 Fel ydych chi'n bwysig iawn, yn rhan dros y dweud, rwy'n fan hyfforddiant yn y gallu fathrach gan y Cymru Fygoedd, yn cras, inni, yma, 7-3 deisg yn 22-2. O pencil yw hyfforddiant yn byw.どodd yn cael sorg iechydig, wrth gwrs? Fygoedd yna, yn cael sorg iechydig. Rwy'n credu yna, rwy'n credu yna, na! Mae'n cael eich hunion? Mae'n cael eu cyfeirio ar gyfer y swyffc yn ei wneud i'r llwyddoll, ond pe fyddwn i'r llwyddoll yn ei gwneud. Mae'n cael ei wneud i'w cerddol i fyddwn i'r cyfeirio, ond ei ddim yn fawr ar y proses. Mae'n cael eu cerddol i'r cerddol i'r cyfeirio, a genious company, Meldrishwp, Ryfxen, Roel, Unified Community Partnership. On the task and finished group, which is working on this application for the underpass, so what I was going to suggest that if I am allowed, I will speak to it, but then one vote, that's okay. Thank you. Okay, moving on, new members as usual. Ieithwyl, mae geni'n gweithio'r byw yma, rwy'n gweithio'r cyfnodd y dweudio, ac mae hi'n芬od o'r dwylo'r cyfnodd, rwy'n gweithio'r dweudio'r cyfnodd, dwi'n gweithio'r dwylo. Mae'n gweithio'r dwylo, mae'n gweithio'r dwylo, mae'n gweithio'r dwylo. Nawr, maen nhw dyfodd y cwmint, dwi'n gweithio'r dweudio'r dwylo'r dwylo'r dwylo'r cyfnodd. Yn ymlaen, ac os ydych yn oed o'i wneud o'r appredadau ffondiwn, dyma yn yma yn ymlaen, rwy'n rhaid i'w Emma Dyle, ymlaen yma, ymlaen yn ymlaen i'r ymlaen, ac mae'n teimlo eu bod yna yn ymlaen, mae'n byw'n gwybod i ddiwydiad yma yn y dyma, ac mae'n gwaith i ddiwydiad. Ynny'n gwybod i gyd yma, ddodd yma. Rwy'n rai'n gwneud, ein bod ni'n nhw'n rai'n ei fod yn bwysig i chi, Jane nhw'n gyfer y tafnod. Mae'n rhywbeth Jane, mae'n ei gweithio i chi ddiwedd yn rai, rwy'n gyntaf i chi dda i gwybod a'u gweithio i chi felly mae'n rai'n gweithio i chi ddau lleidol y community chest reports. Rwy'n gweithio i chi, Jane. Rwy'n gweithio i chi, dwi'n gweithio i chi. Rwy'n gweithio i chi, rwy'n gweithio i chi. Rwy'n gweithio i chi, Jane. Gwyddo i gydag i gydig di'n cael ei gydig. Ac yna'r dayd gyda'r hynny. Dyna'r dayd. 298.60. So, the first application is the Meldrith, Sheprith, and Foxham Community Rail Partnership on page nine. So, this was formed in 2013 and aims to develop links with schools and local businesses associated with our local rail services and to enhance sustainable transport links in the wider area. So, I will briefly just go through it. Basically, there is a Meldrith to Melbourne A10 underpass improvement project, which started in December 2020. There was a sexual assault at the underpass and a survey has gone out to local residents, commuters and local school children and basically it's identified that the underpass is considered intimidating. This is mainly due to lack of lighting, overgrowth of vegetation and out of date and graffiti artwork. And you can see the pictures there to demonstrate this. So, again, so lighting, obviously a main thing, vegetation. I've talked about that there artwork. So, basically what they would like to do is with the lighting, they would like to make it, I mean, obviously, you know about this chair, but make it less, make it a bit brighter by using a certain type of paint so that it reflects it in a different way, cut back some of the vegetation and install a camera as well. So that, you know, and also lighting, I think, is lighting at different times, which is different to the main lighting. So it's controlled separately to give it more light. So this would again tackle antisocial behaviour, enhance the environment and also provide a creative opportunities for young people to develop the artwork that would go inside. And this would be sprayed with anti graffiti paint afterwards. And they would work with a school and a local artist on this. So total project costs are seven thousand and seventy five pounds. And as you can see, that would be to install a solar dial timer, time clock controller. The art workshops, materials, art installation. They've applied to two thousand pounds from us. They've also made some applications to other organisations, including the Community Rail Development Fund of two thousand five hundred, the contractors to the Science Park and Brentwood Cytech. That's to be announced. And also the parish councils of Melbourne and Meldrith. Like you said, councillor, Joes, you are on the task and finish group along with Sally Ann Hart. So you're very much in support. So that's my very brief for me description of it. Thanks Emma. Right, colleagues, what I'm going to do is I'm going to hand over to Sue. So I'm relieved of the thing. I mean, if I may speak to you just quickly, that's OK. Yes, you do. So as Emma said, this is a really needed project. It's there are literally nearly a dozen various organisations along the way that have been approached for help, whether it be advice, money, service, you know, work and what have you say. It's actually a very, a very rounded project and you get to sit in every box that we have, every box we tick. So as you can obviously hear from Emma, she said I'm extremely supportive of this. And this was, as I would say, was triggered by an assault on a person in December 20, which was rather it came very close to not been. So that was, yeah, that's not something that is quite disturbing. So that was