 Πρέπει να παρακολουθήσει το σημερινό σημερινό βάτυο. Αυτό was great on achievement. Λοιπόν, τώρα είχα. Λοιπόν, εγώ σημερινό σημερινό have assignments in universities or tasks or projects to complete and they need to use specific software that they need to buy. So what do they do? If they cannot afford it, sometimes they use pirated software. So they become pirates. But that's illegal. That's an illegal thing. We don't want that. We don't want to convert students to pirates. We want to present them with free and open source software alternatives, not just phrase in freedom, but also as in free beer. So we need to keep both of these perspectives in mind. So, another thing is that students are tied to closed source software. Once they start using it, they're tied to that. They keep using it for years. They buy the next version of the software and they just keep buying it all over the time. So, there are some cases where software companies, they offer software to students for free as, let's say, university evaluations or education evaluations. They offer it for free, but they don't do that because they are philanthropists. They don't want to help people. They want to gain new users because these people, they will get the software for free when they are students. But once they grow up, they will have to buy it to be used in their work or in home. So, what they are doing is, they try to gain new users by providing free evaluations to students. Another thing, students related to ICT studies such as computer science or software engineering or whatever, anything related to ICT, they don't have the chance to see how closed source software operates because they cannot access the source code. But with free and open source software, they can do that because they have access to the source code, they can view the code, they can become better developers, they can do that stuff. And last but not least, another point is that education is about sharing of knowledge for free to everyone. But closed source software is opposed to that. It's kind of opposed. And for that, I would like to quote Richard Stallman in one of his interviews. He said a small story. He said imagine a classroom where there are lots of students inside it. In a free and open source ecosystem, there would be the student who would share those candies and he would share those candies with his friends. But on the other hand, on a closed source ecosystem, that wouldn't be possible. There would be the teacher who would say, hey, Michael, you brought those candies for yourself, you bought them, but you're the only person that needs to own those candies. You cannot share them with your friends, sharing is piracy. You're being a pirate, you're being illegal. You cannot do that. So that was quite an interesting story that he said. So definitely free and open source software deserves a huge place in education. Now, more specifically, regarding Fedora, so I would like to talk a bit about the do-spin or the do-remix, whatever we end up producing or whatever we end up discussing. So what about the do-remix or the do-spin? Imagine that we could build a custom Fedora environment to be used in education. And that environment would include definitely apps for any use. For example, a web browser, an office productivity suit, a media player, all basic software that students need to use. But it would additionally include other apps such as KDI2, for example. Most of you should have heard of it, right? No? Okay, yeah, cool. The KDI2 project includes lots of educational-related applications to be used by students in different stages of education. So this software should be available to be adopted and used in no stages of education. So that's at least primary education, secondary education and tertiary education, tertiary-spot secondary. Every teacher and student should be able to customize it to their own needs, so we definitely need to provide instructions on how to do that. What are the benefits of that? What do students gain and what also we could gain by providing a custom Fedora environment like that. So first of all, zero cost, okay? They don't need to buy it. That's a good thing for the students because they end up with good quality software that they can use for free to be productive in their school environments or at home. It's safe for them. I mean, it's an out-of-the-box distro that requires minimal customization and can be used instantly and they don't need to install additional software for protection. For example, most of the students currently, I mean, they have to buy other kinds of software such as security software. Antivirus software, firewalls, stuff like that in Microsoft Windows. So they don't need to buy additional software by using Fedora or any Linux distro in general. Another thing is that the wins will get rid of all those crappy software that are bundled with OEM Microsoft Windows installs. So that's a good thing. It's stable because, as I said, okay, it's kind of stable because, as I said, it just works out of the box. They have to do minimal customizations and it can be portable. I mean, imagine having a portable Fedora educational environment that any student can use in a vacation. For example, they can have a Fedora Live USB stick with their custom Fedora environment with all their apps and their data. And for example, when they visit the computer laboratory in their schools, they can just plug it in. They can use it. And when they go home, they can have the same Fedora environment with them everywhere they go. How cool is that? I mean, for students, that would be very, very handy. It's innovative because, as you may know, in Fedora, we are always six months ahead of other distros. It's one of our four foundations, its features. We always make sure to include all the latest advancements in the Linux world we're always ahead of