffocated the way they all want to play. And you see that now. Some people don't believe otherwise. Some people go, they should have done that for the, but if the manager's tactics suffocate what you want to do. And I'm not saying this is the same for this manager that we've got now, but if players don't enjoy playing the system, you can feel it. And when they get a new manager, sometimes you've let them play, it's lifted. You've seen it. You've seen loads of times. You've seen Chelsea where Marineo was left and they went on and won the Champions League. Sorry, when he left and, you know, they were 13th and you've seen it with Leicester a little bit, the second season, the season after they won the league. It's this. I don't know. I don't know whether that is, whether they play. You just simply don't like playing the system. But you've got to, sometimes you've just got to meet the manager halfway and just get on with it. But you've been very quiet, come on. Are you sick? No, listening. Just listening to different points of view. You know what he put in? For God's sake, you're not like an assistant. What I think was evident Saturday was the desire from the players. Everything plays, don't have desire. Everything plays. They're all pretty footballers. They're all good, clever footballers. But clever as in with the ball, not clever as in the understand how to play the game. What was evident to me was how much Wolves wanted to keep the ball out there net. They made sure they got blocks in. They made sure no one was free off corners and set pieces. They were all this man to man zone. Wolves marks only Saturday. But they made sure they won the first ball. And if they didn't win the first ball, they made sure everybody got on the second ball. Whereas evident don't. It's almost like we've been told to do this thing. So we'll do this thing. And if there's a variable in that thing that's been told to do, they don't respond to it. So they all line up brilliantly on the zones like they're supposed to. But if you run off, well, the man that you never told me that you were going to run off. So I'm just going to leave you. You don't go, well, it falls on it, and there you go. And we saw that with the, and I won't come on, but we saw that with the second goal. Someone does something different and you don't know how to react. And we saw it in Millwall last week. Three goals, three times, someone ran somewhere else and we didn't respond to that. Watching them at the weekend, there was a clear message. No, listen, the manager's all around on that. Great brilliance. But it's all the lads who had the gold shades on at the weekend. For them, they all knew what they were doing and they all made sure. And the biggest one was Conor Cody. He was the biggest one. He was the man of the match. He organized them. He was screaming. He was dragging people into position. He made sure he got his head on. The kids would have walked. There was a foul on the book and Lee Mason's a gobsite or that's never happened. But in general, he was the one driving them on and making sure they put. When do you ever see an Everton Center back, pushing people out? Well, none of them. They just had their head back and they just, they're that worried, excuse me, about doing their own job. They're not caring about anyone else either. And I think there's too much of that in our team. They're all thinking about themselves. And it was very evident Wolves didn't. Wolves were all buying into it. Apart from when Raoul went down and no one gave a shit because they knew he dived when the other even bought. They know when he went over to, he was just like, I don't know, it's him again. But in general, they were all together. The fans buying into it. The coaching staff and the manager. And it was a, it was a bit of a chalk and cheese. We, we do put the blame ball for this at the moment. Do you look at the manager squarely on? No. Or the players or a bit of both? It's a bit of both. But this, this group of players is better than what it's shown. This group of players is seven feet easily. You've got a lot of players there who play for big clubs and have done all right at big clubs. They should not be getting add off by the likes of West Ham and by the likes of Brighton and by the likes of Wolves that we've lost to. We've shown how good, they showed how good they were when they played that one in the derby. That's how good everything can be. But this squad of players, they can compete. But as we've said, when they turn up, they just feel like, you know what, I can't be more over today or, or I'm just going to do what the manager told me and I'm not going to be proactive. I'm just going to be reactive. If he, I think what the manager is, I don't want to be calling for his head. I think it's not really fair because he's not had too long. You're not allowed to on the show anyway. You're not allowed to. It's, it's out there and the rules, the rules say that bad doesn't allow it. Think about, I just put, hang on, let me just throw the caveat in there. I just played devil's ass with that. With that I'm saying, if you call him for his head, who do we get in that? Why? Why do we, why will it be different? I know you're so back to what you think just then being it. What I mean is, I don't think it's all, it's not fair to just say, oh the manager's all this, he's crap, he's rubbish, get rid of them. I think he deserves some of the criticism he's getting. Yeah, 100%. I've seen some people say, oh, get a grip of yourselves, like, oh, I bet you can't wait to be with the end of matches. At the end of matches, the first minute, the second minute, the third minute. I've