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I'm Justin Robert young and I'm the show's producer Roger Chang folks We got some deep thoughts for you today hang around But first we must feed your brains with a few tech things you should know The UK's office of communications also known as off-com will scrutinize the roles of Amazon Google and Microsoft in the cloud Services market noting it will take action if there's any competition concerns The UK's cloud market is currently estimated at a 15 billion pound sterling approximately 16.97 billion dollars Would the three companies accounting for around 81% of revenue off-com will also examine the messenger at and smart device Market including WhatsApp zoom and smart speakers the regulator will begin the market study in the coming weeks And thus begins the reign of King Charles the third app researcher Alessandro Palluzzi Has been a leak and a lot of stuff lately the most recent is an early screenshot of Instagram Working on a tool to detect unsolicited nude photos on the social media platform The idea would be to give users an option to either view the photo or not before they have to view the photo You get to make your decision Meta confirmed to the Verge that the feature is in development. So it's real Meta said Instagram will not view the images themselves not like somebody be looking at them before They share them with third they won't they won't be sharing them with third parties either And we'll provide more details on the program in a few weeks ahead of testing DJ I announced the Osmo mobile 6 the latest model in its smartphone at gimbal lineup designed to stabilize videos and photos taken with Phones but this model features a new wheel control to make zooming and focusing easier and also a status panel to show the gimbals battery life on the go DJI also has a new feature called quick launch when using the gimbal with iPhones designed to generate a push Notification to more easily launch the DJI camera app when it detects that a phone has been mounted In a blog post Wednesday Twitter says it discovered a bug It's been around for months that would leave some accounts logged in on devices after a password reset Twitter's password reset like most password resets is supposed to revoke all session tokens But it wasn't doing that on mobile apps web sessions were closed appropriately apparently And the bug has existed since last year Twitter directly informed affected users and hasn't proactively logged them out of all Open sessions in order to just reset the whole thing Google announced its Chromecast with Google TV HD coming with a remote so you don't need to use a smartphone to control it Although you could if you wanted to it's oval shaped with HDMI and USB input the remote also has a Google assistant button So that's easy for Google assistant folks only does 1080p albeit with HDR, but it also only cost $30 It's basically the 4k model without 4k for $20 less Yeah, you wouldn't think people would be as excited about it as they seem, but a lot of people are $30 $30 Chromecast yeah, I got a remote amazing all right, let's talk about a VR headset that's taken on the quest to Pico Pico is a Chinese startup that bite dance acquired last year The parent company of tiktok developed a new virtual reality headset the Pico for Pico for is gonna launch in Several European and Asian countries for 429 euros. That's about 425 dollars 128 gigabytes of storage Pico 4 is smaller and lighter than a previous Pico Neo 3 link that was put out in May weighs about 586 grams uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2 processor 8 gigs of memory 2160 by 2160 display per eye and they say you'll get three hours of use on a charge They're gonna put out the 128 gigabyte for 429 euros like I said the 256 gigabyte version Comes for 499 euros pre-orders beginning September 23rd in a few countries If you are in their system as an insider It'll start shipping at mid-October in those countries no plans to launch in North America though There is an FCC filing for this so no plans to launch in North America yet But you are gonna get it Jap Japan and Korea most of Europe and it's gonna be coming to Singapore and Malaysia later this year and Launching on September 26th for orders in China So it's gonna be curious to see what the new meta quest headset will come at Price-wise but this seems to be on on the the higher and certainly not trying to Yeah, they're not trying to differentiate it on price per se Which means I assume that they believe that they can compete in terms of the product Which I would be very very curious to say to see as a quest user Don't forget the meta quest to just had a price rise. So it's 499 bucks now Yeah, well, yeah, and that's what I'm curious as to what the what what the next edition is going to do I imagine it will not be cheaper than 499 so so this this might be competing on on price barely But it certainly it certainly is not the slam dunk bargain unless I mean that there's a chance that the quest comes in at 700 who knows I Mean is somebody who is a quest enthusiast, but also I play, you know three VR apps Regularly and I dabble in some others But you know, I kind of I like what I like and and and the ecosystem works for me what Pico could offer Somebody else, you know, I know it's not coming in North America right this second But let's say it did tomorrow in my first question would be like, alright