that was the reason for all of this. And as I said, the surveys and what have you have come back with a vast wealth of information. So that's good. I'll hand over to Sue for this one for anything else from you guys. Thanks. Any questions, Judith? I'm just to say I'm fully supported of this application. I support it. I just wondered whether you could. I don't think I've found it. Let me know how well used this pulse is going to be. It's actually pretty well used now. There's a lot of schoolchildren using it because there was an arrangement made with Thames, Govia, Templin, Govia for a cheap affair. So there was lots of children going from the college. That was unfortunately at the end of the day. Obviously a lot of people going for the train for work. Following the assault, there was another another route and it was overgrown. So we were seeing people divert off and walking down sides of the road and disappeared to get around to the station that way. And ironically, we were just standing there. Some officers from the district and County and myself. Susan van der Ven and Sally Ann. We were standing there talking and discussing the thing and we saw people coming along, children, teenagers who would stop and go back. They would not come towards us. So we kind of brought it home a little bit. So it's actually very well used. And are the two other officers of money or hopeful of some money dependent on us agreeing this award grant? I'm not sure you might be able to help chair on this one. I think every application that's been made is to allow the project to run forward. The the noises coming from all the ones that are still to be agreed are very positive noises. It was just for catching up with meetings and stuff like that with the various parishes and things like that. But the bruntwood site tech is the technology partnership, the TTP site. TTP have essentially sold their site or at least offer 250 years to this investment company who are a site tech investment company. They're redeveloping and so they're now taking that site. So they are very much in the community minded and they are actively encouraging that all of the staff on the site to use public transport. So this is another reason why it's so much there. It all sounds extremely positive and certainly I would support it. I think that means we all support it. So I think we can say yes, please. OK, I'll pass back to you. Thank you very much, Catherine. OK, Emma, on to number two, please. Fesi, yes, by the way, I believe. By page 11, we have the Swaithersy Squash Club. This is a not for profit community sports facility formed in 1975. It currently has 220 members who pay £17 a month for membership. The committee was run by volunteers. It's got a number of aims, which you can see there. It's welcomes players of all ages and every socio demographic group. Because of the excellent road conditions, parking and access by other guided bus, the cycle makes the club basically a convenient location. And there are not many squash courts in South Cambridgeshire, so a lot of people come from far and wide. And the club has got three squash courts, changing facilities and a viewing and lounge area. But what's happened is over the years due to wear and tear, the squash courts are now in a state of disrepair. Normally they last about 30 years before replacement, and these are 47 years old. And some of the parts that are needed are quite urgently needed. Mainly you would need to sort of replaster the walls and also put some more flooring in, some wooden flooring. Total project costs are around £19,100. £19,100, sorry. And that's to replaster court one, do the floor in court one, and then court two floor and court three floor. They've got reserves to cover most of the outlay, but need help with the final £4,500 and they've applied for £2,000. Further applications have been made to the Mick George fund. They're waiting the outcome of that one. And also the Suave Sea Parish Council. That's for £1,000 and they're also awaiting an outcome. Green options have been considered and they use marble in the plaster, which is ground up reused marble. And the wood that is used for the floor is from a sustainable source. Councillor Sue Wellington, we have your approval as well. So over to you. Thanks Emma. I was going to say to Sue that when he's done that, we should go and have Emma Squash, you reckon? I've never played Squash in my life. OK, thank you Emma for that. Colleagues, any comments? Other than this seems like a totally valid project and one we should be supporting. I support it, yeah. Much obliged, OK. That's a yes then Emma, thank you. OK, lovely. OK, so on to page 12, we have the Meldrith Crisis Community Support group. This is a venture that was initially set up during the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic. Previously known as the Meldrith Coronavirus Community Support group. And what they want to do is set up a winter emergency food bank using the expertise and cash reserves to help support members of the community during the cost of living crisis. So obviously that's coming up now. The well it is now, should I say? The food bank will be housed in the storage cupboards at Elinway, Elinway, I don't know how to pronounce that