read a few people saying, I bet some of our fans called the game wanting us to lose and I don't buy into that. That's just people wanting to be miserable for the sake of being miserable. But one thing I'll say about the manager is, I don't think the message is not getting across to the players. And if he can't communicate to the players what he wants them to do, you might have it all up here. If he can't get it out, he can't get it out of his mouth and the play, it's not syncing in with the players. And it's been six months, then is it ever going to synch in with them? Really? I'll say what, I'll say what I noticed a big difference between us and them on Saturday. You know, the fight, the fight that you talk about. Yeah. I think that comes from the fact that that group of players played in the championship together and had to fight out of the championship. And let's remember, when they played in the championship, they were a Premier League team playing. They made that team last season and they were a Premier League team playing in the championship. They pissed the championship and everyone was like, and yeah, we've said it, everyone's probably said it, but we'll do it. And because we're watching them every week, you know, you don't get that understanding that they're together, all as one. But they fought for that and they've got quality players, but they've also got the connoisseurs, you've been everywhere with walls, you've fought and I've got better. We've got a group of players that, in all respects to them, they're all, they're all good players that weigh in good enough to get in someone else's team. Yeah. All of them, apart from, you know, a couple like Pickford and you know... Shake it soon. No, no. Shake it soon wasn't good enough to get in the space team. Let's get it right. We got him from Swansea, but he wasn't good enough to get in the space team. Listen, I'm fucking Shake it soon's biggest fan, but I know that Gomez wasn't good enough to get in the Barcelona team, Dean wasn't good enough to get in the Barcelona team, Meena wasn't good enough to get in the Barcelona team, Zuma isn't good enough to get in the Chelsea team, Keem we both from Benly, Bains we've always had. You know, Woke up wasn't good enough to get in the Arsenal team. All right, Bernard was on a free transfer. So that's what we're talking about. We're talking about players who aren't good enough to get in the top teams that have come to our place and didn't have to fight. Yeah, they've all come from different backgrounds, haven't they? Oh, God. What? Why is he anywhere near the first team? What has he done to justify being back in the saddle Saturday? And yeah, he walks into the side. Why? Why aren't we giving Luchman a go or giving Bernard a go? All right, maybe Bernard's not fit or I don't know, but why is Luchman not fit? So that's where we are at the moment. We've got players who've walked into our team because you made goodness someone else and that means that shows me that there might be that that bit of fighting on them. And I suppose now that's what we need to go and get. And as you see in their plays as well or you see in other players, you go on by a type of player that hasn't been pampered, that hasn't had the luxury, that hasn't been used to just sitting on a bench and going, but this is all right, isn't it? I'm still getting paid. Yeah. That's what we've got at the moment and it's all right saying, ah, we bought him from Barcelona and him from Barcelona. Well, did you know, did you buy them off the bench? Because that's the reality of what we've been buying. So maybe now, and I'm open brands and I'm sure brands will be looking at it, will be looking at and saying, well, you know what, I'm going to go and buy character, I'm going to go and buy a kid. The lad that we've been in with the winger from Holland, the Zano was a perfect. You look like Mexican players. Yeah, hungry. And South American players, a lot of South American players in general, they've got that hunger in them. They've got that fight, that desire. You still watch, you know, Suarez playing a 30-31 for Barcelona. He's made all the money in the world. He's won all the cups in the world. He doesn't have to fight, but it's in him. You see, and maybe that's what we're missing. Maybe that's where the character comes from. That's what I'm saying about Conocoadion Saturday. There's a player got released by Liverpool and he's gone, I don't have to fight for everything here. And as, and you see it when he plays football, as it all just, it's not, it's not a personal thing. It's more use looking and go, you've not had to fight for anything in your career. If you weren't going to have to play for one club, another club, it quickly bought you and give you 120 grand a week. So that's, that's the player with the element at the moment. And that's where you go, well, they're good enough, but have they got that hunger inside to fight and we simply haven't. So we're gonna have to go and find players that, you know, the quality might just drop off a little bit, but don't make up for it. And I think that's what we're massively missing at the moment. And we're talking about leaders. It only takes one, I think. It only takes one to turn around to everyone else and go, what are we doing? What are we doing here? Make it, make, make the other lot, everyone else look like nobbets by charging me on that pitch. Yeah. We've seen a couple years ago when James McCarthy, when we played against Arsenal, and we were expected to lose. And James McCarthy started just legging around on the pitch like a lunatic. And then the next minute loss started and then a