others. So we provide them with innovative software that they can use. Full customizable. As I mentioned earlier, they should be able to customize it to tailor it to their own needs. So it does exactly the kind of computing they want. And it's backed by the community. So if they run into any problems and if they need support, we would be there to help them. But what are we now? Are we covering education? What are we doing to provide a specific Fedora environment for education? So basically what we have now is SOAS, which is super anaesthetic, I guess, okay, I see an XO laptop over there, perfect. But SOAS is mostly for preschool education. It's for young children, okay? Maybe until, I don't know, 11 years old, let's say, maximum. I mean, not more than that. And on the other side, we also have Fedora Scientific, provided by Fedora Labs. It could be a spin, but now it's called... It's a spin, but it's part of Fedora Labs. So we have the scientific spin, but this is mostly for tertiary education. It's for university students. And more specifically, it's for scientists. It's for people that want to use science-related tools, okay? What we used to hear is FEL, the Fedora Electronic Lab, also another Fedora spin. But again, this was mostly for tertiary education. It was for university students. And it was for people that wanted to use open tools to design hardware. So even a more specific target group. So as you can see, there is a huge gap. I mean, currently we just cover preschool education and tertiary education. So we need to make sure that we cover other stages of education as well. So what can we do about that? As I said, make sure that we should try to cover as many stages of education as possible. We need to help all kinds of students. We should not focus on specific target groups. We need to help everyone. We want everyone to benefit from our actions and from our products, from our open products. So, an idea would be, as I mentioned, to produce a spin or a remix that can be used in all stages of education inside and outside the classroom, okay? And even if we brainstorm and we agree not to do that, at least we should provide some simple and straightforward instructions for people that want to build their custom Fedora environments, okay? Currently, I mean, there are a few wiki pages describing how someone can create his own or her own Fedora remix, but this is a bit technical. This is not very straightforward. I mean, someone who's a big technical person should do that. Not everyone can do that. So it would be a very good idea if we can at least provide some good instructions so that everyone can do that. Okay. And now to the whole topic for today. That's not working, so... Now for the whole topic of today about the Campus Abastros Program. So, what about it? What was the Campus Abastros Program? Because it was. Currently, it doesn't exist in practice. So, the Fedora Campus Abastros Program focused on spreading the word of Fedora in schools and universities in all places of the world, okay? And it was connected to the larger Fedora Abastros Program and if someone wanted to become a Fedora Campus Abastros she or she had to previously become a fully-vetted Fedora Ambassador. So, there was that condition. But the thing is that it never worked out. It's currently dead. And the whole initiative it got stuck in its formally stages. I mean, there wasn't any final structure for it. There's just a few wiki pages about the program, but nothing was finalized. So, it got stuck there and it never progressed. So, I believe it's important to see more Fedora in schools and I also believe that we need a specific set of ambassadors to do that. So, what I would like to propose to you today is that we should consider bringing the Campus Abastros Program back to life. And for that, I would like to propose a few changes to the structure. So, first of all, think of the word Campus. What does it make you think of? Campus. The school or the university or college. So, the word Campus it makes you think of colleges and universities mostly. So, the first thing I would like to propose that we should change is changing the name from Campus Abastros to Synda Abastros. So, this is a much broader term, students. It's applicable in all states of education and we want to have ambassadors from different states of education. We shouldn't only focus on universities. We also have to include high schools, for example. So, another thing would be that the new program would be no longer connected to the larger Abastros project. It should be a different thing. A completely different thing. So, there shouldn't be a requirement that someone should be an existing Fedora ambassador in order to become a student ambassador, okay? Students, our young people, we need to give them a break. I mean, they don't need to know everyone. They should possess some specific knowledge about the distribution and the community as a whole in the project. But they do not need to be experts. We just want to empower people that want to be representatives of Fedora in their schools. So, we shouldn't propose very tough requirements for those students. They definitely need to possess some knowledge about us, about the distribution because they won't be their representatives, but they don't need to be experts. So, how are we going to do that? Students, of course, will go through a mentoring process. We'll have mentors to make sure that they meet specific criteria before becoming a student ambassador. So, the students will be accepted once the mentor feels that the student is ready to become a student ambassador, okay? Mentors will be connected to their mentors at all times. This is not happening in the current ambassador's program. I mean, I've had so many years to speak to my mentor and I feel bad about that for something related to Fedora. So, what happens in the