 and break up with your Husband, yeah, it's out. He'd yell welcome to earth and then punch you in the face and then Interestingly enough, he also did a radio show that broadcast in South Vietnam. Yeah, right Tested for a while. Oh good morning dead poets Those are the best poets my hitch Adams like like realistically do poets get like are they like why do they get Better with age like after they pass away That's like artists. It's the same thing. Yes In theory the theory is that if you're a very successful artist during your time that you're alive You weren't actually all that good and your stuff won't stand the test of time, but if you that's my hope Yeah, then you're like I'm back it on we found these rare sketches on toilet paper Roger They're genius. He was never appreciated in his time if only he let someone see these What could have been you make sure all my honorable mention ribbons well, wait a minute wouldn't What's his name? Who's the guy did the I keep forgetting his name the guy with the soup cans Yeah, he was pretty he was pretty well known alive. Well, I mean he passed away, right? He had his 15 minutes Yeah, he had his time. I mean is still is stuff still considered pretty big deal I mean my so my wife found a book signed by him at some flea market that I own so that's kind of cool Yeah, I don't really know this stuff never really there for me. It's all right You sketch a little soup can next to a signature. No, that's the problem is the lot of people I mean, there's there's proof that he could draw but not really like not well his his His thing came from like weird photo. It wasn't a drawer. He was an artist He what exactly and that's what he banked on he tried to draw though. They all do Banksy Don Freakin, what's his name? Who's the splatter painter guy? Oh? Pollock Pollock Jackson Pollock was a Very traditional artist. I'll ask in Pollock before Before he got to the whole spattered phase and then that'll change. Well, so did the who's a Spanish? Picasso yeah, it was that way. So was what's his name? Melty clocks guy. Oh Dolly was very traditional in beginning most of them are yeah, you have to learn to walk before you can run Yeah, you can't get weird until you've done normal. I think the most the most striking version of that is probably Not Escher Godel no the guy Freakin alien. Why can't he get any names today? Geiger Geiger Eager? All right, we ready. Yes Geiger notwithstanding. Let's do show. Here we go Daily Tech news show who made that noise me for a start over here. We go Daily Tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday, August 24th 2016 on Tom Merritt joining me today Mr. Scott Johnson alongside from frog pants comm if that's its real name Hi, Tom. It is its real name. You were right. You were right the first time Is it going mr. Scott Johnson? It's it's going okay. I'm frog pants comm You might be familiar with me. No here. Hey, it was a dude. I'm here. I've got my specialty Wrong muted the wrong button. So that just ever in that. Oh Are we all there we go? Hey Google fibers started taking signups in Salt Lake City today. Yeah, don't tell me tell me about it, dude You're like like how many blocks south of the house Can you see Google fibers rollout area from your house? Actually, yeah, if I get up on the well I guess I'd have to get on the roof a bit But I can see it and it's not not even an eight-minute drive from here where it ends So it's kind of a real bummer for me. I'm right on the edge Well, they say they're gonna roll it out to the parts of the city in the next few months So hopefully it gets to you. I mean Comcast has the two game service. It's like $300 a month there Yeah, I mean I have really good service from Comcast and actually Comcast I've said this on the show before Comcast is well regarded in Utah They do us pretty well here in Salt Lake City, but everybody knows they want Google fiber when it comes So it's just a matter of time. I just would be happy to have it right now And I'm a little surprised they didn't extend it this far where I live happens to be an area that was Had some forethought put into it back in 2007 when they were building it and they were like we're gonna need fiber run everywhere We're gonna have to be the next level. It can't just be copper and crappy, you know infrastructure So if anything, I'm a little surprised, but I'll wait. It's fine. I'm talking to you now aren't I this is working So we're fine. It's fine So don't don't yeah, don't jinx it Regarding the next iPhone Steve Wozniak told the Australian financial review if it's missing the 3.5 millimeter earphone jack That's gonna tick a lot of people off. Oh, I like that. He calls it the earphone jack. Oh, that's the best Now here are some more top stories Speaking of Apple Steven Levy has a feature on back channel about Apple's work in AI Apple moved Siri's voice recognition to a system based on neural networks on July 30th 2014 I bet you didn't even notice but that Siri must have started working better at least some people say it did Apple also insists AI is baked into other features in the OS things like Identifying a caller even if they're not in your contacts just by looking at your email perhaps Appointment reminders that aren't in your calendar, but they knew you had them again by reading your email or the list of apps You're most likely to open when you swipe right That's all AI and machine learning the palm rejection in the Apple pencil uses machine learning Levy says Apple thinks machine learning is only The latest in a steady flow of groundbreaking technologies. That's why they don't make a big deal out of it The gist of the article is that Apple doesn't have a machine learning department They don't they don't have a place devoted to this It's spread out through all the different teams and in Phil Schiller's words We use these techniques to do the things we have always wanted to do better than we've been able to do They don't publish research They don't publicize their machine learning advances because they don't want to tip off competitors But they do spend most of a day with Steven Levy to combat the perception that Apple is lagging behind an AI Scott Well, I mean you could there's a billion arguments that they are actually lagging behind in the AI department But of course they're doing stuff there and as a person who enjoys his iPhone I'm I like the idea assuming that they're being honest with us that that Machine learning is something that's spread through the entire company and therefore affects all the products that they sell that I happen to enjoy that sounds really utopian and cool, but Some might argue that a dedicated group of very focused very smart individuals might yield better Results in the long term. I don't know just throwing that out there It's it's a little bit of the the executives protest too much like let's bring in Steven Levy. He's great He's an excellent writer. He does great features. Obviously