couple of others. We ended up winning the game. James McCarthy takes that into the derby a couple weeks later and it's there again. And I don't know, not saying James McCarthy's the answer, but that kind of attitude, I don't know if he's still got that attitude, but that kind of attitude. Oh, he's still here. Where is he? He's still about. He's obviously still not fit enough, but it's infectious. It's infectious if if the fans get onto it. And that's exactly what we're all missing as fans as well. There's that one player to go, look at this, he's going for it. And it's why we fucking cheer people out in the ass. Yeah. And, you know, because they show hunger and desire on my centre right on Twitter on on on Saturday night, he said, people talk about everything, fans has been the hardest fans to impress. He said, he said, what fucking easy he said all you've got to do is pull on a shirt and run around a little bit. And we fucking send an agent like a hero. Yeah. Nothing. He's he's loved by a lot of people because he runs around and because he kicks the on because he punches the floor because it looks like it means something to him. Where does our players just walk off the pitch and go? Yeah. And what makes you worse is that is sort of sunk into some of the younger players now. So where there's like Tom first season he got into the team. We fucking raved about him because we've seen a kid who died for the shit. Now you see him and he's almost been pulled into it. I'm a professional now. In fact, I'm one of the senior players. I can't act like that anymore. That's exactly what we need. I just wish someone like Morgan Feeney was a little bit more developed than a little bit longer down the lines, you know what I mean? Because you put him in the team, you know what you're going to get from him. I don't think he's anybody near ready yet. But you just wish there was someone like that just ready to come into this team and just do you know what? Even if it just made a dickhead of everyone else like Tom did when he came into the team. Chelsea away 5-0, getting me 5-0. Kid won on and started just wanting it while everyone else was like he made dickheads that night of everyone else on our team. And that's for me what this club simply hasn't got a grip of. That mix, that moist, moist used to get a spot on. We've thrown around before hard work and players with sprinkling a class. We've got no hard work players and a little sprinkling a sprinkling on a class but without that hard work I mean it's not going to go anywhere. I think there's a lot of very good players in that team but the aptitude and the the ability, not the ability but the desire to do the dirty work. I don't think they want to do it. I think I don't even know if it's a conscious thing of a camp you asked. I just think some of them probably think they're too good to do to do that naughty, naughty shit which is getting blocks in them and making sure that you're out. I mean someone put a clip on Twitter this morning David Boyce asking them when he was at one of the games and he was saying like what's an everton I'm not at an everton player. Boyce back by the way but I'm just saying he don't and he was like well you've got a evertonians expecting to get out with that shit and show it means something and you work hard and then obviously they like good footballers and the best players the mix of that then the fans buy into it. The fans aren't buying into this because it's not I don't think it's necessarily Marko Silver either. I think they're looking at what's in front of them. We've done loads of stuff on how do we make the atmosphere better and I've always said well you know it's a bit of both because the fans have to do it because it's hard job it's all we can do. But I on Saturday I don't blame any everton fan for being quiet not not not because not compete which we didn't compete. We literally passed the bar brilliantly. We had 65% of the ball and at times it looks like it's almost there we'll cut through them and we get to the edge of the box and then it slowed and we turn and pass it back. The amount of time Shane Shane has come and passes it back now is incredible. I lost cancer I think it was about 30 times. Get it doesn't want to attack he's passing it back. The move breaks now. We get it up to the half rail and we turn and look to go backwards. So you go we're going that way. Where's that where's that he's where's the desire to get out fast to someone for a blocking where's the desire to grab someone of the opposition where when one of our plays is flattened where's the five men now on the referee Lee Mason took the piss Saturday what do we do you sure it's it's one of them in eight yeah you sure if you know we had a throwing we took it we broke it was three on one the charleston sprayed the bully blew his whistle dragged us back to take the throwing in exactly the same place even Elijah went Elijah went as if like I don't know why he's brought it back and he couldn't he couldn't answer it we broke three on one it was one one at a time in the first half which was a quick throwing sweet the charleston went past one switched it out wide Walcott was in and he blew the whistle and brought it back for us to take the throwing and not one ever in place and armed with him going the fuck are you doing what are you doing what why why have you brought it back tell me because we don't because we just go that's just something I think again it's been lost since I think more years went one thing that sticks out do you remember was it in that game we got three three we've united where we were three on down and we got it back to three three and then