 Okay, welcome back. In case you've just joined us, it is a Friday Technophile Tuesday. Why can't I wait for Friday? It looks like I'm in a mood to just go away and relax. It's okay, few days time, Friday will come. It's time for off the press. We'll be taking a look at stories that made it to the headlines on some national dailies. And I have been joined by Chris Cairndon, one of the members of the Chartered Institute of Abiturators in the UK. But Chris will be joining us from Lagos this morning. Hello, Chris. Good morning. How are you? So good to have you join us, as always. Thank you. Okay, so Chris, let's start with the National Newspaper. The National Newspaper leads with APC top position. So why Adamo Omisore lost out? And then above the masthead, you have, we have database of 15 million poor Nigerians says agency. How the 800 million dollars would be transferred to beneficiaries. Let's start with that. This database of 15 million poor Nigerians, of course, we, everyone, the stories everywhere, the 12 million poor that will be given 8,000 monthly for six months. And so here we're having the agency saying they actually have a database of 15 million poor Nigerians. Let's start with you. Have you seen this database? Do you have, have you seen it? Chris? Yeah. I read, I read anybody seen it. Even members of the National Assembly, the nice session, said that the database of the white administration or the grantee was well, I don't want to use the word fake, but a little fictitious names in that list. So this government is barely two months in, obviously, when did they gather the database that you're talking about? I still believe that this to me does not make sense. We have gone beyond this. I don't know why this government wants to go through the same trajectory that the last administration went through. We have billions and billions and trillions of error where it is just the most spent on the real advances. We're talking about 12 million, 5 million, 10 million, 12 million, 15 million Nigerians paying them 8,000 error every month. That comes to about 42,000 or 40, less than 45,000 in two thirds. That is less than 48,000. Yeah, $60. Yes, 48,000. That is less than, that is less than about $60. And that is what you want to pay. That in itself cannot even buy a bank of price for now. So even if you give them and they buy rights, what of the continent? I think this is just a waste of funds. I will set it down with the number. This money can be channelled to other things. If you use that and put that into the binary, getting a new binary, that will solve the problem. It's just like we say, just live in my language, live the rat and the house-born and run after a rat. The fact means that poverty is here. We're having over 130 million Nigerians under the poverty line. We have a high level of unemployment. And you're telling us that you're going to transfer 8,000 Naira to people. That to me is a total scam. And that's discontinuing, as far as I'm concerned, doesn't make any sense. I mean, come to the compete. Who told you that they're not having, what of people like me? Am I not entitled to pallete it as well? Am I not in Nigeria? Am I not in, are you saying that I'm not affected by the poor, the problem with the poor, the busy poor? That is how it is done. So I would think that it just isn't. And to what's in it, there was a 70 million, 50 billion Naira for the National Assembly, over 200 members of the National Assembly. These are millionaires at every issue. You have to approach this for them. So I think that this doesn't make any sense at all. Of course, lots of questions have been asked with regards to this 8,000 Naira thing. So what next after the 8,000 Naira? What next after 8,000 Naira? Is this the palletive that they've been promising us? Don't worry. Yes. We know that the palletive was removed rather suddenly. But do not worry. We're working on palletives and Nigerians were waiting for these palletives to arrive. And this is what we're hearing. And I don't blame the Naira Union, the NRC. The NRC dropped the ball. When are you going to show the federal government, drop the ball? That's why they put that term. That was an injunction for the national industrial court. So that if they bet, I think they would have done better. They dropped the ball and went to sleep. And saying that they're going to go into negotiation with the federal government in August. This is the outcome of that negotiation. If they're ending it anyway. So I still feel and still feel most Nigerians do feel that this is not the way to go. And we saw what they did with the uncle Buras doing during the administration. We saw how they distributed quote-under-quote. Trillias and trillias of Naira by the Minister of Monetary Affairs. So we gave those to them and feeding children that we are told with us. My children were told me and they said they weren't in them. So this, I repeat, to me, this is a very controversial. We cannot just be spending money or just dashing out money for the fund of it. And for the fund of it, we are at the names. What is the demography? How do people arrive at whom you take that $8,000, what can $8,000 buy? And after that, after this month, what happens? Are you going to change the price to what it used to be or would there still be entry transportation? If you change that, it's $500 billion into buying buses. I'm sure you must have seen that, if there was a supply transition with them. But the number of buses that $500 billion can buy, about $8,000 buses are there about, it is to put that across the states. That will make much, much sense because people cannot be able to. So people can be able to see, look at what the governor of Buenos Aires did. He bought the vehicles to be conveying people to the farm and bringing them back so that they don't suffer the cost of transportation. That is direct impact. That is what we are talking about. That is a mountain future. But all