they trust him He's gotten great access at Apple before and let's show him what we've been doing But they didn't talk about anything like self-driving cars. They didn't talk about their television service They didn't reveal anything new. It was basically them trying to show. Hey guys You probably don't realize all this great machine learning stuff. We do but we do it So don't say that we are way behind. We're right in there You pointed out on the on the comments a lot of people saying like yeah But Google has shown you can make it public and still do great AI stuff. So why not just make it public? Apple doesn't want to that's never been Apple's way. Yeah, you're asking them to change their entire operation in terms of their culture for as Long as they've existed. So I don't I don't think that's a fair thing to To tell them to do But I and I take their word for it that they know this is important and I'll say I think Siri improved Actually, I've never really had giant problems in series. So maybe it's just the way I never use it It's never worked for me. I like of the opposite side of that but I use it for simple stuff You know a reminder. She hears the names. I say I don't really have a problem with her She's been fine for my voice recognition is okay, and I maybe that's improved But whenever I ask her a question, she just searches the web and I'm like, well, I could have done that Yeah, that kind of stuff sucks. I think you know what I've done is I boiled it down to like the 10 things that she does Well, you do you know she's gonna get at yeah, sure But the but the other thing I thought was interesting about this article it's given through it was They really did try to hammer home the idea that they are doing more With less of your data That seems to be a wagon. They're tying their string to here a little bit and yeah surprise anybody given their you know Their recent past but you know saying that we're keeping less stuff on servers We are trying to keep as little as possible on servers or having the phone do the heavy lifting. I That's all pretty good PR. I think it's all right. Yeah, and and honestly, I love that I think saying hey, we don't need to catalogue and store everything about you to make this work is a great point Because Google and Microsoft as much as Microsoft pretends they don't they store a lot of information about you in order to make the stuff work So I like that. They're emphasizing that this does end up and in no disrespect to Steven Levy who wrote a very good article And it's it's got some worthwhile stuff. This is an Apple PR push in the end There is there's some legitimate facts that they're doing and there's there's some legitimate Revelations about the kind of machine learning that they realize that people don't understand but the motivation behind getting this piece done is we need to combat a perception and you know what if you Don't want to be transparent. Don't be transparent It's one of the things I did respect about Steve Jobs is he didn't say I don't care about the press on one hand and then try to cuddle up to them on the other hand He said I don't care about the press and that was it. Yeah, he really meant it This this strikes me as well. We don't really want to be transparent But oh we hate it when not being transparent causes people to think bad things about us Well, and how did Steve Jobs? Maybe it was a different cycle then but the way Steve Jobs combated that as they were constantly pushing out products that maybe people go Oh, they're ahead of the curve. Yeah, right now. They're not necessarily they're in kind of a safe place with a lot of their product lines there's nothing Incredibly new or or evolutionary to talk about and because of that It's that's the perception whether it's the truth or not That's the perception and maybe this is the first time they've really felt the heat from that perception Being as you know on top as they are it doesn't matter that perception is what I wonder if The fact that today is the five-year anniversary of Tim Cook taking over a CEO from Steve Jobs And there have been a lot of pieces being written about that and how well is he doing if that makes them feel The heat a little more probably I mean five years. That was quick. Good Lord. Yeah Well in the other news Microsoft released word flow 2.0 All you 1.0 people or 1.x people get real excited now and update to its iOS keyboard You can swipe left to bring up new options search for animated gifts One of my favorite things about anything and your contacts or the web now use 3d touch to change at the location of the cursor on iOS and Spacebar is more accurate and emojis are suggested as you type phrases like thumbs up. I Would not type the phrase thumbs up to get a thumbs up though. I would just go get the thumbs up Yeah, I don't think I don't know if it's meant to be Used that way or sort of like oh, I didn't even think about using an emoji. Look. It's suggesting it. Isn't that great? I Have occasionally gone over to these third-party keyboards and this goes for Android and iOS both I just end up going back to the defaults. Yeah in both Because there's always some instance where it doesn't work or it goes back to the default keyboard anyway And I'm sure I'm in the minority here because I know a lot of people love these keyboards and Google has a great iOS keyboard as well People are really excited about this word flow keyboard. Maybe I'll try it I don't yeah, maybe it's worth giving a shot, but I end up doing the same thing I just sometimes I just don't feel like I know what I'm doing like that's gonna sound defeatist and Make me sound like a dingus when it comes to keyboards, but like I'm probably saving time With a new fancy keyboard that does a different method, but I don't feel like I am I feel like it's taking me actually more time because they're they're telling me to take all this Muscle memory from decades and change it man. I'm old Google announced it will begin lowering search rankings for sites that use intrusive interstitial ads starting January 10th 2017 Examples of offending interstitials are the pop-up ads that cover the content after you go to a page That that's the one we all think of standalone ads that you have to dismiss before a page will load Ads that are so large you have to scroll to find content. This would seem to include those ads that Kind of tell you hey, you're using an ad block or you can't get to the content I wonder if that lowers your search ranking Google did carve out exceptions They say that if you're doing a pop-up to give a legal notice like a cookie notification that they require in Europe That's okay if you're just putting up a login for a paywall like a straight-ahead paywall. That's okay And reasonable and dismissible banner ads They're basically talking about those little banners that show up at the top of a web page on mobile That say hey you could download our app over here. Those are okay. This will