one, Elinway, the community centre and opened once a week and accessible by direct mobile to food bank, sorry, accessible by the direct mobile to the food bank coordinator. Drop off boxes for contributions will be located in the village. Communication will go up to every household, so it will be widely publicised. And they would like one thousand one hundred and forty five pounds from the community chest for some lockable steel storage cupboards with three shelves. And also the rates which we've is that is charged at five pounds an hour, I found out. And they've since said since this this report was published that they the initial plan is to run for four hours a week, which equates to five hundred and twenty pounds in obviously the room higher. The cupboards are made of recyclable material, no plastic. And yeah, so yeah, so it's obviously a positive thing. And also they will be available to others to use in the event of the food bank discontinued continuing after the planned term that they have got in place. So hopefully will be a sort of long term thing. Chair, you are in support. Any questions on this one? So later. I'm just wondering are we are we decide what exactly food wise are we storing in these cupboards, will it be the proper temperature, et cetera? I don't know what sort of food stuff we're going here. It's going to be non perishable stuff. So you're sort of bog stand of sort of tins and things that have got a long expiry date on them. So it wouldn't be anything that would be perishable. Any other questions, Judith? So in that case, are we in agreement? Yeah, agreed. Thank you very much. Agreed. Okay. So on to page 14, we have the A10 corridor cycle campaign. This was formed in 2013 and to promote and to provide a coherent body of public support with a view to ensuring that the area between Royston and Cambridge was considered for improvements to active travel schemes such as improved cycling and walking infrastructures. Currently, they have 150 members, a broad range of people that are on the committee and what they would like to do is install six secure cycle racks at Foxham Village Shop and the White Horse Pub. These are key amenities in the village in the centre. So this would obviously encourage active travel and more trips by bicycle, as well as raising the profile of everyday cycling within the village. So to supply and fit sixth Sheffield stands is one thousand three hundred and fifty three pounds sixty, of which all is being requested from the community chest. The Foxham Village Shop and the White Horse Pub in Foxham will contribute one hundred pounds to make up the shortfall. We also have support from councillor, Dr. James Hobrow, and he is in close contact with with with the group with this application. So over to you. Thanks, I know this group very well. I often meet them when I'm not on a bike. But they are an incredibly active group just to just to let members know that the White Horse Pub and the Village Shop are almost opposite each other and within literally spitting distance of each other. So these these stands, I understand from councillor Hobrow, are going to be multi use for anybody. Basically, if you're going to the shop and they're for you, you can use the others and vice versa. So it kind of makes sense. OK, Sue first in Judith, please. I'm concerned about the security of the cycle racks. Yes, they're in public view, but it in swathes who we are having extreme problems with bikes being left in the rack on the guided bus. One goes missing at least once a week and usually more than that. However many locks they have on them. And it really does seem to me that there is the opportunity for it for the bikes to go missing and not be returned. I don't know if I'm being a bit too particular here, but this is the kind of thing that I thought would come to zero carbon communities application being an act of travel, greening kind of idea. I'm not I'm not sure if it's coming to the right thing, but possibly that doesn't matter. And it's more of a question, really. I think I have a feeling that this went to the zero carbon, but it was too small to some, so I think that's yeah. Although zero carbon communities for £1,000 up to £15,000, I think it fits in here because obviously one of the aims of the community chest is obviously to promote well-being as well. Obviously it's green, it's a green way of travel as well. So it can kind of go into either. But I think, like Joe's health says, is because it basically is quite a low amount, but it could it could go into both. But I think because also this is a monthly committee in the zero carbon communities, one is a yearly fund. It just depends on timings as well. OK, so I suppose it doesn't matter which pot it comes out of as long as another pot is sort of deprived by being in the wrong place. But although obviously I'm really supportive of things which increase active travel and on the security point of view, if they are really well positioned where there's good sight lines and they're well used, it's a bit of a vicious circle, isn't it? If lots of people use them, lots of people walking around, they're less likely to be taken, but then people won't use them. If they fear they will be taken that if it's in a