 It's time for the Lawn Jean Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour, brought to you every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. A presentation of the Lawn Jean Wittner Watch Company, maker of Lawn Jean, the world's most honored watch, and Wittner, distinguished companion to the world honored Lawn Jean. Good evening, this is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Lawn Jean Chronoscope? Mr. William Bradford Huey, editor of the American Mercury, and Mr. Henry Haslett, contributing editor of Newsweek Magazine. Our distinguished guest for this evening is the right honorable Richard G. Casey, Australian Minister of External Affairs. Mr. Casey, of course, Australia has many friends in our audience tonight because many of us were down in Australia during the war. And you, of course, are the Australian Foreign Minister who's been here for the meeting of the United Nations. Tonight, sir, I'm sure that our viewers would first like your comment on the resignation of Mr. Trig Valley as Secretary General of the UN. What significance do you see in this, sir? Well, Mr. Huey, it was a most dramatic moment this afternoon when Mr. Trig Valley announced his resignation from the Secretary of Generalship. It was quite an emotional moment, too. He directed a good deal of what he had to say towards the Communist Russians, Mr. Vashinsky, and his friends. Well, had the Russians forced him out? Well, there's been bad feeling, you know, between the Russians and Mr. Trig Valley. In fact, Mr. Vashinsky the other day referred to him as the man who calls himself the Secretary General. Well, do you regard this as a blow to our side in the UN, the resignation of Lee? No, I don't really think so. It's an extraordinary difficult task, you know, being Secretary General of immense gatherings such as this. As the resignation anything to do or will it have any effect on our chances for achieving peace in Korea? I don't really think it's got much relationship to that, you know. We've been giving our minds in a few hours since this happened to wondering how we're going to get another Secretary General. Is there any guessing on who that might be? Well, yes. There are certain people, I think, that would not be reluctant to be asked to be Secretary General. But the difficulty is, you see, that the Security Council has got to be unanimous about it, which means the Russians have got to agree. They have the veto power on them, Secretary General. So it likely will be someone from a fairly neutral area, like Sweden or something of that sort. I should think certainly from one of the smaller countries, you know, countries that are not directly involved in the to and fro of this business. Well, Mr. Vashinsky made another one of his long speeches there today, sir. Have you had any opportunity to observe Mr. Vashinsky? I'm sure that our viewers would like a reaction from you on that stormy character. Yes, indeed I have. Both last year when the United Nations was held in Paris and this year Mr. Vashinsky's period of speaking seems to be to vary between two hours as the lower limit and four hours as after the present the upper limit. It's quite an interesting study, I think, because he appears to me to be doing everything possible to increase international tension by what he says and not to decrease it. The minds, of course, work completely differently to ours. We say what we've got to say, what's in our minds. And that at the moment is doing everything possible towards getting a ceasefire and career. We don't try and make debating points. The thing is too serious for that. Is there anything personal about this attitude on his part or is he simply following orders from Moscow and can't do anything else? Oh, and I think he wouldn't object to my saying that he's really the mouthpiece of Moscow and I think he's got to speak as directed. What would be the purpose of these four hour speeches? Simply propaganda against the United States? Oh, certainly. Oh, yes. Oh, quite certainly. I mean, they do definitely regard this United Nations as the best and cheapest propaganda platform in the world. The chief purpose of your meeting now is to try to make a peace in Korea, is try to get a truce in Korea, is it not? Oh, certainly. What progress have you been making in that? Well, it's almost like asking what progress a hen makes in laying an egg. There's not much progress until the egg is laid. And in this case the egg is an agreement between the outside, the United Nations side, the United States side, and the Communists on their side as to the conditions of dealing with the prisoners of war. It's narrowed itself down to the prisoners of war problem. I'm sure that our viewers would like just a straight out prediction from you, Mr. Casey. How do you feel about our chances for getting a ceasefire? Are you hopeful? Well, to be put this way, we've got to assume that the other side wants to see it into the fighting in Korea. I mean, if they don't, well, the fighting goes on. There's no doubt about that. So we've got to make it at the assumption, whether it's true or not, that the Communists want a ceasefire in