replace that November 2015 policy Which penalized sites for pop-ups encouraging the download of mobile apps that covered most of the page So the in my case is going to affect mainly one side to go to a lot which is polygon calm I know the verge does this as well as sister sites and everything But they when you go to a mobile version of that site an ad will immediately appear that You can kind of get started on the article and then it will pop after that and and shove everything down full Full length of the phone. It's not that big of a deal, but I have the feeling that this is the sort of thing They're probably going to target That you know are otherwise Obtrusive to your experience and feel like they're getting in your way when you've already sort of gotten there to do what you're there to do So I'm kind of all for this. I think this is how do you feel about Google being the one to decide this though? Well, they can essentially Declare a certain ad unit off limits Because they're the biggest search engine in the world even in places like the United States They're still the predominant search engine in places like Europe. They have 90 plus percent of the market That that seems a lot for one company to be in charge of that's not only true But also they are not just the number one search engine in the world. They're the number one ad You know affiliated network of ad sharing and ad usage Yep, so so they have two conflicts of interest potentially right there two big ones the two main ones in fact So that's a good point. I think that they Probably Could make the argument that for their algorithm to produce the best results that people are looking for Part of that of what people are looking for is a good browsing experience And if they're not getting that somewhere because of obtrusive ads or full-screen videos or whatever the heck it is You could probably make this justification and there's probably a room of lawyers are saying yeah You guys are okay to do this but but I agree with you. It's a little weird Yeah, I don't think it's illegal. Although sure it could be an antitrust problem for them at some point I do think I have concerns Even a you know sure they're they're acting in in good interest saying like hey, this is something gets in your way Let's stop it But if I'm a content site and I'm like hey I'm getting a really good rate on these advertisements and they're not from Google ads sense And you're basically taking that money away from me by lowering my search engine ranking I'm gonna be upset you think it should be so how's what's another handle it like some sort of third-party that can do it That's the trick a standard. Yeah, there's the IAB there's the internet advertising bureau like some kind of you know Working through some kind of standards body might be it might be something to pursue. I don't know Yeah, it's a hard call. I think that you know, they've got the populace on their side Most people are gonna have their action you did which is like good. I hate those things get them out of my way Yeah, but then the site you're right the site creators and content makers me may have a different point of view Tom Moore senior VP at satellite company via sat is Leaving the company to take over alphabets project loon which delivers internet service from high altitude balloons Been talked about on this show before many times Mike Cassidy who has been in charge of project loon will step down But remain with alphabet X's division Or alphabets X divisions how you'd say that which oversees the project more begins his new role at alphabet X in September I Can't wait for balloon based internet. Well, and they're they're doing it This is not just something that's pie in the sky hot get it or balloon in the sky They're you they're working in Indonesia in Australia in several places around the world and testing this out and putting it in place So this is another of Alphabets moves to bring in a commercial head to make money off of what was once a moonshot Yeah, project loon was a total moonshot at the beginning. That's why they brought Mike Cassidy on Because he was just like hey, I'm in front. I'm in the X lab and I think I can make this work He's a serial entrepreneur now. They're bringing in somebody who has worked at a satellite company that makes money And they're saying okay. We've got it from moonshot stage to virtually practical What do we do now and this is happening in alphabet across the board? You're seeing them taking these moonshots and bringing in business heads to turn them into viable businesses early see if they can It makes me wonder though if Google is going to move away From that moonshot ethos that the X lab had or if we'll start to hear about new moonshot products because self-driving cars is becoming Practical the now now project loon is becoming practical Google fiber is very practical sure I'm just I'm very curious how this looks in the long Like I cannot get my science fiction head out of this idea of balloon based internet And if this company makes it a broad-based thing not just in countries that have a hard time getting other infrastructure in place But all over the place. Are we looking at a sky full of little dots? I might recognize is balloon based internet like yeah Will you pull out your telescope and show your kids the balloons that are breaking them the internet in the future? Interesting to me that fluttered the skies in these in these bunches over Populated areas or even rural areas with a bunch of balloons that provide internet That's for some reason that really tickles my Phillip K. Dick bone. I should stop talking now. We should be careful with that Probably with your Hugo award-winning author bone I I'm with you though the the idea that eventually because balloons carry the internet in the sky We may never be without a connection for the most part is it's fascinating Yeah, let's do we want the same company that can block full-page ads to be a charge of that conversation Speaking of sci-fi stuff China showed off its planned Mars rover expected to head to Mars in July or August 2020 It would be the second nation to put a rover on the surface of Mars others like India have put things in in Orbit the United States has been the only one so far to land a rover on Mars a long March 5 Carrier rocket will get it from Earth to Mars orbit in seven months where it will head down to land Near the Martian equator the six-wheeled rover weighs 200 kilograms It's about 441 pounds has 13 instruments including radar a drill and a remote sensing camera It would be designed for a three-month mission, but it could last much longer China's got a good track record on this their u2 moon rover was meant for three months and lasted two years a Lot of NASA rovers have also lasted beyond mission parameters China's also planning a manned moon landing for 2036 Getting back to the man stuff all I can think of is four important words off-planet battle bots You