good visible place, I feel more, you know, more happy about the security. I'd like to come to Councillor John Williams, only member of finance, who's got his hand up, so. Thank you, chair. I have to say, experiencing Cornwall High Street is the opposite that people leave their bikes there and they're not, they're just left and it's left to the parish council to have to somehow saw the lock off to get them to take them away. You know, I'm quite happy with this. I think it's a really good facility. Picking up the members for the reason it's come here is because we made a decision last year, I think, when we were looking at the zero carbon funds, that the small ones should come to this committee. For the very reason that, as Emma said, this committee meets every month, they don't have to wait whole year. And it also meant that they might actually miss out because of a bigger scheme taking precedent over them. So we actually made a decision, I think it was last year or year before even, that such small schemes should come to community chess. So it is the right place for this. As to security, I mean, you know, cars get stolen doesn't mean we shouldn't have parking spaces. So I'm very accurate to support this. Thank you, John. Thank you for that explanation. Any more comments from colleagues? So are we in agreement or otherwise? Yes. Thank you, Emma. I'll see you for the next one. Lovely. This is our first or only biodiversity project on page 15 from Cambridge past, present and future. So they've been operating for more than 95 years and they own, care for and open to the public following sites. Wunderbury Country Park, Cotun Countryside Reserve, Cambridge Leopard Chapel, Bournemill and Hinkston Watermill. And their aim is to protect the amenities, green spaces, historic buildings, character and setting of Cambridge and its neighbourhood for the benefit of the public. And they also run a programme of over 100 educational, cultural and recreational events. Currently, there are 2,000 members each paying £27 or £37 a year. And this project is at Wunderbury Country Park, which is well used. It they would like to enhance biodiversity with a small scale nature project and they will do this by creating a pollinator garden to provide a food source and habitat for invertebrates. It will also help with the pollination of a nearby orchard whose fruit goes to food banks and also a beehive that is used for school visits. The area is within the former walled garden of the Wunderbury State and has been chosen because it's warm and sheltered, so it's better for planting. The planting plan has been designed by a volunteer who is a retired water culturist and the planting scheme will be a mulched dry garden, so it requires less water. So basically they would also engage with visitors and volunteers with the initial planting, watering and weeding of the garden. And obviously it has links, plants and pollinators and encourages people to take action on climate change. And you can see a little picture of the plan there. Total project costs are £3,720 and £2,000 has been requested from the community chest. And you can see that's broken down into staff costs, plants themselves and soil, weed mats, mulch, seating area as well, that's part of the projects and equipment, such as rotivators and things like that. They've made some applications to the Cambridge Community Foundation, the Pebble Fund and the Great Big Green Week, although the last two were unsuccessful, but they're still wasting the outcome of the Cambridge Community Foundation application. Any shortfalls will be met through fundraising and if they have any excess funds, they have confirmed that they would have some sort of discussions on basically how things would be run, how money would be allocated, returned and accepted. So it's well thought out. Both Siobhan Mellon, our climate environment development officer and John Cornel, our natural environment team leader are both in support, they haven't got any issues with it. And as has Councillor Peter Fane, he's very much in support as well. Thank you Emma, colleagues. Any questions, Judith? It just looks like a really good application. Senator. I think it's very good to have anything to do with nature for people's mental health as well. Sorry. In that case, I think we have a unanimous approval. Thank you. Lovely. OK, so on to page 17. This is the first of our deferred applications. This is Camborn Church. This was deferred from July's Grants Advisory Committee meeting. Basically, if you remember, this was the oven at the church and we were deliberating what the questions that were raised were, would they consider an electric oven as opposed to the gas oven on the original application? They've provided some further information. They have stated that their preferred option was the electric oven, which is a little bit more expensive at five thousand and thirty four pounds. And they did say they have said in this email that if they were awarded two thousand pounds from the community chest, the church will contribute the remaining four thousand pounds or so needed for the oven and its installation. So I hope that some further information will be sufficient. Yeah, thank you, because that was that was a