current Fedora ambassador's program is that there isn't any direct mentor and mentor relationship. So, we need those young student ambassadors to feel like they're connected to the project and that they always have a person to support them if needed, okay? So, there will be a mentor tied to a mentor. That's how it's going to work in a good way. Of course, the mentors would be able to provide their mentees with new contribution opportunities as they see fit and those students can explore more contribution opportunities inside the project and they can even become fully-invited ambassadors at some point once they are ready for it. Sure, we want to end up with... We want student ambassadors to become fully-invited ambassadors. That's perfectly fine. We definitely want that. Another thing would be to bring it back to the Fedora classroom. Do you guys remember the Fedora classroom? A few people only. So, the Fedora classrooms were IRC sessions sheltered by experienced community members mostly experienced community members about different topics, about the distribution or the whole project. Okay? So, new contributors could explore new opportunities inside the project and they could learn new things. The last time we had the Fedora classroom I think was back in 2011. So, no one else has been holding IRC Fedora classrooms since then. That's a quite bad thing. Fedora classrooms, I think they will work very well in their student ambassadors program if we decide to revive that. And another thing would be that maybe, maybe we should consider bringing back the Fedora scholarship. Anyone knows the Fedora scholarship, the program? Okay. So, the Fedora scholarship program brought it one high school senior each year for his or her contributions towards the project. And that was a good way to motivate students to do more stuff for Fedora and also to reward one person each year. So, there was one recipient who received $2,000 every year for his university enrollment. And it's not up to me if we should bring it back to life, bring this Fedora scholarship back to life the sponsor was Red Hat so it's up to Red Hat to do that but I'm just I'm just having an idea but we should reconsider that. Okay? By the way, the last time there was a Fedora scholarship it was back in 2012 since then, it no longer exists. So, moving on. So, let's say that we have a super post fracture. Let's see what those student ambassadors could do a few possible activities that they could do at their schools. So, first of all maybe the first thing that comes to mind is to give a talk or conduct a workshop about Fedora, either technical or non-technical. It would depend on the student, on the skills that the student has and will also depend on the audience. Okay? So, that's the first thing that comes to mind. Another thing would be to invite someone else to speak maybe a more experienced ambassador or a more experienced Fedora contributor in general. Okay? Host a Fedora install first. They can organize install first in their schools, in their campuses and they can help other students to install Fedora on their machines and they can answer questions they can troubleshoot if they have any problems, they can do this kind of stuff. Another cool thing would be to maintain a Fedora powered computer laboratory. So, these students these student ambassadors could consult the professors or the teachers or the computer laboratory supervisors, depends on their school and they can see if it would be possible to have Fedora powered computer labs. I mean, that's very cool. I would love to see schools using Fedora on their machines. Another thing if there is some good Fedora presence inside the campus or inside the school they should consider organizing a meetup for the local community. Okay? When a new version of Fedora comes right in they could also have release parties in their schools and last but not least there is always the possibility to have a fund a Fedora activity day but even if for some reasons but because having a fund implies there needs to be some actual contribution towards the project there need to be some metrics for the project even if they cannot do a Fedora activity day they can just have a day dedicated to Fedora with presentations and workshops and they can call it a Fedora day let's say or Fedora weekend if it's two days. Okay? So, these are a few possible activities there is always room for more just putting a few ideas there but these ideas were also proposed for the campus ambassador program Okay? But, okay so far we have a new proposed structure and we also have a few possible ideas that student ambassadors can do but how do we begin? First of all we should let the Fedora community know Okay? We need to post mailing lists and that's for feedback and for new ideas and we definitely need to discuss a lot between us and brainstorm put ideas on the table and finalize come with a new structure for the program and finalize it, okay? and subsequently we should update existing content of the weekend and create a new one if needed then the next step would be to invite existing Fedora ambassadors who are also students for example me, okay? or experienced ambassadors in general to join that program either student ambassadors we definitely need mentors to get going with this we need people who can lead the project, the initiative Okay? and then it's obvious that we need to start planning activities in schools and try to recruit students as student ambassadors Okay? Now a few words about the university initiative Okay? Although I'm not the expert for this So what about it? It's called the university involvement initiative and if you read the Fedora magazine frequently you would have noticed that it's one of the current 12-18 month community objectives and this proposal was approved by the Fedora Council and the description says that it aims to