think that there's political pressure between the US and China here? Just imagine what it's like on the surface of Mars when two battle bots face off for the first time And I don't think that's gonna happen. Oh, all right. Well I'll go cut everything down a peg in order to reduce cyber attacks Singapore That's the country the nation of Singapore is working on cutting off web access for machines used by public Officials by May of 2017 that is just next year public servants could still surf the web on separate personal or agency issued Devices Tom. What is the what's the idea? Why? Yeah, so this is getting misinterpreted. I think by a lot of folks They're not Cutting off the workers ability to surf the web because they're worried about them getting on Facebook That you will still as a public servant be able to surf the web on your personal devices as Scott just said What they're doing is saying our intranet our internal databases things that don't need internet access Shouldn't have internet access on them or if they do need internet access It should be locked down and there should be no web browser that somebody can then go and download some kind of malware and leak out So there some people are calling it air gapping the computers I don't think they're exactly air gapping because I believe if I'm reading this right. They'll still network with each other So if one gets infected the others could still get infected But they're saying there is no need when you're using the computer that accesses the Singapore government records to go Surf wears calm like let's just let's just take the browser out of it Yeah, actually I can see that it makes perfect sense. I'm a little surprised You don't hear about this as more standard procedure everywhere Well, a lot of people legitimately point out This will make those workers less productive because I'll have to move to another machine if they need to look something up On the internet and I think that's part of the hesitancy about it's a good point Is it the point is the myth thing that there's no firewall strong enough to keep people from the places? They don't want them to be yeah, it's a risk assessment. They're saying the risk We would rather bring the risk closer to zero and and risk a little productivity There you go, thank you tax in Singapore lead the way can lead the way or or don't depending Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com We get great stuff in there like today from Fred a you Tiger fan Derek Silva Loop Garoo is in there John's II 776 is back another J Martin Greg and and more get in there and vote and submit some stories if you want dailytechnewshow.reddit.com And that's a look at the top stories So I was reading Penny arcade you read Penny arcade No extra life, let me tell you My extra life obviously is my extra life is no penny arcade. Let's put it that way But no, I was reading Penny arcade the other day and they referenced. I think it was August 8th Edition they referenced hooked hooked is an app that launched back in September of 2015 And it is a micro fiction app or as they say on their website fiction for the snapchat generation It lets you tell your story through a text message interface And I tried it out this weekend for the first time and I was hooked It's kind of amazing how a text message interface can make you want to know what happens next every Word is a cliffhanger and the way they do it is you'll get a message and then you'll tap and then you'll get the next message Sometimes they even do the dot dot dot like the person is typing I even tried writing a little story out there And I threw it up on Twitter to get some feedback you get one free story per day and hooked Or you can pay three dollars a week for unlimited access they give you a little discount if you want to pay a month at a time or a year at a time and it's kind of building off the tradition of Cell phone stories in Japan if you're familiar with those people sending you stories through text message Twitter novels watt pad does similar stuff and this made me think about the quartz news app That was released a while back that delivers news stories in a chat like interface So you get a bubble with a statement and then you have two options You can either move on to the next story or say tell me more and then tell me more is always some fun emoji or something like that The thing that's in comment about these is they aren't bots. We all we've talked about the conversational interface and customer service through bots and chat bots and and machine learning and artificial intelligence. This is just Taking something dumb and I don't mean dumb as in my story was dumb, although maybe it was I mean dumb as in like there's no AI going on It's just delivering something but the interface is a familiar text messaging interface What do you think of that Scott? Well? What it got me thinking about earlier when you and I were talking free show about it over slack again another place where Chat is the modus operandi of everyone having a conversation getting work done I would argue that that's a piece of this pie But anyway and you know people could say well we're forums years ago or what is you know? What was IRC back in the day? Well, I know there's a lot of similarities, but I really like the idea of Leaning into a future where instead of the traditional thing of searching for something on the internet and saying all right Well, what keywords am I looking for at Google? That's how I'm gonna find it the fastest the idea of whipping up an app and in a natural conversational style Being able to say either via voice or input via keyboard Man, I could really go for Something cold right now and have this thing conversationally come back to me and and recommend Four or five juicing places around here that would fit the bill Because it knows from previous interactions that I want to go with a healthy route I'm not looking for just a 44 ounce coke at the gas station. I'm looking for something That's better for me like all of those things come into play and it's almost like you're talking to a friend of yours who's making Making recommendations for you. It's like bots like you were talking about it's kind of that way But I really like that idea. It's like using I don't know notational velocity or or simple note to keep track of notes One thing I like about it is I can just start typing words in and quickly reminds me of all the times I may have said those words before and as I say this I realize it sounds kind of rudimentary But but but and maybe I didn't get this across clear enough You don't get to type anything in these either one of them. They just come to you. Yeah, so in hooked It's you're just you're just a passive consumer you tap so the next one comes but you're it's like watching two other people talking There's like a voyeuristic you're experiencing their story as they talk to each other now There's some limitations to that as a writer You