we were charging for was to get the fuck together off and then the referee blows it up the minute charge is getting there he's off a shot and noise and Steve rounds Steve runs run on the pitch and screaming his face going what the eff are you doing what are you doing you wouldn't be doing that if it was the other way round and then he's getting asked about it in the post match and he didn't just go oh no it was not no it was it was a bit of noise it was like no no no that's a disgrace you've got to let the passage of play come to the end what's the referee doing that was the other way round it wouldn't happen like that where's where's that where's that that's why you just go two goals in injury time that's why we like what are you doing we'll just take this point and run off like no what are you we could have won that game then what is this official doing I want an explanation and there's not there's none of that now but that's why we that's why us as fans we had that affinity bit noise all right he had the sure comments there's no question about that but we were also skimped by the way and I don't fucking want me to do anything but because he would say things that you were feeling straight talk we're too often now you're right it's like what I say to the players is like Silver said that the week I'm angry you know we should it's all come out today they know I'm angry they've seen it but what I say to you I'm calm which is fine but us as fans that's rather than no I don't buy it that was a disgrace that's the same as Martin the same as Martin that's happy happy face all the time it doesn't wash with fans this is what we did we did something on this last week on on the Tuesday topic on Peyton about having an identity yeah as a club and I and I think Jameen Jenis spoke about it on match of the day saying what are ever and now what have he and he's a he's absolutely right in ask to ask the question because as a fan and I think this is this is what we've lost since since we've lost Moise and I don't care whether people like Moise or don't like Moise I personally thought the man was brilliant for the club okay I ultimately knew that he was not going to win anything for us but as a but if you think about what he what he did that what he did what we're doing now it seems like you know it was good times but it was that idea that he knew how to tap into the fan base and knew what the the fan base wanted and sometimes knew what the fan base but no but sometimes he went against the fan base on papers almost to go I'll show you who's boss here and then when he got it right fucking used to take his remember we talked about this last week Anna Taby when Anna brought Anna Taby on and he scored and we all fans were moaning he took his coat off and started lashing it and people were like fair enough you know you've made us look like dickheads here but that's that that idea of going do you know what like city on city on wednesday if you've got a manager who's been around the club or there's people at the club who know how fans feel you will put change my guy in the team and you'd go I know you're not fit lad but get out there and fucking just get these fans on get these fans up that's what you sometimes that's all you need to do as a manager you forget about all your principles and what you want to do and you go just get out there and you fucking eat one of them and then you tell into it the next one you tell into the next one and you tell into them and not if I see fucking one of you it the same it I make two thousand a row you fucking add it you eat the next one you eat the next that's what that's what that's what shout-off managers do a lot of the time imagine Neil Warner he probably goes you know place would go for no I know he's not it's not a gay example but he's desperate for points so he goes you it's him you eat him don't eat the same man's right don't get booked if you do that's it you can't down for 10 minutes and left to someone else could you ever imagine that having a net ever no it's and that's exactly what's needed do you want to do that I do want to do that I would love James McCarthy to start Wednesday and just go just the first thing he does is not go through someone but just fucking get late just get into someone fairly and then everyone gets up then from the first minute where there's a goodness in at the moment it's just plop plop plop plop plop plop no taffles in there's no moments that get you excited the football I mean that let's get it right the football is shite as well forget about getting beat attack are attacking football is shite it's boring it's slow they showed on they showed on Saturday that you've got actually got good players they can make you know those four passes we make you can do that in one if you've got a good player and you you switch quicker than what we did we go boom boom boom boom oh it gets there Seamus Coleman let's go back again where the state just got plays in the field who just didn't even have the luck they knew they had runners on every time and they just played it over the top it's not only what we said they do last week because that's what they do played away they give it to Neves he switches it lights bright or left for a look on and they have the two wing backs coming in now on the angles but they've not changed that was what they done day one against us they were wide open day one and I told better teams it smashed them but they've stuck in and they've done brilliant you know one that we're right we've got our identity as us but as Evertonians I mean what I don't know what we want and I'm an Evertonian you see I go I watch every you know