sticking point, I think, wasn't it? So yeah, I can see John nodding, Sue's nodding, Judith and Senator, do you have anything to say? Just that, yeah, we should be helping to provide something which is more sustainable and yeah, especially with current prices of gas. This might also be in the long term a better option anyway, even if the outlay is higher at the moment. Senator. Yes, you're OK. Yeah, thank you very much. That's a yes from us in the thank you. And could you could you pass on our thanks to the the applicants for this particular one for taking the trouble to come back and reassess and what have you? Of course, we're grateful they've done that. And we're obviously grateful that we can help them in thanks. Absolutely. OK, so on to page 19. This is the other deferral from Hope Against Poverty Community Interest Company. This was deferred from August's Grant's Advisory Committee meeting. And if you remember, this was to do with them, they would like to provide some Christmas hampers to those that are in need within the whole of the district. The application was deferred depending details of the following details. The first was information about the measures in place to assess eligibility for the hampers. They have said that they referrals come from various organisations such as Cambridge County Council, ourselves, the Town Council, Cambridge Sustainable Food and the Patworth Trust. They target groups that aren't they don't have access to benefits, so perhaps people that maybe work at full time on minimum wages or zero hour contracts that might have a few children as well. So they might be struggling to obviously with the cost of living crisis as well. It might be quite difficult for them to afford nice food. The food project has been running for the last 11 months and there are 178 registered members who are eligible for a free food parcel once a week. And when they receive new nominations, the beneficiary is invited to the food project where data is collected and eligibility assessed. So did you want to discuss that point first before I move on to the next or do you want me to talk about the other ones as well? I can just just go through it. Just go through all the people if you wouldn't mind. Of course. So the second point was where toys are provided. Do they comply with fire and health and safety standards? They said that toys aren't normally included unless there's a special request. And in these cases, they are carefully selected to ensure that they do comply with these standards. Third point, further information on about the how the 250 pound delivery cost was calculated. Now they've broken it down into cost per kilometre, which works out at 35 pounds. Packaging costs 25 pounds. Delivery driver costs of 150 pounds. And he would do roughly about 16 hours. And then the volunteers costs for any kind of refreshments or anything they need whilst they're providing all this good work. And he's also said that any kind of profits, I think that was a question. Who is the beneficiary of any profits made? They don't make any profits, is what we've been told. Yes, so if you've got any questions. Over to you. Thanks Emma. OK. So this project looks like it's going to be run between Campbell and Town Council. SCDC. Did I hear you mention County as well? That's the referrals, isn't it from County? Yes, that's the referrals. It's quite a wide area of involvement, if you like, from local authorities, if you like. Yeah, because it benefits the whole of the district. It's not just Cambon itself, it's anybody within the district. OK, before I come to colleagues in the room here, can I go to Councillor Williams just to have his take and obviously lead member for finance for SCDC? So we're obviously involved in this, John. Can I have some guidance on this from your good self? Thanks. Well, OK, well, the issue I've got is still the distribution costs. And I hear the breakdown, which it seems to start with, you know, it seems to me that they put a figure on the distribution of the delivery cost, and then they divvied that up between the various elements of that, rather than starting off this is what seems to me anyway. It's starting off by looking at the actual cost of delivery and then producing a total cost for the delivery. As I say, that's the area I have an issue with. If the committee feels that that is reasonable, then I'll go along with committee, but that is my... Otherwise, I would be happy to give a yes to this project. I still have this issue about their costs of delivering the food parcels, but it seems to be excessive. So anyway, but I'm happy to hear what you've got to say and, you know, to go with what you decide. Thanks, John. OK. I'm going to have a seat after myself. Well, you go first, Segal. I go with you, John, in that they are delivering food to these people. All these people are coming and collecting food from the hub. So why are we now paying a delivery driver £150 to deliver them? If you understand me, it's not being picky or have I missed something? It's your job to be picky. Any colleagues, anybody else? Sinitha? I agree with Councillor LinkedIn. I think that if people can pick things up, then that's good. Or pick it up for themselves and other people. It seems