can't set a scene you can't describe what's around you You have to make one of the characters describe what's going on and you have to make it sound natural and with courts with the courts app They they pre-populate your responses and the responses are basically skipped to the next story or tell me more about this They just try to pretty those up so they sound more conversational and natural So if the so the advantage of court sounds like I'm getting it fed to me like I would a live feed almost like a Hey, this stuff's going on. It's like it's like it's as if I were text messaging it to you Bubble that says hey, did you hear that this? Ethiopian runner can't go back to his his country because he did a protest move when he crossed the line in the marathon And then it'll say like to this is an actual story from today It had an Ethiopian flag and emoji and then it had said anything else And if you wanted to hear more you tap the Ethiopian flag and would tell you a little more about What was going on with that guy if I tapped anything else it would just take me to another story Yeah, no, I totally get it. Why is it for some reason my brain wants to keep pushing toward well Then how can I start to interact with it? Well, and and that could be something hooked as has talked about like what if we did choose your own adventure type situation? branching stories where you could interact But it's not what they're doing yet and yet and yet it's catching on there's a lot of people that are way into hooked and I think that's what's fascinating is is your brain does want to do that You're like well, but if it's a messaging interface then obviously it should be a bot and it's not we've heard so much about bots and This is an interface that says no We're just using it as the interface instead of the left side nav and some text in the middle in a headline We're using that text message look to tell you a story thus thus Potentially anyway appealing to a entire generation of people whose communications methods are surrounding this interface That's all they do. Like my kids. This is it. They don't talk on their phones ever unless I call them It is always some sort of chat interface whether it's iMessage or some other messaging app What's app or something or it's you know Facebook Messenger or something else that is their entire thing So the idea that their their other consumption needs on a phone or on a device could be handled in that same way Is it the very least interesting? I just can't stop myself from wanting to interact with it Like I just downloaded hooked for the first time first story started coming in and man I want to type on there. I just want to go hold on a minute like wait. Let me ask you a question But at the same time when I downloaded it this weekend and it gave me that a story Right off before you even get into the app Which I think is actually kind of a nifty way to to onboard you as they say And I was like I might want to skip out of this story and they gave you the option to skip out And I didn't I made it all the way to the end because every time they would say something I would want to be like well, what's the response going to be so you've had a few of them since are they all What's the length these things are they pretty long a few minutes long? I've only read that that first one and then wrote one Okay, they actually they actually give you an estimate. I think of how long they take to that's it's pretty neat I have to admit. I really like the idea I don't know why I keep wanting to interact with it and I and I am why I feel I mean it's a different conversation obviously because because bots are a whole different animal and We're you know, we're talking about apples and oranges But the joining of those two things that's when things get really interesting to me. I've been watching too much Mr. Robot That's the problem. I just recognize what's going on. I just want to get right in there in that command line Ttying I have someone's telling me to follow the right rabbit like in the matrix or whatever and that's really cool to me Like I I really like like neantics a game their game before Pokemon go. What was it called that? That had some promise of that right like this feeling of It's the real world that I'm getting these messages and these videos are coming to me be an email and all this and yeah That's super interesting to me. So what you've described sounds like a taste of that and we'll see how it goes from here I really like it. I'm I'm I'm curious too and and and Roger is our producer is actually pointing out in chat It's an interesting take on info comm and interactive fiction and it could become it could become very much something like that as well But I I I think I still wonder whether this is a fad Because everybody's in WhatsApp and we chat and text messaging all the time And so it's it's just writing on that and we'll get tired of it or is there something to this and Maybe bots are part of keeping it in our consciousness where just the interface even without the interactivity Will be a new format that we'll consume things in whether it's news or fiction I Think there might be something to that because there was an element There were certain things you couldn't tell in this story and that's true of any different Maybe the certain things you can't tell as well in a movie as you can in a book and vice versa There are certain things you couldn't do but it was very dialogue focused And I know some writers are horrible at dialogue and some writers love dialogue and those writers that lean into dialogue Or would love this medium. I think yeah, I think you're right. I remember back in circa late 2014 There was an app. I think it was called a dark room or the dark room I don't remember but it was a text-based adventure that shot to the top of the charts on the App Store And I remember thinking this is like Zork or like like Roger saying in the chat It's like this old info-com kind of yeah, yeah the storytelling and you forget that most of the other stuff We do in gaming is an extension of that. It's a visual extension of it We're now seeing things we've never seen before but back in the day It was your imagination was the graphics card and you were left to you know At a fork in a road you're gonna go left or right or pick up the rock in the street And there was something magical about that So maybe all this is is a whole new generation getting tapped into and realize how cool that can be and there's I'm doing a little searching if there are some other apps and experiences and stuff that are You know curated stories guys stranded on a planet can't get off of that. You're his only point of contact He'll only contact you twice a day because that's like kind of like the Martian There's only a certain time a day when he can do it to get the signal to you like that's a really cool Method you're right though will it last or we will find a better way to represent it and