everything you look at it we all do you watch every minute you go to game and I don't know what we want do we want a team that plays passing football because that's what I'm not no no right so no it doesn't particularly listen to me it's not particularly needed right so what do you want what do you want as an Evertonian I want what do you want to see I honestly don't give them monkeys if we play passing football because I've watched it for the last for like passing football just asking you no I know but I've watched so do you want I want a mix one ball to a big donkey no I want a mix of everything they had a they had a problem number nine on Saturday playing for them everything stuck to but often they had a lovely little number 10 and jot it and it was a mix of both Wales so why can't we have that we've got it I don't I don't want to play on the side as points out as we didn't beated Cuman didn't have any style so basically Cuman's style was given to Le Cacu and hope that he scores I enjoyed that style yeah I enjoyed those 10 moments out of 11 yeah all I did was just I don't know I don't even want to think I think it was just bang it and hope for the best yeah yeah and Mark Ness was nine million passes to to go four-fourth and it was yeah five five thousand passes is more important than a goal that's it you know don't slow down yeah yeah yeah and it really was it depressed me and now I like the way we played in October and November this fella really did we were fast we were possessing the most in the final third we pressed the most we were getting the ball back I don't know where that's gone in two months that's evaporated to like you shite there's Mark Ness shite now it's just the style of playing yeah again I don't I'm not dead set on having a specific style of play I don't I don't give a shite if we win every single game one nil and the goal is just to scramble off a corner I don't care as long as we win or we get a positive result do you remember the season we finished fourth and the plays we played some of the way shite you've ever seen that Mark has bent just running around shites the shadows you also played some good football the way we played some good stuff when Graveson was there then when Graveson got off we had no game to play it well that's it but we did what we needed to do to win games with football that's all we did yeah we didn't we didn't know we didn't do anything for the sake of doing it there was a reason everything we did there was a reason for it yeah the reason why I'm asking is because people get stuck on styles don't they so you go home no well I don't like that kind of and you go well what is it then well you're right because that's what I like I'd like to see bit about I don't mind us playing a long ball and we've got a quick cycle running in behind get fans off the seat and when are you when are you last off your seat I bet you're on Saturday when they've all got flicked into tossing you didn't get off your seat because it was go home as they was doing something that I'm a feelers don't do running and smashing on in obviously when they left his foot we were off our seat but how many times when Everton break do you just you sit there and go this is going now is this going to develop when Walcott went through I was just like I didn't expect him to score but for Arsenal these issues you think they keep it there that was his trade man slid in think the goalie and it was a goal on Saturday a new was touched was terrible and then he hit to the and that's what I mean with Moey and again it's hard back to Moey's but I think what Moey's had right more than what the others have had had ever got right is there was that mix there was that mix of open arm and I got the crowd involved there was the balls coming into the box there was the great football with PNR and Bains there was Coleman riding down the other side he'd go long when he needed to up to Duncan or I need to be or the football under when we had Geekubu and Andy Jonson and Vaughan and Anity boss then too started and he'd take them off and bring two kids on and they'd be like fucking hell and everyone was like this is what we just didn't have enough of it that was all I let Moey's down and we've lost that with Martinis and we've certainly lost it since Rom's gone we haven't got someone to put the ball in the net so every other failing comes back doesn't it because you haven't got someone at the end of the pitch if you look at 1000 he runs around you go I really want it to work for him because he wants to do that for the sheath but he you know we haven't talked about their goal their set piece goal again you know Zonal non zonal whatever you want to say man man I can I knew that was in when the ball was in the end if you've got players like James Coleman who were still looking at the ball when the player he's not I'm not going to say whether he was marking or not but he was in his zone so it doesn't matter whether it was Zonal marking or man marking the fellow that is in your zone just wanders away because he knows where that ball is going and you're still just looking at that ball roots it to the spot you wonder why we can you know that's why we concede so many goals because players are just not alive to what's going to happen the two two minutes that ball's kicked I'm thinking if I was a player I'm thinking well we've held this line it's the time to make them offside they're not offside so move backwards instantly you know that was the biggest thing about playing at any level isn't it you hold your line try and get them offside but as soon as they're not offside you get back you get back and you you know