 Well, good afternoon all. We're glad you could join us for this poll safely grants webinar. I have with me Harvey King Cade and Barbara little. And I'm Jonathan midget. If you have any questions throughout this webinar of the technical nature, you can send me an email at j midget. M. I D. G. E. T. T. at CPSC dot gov. Or to consumer ombudsman at CPSC dot gov and we'll try to help you out. Also, I want to highlight the fact that closed captioning is available. In the bottom left hand side of your screen, the CC icon will bring up closed captioning. And we are recording this session for future questions. And at the end, we'll be able to take some more questions, but we'll be recording questions as well to just so everybody knows. So, any other things that I forget anything. Harvey, you are up and the floors yours. Okay, thank you, Jonathan. My name is Harvey King Cade. I'm a grants management specialist here at consumer product safety commission. And I am here to talk to you about the pool safely grant program or. PSG P and the pool safely grant program was authorized by the Virginia Graham Baker act. There have been a few changes this year. And we'll be talking about those as we as we discuss them. But if it's. If it's a program you've looked at before, please stay tuned and we'll talk about those changes. You may find the announcement on grants dot gov. And it's CPSC 23 dash 001. See where we got, there we go. Is that sharing now? Yeah, it looks like it is. Yeah, Dan, can you give me a thumbs up that we are sharing our screen? Yes, good. Okay, good. Thank you. Excellent. So, here 1st, let's talk about some of the objectives here to start. I want to just provide an overview. And prior to discussing the purpose, I do want to address eligibility. There are a couple of different eligibility requirements and those need to be addressed 1st. So you can decide if this is if you qualify for this grant program. And then we'll talk a little bit about the purpose. We'll go into the application and the review process. We'll talk a little bit about the post award information, meaning the notice of award and some of the some of the general expectations. That that will be required if you apply and do receive a grant award. And then finally, I'll I'll provide my name and my email address there at the end. If you have any questions or want to follow up on something, you'll be able to contact myself in addition, you'll be able to contact Janet Davis who I believe is joining us online. She is my grants management official that we work with closely. So, there'll be an opportunity to contact us. I do believe we'll also put this PowerPoint presentation up on the agency's website as well. Okay, let's see. Oh, yeah, there we go. 1 more. There we are. Okay, here to talk about the overview again, the pull safely grant program. Is authorized by the Virginia grant Baker act. The the law has been in effect for a number of years and it was reauthorized just this year. The last time I was checking, I did not see it online yet, but the reauthorization can be found there at the 2nd bullet public law 1, 1, 7, 3, 2, 8, it's probably fairly big, but the. Division, be the title 4, we'll get you to the CPSC and the Virginia Graham Baker act portion of the public law. It's codified at 15 USC 8004 again at some point the the websites that provide citations will catch up and you'll be able to see the reauthorization language in there, but. But you can take a look there and much of what we we discussed. We will discuss here as far as legal eligibility and applicant eligibility can be found there. There is a total of 3.5 million dollars available that includes some prior funding as well as some new funding. Applicants may request of a grant of up to $400,000 as I indicate elsewhere in the slide deck the minimum will be about would be $50,000, but again, up to $400,000. Given the nature of the funding that we receive from Congress for this purpose, we are making awards with a 2 year project period or a 2 year budget period. So, it is many federal grants run on an annual with a single year, but because of the nature of this funding, there is a 2 year project period associated with this with this grant effort. And then the last bullet here is something that was included in the congressional notes. And I did want to highlight it here that. Some aspects of the grant proposal may be achieved by contracting with other entities, including civic organizations. You can think of things like swimming lessons through YMCA or some other on nonprofit provider. Congress did note that note this relationship with some emphasis. So, I wanted to pass it on to you all. A subcontract relationship is probably the best situation. It's a slightly different relationship than a sub recipient. Which is a higher level of involvement. So, ideally, if you if you do choose to work with other other civic or nonprofit organizations, it would be on a contract or subcontract basis. The federal government provides what's known as the assistance listings now. It's always been the CFDA, the catalog of federal of domestic assistance. I still refer to it as a CFDA. But if you go there, all different federal grant programs are outlined there and the pool safely grant program can be found at 87 dash, excuse me, 87.002. Anytime there's a new grant program, they have to get listed in this catalog or listing. And it helps inform the public about about what different grant programs are out there. So, if you do receive an award, you may see something 87.002. And that is the that is the reference again to the catalog of federal