increase Fedora's exposure in university environments particularly in engineering universities but unfortunately I mean I don't have much info on this I think Ren you are working with that right? So there is a ticket in the Fedora Council track and there is also a wiki page but I mean it's not very obvious it's not very clear do we have any progress on that how is this going? Could you please serve some more info maybe? Sure, so during the council session there's going to be a two-part session tomorrow morning and each of the council members are going to be reporting back on the objectives that are being delivered I'll be giving a quick presentation on what's happening at the Fedora Education and University Initiative there but TLDR there are a few specific universities that Fedora is working closely with right now including RIT here in Rochester which is a big reason why the flock bid came through as well as it did and we also have programs and co-op programs that we've done along with some of the code and a few other initiatives but this is something that is going to ramp up as we get into the school year the first install fests that we have planned are going to be around software-free today and we've already got at least two schools that are signed out and hopefully we'll get a few more before September but there's a lot more to come and I don't want to take up the whole time on the thoughts so you keep going It's okay, I'm almost ending we are almost at 30 minutes so far so that is basically my presentation but that would be the time for discussion let's brainstorm let's hear a few ideas I have a few comments to make and a few questions also if you can go back a few of the slides which one? what are the campus ambassador things this one? just go back one more maybe come forward one more for more serious I just wanted to ask you do you remember anything or do you know the things which went ahead when we talked about campus ambassadors and how the thing happened at that time so the background history one of the things happened was by the time we started the federal ambassador program after a couple of years we started discussing the campus ambassadors and the discussion was up and maybe we wanted to do that and we saw that a few other projects and companies also started their ambassador program and one of them was SUN so I guess I'm a writer from India and I'm a federal ambassador from 2006 in India so I'm talking from the India point of view so we saw many people coming mostly students, 99% coming back to us writing to federal in India is asking them to become ambassadors and I saw this campus ambassador page and it was very nice to continue to federal so that was the line anyway so then we figured out like how these lines are coming up and then figured out like few companies are throwing up a lot of money and just calling people like people who have no clue about the project and just like you can still become an ambassador and go everywhere and the students were really really attracted and interested in it because of the other goodies rather than the project itself and so that's where it started dangling and we had like these huge cards going up and then there's a huge drop because then we had a long discussions over what we were doing and then we came up with ideas like ok these people should do minimal of this much of thing and they should understand at least this much of the project and so and then there are few countries like in India if you go to the Amnistarism program there's a particular message written that they expect students to actually work on part of the project first and then become an ambassador but later on but we managed to create a little bit of bar to enter into the Amnistarism program but things happened was after that was like the one other project which actually does exactly all these things is Mozilla the platform studio ambassador but I don't know how much it shows but you may have seen it but they have a huge base number of ambassadors into the platform studio ambassador program and the only thing they can talk about is that platforms is great because it depends on the region your experience maybe but it's it depends on the region with the most of the regions there are obviously good students who are doing stuff but whenever they become that they just elevate themselves to the next level and start contributing to the whole project itself but one of the major problem they were that we couldn't only focus on those two or three or four students in any one single region but everyone wants to become an ambassador so that whole thing is at least for Asia that's what we said particularly on that region it's a horrible mess we can't perform Mozilla in that side everyone is almost an ambassador or a rex but they don't understand the project at all so that's a big question from my point of view is like how to handle those things because you've said let's say the student mentor the relationship we make sure that the mentor the mentees should reply back like send an email with all the updates they did once in a week and then we have at least once in a week we make sure that they come to the IRC meetings we make sure they are part of the community rather than someone who wants to be getting into the community so what is your thought about those things how we want to handle those kind of changes as I said there needs to be a mentoring process so we can't just let everyone in we need to propose a few criteria for students that want to become student ambassadors there will be maybe there will be interviews we just call them ambassadors they can just become ambassadors rather than being the students we don't necessarily need them it's a bit tough for some young people to become full of ambassadors it's not an easy process but the question is when we say ambassadors, the world