James Coleman just stands there just stands there and it's Yarlison letting run past them so if you're stood by me or aren't stood by you you're marking me and I run surely you've got a time block me running you don't just go I'll just leave him and just hope he's offside you go when he's on the move and you stand in my way and if I shrug you off you go down the referee might give a free kick but at least you've halted my run a little bit yeah but if you just stand there and let me run what the f- what what will you do why are you leaving there and if you were mad and people can wind you about moan I'm like zonal and all that that's fine that's fine but even on a man-to-man it's Yarlison and Coleman and him and his by them so even if it was man-to-man he should have been looking so if you're man-to-man and you run you go with them anyway but neither of them did it they both just jumped with the photo after the ball the lad has jogged and just ended and you're like why haven't you done anything to stop that pattern of play yeah it blows your mind all that all that centre-off some little groggs as well what's the average height of that team they're about well don't know it's probably over six foot they're about six for five they're about a three cent but me the six five get into one he's six four or six four and two six two six three Gomez is not a little fella no I need to just um well there's four it's five eleven he's not tiny yeah Tolson's about five so there's five men say in that box as well as the goals he shouldn't be conceding heads of goals either no no and we've got so many groggs at the back at the back and we've got it is mine and that's just a ball into an area that's a float of ball that's a float of ball by the penalty what's the goal you should be doing better for that um I just told the question now because the question has been asked my worry is if the goalkeeper goalkeeper comes and doesn't get it yeah then you everyone goes what's the keeper to be honest Pickford shouldn't be having to make that spectacular decision no no and he won't because he yeah I've watched enough to know that he will he's getting told not to come off his line he's getting told don't you don't come anywhere because he's obviously not a massive massive goalkeeper yeah and people look they he'll have been told because I did if you look at it and it's very easy to say but Pickford if Pickford comes and gets that but Pickford will have to make up you know 12 yards there yeah essentially to win that ball and jump and and punch it and if he comes and the ball goes some he'll that's the way he's getting if he goes somewhere else it's an open goal so he'll he'll be getting told that stay on your line and if they win it you've got a better chance of saving it obviously yeah I think Pickford's got more a right to be pissed off about that goal more than anyone though because if I was him I'd be looking the fellas in front of me going why has he just had a free had it right in front of me yeah do you don't it's not like it's the ball's coming from over there it's gone over his head and like that it's right in front you saw the goal coming goal the ball's in the air that's just dead that's it wait where are you all we're getting to the point now where we're gonna have to start putting balls honestly for set pieces like everywhere we're gonna have to put two we're gonna have to put like two men honestly for that free kick on Saturday we if we put two men out there it might have stopped that ball coming in because he wouldn't be able to get the that's what we're gonna have to start doing because the message like you say before it's not sinking in no it is not sinking in I don't know what he wants but that's where I think if you've got a leader at centre back yeah a real leader who's been around the block I'd have Jags in the team right now but I think if you've got a leader he'd go to the manager and go this is not working yeah we can't do this and we need to change or something has to change or and when you've got that like then like when Moise had Neville yeah or yeah yeah Jags I suppose as well it's that it's that relationship with where you can go to the manager and go this is not working we need to do something and the manager would take that take that on board again those relationships haven't been formed yet or even the manager has brought one of his one of his own in you know you see that with some managers they bring a player in they know from somewhere else and he might not be the best player in the world but if they Martina Martina Liverpool but when me and Julio bought was a Julio bought fucking John Fier Ferry who was basically the the grass the manager snitch basically basically yeah yeah Neville um as Vandermeer said but that but sometimes sometimes you need that sometimes you need that to get that understanding yeah but we haven't got anyone at the club in the morning at the moment you imagine we're not well I just Mike I keep coming back to it every week as a player why aren't you thinking about the game why aren't you thinking this ball's coming in this him and Essy's day most day he's running I've got to run with him and put him off why why are you just why aren't you doing that what's me doing on the training ground yeah but as a player don't people every time you kick the ball every time you went and kick the ball or you kick a ball now if you'd have a game with your mate you don't wait for the bad someone watching to tell you to run I don't think that's a professional proposed way but I really don't I think the robots I don't think it's I don't think it's it's not getting reinforced in