domestic assistance. If you go into grants dot gov, you'll be able to find the phone number there again, CPSC dash 23 dash 001. And finally, here we have the deadline and it's also there in grants dot gov that they must be submitted. And this is a hard deadline by April 30th of 2023. There are possibilities if there's a natural disaster or something or or or grants dot gov goes down. There may be an additional window, but generally speaking, that is a hard deadline. So, if you're interested in applying, please note that deadline and super applicant eligibility. Yes, the first spot where I want to discuss eligibility is with the applicant eligibility and there is some new language here. Eligible entities are governmental, state, local governments have traditionally been eligible to apply. But in the reauthorization, Congress permitted that Indian tribes are now eligible to apply. The. If you if you are applying and you are an Indian tribe, you'll need to probably provide some background, not all Indian tribes are eligible. I did take a look at the reauthorization law. And there they relate to. 25 USC, 53, 04. I know that's that's a lot as far as a reference, but that's where the definition of of eligible tribes may be found. Again, that references 25 USC, 53, 04. Indian tribe means any Indian tribe, band or nation or other organized group or community, including any Alaska native village or regional village corporation is defined in. Or establish pursuant to Alaska names settlement act, which is recognized as eligible for the special programs and services. Provided by the United States to Indians because of their statuses Indians. I read that out in part because my understanding from speaking to legal counsel is that the the shorthand of federally recognized tribes. Is not complete that there could be other openings there. So, again, if you are tribal organization and you'd like to apply or if you have more questions, please let us know. But there's a distinct definition there that was provided in the reauthorization. But again, it is new this year that Indian tribes are eligible to apply. So. Here, we have the the 1st prong when it comes to eligibility and that is applicant eligibility state, local state or local government or an Indian tribe. The 2nd eligibility prong I'm just referring to is legal eligibility and you can see that under the 2nd bullet here. And that is that you have to enact VGBA compliant laws and we'll discuss that next. The requirement which remains the 15 USC 8005 is still a good citation. It was brought over in the reauthorization as well. As we'll see later, we are asking that you support your application through an attachment that indicates. That you are legally eligible meaning that you have compliant laws. You will need to submit those as part of the attachment. The 2nd bullet there, the, or the, excuse me, the 3rd main bullet there. Is that and we address this in our FAQs. The international swimming pool and spa code likely meets these requirements, but we are still asking that you provide documentation that those laws are on the books and that you are enforcing them. Okay, more specifically that legal requirement involves a couple of different items, but primarily it involves. Looking at that 1st, 1st, sub point barriers or. Enclosures ways to bar entry to the pool. That's the 1st prong. And then the 2nd 1 deals with the number of drains and this is. Again, Virginia, Graham Baker act specific. The, the nature of the problem that Congress was seeking to solve here are. Was non-compliant drains that that that caused a bodily harm. And here we're talking about under that 2nd bullet. Sub bullet the number of drains a blockable drains or no main drain. I am no expert here in this this regard, but I have reviewed the CPSC. YouTube series on this where it's addressed in great detail. We will review your application and your attachment for legal sufficiency. So you need to be the right kind of applicant. And then as well, you need to have the VGBA compliant laws on the books there. And as I discovered this last round of funding. Sometimes those laws are passed by the state and it is left up to local jurisdictions on whether to enforce those. That would need to be passed by your local jurisdiction as well and enforced at that level. It's not sufficient that they're just passed at the state level. If you are a local applicant, they need to be enforced at that at that lowest level of jurisdiction, either the county level, the city level. But that is again, a hard eligibility requirement. It's in the law and we ask that you again, provide an attachment to your application, which we'll discuss in a minute to document that. Okay, and this is another change with the reauthorization that I want to highlight. Under the prior law, it was a 50 50 split between what we call enforcement funds and what we call education funds with the reauthorization that ratio has changed. And now under the reauthorization, 25% of the funds must be spent on enforcement. And up to 75 can be spent on on education and we'll look at education here in a minute. But the 25% used for enforcement, we're looking again here at the slide to hire and train personnel for the implementation of enforcement standards under. Your local law, which will be VGB a compliant. And to defray administrative costs that may be associated with hiring or training or existing. Uh, personnel during this last round, we did get an application. And they listed, for instance, lifeguards as providing enforcement and that's generally not what we're talking about here. This is code