Well, what do I do? It's not like enough to have like some cool VR headset that I could afford that's moderately comfortable on my face Which which headsets are, you know, they're just scraping by at this point. Anyway, it's it's what can we do, you know Yeah, with with these and yeah, like what what do you tap into here? What's the app store? What do I got? Well, I mean but beyond the apps I do think that you pointed out a few things that could very much be immediate differentiators if if the field of vision is Wider if the image is sharper if the headset itself is lighter that allows you to spend more time with it on your face Then I do think that like from the second it came out of the box. You would immediately feel the difference Yeah, the couple other things to note about this it can connect to a PC and play Steam VR games You know which the quest can also do stuff like that and There is going to be one with eye tracking called the Pico 4 Pro and a Pico 4 Enterprise coming later this year But yeah in the end The biggest advantage to this because because apples to apples it feels like you're looking at two apples like these This is this feels like the big advantage is it's not from meta Yes, it is from bite dance Do you like apple poison or apple poison this hasn't been peer reviewed yet this next one So take it with a grain of salt, but the approach is interesting So I thought it was worth us bringing up deep mind has a chat bot called sparrow That was trained on a large language model in LLM called Chinchilla But sparrow is the name you need to keep in mind. That's the name of the chat bot One of its main aims is to talk to and inform people without saying things that are false. That's a good goal Without encouraging people to do harm to themselves or others. I'm behind it And without just being downright offensive So those are the high goals of chatbots these days instead of being trained on a large amounts of human text Some of which is made by humans who exhibit those bad behaviors sparrow is trying to use Google search some text training and Immediate feedback with humans to train this so Justin. How does this work? Tom I'm so glad you asked sparrow does a search and presents multiple answers to a question with citations It is prevented from giving financial advice making threats or claiming to be a person Human participants then say whether they thought the answers were plausible and whether the chat bot provided sufficient evidence Like links to sources the chat bot learns from each interaction it tests Intests a gave well-supported plausible answers 78% of the time and human participants got it to break the rules only 8% of the time so I might be I I feel like I interact with chatbots when maybe I am trying to talk to some customer service, you know Chatbot situation for a company. Maybe I've bought something. There's a discrepancy that sort of thing I've never had a chatbot be offensive to me or you know Like encourage self-harm. I I probably just haven't encountered the right chatbots, but this seems like a great idea sparrow is saying let's make the chatbot not Psychotic, but that's a fair point. The chatbots you're gonna run out into in customer service situations are very locked down And and sometimes you run into those limits The chatbots that are offensive are the ones from other AI companies like deep mind that have put been put out there like Hey, everybody try our chatbot. One of the most famous was from Microsoft, you know five or six years ago. Hey, yeah Hey, thank you. I couldn't remember the name that just started insulting people and using racist language and stuff So in these wider open more capable chatbots That has been a problem in the past. Well, and and let's be clear Those were examples of people actively trying to break the chatbot. Yes, they were they were trying They were maliciously trying to we assume Sarah Customer service. Yeah, I just want to refund Anybody I mean, I'm sure everybody who's listening to this certainly knows this But if you have the encounter anybody in your life chatbots are not just waiting on a hair trigger to turn into horrifyingly obnoxious racist monsters if you are actively trying to either corrupt their model or Exploit an element of their model that has these things in it. Then you are going to find it But but you have to go out of that said, you know, if that does happen you go, hmm Well, this shouldn't happen again. The chatbot needs to get better. Absolutely. Yeah And that that's what they're trying to figure out is how do we get the advantage of not controlling what the chatbot does That's the whole thing with AI is that, you know, we just train it and then it does things But dissuade it so they did a little bit of locking down Well, you just can't do these behaviors although apparently people are able to trick them into breaking those rules and then encouraging them to Present more than one option and say well, which one is the best so that I get better at presenting these options site sources I think that's an interesting way to go about this. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see if anything comes of that approach My suspicion with this is that we are we are going to find a computational solution to it before we have a human assisted curation well, this is a computational thing. It's just using it's Incorporating human feedback as part of its learning method, which is not human oversight No, no, no, sorry. Yeah, I didn't mean to insinuate. Yeah Well, a company called Soul Robotics is developing an autonomous vehicle system that is not putting sensors in cars But along towers on roads that those cars might be driving down and then broadcasting the data to the car Which only needs connectivity to be autonomous So it would I don't know get a lot of pressure off of car makers I suppose if this works out well level five control tower has cameras and LiDAR and connect to the car Connect to the cloud to process data and also send that data to the cars The argument is that the system can know a lot more about what the safest path forward is for a vehicle Than any single car can know because it's got context, you know because there's a lot of cars and that data can be shared to the other cars on the road as well the buzzwords associated with This would be a TI for autonomy through infrastructure and v2x. That's vehicle to everything communication Yeah, it's possibly more efficient to do it this way since you only need a few hundred sensors to automate all the cars passing by a tower So if you're in a parking lot or on a factory where you're managing a fleet That could be really useful instead of having each car have to have its own set of sensors But you'll have to get the car makers to cooperate if you're gonna do this so far Soul Robotics has deployed its tech in automobile manufacturing facilities. So they're getting the car people on board that way The BMW 7 series has been equipped with this BMW is deploying it to its automate its last mile fleet logistics at their manufacturing facility in Munich Soul Robotics says it's also working with Mercedes-Benz Qualcomm Volvo and LG plus as well You also need the infrastructure to be set up if you want to use this outside of a limited area And to that end Soul Robotics is deploying sensors to detect vehicle and pedestrian traffic in Parts of Asia Europe and the United States particularly here in California, Florida and Tennessee Right now. This is being pitched as a great way to gather data for governments You know like pedestrian traffic how many people are obeying the rules where where are their problems in the flow of traffic and for Last mile fleet up automation like we were talking about BMW do it feels like a long Shot that autonomous cars would come from infrastructure built along roads Instead of from within the cars, but hey, we had to build roads everywhere. So we did that part of the infrastructure. Who knows? I Don't think that it's a crazy idea Specifically if we are in a world where you have a lot of self-driving cars that have the the sensors on the cars themselves I could see the infrastructure being built around it, but I kind of feel like it will happen in that order if just because Consumers and manufacturers will feel better with all the tech that could go wrong being in one place as opposed to a connection between The road and whatever state that is in with the car itself Yeah, my first thought was okay if I expect, you know autonomy as I'm driving and let's say I'm driving down the 101 South and you know between my house and getting to San Francisco It's fully autonomous because we've got you know all this stuff But then it isn't anymore because then I get onto surface streets and the whole thing changes that might be sort of frustrating But like you mentioned Tom this sounds like it makes the most sense for certain areas of road where There are a bunch of cars who are not going to do particularly anything all that crazy and And the data getting from just the flow of traffic and again pedestrian information Super helpful as well that that's where that's what where this makes a lot more sense and also Takes the pressure off of the consumer to be like alright Well, I have to have like you know the autonomous car and you know pay more for it myself yeah, the I Don't think this is going to end up being that it does feel like it's a it's a local enterprise level factory floor Parking lot maybe kind of thing and it's cheap enough that you could put it in Autonomous cars that also have sensors just to make it cross compatible If you were to think about this as like crazy future Maybe this is the way we get autonomous cars It would have to be like cell phones right like it would actually be easier to roll it out in urban areas on Surface streets than it would be like to like build it out, you know across highways And things like that Folks if you want to join the conversation in our discord you can trade some ideas about this as well I link your patreon account to discord and we'll just show up like that patreon.com slash DTMS The verges Russell Brandham has an article called how platforms turn boring He's bemoaning the age-old complaint that when something gets popular the things that make that special get watered down And then it's not that cool anymore He uses tiktok as an example saying quote at first tiktok was exciting because there was a culture that could only happen there But now the actual content is getting closer to what you see on every other network Brandham has a test for this. He calls it the bootleg ratio So how much content is created by users specifically for a platform versus clout chasing accounts? Drafting off of the audience. So for example Instagram used to have a unique hustle culture all its own Brandham argues the culture has tipped