there well one thing when Silver came in that I liked at the time and I'm thinking where's what happened to all this remember when he was coming in oh he'll stop the training session and he'll tell people where to stand and if you're not doing this right he'll pull you out and he'll tell you off and say this is exactly what I want you to be doing but maybe that's this is what you this is what you need to be maybe I defend there's a waiting for the wait for it to come on basically what are you doing there's a like yeah what so I don't look at him think you said to me oh yeah in the week he got pulled three times and got told he's been standing in the wrong position I don't believe it it's like do you know what I mean yeah to manage it it doesn't it doesn't look like they're being told by the manager and if they are also it as you said it's clearly not registered also like I'd love to see the manager go what the fuck are you doing I told you three times I stopped again three times and told you you know what I mean like the managers yeah one of them in it just before I have to you want a seat I mean you know always one of the fed we just wanted the players going what the fuck are you doing like even if it was Pickford going what the fuck and grabbing hold of someone and going what are you doing yeah why why is your pick pickford did walk out after that he does yeah that's why I was saying pickford I'd more like to be annoyed than anybody except like why is he he has a three I just smashed the ball into the reef of the net I know these are things where people go what the instance does it make but it shows you some people actually care what is going on like not oh god I mean this is the problem you look at keen and you instantly understand what kind of person he is anxious he's an anxious timid man when it comes to playing football and that for me is not what what is required for what we I'm not saying you're not good I said a mixed season between up and down but what I'm saying is you look at doom and I don't need someone next to me you don't look at doom and go consumers very late back yeah you look at him and go you know he's just what he is you don't I want someone in set and I'll say it again I looked at Conor Cody for them and I thought that's exactly what we need there was one second half I don't know if it was still too long we got a free kick it was a decent ball but they won the first and it dropped to one of our players three of their players jumped in front of the ball dropped to Michael Keane jumped in front of the ball and made sure that ball went nowhere but out of the box and I was watching Cody later on because you know what else was there to do I was just watching him and the way he was they were going up the pitch with a times he was just dropping off having a little luck and then moving up again and just just it almost looked like he was waking out all the angles yeah like like going through all the scenarios in his head of what what could happen if this ball were here or there and just making sure that he could see all the they're like just dropping back seeing all the sight lines just little things like that just you scream intelligence just a little bit of intelligence and also just I'm looking for someone like Jamie Carragher who said he's going to do it tonight on which you'll be interested and I'm oh yeah yeah I tweeted him and he's tweeting me back saying I'm going to do it tonight so does that mean after what that shite bit in the middle never got back to me I'm not funny enough and I looked at him and I looked at him and I said defender and you just he's the kind of defender that wins your trophies every team needs a player like Dan who you might look at him and go you you ain't a good footballer but you but when you mouthy bastard but when you listen to him now you realise how intelligent he was as a footballer and how he knew his how he knew his his craft yeah and I just looked at husband exactly I remember a Derby way I can't remember what score it was but we were odds on to win odds on to score and he never gave up on it and he got back it hit him on the ass or something and I remember at the time thinking none of our plays would ever do that and I look at it now and I think the same thing we wouldn't have a player that the intelligence to understand that how a situation is breaking so we would get himself back on the line yeah you I said this well keen in the summer didn't I you can smell danger but that's that's all of our players that's not just him I think that's our whole defence that's not pro acting yeah good defenders smell danger they see scenarios waking out and they understand it's why we had people like David Weir who lasted as long as they could as long as they did Dave Watson stop all right they might get away with it now but he played till like they were 37 38 Distan Distan I'm a big fan he could probably still play that team got him they played the game so long and were leaders that they knew exactly football can only the ball can only break in so many places it can only it can only work in so many ways you know for player plays to say it in pass it can only go one way or the other we don't have that we just don't have any defenders you who grasp the concept look at them they bought one centre back and it's revolutionized the whole thing yeah because he understands where that ball is going to be at all times so he he becomes the magnet for that ball yeah so it's just our meat band gone and everyone else feeds off that so someone like Lovren instantly becomes a better defender because it's not him on him anymore he can do the other bits or you