we are talking to the people who are representing your brand so they should be at least some level that they can represent the brand anywhere say in their college or outside any place but how we want to make sure that that bar is there the people who are representing the project should know about the project that was ok that's my question to everyone of you basically not for you but in general if you also make sure that the students or the people who are calling them ambassadors how we want to propose we want to be sure that these people are at least know what they are talking about but it's not something different in Fedora than it does in most other places I'm a academic I spent a lot of time in the added tower organizing with students and when other programs like Adobe for instance has campus ambassadors and what that means is that Adobe will give you a bunch of free stuff to give away to other students for free and to just cheerleave the product it is a product of evangelism whereas ambassadors in Fedora so when we talk to students about ambassador programs that term isn't just for Adobe that's for Microsoft that's for any other software ambassador is an understood and established term it means product evangelist possibly paid and possibly with another position waiting for you when you're done doing it they're highly coveted because they're on campus jobs they're very fluffy and they're easy for students to get extra money and extra perks when you use the word ambassador that's what that means on many campuses in the US I'm not sure about other places but it is exactly the same thing we're talking about this as we're talking about changing the name something that doesn't have to carry this project it's perhaps something like community mentor or something something that implies more of what it is than what it is when ambassador program was not developed when it started but it was more of the people who were already doing the same work what we expect from an ambassador and we just started like oh you should call yourself now an ambassador from Fedora and you should present it to more in a forward way the problem is that the word ambassador we went in the same way whereas students at a university think when the ambassador has the guy that hands out the free copies of Adobe Photoshop yep so most of the students who used to come down we still get the emails because of the wikipages they go I want to become an ambassador and most of the time in India I know that it comes up only because they want to write it down in their resume and the persons that they send their resumes also along with the email and it already contains that they are a ambassador of this ambassador of this these things also and I also want to become by the way a Fedora ambassador I mean we found it but it's a big difficult to maintain as a community and that's why we pulled the bar and thanks to the ambassador at that time they also understood that we need to pull up the bar at least few regions where we had like anywhere else in Fedora land it's very easy to become an ambassador but it's not that easy in India so when we give them a default I get almost like 6 months to become part of the community because then when you are part of the community you will always be recognized as an ambassador anyway it's just a feat it doesn't matter so becoming part of that ambassador thing was much more important So we don't necessarily want students to think like you can't put this on your resume like that's the number one reason why our students get involved and we do have a lot of free software right so we are we do have a lot of the best parts of why you want to be a student ambassador whether the name is a good fit or not I think that the real issue a lot of it is that the unified messaging and there are different people who use software for different reasons and even on the council initiative focusing on engineering universities is a narrow focus but we are a Linux sister and we have a lot of devs but broadening out that base a little bit too is an important way to reach out in universities because a lot of the it's harder to do on a campus but we've seen a lot of a lot of new ground to be made with disciplines like design and new media and web development that aren't the hard CS and IT that when we get folks from those disciplines particularly game design is another good one and the places where students are most excited to do this new media development happens on the web and there's a lot of culture that is not the best fit where academia is going where students are applying to these type of programs and figuring out where we can tell that story so that we can say there's a place for gamers and there's a place for designers and there's a place for other new media and new types of disciplines that are related to computing that is a message that as a distro we haven't spun up yet that is a new story that even universities are still trying to figure out how to spin up too because it's changed so fast So that can be a really good chance that you can jump on this round if we target the teachers itself we can make a really good noise and we did this in Hungary actually we have an open source lab at Sega and we have a claim to professors mathematician professors and we inspire them to create a new spin favorabase and there is an unpublished still underpallage mathematical mathematical spin that actually containing teaching with mathematics and programming and stuff but this is one of the human blood So that's actually a question I wanted to ask which was why spin because to me that says we're missing an opportunity with the workstation because that really is part of its goal is to be a mechanism for getting actual work balance it's not just meant to be a workstation but but all about making sure that whatever it is we want to do it's always