 last round. And I'm going to start with Jennifer. She arrived late. So Jennifer, you get you get the first question in the last round. All right. Hi. I saw a thing on Facebook a little bit ago, where it was a quote from Walter Williams. And he said that capitalism was a good thing because it was the only system where you can serve your fellow man and still and make yourself do good for yourself as well. And I understood what he's saying, but I made a comment that I think using the word trade is better than serve. You know, serve has like altruistic connotations to it, I think. And I just got a lot of pushback. People are like, Oh, you're just being materialistic and all that. It's like, why do you think people, they understand trade and material goods, but not in spiritual? Well, because the altruist, right? Because very hard to get around altruism. I mean, so many people altruistic in so many different ways. So you get a lot of libertarians who, okay, they get, they get the trade stuff, but they still want to, they still want to say, oh, but it's, it's more than just that. It's, it's more, I really am, you know, I'm really am doing this in order to benefit the consumer and they don't want to attribute any self interest to it. I'm benefiting, but just not really why I'm doing it. I'm doing it out of, you know, a sense that I have to do it. My duty is to consume it. You get that a little bit from Mackie. You get that even a little bit from Valmises who says, you know, consumers, King and it's all about the, no, I mean, at the end of the day, it is producers producing, it is producers pursuing their own self interest, pursuing their passion, they love the, for the, for the thing that they are producing. They create the demand from consumers for the things that, that ultimately people consume and they're doing it because they love doing it, because they want to make money doing it. But to admit that would be to admit to self interest and to admit to self interest is to reject altruism and so many people have a hard time doing that. So Walter Williams, as great as he was, was part of that. He was part of, of, of this trying to explain and defend capitalism on the basis of other people rather than the basis of it's good for the individual, it's good for the producer, it's good for the, yeah, it's good for the producer because he serves in quotes other people, but it's, it's, it's good for him and, and don't run away from that. Yeah, that makes sense. And I made a point of saying, I thought he was a great guy and stuff, but they still were mad at me for saying that. All right. Thank you. Sure. Thanks, Jennifer. What we need today, what I called a new intellectual would be any man or woman who is willing to think, meaning any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason, by the intellect, not by feelings, wishes, women's or mystic revelations. Any man or woman who values his life and who does not want to give in to today's cult of despair, cynicism and impotence and does not intend to give up the world to the dark ages and to the role of the collectivist roads. All right. Before we go on, reminder, please like the show. We've got 163 live listeners right now, 30 likes. That should be at least 100. I figure at least 100 of you actually like the show. Maybe they're like 60 of the Matthews out there who hate it. But at least the people who are liking it, I want to see a thumbs up. There you go. Start liking it. I want to see that go to 100. All it takes is a click of a thing, whether you're looking at this. And you know the likes matter. It's not an issue of my ego. It's an issue of the algorithm. The more you like something, the more the algorithm likes it. So if you don't like the show, give it a thumbs down. Let's see your actual views being reflected in the likes. But if you like it, don't just sit there, help get the show promoted. Of course, you should also share and you can support the show at your on bookshow.com slash support on Patreon or subscribe star or locals and show you support for the work, for the value, hopefully you're receiving from this. And of course, don't forget if you're not a subscriber, even if you just come here to troll or even if you're here like Matthew to defend Marx, then you should subscribe because that way you'll know when to show up. You'll know what shows are on, when they're on. You're good notified. So yes, like, share, subscribe, support. Like, share, subscribe, support. There you go. Easy. Do one, all of those please.