know Gomez looks brilliant for them because because he's got that stuff then three almost three years get that fans are still ripping him last Christmas look at company for city company's exactly same for city yeah when he wasn't in the team last year you look nervous as soon as you come back calm down and now all those players that played alongside them they've taken a little bit of that yeah taking a little bit of what he's got and now he's not required all the time it's we have it's hard it's hard to it's hard to it's hard to it's hard to could be meaner that player I hope he is that player but he's got to be given a chance doesn't he yeah I think meaner I think seriously meaner is that player yeah but I'm not saying he will like you know he definitely but I think he's that player that we've got at the club can come in get the basics of the Premier League get the basics of understanding you know is English and all the rest full of personality communicate yeah get his feet under the table that he can scream and shout at other people maybe he's a little bit too late back at times I mean we always you know he's a he's a foot we went to Finch Farm and he's he's got this tuxedo on and he's seeing her and he's laughing because he was doing a photoshoot for something and he was like don't tell anyone he's doing a photoshoot and he's and he's having a laugh about it and he's got trainees on and he's and I just I want them to just be like yeah I'll take the picture that'll look like that fuck off he was just dead nice every time he's seen he's dead nice we embrace that where I like I'm like he's one cunts but that doesn't matter as long as it's when he crossed the white line that's all that matters doesn't it if he crossed the white line and then you see them is he an asshole on the pitch well that's what I'm talking about fucking England Columbia he was yeah he was horrible he was horrible in that game the all that's what I want I want to see that meaner and that's the meaner I want to see that from everyone yeah I just want to see everyone being like that I just want to see I just want to see us defend proper I want to see it enjoy defending something again to keep it clean see I look the day back foreign they they didn't want anyone to score pass them you see that a lot of teams it does it look like it hates us no because we're just used to it now I love watching I've let it come into it because they just they love defending yeah that they love tackling they love getting it putting the foot in they love just booting the ball up and the air and seeing it and seeing it go miles away that's what I want to see the managers and their managers instilled that in them yeah that's such an important part of their game that it's it's you know you go to some places and you're like well we're already 2-0 down you know they go there and you think we've got a fight for to score a goal today I look at I like that's why I like the Huddersfield win last week because we got a bit of that last week yeah we looked like it mattered to keep it clean we were just welly in the ball away I don't mind that people will moan and go yeah if you want to pass it out from that I don't and I want to see me team defend where I want to pass it is on the edge of their box and create something I had no problem last week when we were smashing balls away because Huddersfield were like fuck so you've got to start again yeah and that's what's changed that Saturday tomorrow I'll just team back that's it they're getting the ball forward and bang it's gone it's back around and then you're having to chase it happened to us second half on Saturday yeah we had all that ball and every time we broke him in the box they just dealt it smashed all over again yeah again and then it started and it starts again and what it does is when you welly it down there it gives you a chance to get into shape get a breath yeah get your low block like they did make sure it doesn't happen get out there yeah throw it up yeah and you're like you know it's too often it's like no we'll pass it here we'll paddle transfer all you're in we're going away we're going away so that's what you know maybe it is this summer maybe it is and I've been I've defended Michael King but maybe in the summer if he makes you my permanent he look for another sense of back but you spoke long enough so now it's a session it's a session it's a therapy session therapy session should be charging to come in got the couch now the couch is bugle but you know all looks relaxed it's all good it does yeah still is it I like this couch it's comfy yeah it is sure there you go me my sense of best there you'll have it there's no use thoughts in the comments any we spoke of big thanks to Paul Paul where can we see you and listen to you give yourself a plug I'll do the fanjory for the apple oh yeah I'll give that a plug forget that oh give me a twitter out because you get weird old westam fans they love the driver they don't think westam fans see I get weird I just get weird everything I had Liverpool fans on this character thing yeah tweeting me and character going we're the best defense in the league why do you need to talk about us why does everything have to be about them I got westam fine saying we won the well cup but he did they won the well cup but then they only think that but then the old so I said I said that and rule that one but then went down very well but they did win the well cup but then in 1970 they stole those that jury in Bolivia so you know both ways doesn't it where's your face where's your face where's both ways there you go all those are your thoughts we'll see you later