enforcement. It may be housed in different. Local different portions of your local government. It may be on the code side, it may be recreation parks and recreation, but. But again, we're talking about enforcing the compliant laws as far as enforcement is concerned. And here's the other part of funding that that I just mentioned up to 75% again, it can slide. You can go down a little bit on the on the education side and up a little bit on the enforcement side. These are minimums and maximums. Uh, but up to 75% may be used for education and there you see the language from the Virginia Ram Baker act, which is to educate pool owners, pool operators. Other members of the public about the pool and safety pool and spot safety laws there in your community. And about prevention of drowning and entrapment in swimming pools and spots. And again, we also. The law also allows for the fraying of some of the administrative costs. The prevention of drowning that's where we get the possibility of things like swimming lessons and other things that will. Will help again prevent drowning. And other things that we've seen our public information campaigns. Things of that nature where we're educating the public about both. The potential harms as well as. That come with swimming, but also the. V G B a portion of of harms such as. That relate to the pool pumps and the mechanics of the pool as well. Okay, I did want to I've received a number of questions about this. And so I do want to address this very specifically funds may not be used for. Pool construction, improvement, renovations, anything like that. We've gotten a number of inquiries. About local pools and things that are needed to restore them to a working condition. I'm all for that. Unfortunately, the V G B. The V G B act those are not eligible activities. Related to that are paying lifeguards. That's not something that the grant program will pay for. We will pay for lifeguard training. Again, looking at the education and the drowning prevention goals there. The 1 thing that I did also want to note that didn't make it on the slide, but I was looking at some applications and saw this. And that's maintenance so your water test kits, things like that that stuff that you have to do on your on your own generally to keep the pool running. Those are things that would not be eligible under the pool safely grant program. Okay, here we're going to talk a little bit more about the application again, the requested amount can be from 50,000 up to 400,000. There is a page link. I really do not expect anyone to need to exceed the 80 pages. I do anticipate that most applications will be well below that. But as part of us, us posting the full and things we have to put in some page limits. There is information in the full about what counts against the 80 pages, but I really do not anticipate and it's listed there. The application, the budget narratives, the schedule, the staffing plan. And any other attachments, but I really don't expect applications to exceed 80 pages. Now, just to get your foot in the door, we. We do need you to submit the SF 424. We'll look at this later. That is the standard federal application that's used for all federal grant application grant programs. It's not something separate. You'll need to find it will be provided to you in grants.gov. When you're applying. The very, very minimum documents you would you could provide in order to be. Eligible to have a complete application would be these 424 sets of documents and then we would need something on the state law eligibility. Now, I will say that if you only submit those 2 pieces of information. It's not likely that you'll receive a grant award because there's the other attachments detail. The other things you'll be doing under the grant award and quite frankly, if we get a bunch of applications where we have. You know, a complete application, meaning all the attachments and everything and you won't and someone only submits the 424 and the state law eligibility. I just don't think it will fare well and review, but I did want to note that the 424 and the state law eligibility are the absolute minimum. Documents that you could submit to be eligible to be considered under the grant program. Okay, here a little bit of standard stuff here only 1 application. Uh, per applicant organization so 1 application from that state 1 application from your local community. Or your your Indian tribe, if there's more than 1 applicant, we're going to go with the most recent 1 that was validated through grants dot gov. I really don't see this as being a problem, but there have been situations. I imagine where multiple applications could have been submitted. Okay, there is a registration requirement, which I personally just went through just as a federal employee. I had to get on grants dot gov. You do need to register and grants dot gov. It will handle the entire application. Experience now, I. Please pay attention to the red language here. I don't know that it will take a month. I've left this in this was an existing slide deck and I did want to leave it in on just because at this point with an April 30th deadline. The registry and you're interested in replying you may need to pursue the registration and then also start developing the grant application concurrently. I don't some of the the time there has to deal with validating your organization and validating that the person that is working on the organization's behalf as an authorized representative of that organization. So, I think that that's part of part of what may take up to a month. I don't think it's going to take