 I feel good about this event, it's so important and I mean the weather couldn't be better. And it's like the sun is shining in approval on this protest. I mean it's a dark subject but you know it's good to be coming together in this weather and just raising your fists basically towards parliament in a symbolic manner and saying you know you have to act, this cannot go on any longer. The will of the people is very clear. Enough is enough. Three and a half years in Belmont's prison for Julian Assange, it just has to end. Well I do recall your speech, I remember you talking about this is a dark force that we are trying to oppose. It definitely is and I think more and more people are actually sort of feeling it in their own skin. I mean it's coming, it's like a virus infiltrating old civil society of everyday life. And it's not the kind of a dark force that comes in the leather boots fascism style of the 30s. It is a new kind and even a more malicious one because it infiltrates everything, it roads what is sacred to us, you know empathy and humanity and we can sense that this is sort of destroying our world and the people are locking guidance into action in countering this and doing something about it and this has been a process that has been going on for quite a while, at least the entire 20 plus years of the century and people are starting to realize that what Julian did and WikiLeaks more than a decade ago was create an awareness. There was like opening a glimpse and seeing actually what's going on and because of that you have this strong reaction because the truth was so strong and you can actually measure the achievement of Julian and WikiLeaks in part by the vicious reaction. Why is it so important to basically try to kill an individual that simply is doing a journalistic work but it was so important it exposed so much. So that is what we need to keep in mind and try to rekindle that spirit and make it grow and I know we get there because we do not have any other option actually. We are basically if we stop swimming we'll sink, every one of us and it's a persecution now of Julian and he stands alone in that fight with the supporters behind him yet but today it's about Julian, tomorrow it's about you and me and all of us. That's right, I don't know if you saw the very first event in this chain of human chains that was in Melbourne Australia, three to five thousand people turned up and they were chanting Julian told the truth, WikiLeaks has the proof. Now it seems to me that there is the problem for Americans of kind of losing their first amendment but really it's more than that it's about losing a grasp on reality isn't it? It is and we see reality being undermined in a spectacular manner every day and you know for me a journalist for what 30 plus years now it's just absolutely appalling to see my colleagues, what I consider colleagues actually taking part in that and you know throwing about the speculation or false information that obviously do not match reality and every day people they don't need a degree in political science or economics or history to see through it it's becoming so blatant but it seeps in that's why I'm talking about this sort of slow and gradual undermining of our civil society. It's all part of the same struggle, it's not an individual case that you can just take out you have to think about it in context with what's going on in the world. I was asked just earlier here about the world today, I mean I was asked a bit earlier about what's your what's your hopes for least trust government I said what you know we're talking about a new prime minister that sets a record in actually you know basically destroying the pounds and coming up with economic policies that even economists in their own party are sort of discrediting and said what where on earth did this come from what's the rabbit hole is this it doesn't work and now we see backtracking and let me remind you I'm probably going to say this again here today because it sticks with me when Boris Johnson actually had his last speech here in the parliament his farewell speech and was giving advice out to his successors he only touched upon foreign policy and one on one point he said well and on foreign policy and I'm paraphrasing actually but the essence of it was just do what the Americans tell you that that's the essence and you were stunned and I was amazed that many people more people didn't pick up on it because it was so amazing this is the the grand nation who was is is is is reveling a Churchill here on a grand statue about the the fight against fascism and us is him in the world in the world war and where is the pride of the nation that has a leader that says just well just be a lapdog you know put the leash on an extended and that's exactly what's been happening I've been following this case I've been in every court proceedings here and it's absolutely appalling to see how how laws are stretched the illegality of the entire process the silence of the politicians or the negative commons that are being made it is appalling maybe there's a breaking point maybe there's maybe into the winter where people actually are faced with the reality we have to choose whether to heat their homes in the cold or feed their children I mean that that's the reality that's I had to know what a shame that we have to be driven that far I've always what drew me into WikiLeaks over well over a decade ago was I perceived Julian to be sort of anti-war you know because of the destruction and he said something that really stuck with me populations don't like wars populations have to be fooled into wars how does that apply today do you think and how would he feel about what's going on now with the media I'm not going to put sort of words in the mountain I when I visited in prison I saw him on Thursday morning I to be frank I mean I I try to spend the limited time I have with him and trying to cheer him up and trying to ease his pain in that situation but of course we talk politics but I'm not gonna sort of trying to sort of reflect on what what he thinks about current situation but do you think it's that who's pro-war it is sorry I did say who's pro-war I mean yeah who is pro-violence who is pro-death who is pro-killing children I mean that's appalling I don't ever understood this sort of negative connotation people dare to put on the words anti-war who is pro-war it's like being a pro-killer you know like it's absurd of course nobody wants war people have to be tricked into war yeah that's true and that has happened frequently in our time and when I'm talking about our time even my adulthood and of course it's gonna happen again and again