Korea. Otherwise, all these talk is just completely beside the point. We're prepared, I'm quite sure, to be reasonable in the matter. All we say is that the prisoners of war should individually have the right to say whether they are going to be repatriated to their own country or somewhere else. Well, there's no disposition to yield on that point. Well, I think that's a basic principle with us. It's a simple humanitarian principle, I think. There's nothing further that the United Nations can yield on, is there? No, because it's everything else. All the other factors to bring about a ceasefire have already been agreed. That's the one single outstanding point that we talk endlessly about that. Well, much has been said in our own country about the upcoming visit of General Eisenhower to Korea. Now, sir, how do you feel about that? Do you think that some good might be served, might come from that visit? Oh, yes, indeed. I can very well imagine General Eisenhower wanting to go to Korea. After all, he'll see all the top people on our side. If he goes there, he'll get their views. He'll see the terrain, what the countryside is like. He'll see the South Koreans. He'll meet Shingman Rhee. And he'll gather a very great deal of information that will enable him, I think, to deal with the problem when he assumes the presidency, I think, with a very much greater knowledge. I know, sir, that you would be extremely reluctant to comment on our internal politics. But I wonder if you could give us an answer on this. General Eisenhower has been associated most of his career with Europe. Now, are you people in the Pacific fearful that we will neglect the Pacific area under Eisenhower presidency? No, I don't think so at all. Personally, I'm not at all anxious on that score because General Eisenhower, beyond anything else, he knows world strategy and world tactics, and I think one can be very sure that he'll sum up that situation and realize that the world is one whole, and it's no good winning the Cold War or the Hot War in Europe and leaving the other side of the picture, the East, leaving it out of account. I'm sure he'll get a balanced conception of both sides of the picture. What do you think General Eisenhower can do in Korea that hasn't already been done? Oh, I think, mainly, his purpose would be going, I've no means of reading his mind, but I should think he'd go there to inform his own mind, to get the views of the people, your senior generals and many others, who've been in close contact with this problem there for nearly a couple of years. If I were in his place, I would certainly want to go there. Well, assuming the Chinese communists don't at present want to cease fire, isn't there some kind of pressure that could be put on them in a military way to make them want to cease fire? Some threat that could be used. Well, yes, I wouldn't be prepared offhand to suggest what it might be, but I think if I would be reasonably sure that General Eisenhower would be able to discover what extra pressure could be put on them, and he'd do that, I think, much more easily by a visit there. On that point, sir, of course, Australia has been a rather valiant ally of ours in two wars. Now, how do the Australians feel about the war in Korea? Are you one of our reluctant allies in Korea, or do you think the war has been worth fighting? Well, of course, war is a pretty unpleasant business at any time, and wherever it is. But we've been in it right from the beginning with infantry and naval vessels and air squadrons, and we believe that it's been essential to combat aggression in Korea, because if Korea had not been immediately tackled in the way that it was tackled, very largely, of course, by yourselves, then we believe that the communists would have quite certainly broken out in some other place, and maybe under even worse conditions than the war in Korea. I believe in fact that, as I say, although war is a very unpleasant process, wherever it is, that it's been essential to fight this war in Korea. Are you fearful of what may happen in Japan, of the resurgence of Japan? Well, we people in Australia certainly are a bit anxious about the possibility of the revival of militarism in Japan, because we, like you, have suffered from Japanese militarism in the past, but we certainly agree with you that we've got to do everything possible to try and keep Japan in the democratic camp, not let us slide off onto the communist side. To do that, we've got to, I think, all of us help her to become a normal economy again, a normal country. Well, Mr. Casey is a final question I'd like to ask you about the status of the Pacific Pact now. Well, the Pact, the ENZUS Pact, we call it ANZUS. That's a treaty in being. We had our meeting at Honolulu with Mr. Anderson and my New Zealand colleague and myself three or four months ago, and the military discussions are going on now. The planners are meeting there. It's a Pact in being and we're extremely grateful and glad for its existence. I can assure you. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Casey, for being with us tonight. 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