a month of plugging away on grants dot gov. But I do think that the process and the time involved in getting all that cleared could take up to a month. So, I just wanted to alert you of that possibility. The grants dot gov registration. These are a few key components. Again, these are used throughout the federal government. Oh, the DUNS number, which for many years was required is no longer required. It has been replaced with the unique entity identifier. And coupled with that, you'll need to register your organization with Sam system for award management. We do check that if you're not in Sam. It's either it will cause a problem down the road. I think most organizations that are working with federal grants are already in there, but it is a. It is a requirement and it's an ongoing requirement. You have to maintain your. Your registration there on an annual basis. And then, as I mentioned here, you're going to have to get your authorize organizational representative. Um, linked up with your organization, and I think that may be part of what what takes the additional time in grants dot gov. And again, here, as as we have on the slide, we'll we'll be posting the slide deck as well. You can look at grants dot gov for more information. I do want to emphasize we do not run grants dot gov grants dot gov is run. I believe either as an independent group, but. Um, but it's used pretty much for the clearinghouse for most not all, but many, many, many federal grant programs. Uh, so you will need to work directly with them if you're having any problems with grants dot gov. And I've received a couple of inquiries about that. And I just had to refer them back to grants dot gov. Okay, I mentioned the 424 or the 424 family. These are standard forms that are associated with about every application. Some require a few others and more. But these are the the standard ones. Uh, there's an application SF 424. You have to provide information about your entity there. Uh, there's a separate budget document there and generally. It categorizes the expenses down into, I believe, 5 categories or 6 categories. Let's see if I can remember them from the top of my head. It's salary and fringe supplies, equipment, things like that. Uh, that budget portion of the 424, the 424, we'll need to match the budget that you're submitting as an attachment. Uh, what we don't want is for the 424, the standard form to reflect a certain budget number and then to look at your application and see a separate number. Uh, there as the, uh, attachment, so try and harmonize those numbers between the 424 document and the attachment that we'll talk more about in a minute. Uh, the other ones are pretty standard. I don't expect there to be any issues with them, but they have to do with lobbying and there's 1 that's required if you're lobbying and then. If you are lobbying, you have to disclose it. I don't anticipate the disclosure will be needed. But again, they're standard forms. Then looking there at the last sub bullet, there are other attachments. We'll talk about these in a minute. Uh, I managed to shave 1 attachment off. So there are really 5 attachments that we'll be looking at and 2 of those would be optional. There are more detailed instructions on this in the FOA. I did put together the FOA so I can I can confirm that. Please look to the for more information on both primarily the attachments, but there is there is information there on fully out the 424. And as I mentioned, we do not run grants.gov. This is some information. If you're having some issues, you can reach out directly to them. Um, this is their bread and butter. So, uh, I, I'll get back to you. I imagine pretty quickly, but. But again, we don't run grants.gov. You'll need to contact them directly if you're having some problems registering there. Okay, and as I mentioned, there are other attachments that would. Uh, that would form a more complete application and we'll look at those in a little bit of detail here. They're described more fully in the funding opportunity announcement. The real meat of it here is attachment 1, which is your project narrative. There, we asked you to just briefly provide a table of contents, depending on how. You know, thick, your application is it may be more detailed or less detailed, but we'd like to be able to easily find those portions within your submission. Then there will be a short introduction. We like to know about your community. It helps us personalize that application. Let us know about the challenges you face as it as it relates to water safety. I'll talk more about the funding preference here, but in short, uh, we ask that you substantiate. The funding preference within the introduction, generally speaking, we will provide an additional 5 points to your application. If you do the funding substantiating the funding preference is optional. But if you do provide it and we do see that your statistics are higher than the national average, I believe, as it relates to drowning and we would add 5 points on to your application. If you're kind of in the, you know, 65 point range that 5 points would push you over the top. It is optional. It's up to you, but it does make it does wait the entire application at 105 points rather than 100 points. If you choose to do that, we'll look at that more in a minute. The work plan, we didn't need to know what you're doing and there's again more information in the funding opportunity announcement. The project evaluation plan, we'd like to know that you're looking at what you're doing and if it's not working that you're. Uh, addressing that, or perhaps there, there