these ones that they are just doing percolating and say, they are going to distribute it $8,000. Does it make any sense? It doesn't make any sense at all. All right. Let's look for another headline that we can talk about because there are quite a couple of them on the nation newspaper. But we won't touch all. Here is this one, INEC, Tanubu Abuja residents not superior to other Nigerians. PDP LP lied on electronic results collisions. That's on the election tribunal. Talk to us about this, Chris. Well, the case is at the tribunal. All the parties have submitted their argument at the documentations at the tribunal. And that was closed. So it is now for the tribunal to look at various evidence that were presented to it by the previous party. And based on that, they are going to come up with their judgment. So we are waiting. This reminds me of what happened in 1997. I don't know how young you were in 1979, but that was what we were talking about. Nineteen states during the Chagaree, Aziki were the election that got in President Mohammad Iqbal. It was very, very controversial in 1979. It was five or six people there. But I knew what was happening. And there was a judgment that should be implemented. So if the issue of status of the FCC is going to be determined, let us determine it once and for all. Yes, once and for all. Let us determine it once and for all. But haven't we determined it already? Haven't we determined it already? No, no, we have. But the court will have the final say. It is what the court says that becomes after the tribunal, whoever, depending on whoever, in your respect, or whoever, is actually, this case is to get to the Supreme Court. And it is Supreme Court ultimately with the final judgment on this. And so that was going to happen. And I also looking at the one that you are looking at, the crisis in the ABC, where the chairman and the second to the primary resigned or dropped out. We saw it coming. It's not if you look at the utterances of the Adgon National Chairman, his antecedence from the one through his bias. That's where the fact that he's the chairman or National Chairman of the party, who ought to remain neutral. We are the father of the House. But when you now start taking position, then this ultimately was going to happen. You remember what happened with the primaries, where he permanently supported the current day job of the former Senate president. And in fact, to the extent that he said that end of this year, he endorsed him as the only candidate. He for lost, he had that out. He was against the current day job or the president's event. And after that, it got him to shift his word. He continued on the trajectory of always attacking other the president or even members of the legislative panel. So what happened with the selection and the election for principal officers, where he went practically directly in the opposite direction, which is part. So, but we saw it coming. And it's not a surprise that he had to shift the way. And then the party now probably ran to have an application electing the National Chairman and the National Secretaries. Well, it's interesting you've gone there. I was going to leave that story. I saw it boldly and it's on almost all the national dailies, but I was going to leave it to the end of our discussion because I thought, you know what, let's look at things that would affect the course of Gary, the course of rise, the course of fear first, all this, their political stuff going on within their parties. For me, it's not parity right now. Do you not agree with me, Chris? I totally agree with you. But even at that, whatever goes on within their party also affects us. So we have to talk about it because this is the ruling party. If they don't get asked to get done, then you can. That's also going to take you for that. I can see below the, I'm looking at the front page of the paper. You can see below the headline, the picture of the president that is a rival from the EU conference in Kenya. The president had been to a co-pass. He has been to Kenya. He just came back. The person that asks, what's up the president from going to Black to State? We have over 300 Nigerians at the Kenya pass. We say that Nigerians like them matter. You know this kind of a party most often is not just what you say, but the action that you take is that they have been killing in the north central, especially in Black to State, in the past really. Other leaders, that was something that happened in the U.S. and also France recently. You remember when the riot took place in France, the killing of just one person. Exactly. The president of France, he was at, I think he went for a conference last year in the country. He has to quickly come back to the country and try to persuade the French people and the rest of them. The same thing happened also in the U.S. a few months back that the president Biden had to come back. So if you have a battery of the people Nigerians in Kenya, 300 super, those that have been celebrating, and the president has gone to Kenya, has gone to I was expecting to flow even from Kenya, I expected to go to streets, to Black to State, to be pushed from the party to the people of Black to State. So he has to send signals. Yes, I know that he is the commander in chief and he has given it to security agencies and the security chief to nip this in the pot, but that party was necessary. And so if you have not done that, you are not the president. President, show us the human hand with you and let's see you. Indeed, that's a good statement to put forward. However, still going back to the case at the tribunal, when are we expecting the judgment, Chris? August? Yes, it should be around August. In order to do it, given the time, I think about 19th. So I'm sure that by August, probably, by the end of August, we're getting that tribunal judgment and they have this time bound, as we're saying now, this time bound. Unlike before, we already