Yeah, I don't know it's like vinyl. We're back in a vinyl baby. Yeah. Yeah back to text text-based adventures in vinyl Who the 70s are here? All right Real quickly. I want to remind folks that this Sunday Peter Wells from Australia will be doing a day six Peter what are you going to be talking about? Great on this is Pete in Sydney with a preview of what's happening on this Sunday show Well, of course, we're gonna be talking about the tasty nutrient to hit my Nexus phone And that is Nougat because that's how you say you say it Nougat not Nougat or whatever you said the other day This is gonna be a really painful year Listening to American podcasts as you all say it wrong just like you say niche marketing Incorrectly or Cache or a whole bunch of other things Anyway, we'll be talking about that and anything else that pops up between now and Sunday And a big shout out to the lovely listener out in Trinidad who bought himself a Sydney Swans Guernsey for the finals this year. That's awesome. All right, speak to you Sunday. See ya college Jersey and Guernsey We're back to Giff and Giff it's Nougat in the United States Perhaps it's Nougat in the land of Nissen instead of Nissan But whatever you call it. I'm actually really excited about androids n named Operating system. It's fine. Look, I've eaten them three months to tears. I know what's up with Nougat Yes, these states United and every commercial I ever saw as a kid They said Nougat, so I'm just saying and if they're wrong then I'm wrong Yeah, no of all the food based names. They've given this stuff. I find Nougat to be the most tasty of them all You're just killing Pete Wells right now every time we say Nougat. I do say niche instead of niche though Do you know that one? Yeah, I say quits instead of quiche Do you now? We got some messages in response to our conversations yesterday about whether border agents should be asking you for your social media Handles Matt said you're probably correct when you say the ones who have something to hide won't list their social media details But their families and friends might this is a means to collect intelligence and match associations I think we're also kidding ourselves if we think our government and every other government is not actually doing this already It's not a difficult process to take some information from a customs form hit Twitter and Facebook and do a search I would almost be disappointed if they were not at this point And then he points out that the onion had it figured out years ago that CIA's Facebook program dramatically cuts the the need for intelligence Agency collection we just volunteer this stuff and then Jason kind of followed that up He said as someone who's been online dating for a while I can attest to how trivial it is to find someone's social media profile with just a first name and some basic demographic information I regularly vet my dates by looking up their social media profiles and finding these profiles rarely takes more than a minute If US customs wanted to find a travelers profile I'm confident they can do so quickly and easily disclosing your account just saves them a couple minutes of googling I completely agree with that. Also. There's a reason I went with my name instead of some fake name on the internet And it's because I figure it's easy either way, so they may as well know who I am and I got nothing to hide So there it is and I kept my ridiculous Twitter handle ace detect because I only want people who really care No, I like your method your security by obscurity thing is actually pretty strong. I like it Ned writes VCRs had a copy protection method that was practically very similar to HDCP He's writing in regards to our our discussion of of analog audio He says VCRs copy protection method worked over a composite video signal It essentially prevented you from making a direct copy of a tape by inserting excessive signal levels that messed with the gain control There's a great explanation and how stuff works calm the dumb video signal that you desire actually already exists and is called HD SDI this standard is uncompressed unencrypted high definition digital video. It does not support HDCP and Can work on cable runs up to a thousand feet? This is the standard for professional video systems around the world the audio equivalent of a dumb signal Done digital signals called AES and the day that phones and laptops support these standards would be a grand day for us all Why they are not I will never understand. This is great information Ned. Thank you for sharing it with us It is more of a social reason that analog is without copy protection and digital is it's not that either one naturally can't or can Or have to support some kind of copy protection This this email taught me something. I have a friend who works at a local NBC affiliate and he does cable runs for remote pieces that they do and he has mentioned HD SDI before and I didn't know what the crap he was talking about Makes perfect sense in an investor in a setting where you need to run a bunch of cable and not worry about Something getting hitched up because of DRM or length problems or whatever Go for it. So I don't understand either Let's have it. Yeah, it's all about them trying to stop people from copying things Which eventually will end because you can't really It's just it's just a battle of attrition at this point Well, thank you Scott Johnson for joining us as always working folks find out more about what's going on with you these Oh best place is probably my Twitter account at Scott Johnson. 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This game is so I get confirmation that other Australians also say that this app is really interesting because it is a lot like that When I was talking about being stranded in space except you were answering him and you did it with three choices of dialogue Was like branching dialogue, but other than that like I'm getting the same feeling about it. Yeah, that's really cool, man Well, you should you should check out my Did you link it or something? There's a way it on Twitter on Sunday if you go back go back to Sunday There's a link to it in there. I will go find I don't know if you could read the whole thing Or if it's just a teaser, right? All right Can you hear me? Yes, we can Oh What's the kind of title do you have hell was sucking up on my CPU cycles, but ever Top is fly me to the loon Hooked on reading hooked on a reading The messenger is the medium I like all these so far these are all good the search for intelligent life in Cupertino Have you had your Google fiber? Scott No, no The word flow Google ads insult to injury. I like Zork chat Zork chat. I would play Zork chat You know it wouldn't take a lot to repurpose a lot of those games because they were kind of written with a lot of those Good the same kind of floor plan They were enough to inspire me to learn basic on my Apple to and write my own it wasn't very good But I wrote