are other avenues to to program that money. Then attachment to is a budget table or narrative. We provide a sample, which I strongly encourage you to to use because it does provide it would provide us an easy way to see this 25, 75 split between your enforcement activities and your education activities. I did take a look at a couple of the applications prior to us providing this table and it is very, very difficult for the review committee to sort out the budget. If, uh, if there's, if it's not clearly identified in the table schedule. Again, this is going to need to reflect a 2 year performance period and we'd like to see how you're going to line out your activities there a staffing plan. We do want to know if we're paying for positions and or helping in the salary and fringe area where those positions reside. And again, here we are at attachment 5 state law eligibility. That's everything we addressed here on the front end. We do want you to provide documentation there because it is a it is a hard requirement. And then a couple of other as applicable attachments and then indirect cost rate agreement, your entity may have 1 of those. If so, we would want to see that so we can verify it and and and use that to award award the proper proper amount there. Not everyone has an indirect cost rate agreement. Generally, we see those at the state level. And then any other relevant documents and that's that's fairly open. I will say, if there's we do like to see, and I believe it's in the photo that if there's somebody filling out the application on behalf of of of somebody that has signing authority that there's a connection there. A letter, perhaps that indicates that the person that's filling out the application has the authority to do so on behalf of the organization. That's addressed there in the FOA as well. Okay, the project narrative, I mentioned that that was the meat. Again, that's going to have a table of contents introduction. Funding preference if applicable work plan and the project evaluation plan. Here is just some standard information on how we'd like to see it. This is reflected in the FOA as well. Please font size at 12, 8 and a half by 11. Pretty standard stuff here. Here, the budget attachment is discussed. As I mentioned, we need the 424 set of documents in there. The 424 is a very basic budget and it's just split into a few different categories and we would want. Again, that to reflect what you're attached more detailed budget narrative or budget date detailed budget would show as far as the attachment. The budget should reflect 100% of federal funds. There is no matching or cost sharing required. Some programs have that, but here it's 100% of federal funds is is is what's provided. The different budget categories in some form or should be reflected on the attached budget. Again, you can look at the attachment that we have there in the FOA and. And see that with the 424, which is the federal form there. Again, that budget document is found in appendix. There's more information on that funding preference as I discussed if you choose to submit this and your. Application may will be weighted at 105 points versus 100 points. The orc, the objective review committee that reviews these applications. We'll look to that again, please highlight that and the introduction separated out so that we can clearly see that. Should you elect to document that and again, it's data demonstrating that the number of incidents involving child drownings, non-fatal, submersions. And drain entrapments in the jurisdiction relative to the Apple Google population significantly exceeds comparable national statistics. We do have a link there on where you can find some of this information. But again, we look for that in the introduction. And as as pointed out here, if you receive a score of 70 or above, you'll receive the 5 point adjustment on that score. Here's a little bit on the process. We will initially review both an applicant type. Are you a. State, federal, or tribal organization, excuse me, state, local, or tribal organization. And then separately, we would look to the attachments involving legal eligibility or your laws compliant with the act. The the orc will then meet. We will, we will look at the various applications we received those that are eligible and those will receive a score. And then based on that orc, the document, which. Memorializes that you are receiving federal award is the notice of award. This is a little bit on the scoring. I did redo the waiting of the sections for this FOA in part, because the work plan is such a project narrative. And the work plan are so meaty that we, I did want to assess them a little bit higher than they had previously. So the introduction, 10 to 15 points that 15 points being. If if you apply for the funding preference. The work plan or the work plan there being 50 points resources and capabilities 25 points. And then the project evaluation plan at 15 points and there's more information in that it's discussed. In detail in the funding opportunity announcement. Okay, and if successful, you will receive a notice of award. And that is the document indicating that you've received the grant award includes a number of things. The terms of award, the conditions, they'll be approved budget amount. The amount of federal funds and a description of the project. There's no easy way to accept the award. So, if if you are notified that. I think you'll be receiving a notice of award. We do need to see receive an email back from your authorized representative indicating that you're accepting it. We don't want this