just have a time frame. If we just leave it to put in there, we can take two years, three years, or no, no, no, no, it's no longer a case. This case is time bound and definitely by the end of August, I'm sure that our end of August will get enjoyed from the tribunal. Okay, let's move from the national newspaper to the punch newspaper. The punch also obviously leading with the same story, the politics going on with the APC. But let's look at this headline right on top of the mass head. FG grants 56 import licenses as fuel consumption drops. Well, licenses to import, I guess. Yes. But in fact, yes, the big fact remains that it is like we are going the good way. The issue of licenses for 50 import is an exception. I'll continue to say it. The solution is our providing our own analysis. We produce good point. We have the raw material. So if we have the raw material, as what most of us from getting to the end through the value chain, I'm making sure that those are refined in Nigeria, that will bring that cost. And we also conduct the hard end, our very badest cost for industry. If you know how much spending on foreign exchange for this was, that is a huge one. So let's not be refinered. I'm sure that's most of the problem. I know it's a long time. Yeah, we had a member of Ip Man yesterday on the program, and this was our final discussion, you know, and final word on this very matter, because he also talked about how their members also seeking for licenses to import. But at the end of that discussion, we agree that, look, the best thing would be to have our refineries working. It's so embarrassing that we are talking about importing fuel, importing fuel. When we actually export in crude, it doesn't make sense at all. It doesn't make sense. All right. So moving forward, you have just beside it, ant tracks, government plans, nationwide animal vaccination. And below that, that's in a punch newspaper. You have poultry farms shutting down over high maize price. Let's look at these two together. Apparently, there is this thing that's coming against animals and government is planning nationwide vaccination. And poultry farmers shutting down, because it's become too expensive to run their farms. Good crisis. You know what we're going to do? Well, let's say that's a prebation is better than kill. It's not an understand that phrase that we used to have when we were kids. Prebation is better than kill. So we have massive fascination, so that we can run into this terrible report that is we are not focusing on some of these issues. And it is only when it comes to level that Nigerians, that is how we do our things. So I hope that the relevant agencies, including the Ministry of Health, and not only the federal Minister of Health, also the Ministry of Health in the state, and also the government get was making sure that we get people vaccinated with vaccination complaints as quickly as possible. And that's what it's supposed to be. The second one you have access to, what? Poultry farms shutting down over high maize price. Yes, of course they have to because it's even getting worse now. You know that yesterday Russia refused to sign renew this agreement with Ukraine on grain. And that is the step that pushed the prices of grain over and above exploitation across the globe and Niger. So, but the question is, what is the problem? What is the root of the problem? Why are we not getting a non-grain or made as it were? It could also be due to several factors. One is to be insecure. You know that a lot of Nigerians are not to be found again because they are being killed and they are being made. And that is why we said that security is like a chain. Once there is a disconnect, one of the things that we have to say about that. So if insecurity becomes a problem and the farmers are not going to farm, then that becomes a issue because at the end of the year, that would be a problem. But I know that the government has given up on all that for the release of tons and tons of billions and tons of grains into the system that I don't know the impact that is going to pay. But poultry is one of the key areas where our people derive their protein, derive their what is their feeds. So if that sector is affected, then it's supposed to we are not even looking, we are not even able to satisfy our local consumption populace of exporting. And this is an area where we can make so much more. So you can see now even in the markets, most of the time you see the imported ones, imported frozen chicken, mostly from Boudinou. That is what is happening now. We are not having enough production. So I think we should look at all this for each end and make sure that whatever we can do to increase production is done. But even at that, even if we have it, I don't know, I'm the question is how many people can afford it at this time? How many people afford it? That is the question. The purchasing power of Nigerians have gone way, way, way, way, way down. And there's no increase in salary. When they've increased petroleum products by over 300% today, nobody's talking about increase, increment in salaries. Only in terms of what the government has said is increasing it by 10,000. What happened to other states? What happened even to the project? What is happening? Nobody's talking about that. What happens to those who do not earn salaries, who have to spend for themselves? Like these poultry farmers. These poultry farmers spend a lot to feed their birds. And of course, the cost of eggs will continue to start. Not only poultry farmers, those in the big meat, somebody told me last week that Mizzat and Seagull probably would expect pigs and birds for them. Those that are also into fishing, you need to say how much this... What is that fish when they eat it away or what is it called? Catfish. Catfish. You need to say the company. So if the company is all over, and then with a good bucket now, then you want to buy a fridge. You know how