toward reposting and become a place for distribution not creation As counter examples, he puts forth reddit and Twitter They don't have as large of an audience as Facebook But the audiences are stable and each has a very unique culture And he acknowledges that the ratio can tip too far one way or another in the cases of vine and tumbler that had Unique niche cultures, but struggled to say viable He also points out that YouTube seems to actively fight for balance in the form of creator subsidies to encourage original content Yeah, most recently with shorts, right? It's hard to see what you could do about this though If bootlegs or reposts or viral hogs as Brandham variously refers to it are a wasteland Then why do the user numbers rise? The money is gonna follow users after all, which is why these Wastelandish platforms are more successful if the unique culture of Twitter or tumbler is preferable. Why aren't they succeeding? You know is Brandham just making a more elaborate version of the argument that the band you like was cool before everybody else started To like them or is he on to something where we're a balance of culture with virality like he describes YouTube attempting Is the secret to avoiding the eventual decline that seems to come to every platform, you know My space is still out there, but it's not much used and Frenster is long gone Is my space still out there? My goodness. All right Um, yeah, I think it's a little early to say like ah tiktok's over. It's lame now. Um, I That said I have definitely noticed and Brandham makes the same claim in in this very thorough article That's worth reading that's uh, you know for the for you page for anybody who's familiar with tiktok That's just kind of like hey We're gonna serve you stuff that you're gonna like based on what you've what you've liked and interacted with before it It has definitely gone more what I would call That viral looking for clicks Hoping for some revenue type thing and I don't think that that's that is not unique to tiktok at all I see it everywhere. Um instagram's been, you know plagued by this for years But the but the the question of well, so then why Do more people end up, you know going to that place? I think it's a couple of things first of all Not everybody is just a first, you know, um You know it a first responder of sorts, you know of the new of the new social hotness Like it's gonna take a lot of people a while to sort of get there because they're gonna hear about it enough And they're gonna go check it out. Also The stupid meme accounts that I still follow on instagram that have become less and less interesting to me because I'm like, okay I get what you're doing. I mean they they have the most engagement that that is that is a way to make Maybe not revenue for a long time, but revenue in the short term so You know any social network that is buzzy I don't know. I mean be real. Look at that. But why are they buzzy, right? Like that that's the question is like Brand I'm trying to say I think be real is interesting right now because it has a real culture But at some point, you know the viral hogs will come for it and then it will be a vapid wasteland But apparently when that happens these platforms get more popular They get more popular and then they kind of don't because you go I mean, it's not that interesting but it takes a while to happen. Look at Facebook It does it does take a while and I think I think that's that's kind of you know to the heart of what we're talking about is All right. Well if there is an ebb and flow to all social networks, uh, what you know, I what whatever the I don't know, you know, you know, whatever your unique thing is that you say, well, we're different than the other social networks And here's why people are always going to come for you because they want to make money But what came first the viral reposting accounts or the people because my thought on this is It's when your user base widens out that not only do these viral accounts Understand that there is money to be made by serving you the thing that you know that you that they know that you want regardless of What platform it is but also Uh, it is the content that may not that that is more palatable for a new user that comes in the second third fourth fifth Seventh 18th 50th wave of people that show up to something They need something that is comforting to them because they might not be totally into everything that was happening on it before at a certain point This is about welcoming in New users and of course I I as tom pointed out here This is probably a little bit of being upset that this culture isn't exactly what you want You know, you you can never go home again as they say Yeah, I mean there there may be just something as simple as To appeal to a mass audience You can't be as specific Yes, and if you want a mass audience, you're going to you know water down The content and if you're the person who loved the thing at the beginning when it was more specific You're not going to love it when it's watered down. There's that's just I don't know. I don't know, uh, you know when imagine dragons were playing just tiny little shows You know and somebody's garage somewhere But uh, you know, they're enjoying a lot more success now that they have mass appeal But those people from the early days going, uh, not the same Yeah, exactly. Well, what are you going to listen to your imagine dragons