going to get some actual something an actual substance done workstations from where you do it and if we're defaulting to well our education needed to be in a remix or a respin then something is missing and to me it would be really important to talk about what it is that is missing first because jumping to a respin is probably a very heavy weight effort for what might just be something that might be solvable in the workstation I want to just add to your point actually maintaining a spin is very difficult like creating a spin is easy but if you have to know keep maintaining the spin and make sure that everything is updated when you're getting instruction and stuff so it's much easier if we can make like right now we have workstations before we have the Fedora UVD we have the standard installation and maybe on top of it like there was a talk in this year's but for a few days I don't know if anyone actually watched it it's called Vegeta project so that's actually a very poor village school where we got 5-4 computers donated and completely running on Fedora the only thing we changed was actually installed the local language and so Fedora was running in Bengali the mother came there and that school, the whole school student everything got totally changed they got a total makeover for only one single project it was a huge success because before that nobody in India at this school level used Linux like that and I just to add a point for rainy if you go to any Indian engineering colleges almost 90% chance you'll find Fedora running on their college labs so it can be maybe you are looking to that side also because we know that if you have engineering colleges that will be either real or Fedora and in this case it's mostly Fedora it's like maybe you should be going for training so that might be an entry point but not just an entry point but we should probably be talking about about the entry point of strategy and use cases and use that to build materials for doing labs and other things actually I think the federal labs brought would be the best way to say that this is the engineering spin or set ups that we can install in group install about the work standard if it's easy to make sets of packages that actually provide to you tools that each of you provides electric power whatnot so yeah maybe just add some playbooks maybe for you but these are very powerful installs too yeah but I think that we already have used them in a group set so I need if I need a set of tools from this group or this group why not can I make a group that actually can hold my stuff so from this software I can say to me let's just use our defaults to talk about the workstation to me that would be better if your own software contains you know it has categories we just say ok mathematics category if you have a patient with mathematics it's installed oh wait we already have that so again I ask why we're talking about remixes if there are individual things that are causing us to those things and make sure that all of our marketing materials show how easy it is to install the mathematics lab or the certain design tool directly from your own software that's perfectly fine that's why there are two options for that either we did the remixes or at least we provide some instructions for people to customize their environments so yeah that will definitely work out but we also want to maintain separate spins we have only one place where the screens were used only one place the places where we do not have good bandwidth that's the only place but that's just one place but these days when we can actually fix it up most places we have bandwidth somewhat that's the only place where the screens actually help but all other places they have the standard Fedora and then just install the packages you need there are mechanisms we can use to show we can write up documentation everything is all good other than that everything else we can do with the standard Fedora I'm not disagreeing with you I think here sorry I know that one of the other council objectives is modularization looking at brains or next steps like the ENVs and stacks paradigm or is that not a good idea I think we did the actual packaging to get things into the most software and the stacks but I think a lot of this is actually only there and maybe just needs a little bit of polish but I think it would be a good idea to integrate all of these but actually you know you can install the NPM the normal LRPM and the extended ones and there is also the NPM so the JavaScript part and why not so having that very different topic I'm not having it sorry but that will go very fast you might as well be a little more comfortable say a lot of things but actually a high school you don't want some mechanical keyboard but someone actually has a whole bunch of exos here if you really are interested you can potentially keep your hands on one but in general or all of these you ran into trouble or I didn't actually loom all of this you have to consider the entire environment you can't just build something hope everyone could come to it and tend to work and think we're old and see it also running a lot of trouble a lot of groups have mandated programs a lot of especially US style schools or other schools which have mandated programs videos online applications they're trying to access they don't work in Pagora often outright require windows things like Adobe Shopway things like that which don't have an outright one but they don't necessarily run even your own spin disk at schools especially when we're enterprising at work style things we have centralized control over the network and we want to have a good idea what's going on on it and schools with Linux I actually have the office experience OPC currently is all going to a bunch of LTS as best as we can tell publicly because that is what these school districts are