much that cost. Yes, we are also talking about tomatoes, we are talking about pepper, we are talking about onions, not just chicken. Even myself, I love being so much. You know how much this cost now? As a veggie, as a twin, you know it means a lot. You need to know how much our base is cost now. So that is the problem. So full security for me is key. And that is the area where I think that the government, instead of pumping and dashing people 8,000, if you push this 500 million into every culture, I'm sure that we're going to make a hold of it. If we're going to give loans to SMEs, let's say you give the loan out of that 500 million. We are the deposit in this thing, farmers and the rest of them, give them one million each. You'll be surprised that if you give them that one million and they can be able to employ about three more people to assist you, to join them in their business, to be able to assist them. That in this set is of employment. And a lot of people will be brought within the employment scheme. So I don't think this government is great. And I think they should just be careful the way they are going about it. The same one that we see will not happen. It's what you're trying to shift. They said they made 400 billion Naira from the poor sources. Now you want to send 500 billion for palates for thousands of because it doesn't make any sense. I am one of those who believe that Africa and let's live it, restrict it in Nigeria. We have no business, importing grains, because our lands are very arable. There's nothing you throw in any part of Nigeria that would not grow without even nurturing it. It just grows in the north. You have many of your backyard. If you put meadows there, it will go. A lot of things are going to my compound. Drop it. That is what I'm saying. Look, let's take it by example. If you are moving from Lagos to Guinea, start looking at those stretch of land between Ijebode, Shagamu, or Kanjubini. See how green you see how those lands bloom. Anything you throw into this place going to make a nice family. It will eat a lot. So that's what I'm saying. You're talking about 500 billion. Show time, 500 billion. What is going to give you is 888,000. If you put that into a vehicle and it will restart, make a nice family. It will help to bring that across of food items. And I just say it's a long time. I can tell you that within the cycle of about seven months, eight months, some of these products can be eaten. You can eat some of these products. So what are we talking about? All right. Let's move on to the next headline here. Suspended EFCC chair spent 33 days in custody. That's Bawa. Yeah. The same thing I said, we'll be back now, but it may feel it applies to Bawa. Yes, the fact is that it's a violation of their fundamental human rights as well signed in the Constitution. The NAC-NAC Constitution has amended. And also international laws that we signed as members of UN and even African Union. So the fact remains that if or whatever is in, you'll find them in the Stonyo investigation and find them wanting to take each item to court. The court says the law says that within 24 or 48 hours, every Nigerian irrespective of whatever crime he commits on the charge to court. If you want to extend the detention, then you go to court. It's a court that will give you a valid time extension. But 33 days is a no-no for me. You know the problem we've always had? The problem we've always had, you know Nigeria is a very, very big country. Nigeria is the only place where you see security agencies who arrest somebody and start looking for evidence. In other countries, in the U.S. or other civilized countries, before they pick you up, they come to the investigation, they come to the evidence, they pick you up. Within 24 hours, 48 hours, they charge you to court. But here, they hold you, arrest you, and now start looking for evidence. Look at the way they have put the case against them. You see that initially what we had there was going to be charged for terrorism. He was supporting or he was financing terrorism and rest of it. At the end of it all, men, what is this? It's been charged for one day gone possession. Can you do that? Can you just do that? That is what they're heading for. How many days now? So it doesn't make any sense. We have a law in Nigeria. We have a law. And as a law abiding country, we must abide by those laws. If the security agencies don't, not maybe to gather the evidence. They should let them go. When they do, they can arrest them. They can attack them. They just go there for months. Here is Petty. And I continue to say, every Nigerian, every individual is assumed innocent except otherwise be served by the courts. So Chris, why do we continue to see this abuse of the law in this land? We've continued to see the sanctity of the judiciary being eroded, especially as you have seen in the case of Mepheli, because there was a subsisting court order that restricted his arrest. And why do we continue to have this, especially since we are in a democracy? It's a country, ours is a country that don't believe in law. That's our people, our most of our government officials, and the food security agency, that they are put in law. And most of us don't blame them. I blame the head because let's put it this way. Somebody appointed them. And if they are not put in law, then it becomes an issue. So if somebody that you appointed an appointee of government, he seems to be breaking the law. I expect the person that appointed, or got him appointed to call him to order. And that is the place of the president. The president is the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria. But when we now see a bias from the leaders, then it's like trying to send, he's trying to back whatever these people are. And they know that we would be sent nobody's court. Even when courts give valid order, they don't vote it. They disobey it. Even a mere failure himself. Last year, there