albums on though? Tom good question record maker record player maker. Victoria has been in the biz for Over a hundred years more recently making entry level turntables that built-in speakers kind of retro designs that type of thing Victoria's newest item though is the stream carbon $800 turntable that can access a sonos system So you can stream your records in various areas if you're home got a home got a bunch of sonos speakers It would all work even if you're not near the record player itself once you connect everything over the victoria stream app You can also control the stream carbon using the sonos app itself or a control knob that's on the device Victoria told engadget it works with any sonos speakers So even if you have the older ones that should be compatible under the hood The stream carbon has a belt driven turntable with an aluminum platter and an order font at 2m red cartridge ethernet A built-in preamp and rca outputs if you happen to have old speakers that work perfectly fine It would work with those as well. You can pre-order the stream carbon now for shipment in october I have hooked up My record player to the sonos But I had to use those rca outputs to go into a an app and then out of the app with a line out into the line In on the sonos and then I could only use it We're using the line in on the sonos which sonos didn't want to leave on because it was line in and it was like No, you want to use these other things instead, right? So I don't know that it's worth 800 dollars to solve that but this certainly does simplify it And if you've seen those victrola like suitcase looking record players the very old tiny That's not this. This is very sleek. This is very modern looking What do you get for the hipster who has everything this christmas? It's pretty much it. Yeah, yeah I mean that my my first reaction was like I need this because I I have a lot of sonos speakers Even though I have a pretty small house It's like oh the idea that you know put put a little something on the on the turntable And I can hear it throughout the house. That is very attractive 800 dollars is is kind of steep victrola did say that It is working on similar type models that would be Perhaps a little bit cheaper didn't say that specifically but one would guess Because I think a lot of people are going to be like, ooh, that's that's a little steep But hey, if you're already in the system if you already have sonos speakers in your house You're used to parting with money. So there you go I I have a friend that just bought a new house. He's got sonos speakers and he's a gigantic vinyl head I don't know if I love him 800 dollars But we're going to find out between now and chris Larry at atlanta says wouldn't a bluetooth adapter do the same thing? Um, but my record player has bluetooth in it. That that's not the point The point is this works with sonos, right? You yes, you could do line in you could do bluetooth There's other ways to do it and they're cheaper But this is built into the system and and again, maybe not 800 dollars worth of convenience savings But but a convenience saving All right, let's check out the mail bag. All right. This one comes from susanne. This was a patreon message Thank you for being a patron susanne susanne says we have two h e b stores here in austin texas That let you scan your stuff with an app. You just check out a special kiosk You scan a qr code it sends your order to the kiosk Usually it requires a cashier to come scan three to five random things in your basket But it takes way less time than the regular line or the self-checkout. It's wonderful Yeah, I've we've heard from a lot of folks who've been talking about things. Uh, some of them even going back into the 90s That have done similar things to that app and scan and pay system I asked susanne if if she knew if the one that h e b was using was the instacart one because they've had that available for a while But I haven't heard back whether it is or not you haven't happened to use this. Have you justin I have not I've always wound up doing self-checkout at h e b But I do know for a fact that h e b has their own tech and development department So, uh, it would not shock me if this technology was developed in house Interesting. Yeah, or or or from some other vendor that's that's more white label or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean, I've I've I've spoken I I I got into a conversation locally with with somebody that that works in there and The way that they were describing it that they are fairly hands-on With their their their their tech stuff. So meanwhile, uh ralph's and all you kroger Associated stores out there like ralph's uh suffer along with me where they're like, no We insist you use kroger pay Which nobody yikes. In fact, I can't even make it work at ralph's. So Oh my gosh, remember like walgreens pay that everybody had to pay at one point. Yep. I mean some of them are still, you know going strong Uh, well, thanks to everybody who does write in with on the ground reports really really appreciate them Also, thanks to you justin robber young, uh, let folks know where they can keep up with the rest of your work You can download my uh new ish podcast where not wrong featuring myself Jen briney and andrew heaton a panel show discussing two stories each and every week Uh, it's really kind of been a hit for us. 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