languishing out there. If the funds can be put to use with another recipient. Should your organization elect not to take on the grant. Here's more again grants dot gov is where the application will need to be submitted. You can search CPSC and will pop up. I think I used the term pool and it popped up right up. Right at the top there the pool safely grant program has its own website. The FOA is posted there as long as the FAQ's and a number of other helpful things. I do encourage you to in addition to us answering your questions. You can look at the FAQ's and they they go into a lot of detail, especially on this legal eligibility. And other items, so please take a look at those FAQ's. Here we have the grants dot gov contact center that you can contact them for additional information. If you're having trouble. My name Harvey Kincaid at CPSC dot gov. You may reach me by email that would be preferred. And Janet Davis, who, who are working alongside J Davis at Denali dot gov. She's our interagency partner and is assisting with the pool safely grant program. You can contact either of us and we'll we'll do our best to provide you an answer if you have a question. And thank you for your interest. See that all right I do know it looks like we've received a few questions. And we will try and leave the balance here to discuss those. List of doesn't want to expand for him. Oh, try to try that guy might be able to expand it. Okay, there we go there we go. Sorry, our chat box opened up and it was about 1 inch by 2 inch. It was quite small. Okay, sure. The 1st question here from Danielle staple. Can you clarify if the budget amount listed is per year or over? The 2 year period it's over the 2 year period. So, the $400,000 would apply as the max of the 50,000 on the low end would apply to that 2 year period. So, that's a total amount. It looks like we got another question from Daniel stable here. If the requirement language is in the code that is enforceable, but not necessarily not necessarily a law is that. Acceptable I do think it needs to be a law in order to be enforceable. So we would be asking there that you document the, you know, the actual reference for the law. But it does need to be a law. Otherwise, it's not enforceable. I'd say so. Yes, it does need to be a law. Would it Megan Morrell would it be possible to get a copy of this PowerPoint? Yes, I'm going to reduce it to a PDF and try and get it up on the website fairly quick. Not sure how quick, but yes, we'll we'll go ahead and put it up there. We'll send the deck out. Yes, we will send the deck out. Let's see Daniel staple if you want to put more than 25% into enforcement activities. Is that acceptable? Absolutely. The 25% is really the minimum requirement in the law. So that can slide up the 75% being the education that can't slide up that can only slide down. So anything less than 75, 75% or lower would be acceptable on the education side. But yes, you may put more than 25% into enforcement activities. Okay, we have a question from I'm not sure who from you stated that the grant program. May not be used for pool construction slash renovation. Can it be used for design and development of pools training designers? Can it be used for customer service organizations assisting pool users? I do not believe so that does not appear to be allowable activities under the grant program. I think they're too tight. Too closely tied to construction and renovation. I'm not sure about the customer service organizations assisting pool users. But yeah, I generally know. Can the grant program be used to train compliance personnel supporting. Companies designing designing and delivering pools. I do not think so again, we're looking at applicants being a state. State local government or a tribal or an Indian tribe. If they're compliant, if they're regulatory compliance personnel. Can they support private company if they're state? If they are state, then. Yes, I saw the private companies, I was thinking private employees. But I think I think more generally, if they are our governmental personnel that are supporting private. I will say we, you know, part of the program again is education. We've had. Recipients, you know, go to private companies that that that work on pools that do pool related stuff. In order to educate and help push out the VGB a compliance. So potentially, but I'm not, there's not enough there for me to say definitively or for us to say definitively. The anticipated award date we are hoping and I believe this is in the copy of it here. The anticipated award date, I think we put in put in a. June date, yeah, anticipated award June 15th. Of 2023 that's anticipated we'll we'll see what happens. Um, but we we are trying to because of the seasonal nature of this grant program. We're trying to respect that and and get it out in time for people to hopefully program the the money over this upcoming pool season. We got more. Yeah, this one here. Oh, I'm sorry, Jonathan. Do the funds cover the cost of all attendance activities coordinators. Who lead or coordinate the swimming lessons. I would, it could yes, because we are talking about the. You know, having had young kids that went through swimming lessons, there are a number of people in the pool. Um, but yes, if I would think so, if it leads to, um. You know, efficacy of the swimming lessons themselves. Let's see looking through here. Do you have to use the entire 2 year period or can use the funds in a shorter time period with the. We would want your budget. I'm sorry, let me read the question. Do you have to use the entire 2 year period or can you use