was a Supreme Court ruling over that money thing that he didn't follow it. Why are we seeing so much executive rascality in our system, in our democracy? What goes around comes around. In respect to that, the fact is that the rule of law must be key. We must be able to obey the law. In our ability to obey the law, leads to chaos and lawlessness across, across. So we must be able to, whether we find this, whether it's okay with you or it's not okay with you, the law remains what it is. We are not in law, we are true. What is the, one of the eviction of law is what is law? And the state, that the official said, the law is what it is. Nothing to add to remove. So until we start obeying the laws, then we cannot be able to make progress. Because we'll be seeing by committee of nations that this is just a boneless treaty. And that is the misrepresent of the ripple effects. Because in part of it, people don't understand that this is also how a foreign investment, the inflow of foreign investment. Because if a company coming from abroad, or any people coming from abroad, knows that it runs into problem after investing here. And there's a running court verdict on issues or disputes. And that law will not be obeyed, or that verdict will not be obeyed. Then he knows that it's going to run into problem. So rather than take his phone somewhere else, where there's a rule of law, where people obey the law. Where there's protection for him. Protection, where there'll be protection. Exactly, where there'll be protection. Where the law says what it is and that is what it's going to be. Exactly. But here, we don't do things, we just pay. We don't even look at the ripple effects of some of the things we do. We just say, oh, it's just a bottleneck. Oh, it's a bad power. No, it has an international dimension. If I'm making my money, one million dollars, one billion dollars, I'm going to invest in Nigeria. And I have any problem in Nigeria. And it cost me a verdict that favors me. What am I? How am I sure that that cut to Nazmi would be obeyed? How am I sure that I'll be able to get my money? That in itself has the rule of scary people from investing in countries. And that is part of what we are facing. You know, when President Tanubu was sworn in on the inaugural day, part of the things he said is that he was assuring the judiciary that he was not going to encourage, was going to allow them to do their thing. For me, that itself says a lot about us as a people. A democracy where the judiciary will have to be reassured. Do not worry. I will not interfere in your activities. Because the executive have, over time, made this a norm to step into the boundaries of the judiciary. I agree. You know that we say that the judiciary is the last hope of the common man. But in this country, common man has no hope at all when it comes to the judiciary. I'm very sorry to say I'm a graduate of law. But even at that, Nigerians have lost so much faith within the judiciary. And this is the time for us to begin ourselves as members in that type of justice. Because we now, as yourself, people are that specific. Because we also, as yourself, even when the judiciary may put an end to it, they cannot, they don't have power of enforcement. Enforcement is still in the executive. Enforcement is by the police. Enforcement is by the prison. Enforcement is by... So most often that we still have this issue of challenge. But those are rhetorics. When somebody say, oh, I wish, look forward to seeing what this current session is going to do. It has been consistent over the years. Now, the president, I hope there are many days to go to name his cabinet. Maybe I'll tell him to constitute his cabinet, see who is going to be the AGF and the minister of justice. Then maybe we'll start looking at some of the issues. You cannot have somebody can be a point and hold responsibility for some of these anomalies as it were. Yeah. But as it were, I present I think have barely less than 13 days to go. And I hope that in the case of ministers with format as well. It is not like before, unlike the 2015, 2015, where we had practically almost six months, seven months of name his ministers. This particular president has Sunday's time, but I think it's 60 days and the clock is ticking. All right. Look, this main, if you look at the picture on the punch newspaper at the front page there, you have army intercepts, a number bound truck with ammunition. You see all of that displayed on the front page. What do you make of that? Very sad indeed. I need to commend the army for a good job. I need to commend the new chief of army staff. And all his commanders and personnel here, it seems to be doing writing. You can imagine him, those arms, all those ammunition, and that went into Anabra state. It was also for the level of insecurity in the south, which we have seen in the past few, few just yesterday. A lawmaker was killed in a new state. A young man was killed, a certain individual. Then there have been a lot of insecurity, killing, shooting. In this past few days, by a certain individual, criminal elements both said they are trying to enforce the CETA-2 directive of an individual staying in that, giving large, giving them order. Now, another almost 140 days have been cleared by this same criminal elements in the south east, in prognessment. So, a lot of arms and ammunition is finding their way. Not only in the south, it's also part of the country. Even in the north, you see the high level of energy going on in the north west, and even in the north east. You see the calibre of ammunition that is used, and you ask yourself, where are they getting this ammunition? So, I think something should be done. It should not just be displayed on pages of this paper on television and on social media. Let us get to the root of it, because many of the way it happens, you see this display now, give it another two, three days, that is the end. We will not hear