like a text-based space adventure I'm not sure if this is shameful to admit but those games taught me how to type there you go because they were very Unforgiving for for spellings. Yeah, it's a progress in the game. You have to learn how to type All kinds of computer stuff taught me what little skill at typing that I have which is not very much And and definitely info comm games were one of those deadline was my favorite Well, because you had to type in complete sentences on certain things. It's so you like open the door, you know using the key You know you so you figure out like where all the keys well Machine learning is finally getting us to the point where we could do what I wanted to do on info comm games Which is not have to look up what the words were and not have a go. I don't understand jelly donuts Like they would you can if I could just talk in natural language and have it understand me Um fly me to the loon or hooked on a reading. I like the messenger is the medium. That's a that's a good one. Yeah See what does that say? What do you say? For the win CLI What was CLI I'm trying to remember for the win All I remember CLI Is that a game? Ken from Chicago is he talking about info calm. Well, he just said a satiric Roger CF CLI for the win remember No time to try that we had to type The other one the other one was a month command line interface. Oh got it You know that didn't actually help me even though I had even though I typed up bat scripts and all that like it wasn't like the Typing like a complete sentence like straight out like the game that would demand it not Zork, but I played Border zone and the was the one before dead lot not deadline There's a murder mystery one or is it star crossed like it was really kind of confusing at the time murder mystery That's the one I played. Okay, maybe that was it There's deadline Hitchhiker's guide which I wanted to get Trinity, but I thought it might be a little too out there because the way they described the game There was an incoming nuclear war and you had a way to dodge it But you would have to escape to a ten vex talking about muds to Mud so many people on muds all the people you didn't want to meet Scott's writing his next and sorry I'm totally into the story. They're telling me. All right. Is that what you're doing? I didn't think I would even care of it now It's like even kind of crazy how it sucks you in and I think it has to do with the fact that it's one You know like you get a message on well, what are they gonna say back and you just know It's by this it's tapping into something in our brains You know what it is and this I always joked about because it's this I always talked about doing some sort of like Twitter or chat Theater where everyone would take a role and as an audience It would be part of the group chat, but you would hear like for example you Scott and you Tom would talk to each other and you would talk together in a Conversational way there was somebody who did that with the the assault on the Death Star and they assign Oh, yeah, different people on Twitter. You're like your red leader your gold one and they did that whole thing That was really fun. There's a there's a fight. There's a vicarious Vicarious nature to it like you're in it Although not physically in it and adds to the verisimilitude that you're being in the real conversation because it's like if you had a Conference call right and then a bunch of other people are talking about various things that say like a radio play like they did to Was it War of the Worlds? Yeah, where they really kind of add that emphasis where it's like well, it might be happening. It's kind of cool Yeah, I like that stuff. There might be tripods on the Potomac which story are you reading Scott? It's one about a Some girl stuck in a basement, but it's like hot. Yeah, that's the same one. They on boarded me with so I think that might be their default first story. It's really good. Yeah, it's not bad. I Guess I'm surprised. I don't know. I don't know what this is about me You're surprised at how quickly you got yeah, like I don't know It's weird cuz it's like um, I mean, I know this is the point and this is why they made the app and why it's doing well, but I Thought I would be more like us. You know, this is queen Yeah, queen but like you know, it's it's it's kind of a gimmick and haha Okay, cool, then I'd move on but I really am interested to see how she gets out of this mess She's in also watching the night of and that's not helping. Okay That show yeah, I feel like it works best with mysteries Yeah, you're trying to figure out what's going on. Yeah, if it's just like banter I'm not sure it would work as well, but this whole like describe where you're at You know, I wonder if you could translate like a TV episode script that way Well, no because then they would have to just you need a way to describe the setting that they're at or maybe It's basically that old that old horse the horror trope about girls on the phone guy on the phones telling her what to do And he was in the house the whole time, you know like that There's something intrinsically interesting and intriguing about that idea, and I think that's what this is It's just the same sort of thing Just like this two-way Situations where there's a lot of tension because one person can't really do anything to help the other person. Yeah, I Put the tweet in the chat room if anybody's interested in checking out the cell a Story The the I tried to introduce a third character, which is technologically questionable because how would somebody just jump into your Your chat without you knowing they were there in the first place, but oh that's kind of cool though That's very mr. Robot. I like that So on this Is there just a template you use to type? the actual story into or Do you have to like you do it on the app, and they just did they you know they they get they say like okay? You can put your Person's name here, and then they'll save that as an option that you can continue to use And then you type their message and the only other option you have is to put the little dot dot dot Which is that like oh there this makes you think that they're typing a response, but you're not seeing it yet You only got maybe I don't like because I don't I I Mean what's is there a limit like how long these go? It's it's weird not knowing It's not that I need it to be short or long or something in between. I just don't know So there's something weird about that to me like about not knowing how far into it you are yeah Like I'll be in a I'll be in a show on Netflix or something that I can Halfway through there's no progress bar unhooked. Yeah, I don't know why that's a thing, but it is for me I think it's because we're so used to chapters And then ways can be broken out Yeah Well, and we always like to know how far like the reason progress bars exist is to stop people from bailing When they were close to the end because people