the funds in a shorter time period. With the 2 year grant period. As the follow indicates, we would expect to see a budget and a. Schedule and a project that reflects the 2 year period. Another question about the PowerPoint providing the PowerPoint. Uh, my attachments, we got a question here. Can you provide some examples of fundable projects? I did put together a couple of things. A couple of different things that we've seen. On the enforcement side, salaries and fringe, we've seen mileage because of the nature of the code enforcement. Um, certified CPO certified pull operator training. Let's see development of enforcement training. I know we have 1 recipient that's doing something a little bit. More online as far as a training so they can be provided to a lot of different people. Law and safety code enforcement trainer trainings. We do have 1 recipient that's doing some audits of permits and. Some pool construction data to help develop a database related to enforcement. Technical support for ongoing enforcement efforts. And then on the education side, as I mentioned, educational campaigns. Uh, that's been pretty standard. We've seen that in a few different places. Drowning prevention, education, events, lifeguard training that I mentioned. Swimming lessons community education on pool safety. And salary and fringe there as well, depending on the nature of the of the personnel performing those educational duties. See where we are. Are there limits to the type of some contractor that can provide swim lessons? For instance, public nonprofit swimming facility versus private for profit swimming facilities, i.e. a swim school. I don't think there are the subcontract is a pretty open type of instrument, but I would highlight the language that was included in the congressional notes that I highlighted on the front end. Related to getting involved with civic organizations. That's kind of a little bit more of an emphasis from Congress. Oh, there we are can funds be used for building safety fences for existing pools. I don't think so really when we're talking about enforcement, we're talking about enforcing existing laws related to safety fences. Or barriers related to pools. It just seems to be a little bit too much like construction for construction. Yeah, that's Barbara little who's with our office general council and she and I have been working together along with Jonathan here. Yeah, that's a little bit too close to construction, I believe. There's 1 from Heather portion of the award. Be allocated to drowning prevention focus nonprofits for focus for eligible activities. Yeah, I think so nonprofits being civic organizations. You'll need to follow some of your local laws related to contracting and how you work with those folks. But as I mentioned, that's clearly clearly part of what. The congressional intent is here that is the bottom of the chat window. Oh, wait, there's a new one could funds be used to defray code enforcement violation fees. So entities can put that money into her peers of fences. I don't think so the word defray as it appears in the law. Really relates to the administrative expenses that the that the legal entity is encountering and trying to do this. But I don't that does not appear to be allowable and I go back to what we said previously that it would be a little bit. Too close to construction or even maintenance here as far as. Keeping the barriers intact saying no other. No other questions. Nope. I have 8 minutes left, but that's always good to finish. Any other questions? There's 1. Oh, there we go. Uh, the question is how about specific funds designated. For drowning prevention signage around public bodies of water. I think so. Yeah, I mean, I I'm looking around because we have had the discussion here. Most of the a lot of this, especially in the enforcement has to do with. With pools and some of the mechanics there, but as we all know, um, anybody of water presents presents a potential drowning situation. So, yeah, I think that that would be allowable that would be categorized as under the educational basket of funds. Yeah, that would be on the education side. So, you. Again, I have to balance that out with others other stuff on the enforcement side. Uh, question from Alyssa. So that would apply to life jacket loaner situations as well. Loner stations loaner stations. Um, I'm sure I understand the question you loan out life jackets to people at a beach site, for instance. Right, but what would the funds be going to the life jackets themselves paying for the station? Yeah. For the station, um, Alyssa, if you could send something more detailed about what you're asking about either to myself or to Janet. Again, I am h, k, i, n, c, a, i, d, h, concade at c, p, s, c. That might be taking some of that a little bit farther, but I'm kind of curious as to what you got in mind. So. So we'll we'll try and address that one offline. Yes, yeah, to Heather. Thank you. We are surrounded here in Louisiana by water. Yes. As a prior resident of Louisiana. I can confirm that you are like, especially down in southern Louisiana. You're likely surrounded by water. Okay, with that, I'd say that if you continue to have a question, or if there's something that you wanted to address. Please email myself, Jonathan has his provided his information. Janet Davis, j Davis at Denali d, e, n, a, l, i dot gov. Go ahead and send us an email and we will try and get back to you that way. But otherwise, thank you for your interest. I look forward to seeing your applications and. Thanks. Very good. Going to stop our recording and thank you all for joining us.