doing they're software very hard to maintain so they're just they're tired of having to jump everything up they just want to be on an LTS build and leave it at that just briefly in ecology this combines a way out of ecology at this point my experience is ambassadors from Microsoft things tend to be very old age I would think you would want to necessarily if there is an open source group or a school meal to work on that and to work with that to create your own fedora ambassador separate from it about the Microsoft specific software that's the point of having a USB they can still use windows you're not going to replace windows on schools but I'm saying these they're not necessarily already permitted to have an USB you may need schools and colleges they're going to allow that they're cool there's none in the lab but if you're doing an error you see maybe everybody you can get on a network with it it's in general but if it's like a school book property they may have managed it you can only run this maybe you have the whole laptop and you know certainly those won't get the school contract first what we need to do is we need to find the locations that we need to use them to prove out that this is a network and that the students that come out of school this experience succeed compared to their peers and we need to make sure that happens and once we can demonstrate that that is the case then we start to have the g-browsers those places that can urge it that are so Microsoft centric basically we're going to find the Greenfield School which are already being furnished but we're trying to find the schools that are amenable to alternatives and the schools that are just outright hostile are not the right ways to start they're the ones that will only be convinced by other successes basically we're going to have five schools that are interested in potential alternatives there's a lot of schools in general they see first oil and Microsoft but that's what they want because they don't want you to grow something like yours they want the apple what everyone else has My years ago I would absolutely agree to that but you know that the world at this point is moving very heavily towards a strongly Linux based cloud environment with a lot of the jobs out of college now are going in that direction and then even Microsoft are starting to catch up they're terrifying as your strategy but I think this is kind of an opportunity point where we have to be able to say hey develop on your deployment target we have a moment in the industry where we might be able to strike that balance and get in while that major paradigm is happening and I think we need to do that the important thing I think that we are used to and Fedora moving into the additions we're trying to differentiate different ways that people can use for different reasons and then having the release cycles that reflect that that is sort of the way that we need to think about schools because though a lot of schools in the US are similar all of them have very different political realities and some schools are very much open to experimentation and some of them just will not have and I've even seen schools that are amenable to it have one C level executive change and then the entire policy changes underneath them where my students used to have group on our hardware and that's not a lot of people and I've been told that that's a university level policy and I've been told that students aren't about to run their own web servers on their own hardware anymore on campus network which was not the case even 3 years ago so things can change really fast and they are very different between schools so even if we come up with unified tool sets and unified strategies those are going to work differently depending on which environment you are in and you will always need a local person on the grounds of that at least one faculty member hopefully tenured who has the ability to be able to withstand the political pressure and move things forward and there are different ways externally that you can go and intern but there is an academia session alone doing outreach on campuses and that is not no time for that right now but I really need all of your help this is one of the most well attended sessions that I've seen and if I'm supposed to be meeting the council on this education objective all of the ideas that we are talking about in here are really important all of your experiences that you've had are really important particularly with sugar labs that represents three million fedora users across the world roughly depending on how you do the math these are really important things and the stuff that we are doing here we need to find a common place to meet on this stuff I don't know if fedora has an edu city or the council has a meeting where people do student ambassadors campus representative or whatever we are going to call things but establishing some kind of regular edu pow out is probably a good idea because 12 to 18 months isn't going to be enough time to transform all of the universities maybe we can add one or two here or there this year but if we want this to be an ongoing initiative in fedora it looks like a lot of you do then we are going to need all the help we can get so please shut into the castle wiki and ensure you can stay in the center yes sir I just want to add in my perspective I was I only just graduated high school but I've been working at the fedora ambassador program for a while I was 16 or 17 I was working at it and it's all a student ambassador program but it's a very high barrier and I'm not really much of a programmer I'm going into the system administration but I didn't really have any real knowledge but I was really a big fan of community of free open-source software and I was kind of holding me in and I really wanted to get involved in some kind of way but I was