like they're doing some of this anyway. With the food parcels, so I agree with the driver and the cost of it. Judith. Yeah, it does seem a bit excessive. I mean, on the other hand, they're not going to know who's going to. It's quite hard to judge who is going to want these parcels from where ahead of time. So it's kind of, yeah, I think I find it quite difficult to work out how they come to that figure in a way, because are they assuming that everyone who wants one of these parcels is going to live miles away and will need somebody to drop it off? Or as Councillor Hans Vars has said, people tend to club together and get somebody to go and collect and distribute, or they come to the hub. It just seemed like quite a lot, and I'm not quite sure how they have got to that figure. OK, I'm not sure if I'm the only person in the room who's been amongst drop delivery driver in his past, but I've done this. It's a horrible job. Right, so they're just assuming they're looking at the 60s or 80s. That's a fair old day's work, if you're going to be doing that anyway. But I take everyone's point with regards to people will turn up and take their own homes, so to speak. John, if you were minded to support this, perhaps there's a halfway house that when we we go back, if there is an approval from colleagues that there's the caveat that it will be a requirement for this money to keep a record of those parcels and what have you, that were actually delivered and using a delivery system rather than a walk in or volunteers. So if they've still got the cost of racking and all the rest of it, I appreciate that if they're making it look nice and what have you. But the actual cost of a delivery driver, they're looking at, was it 35 quid? I think you said, Emma, where it was. If we keep a record and then we can perhaps discuss that any any leftover of that delivery quantity of 250 quid as to what will be done with it and they come back and because they're going to be a report, isn't there, coming back to us. So we expect that to be in the report, the data to be in the report. How does that sit with you, John? Yeah, I think that that would obviously hopefully mean that they would accept that that they need to also need to keep those on the cost of distribution. The only other way that we could do it is is to reimburse them for all the distribution costs rather than rather than give them the money up front. That we we would pay obviously they would have to provide us with the the necessary, you know, provide us with an invoice in effect or an itemised invoice of of of the various journeys and the cost. And then we would we would fund those journeys up to a certain amount. But that would be done retrospectively. It would be done after the event and they may not have that might cause them a cash flow problem. But otherwise it's a committee, you know, is happy to say. We'll give you we'll we'll give you the money. But at the end of the when we come to review how the money is being spent, we will expect you to account for the distribution costs. And that that that may well then ensure that the money is spent in a prudent way. That's to say, that's my only my only problem with this. It is unusual that think of many food banks that actually go and deliver food parcels, so it's in to expect people to come to them and make arrangements to come to them. But. Perhaps we should we could we could use this as a as a trial in a way and and see and it would give us if it obviously give us the experience for a future. Should we have these should we have further requests or applications like this? So really, I'm really, you know, not but I can persuade in one way or the other really about this about this application. I'm reluctant for us to go back again to them on this because I don't think we'll get very much more out of this distribution matter. And clearly, we. We could give them. Presumably, Emma, we I mean, we could give them. Well, minus the cost of the distribution element of what they've asked for. Absolutely say, here you are, you know, we'll fund, we'll fund you, but not the distribution bit because we're not. Clear as to the true cost of that distribution. You haven't you still haven't made it clear. And maybe we could suggest to them that how about we refund you the cost of those of that distribution provided you provide us with the with with an itemised invoice? I am I've spoken to one of the officers in the team because they get they got some funding back in January. I think it's some death refunding that they they had of food related some funding and speaking to the officer, he said that this the person set up the company. He's invested a lot of his own funds and he's really passionate about this and he just wants to give back to the community. So I think and he's very responsible on his emails. When I email him, he comes back within a day. He's he's really good. I have confidence in them. I really do. OK, well, well, well, well, let's say then we will do it this time, but we expect them to provide this with the evidence for the cost of distribution at the end of the year. You know, when when when we come to do the review six months is six months. When do we? It's one year. It's one year. Yeah. OK, so when we come to review them in 12 months time, we expect them to justify the cost of the distribution. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, John. So I think where we were going, so I'm going to come to Syran in June from the second, but we're going with this is Emma, that we'd like a document one way or the other can be whatever they'd like. Yeah, we'd like to know how many were delivered by the driver, how many were picked up in person, how many were picked up and delivered by volunteers, somebody else, how many took multiple friends and relatives and whatever. And I suppose it could be really pedantic and ask for the fuel cost and the drive and the van cost, if you like. And I think that way then we can, as John said, we can then get some data out of this as to any other applications that might come to us in the future. Absolutely. That's all I can put that in the email. I can put that in the email that goes out to them with the caveats. And about the report, I could mention all those points. I would say that's a prerequisite. It wasn't a request, it was a demand. I think this is, it's not, it's not, it's no choice. You will be provided information. And I'm wondering whether or not, because this is unusual when we are going slightly off off-piste, if you like, to a degree, is if we say they're going to have a lot of this data within six months because it's coming over the Christmas period. So I would say that I'd like to hear this for our January or February committee meeting, whichever it is, Kira. That way we can hopefully allay the lead member for finances, fears and what have you put it that way. So if if colleagues in the room are happy with that suggestion that that will be a firm request that they will comply with. Yeah. Because we're going off-piste with this, we wouldn't normally give money for delivery. Great. So then Judith. I suppose the only exit thing, I agree with what you just said and I'm happy to go that one, but the thing is the people aren't getting the parcels now. Why can't these hampers be delivered with their parcel for the week? You know that they're getting them. It says here that they're getting delivered on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays and they get a parcel a week. So why don't the hampers go with the parcel for the week? If they did. So it just it just smacks slightly of being taken for a ride. That's that's the only thing that bothers me. I was going to suggest like giving them slightly less than 2000. But also doing a sort of possible rebate system along the lines of what you've described, cancer hails. And also I don't want to be unkind, but doesn't that also sharpen the mind of how you're going to deliver them, what order, you know, so you do your route so it costs less fuel. And as cancer Ellington said, you can double up surely if they're having deliveries already. I don't see why it's an extra cost to be frank. I'm a bit, yeah, I think maybe a slightly lower amount. If they deliver in the volume, they deliver and they won't get them in the van. It's as simple as that. It's a volume state, I think. So. I think John mentioned it earlier about there may be an issue with cash flow. I'm going to sneeze, excuse me. Sorry. I think this let's go with John's. John's comfortable with paper. I think if we go down the route, if we need the data, which replied six, six months rather than a 12 months, and then we'll have to do where they will have their report of the 12 months. Anyway, that will be a prerequisite for this. And then we can see what's what. I mean, yeah, I think John's happy with that. And he seemed to be I would like to go with that if that's OK with you guys. Yeah, yeah, OK, that's a yes. Then on those those caveats, Emma, thank you. And thank you, John, for your report. That's the last one in, isn't it? It is, yes. Thank you very much. That's absolutely brilliant. I'm glad everybody got what they wanted today. Thank you very much, John, for can I before you before you wind up the meeting two things, first of all, congratulations to on your award. Your effort, read your effort, read the world. So I've just read about. World deserved. And the second is, you know that at four council, we passed the motion about the cost of living crisis and one of the recommendations was to ask me to ask you to look at somehow, including in the criteria for future application organisation doing to help those on low incomes. You know, it could be, for example, a lower fee. It could be well, such as the one we've just dealt with, which is an obvious one, you know, having a food bank. But can you please, therefore, you know, officers and committee, have a look at that and come back at the next meeting with with some recommendations for me, if that's possible. Not problem at all. Thank you very much. A gang to sort us out and then, yeah, be ready. Okey-doke. In that case, then, just thank you to any members of the public who have been watching, thank you to the officers for running the meeting, Emma for doing all the work and Jane for helping, obviously for John for saying yes, such a nice man, looks like Father Christmas, acting like one, that's excellent. And thank you to my colleagues. All right, thank you very much.