it's a psychological thing you want to know you're making progress if you want to get out Yeah, I think that's right. I do it just in case my Aliac happens like well how much time do we have left if it's like over half an hour We'll just what we'll finish it up the next day. I like when video games tell me progress as well depending on the kind of game it is, but I like to be told that I'm less Annoyed by if the game is compelling enough to keep me wanting to play it but some I don't want I don't like the Like the the false ending and then you got the real ending right after it's like ah Am I done with this game yet? I remember that every time I see your icon in the Corner saying that your friend owns this game. I'm sorry Now it's just always there it's like my little friend on steam I can always see that Roger automatically owns everything's all the games It's curse, you know, I know you don't even have time to use it It's like a Twilight Zone. Well like had like you know some of the triple a games barely No, they run on my system now, but the video still I have a GTX 570 so it chokes Iron stuff as I don't do to detune it. Although. I wasn't really too bowled over by no man sky But maybe I've only played like an hour. It's worth But I wasn't like feeling it. It's I was telling Patrick. I think it's it's an infinite bowl of oatmeal That's actually a pretty good description Sometimes you like oatmeal yeah Infinite is cool, right like it's the technology that you're like man that is awesome But after a while you realize what's the same oatmeal still you know male. Yeah, I'm ready for something else I mean which why even sandbox games like What's the Bethesda fallout 4 to 4 or 3 I keep forgetting what number Like after a while, it's like okay. I get him on this Mission or whatever I built these things he can it's just more of the same after a while You you you want something different for dinner? Have you tried the Have you seen the Batman the telltale Batman games? I have it. I haven't played it though I got a free key from the developer and I haven't played it. Let me know what you think because I have my own Like I've only played like the first thing. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm very curious about it It's I know it's a much more adult take on Batman. It's pretty much an adult take is definitely less You'll see what I mean when you play it It's let me guess you're gonna say it's less Batman or more Bruce Wayne No, it's not even it's not even carrot It's not even like the actual game mechanics. You'll see Have you played that you've played like the telltale? So it's not straight inventory, but a Lot of quick time. It feels like a lot of quick It's like there I played both of the well two of the walking dead ones that they made And I also played the what was the last one. Oh, um, oh The one based on the DC Comics fables books Oh, yeah, the Wolf Wolf instead of not Wolf's enemy It's a me me and the wolf wolf's wolf's RS. I forgot. Yeah, what the Yeah, the one about the werewolf guy and that was so good. Oh my gosh that game was good I did not like back to the future. Yeah back futures bad I really wanted to like back to you because I like back to the fee as I kind of like this It was too adventure that one We could have if it had gone a little more cinematic like these I think it would have done better and also the game of Thrones ones really good Oh, I haven't I haven't tried that the wolf among us Wolf among us wolf among us Borderlands tale or whatever it's called and The one the walking dead Thrones ones all really really really good. I had the walking dead really I didn't like it at first but after a couple hours. I really be getting I really got engaged They're best ones are the ones where you get engaged with the characters the game itself is you know, whatever it is But I agree with you if you can get that's why I like wolf among us those characters are awesome They're based on that comic, but they're so well realized. It's really really good. I mean wolf in it up I may have a key to that. What am I saying? You could just download it You just have it on steam. Yeah, I definitely wanted to be called wolf in it up by the way I Wolf in it up to put oh oh Yeah, what's a fair I guess all their all fairy tales that take place in space like Star Wars Star Trek Take a sci-fi adventure Buck Rogers. That's a fairy tale all of it. All of it is especially Star Wars. I think Not in a pejorative way, but you know it'll be interesting space race if China successfully gets their little rover up there Yeah, and a new visit to the moon before we do I would like to see NASA and China's space program cooperating which they're not allowed to do right now because of US rules and and also because of things that China has done that Voked the US to do those rules. I'm not saying which side is right there But it would be nice if you know if we can cooperate with Russia on stuff Should be able to figure out how to cooperate by their engines because make pretty good engines although the whole idea with having SpaceX and What's the what's the what's the Bezos blue origin? Yeah, I don't know origin. No, I think it's origin is to have a viable commercial industry that they can Base it off of I Know it's it's it'll be interesting. I mean the whole the whole reason why the space race sort of fizzle that at the end After landing on the moon is just an enormous cost and that return on return on investment that you could show the public directly Mm-hmm. I mean there were a lot of spin-off benefits But part of what drove it was this keeping up with the Russians thing So maybe we just need someone else to keep up with and then competition kicks in again, you know Now we just cooperate with the Russian Yeah, and India is doing good stuff Japan's doing good stuff ESA and Europe is doing good stuff like there's there is competition. So yeah, I mean it's it will be it was it's interesting And they all pick The one area that no one else has done because it satisfies a multitude of things one, you're not retreading over someone's existing Yeah exploration to you can say viably like hey, we found slash discovered this phenomena or whatever And three it does give you a bit of cachet to say hey, we struck out on our own and we found this particular thing Yep Well folks, thanks for watching reminder once again Only two more shows with me on them before I go on vacation. I will be back I don't mean two more shows and then I'm gone. It's just scotch to be filling in for a couple. It's gonna be awesome Yes, more than a couple. You're gonna be filling in for free, right? I was using couple is a is a non-determinant one two Three three three three four four you're doing one ruple Oh, I take one more lick to get to the center of a tootsie pop Mm-hmm, so you know to the first week and to the second week. Oh, that's right Well, thanks for listening. Thanks for watching. We'll see you tomorrow