kind of stuck and I was trying to figure out I want to do something fedora but I don't know how and I kind of felt like oh I don't know maybe I'm not bad but I was trying to figure out what was the point where you got stuck but I just felt like I couldn't really operate anything meaningful to the project everything contribution every contribution is meaningful I mean I'd always been an advocate for fedora I've gotten people to install it and I've always spoken I've talked about it and I've always kind of propelled other people but I explain it and try to give an accurate understanding of what the free open-source software is and I mean I'm not much I'm not much of a developer but I'm really in that community side of the stuff and I don't know I always wanted to get involved with the program but I didn't see the best way for me to get into an official kind of standpoint to have some kind of guidance and really make an impact and that's why I really was a big fan of the student ambassador but I'm not maybe before the full ambassador but when I was looking for an entry way to kind of contribute good point I think it's a I would doubt they're about to get involved but they didn't have a mentor but they kind of have a student maybe student ambassador I mean the student ambassador program would work for you that way so basically you just need an entry point to keep progressing inside the community and to explore new opportunities but from what you're saying I mean it would work this kind of structure it would work out for you so Do you know if we as in February already have here in the US do we have any kind of work towards the policy or now we work towards the policy for the school boards or the things where the syllabus is much more open source to indeed No, I don't think there would be a board elections that would be a really interesting way of going about it school board elections I'm talking about why I'm telling that because in India the largest school board is called CVSC so I know that there are many people from Red Hat who are also very much involved with the people who take decisions in the country and so in 2009 I think or 11 instead of having only Microsoft specific tools now in India we have the syllabus is neutral so it says either you can use Windows or use GCC and use MySQL to learn database instead of UNCC++ you can use Python as a programming language and public system is also your choice No problem As I said in the US all school boards are local not national there are certain national while making involved here and I do know that Red Hat does have a lobbyist towards adjusting some of those laws but frankly every teacher I've ever met basically hates all all those national laws that have been so far but I've always wanted to do everything entirely as opposed to fixing them I will modify my previous answer to say not that I know I'm still pretty curious there is a new organization called Code.org who is working really hard in the US to get CS to count as a mathematics requirement so there is a national organization that is getting some traction that I know that companies like Red Hat also support so though we're not necessarily taking the global public policy team as far as I can tell is always paying attention to all of the stuff that they can find but the real it isn't necessarily as much policy on the curriculum side Red Hat just established the education outreach team within OSAS so SPOT and NICY 8 are a member of this team and they are compiling lists of Fedora friendly and FOS friendly universities coming up with some targets they are doing training sessions with professors doing PASI so there is a lot of curriculum development and module development that is coming out of this new Red Hat education outreach team and they are very accessible so I would say they would probably know best for sure but not in general like in and NICY 8 those are the three folks that I have who are doing this stuff So that's a pretty good start for them A good start To branch out a little more I remember saying earlier about how there are some good opportunities for developers for gamers and also what if we could find other ways to grant our project to figure out how to evolve maybe like business things for the large community maybe we could have something more kind of like a plain language converter approach going in here other than how we are training other ways to grant to expand to a different time to get more users we are like way over time so if you got a closing message you should probably do Well, we should definitely look into that that's all I want to say So I mean we should stay connected because I guess most of you are definitely interested in that topic on how we can improve our visibility in schools So with the universe involvement initiative I think we can definitely join and plan something together plan something better and bigger So we just need someone to step in and say hey, let's do that so we need leaders for that we need people who are going to step in but we should try to be yeah, I believe that's a very integral part that if you're able to get much more interest at that stage a lot of the school will become what stage do you mean So high school middle school there's people secondary and society Yeah it's easier to do that in secondary schools I mean from secondary so yeah that is true but from my experience I've always known about Linux but it was only post secondary that opened the doors and then later pursued more I don't know if I understand anymore in high school there was Linux with this kind of coveted thing that you want to get into but a little bit harder but that was probably Okay guys, that's all thank you very much for being here I really look forward into having more discussions and to plan more stuff Thank you very much Definitely Definitely We'll do Thank you