anything about this arrest. We will not hear anything about this, since you will not... There is those that were arrested, definitely who just be around boys. You have to investigate and get those behind. There are some people that spending millions and millions of, and if not billions of Naira to report this ammunition or whatever reason, that is what we should be doing. We should be looking at those behind it. The big boys behind it is not just me, truck boy and whatever. There are some people behind it. Let us get them and get them prosecuted so as to start as a deterrent of others who engage in this kind of regards. Yeah, while we're taking a look at that, we're moving straight to the deletes cross, where you have the headline there. Any good threatens to revoke licenses of traders observing seat at home? This has been done. It's not what it is. This has been done. We got not to be able to see what is it doing to be able to base the level of security in multiple states. It's not just coming out and say, I will show you. There are jobs that we do see more more than that. No, we can't go. If you see that, there are no seat at home. There are not. This is almost not over a year in office. What have we done? So all this for me, I'll just reiterate. We have to look at the problem and look at way of holistically looking at solving this problem. It goes just beyond just making into shops and places. But you stated it at a point when the class got there. Some others also have tried to do that. That is not a solution. The solution is that holistically for this situation, the leaders of the South East must come together and agree and have your roadmap on ending the district office. Is that the solution? They are just walking across for that. That is not how the South West saw their problem. The South West came together. The governments of the South West came together. And decided on a model. And it was funded. And now you see the relative piece that is in the South West. It's almost bad because it was difficult for you to drive from Lagos to the bus. You will be kidnapped along the route. If you go through the Shagamu, Ibadu, the road also. The same thing. But all that has been put behind us now. You cannot travel from Lagos from that Shagamu to Ibadu. You will see a lineup Amotecum, police, and even military. Walking hand in hand to be able to see. And the question I continue to ask what are the governments of the South East being? What are the leaders of the South East? What are the traditional leaders doing? To make sure that the people are saying, yo, you say, oh, it is the duty of the federal government to be able to... Governors don't have any right over and both security, the police, army, and rest. But you can do something to supplement what they are doing. Just as I said, the South West. So Ibadu that they agreed to set up. What has happened to Ibadu? If you took that out of my mouth, I was going to ask, whatever happened to Ibadu? Whatever happened to Ibadu, the one that they started in Ibadu and the governor, former governor, that was nice. It was easy to arrest the police to open it. And that's what he was doing with his own Ibadu. That he has to... That led to a high cost to give it another disbanding that group in Ibadu state. Whether it still works or not. So the leaders of the South East come together as a unit to be able to fight this budget. Find the political solutions to it. Crude or whatever, whichever we look at it. We pay the price of the law. They are disbanding. So if somebody said, I'm going to... So if the person goes out tomorrow to open the shop and somebody kills him, what happens? What will happen to his family? Chris. So it's not just a terrorist. Why would you... What would you say is responsible for the inability of the movers and shakers of the indiebo? Especially the governors to come together as a force to bring development and security to their region? Why is it so hard for them to do? Lack of vision. Simple. Lack of vision. They don't have vision and they make it worse. Most of them were just... We are elected. We are definitely elected. So that is the problem. And that is the same. The people also don't have the confidence in their leaders because if they are able to governize and use some some kind of confidence within them, people will believe you. Then the problem also remains that as I said we are coming together because this has to do with intel. It has to do with intel. People must make sure that they are ready to give the necessary information. Most of these guys perpetrating this are not. They are outgoed. They live within... They live within the search. People know them. But the problem is that we cannot even volunteer information to security agencies or the government because those information giving can best back to them and they will be killed. So until we capacity be that confidence and give the people their assurance people want to come out every Monday to go about their businesses. As a report that just came out in 52 weeks they lost within the loss from the from the sit-up Monday sit-up some in the studies came to 4.8 on the trillion nine. Definitely. 4.813 trillion Each of the states loses about not less than about 10 billion every week for that one day sit-up. So you can see that the economics during the economy and the studies you'll be sure that it is up on the studies but it just is too true from the studies just cross Sribhanajah and enter Sabah men or you know what I'm talking about see life people are moving from on the chart to all parts of the and move it the economy of data state is growing because of the security going on in the South East is that not a problem? People are not sending their children to school in Nassafah people are establishing businesses in Nassafah because the fund is not secure enough so it takes the problems let the governments contests blame you if they don't got my own Nigerian army Nigerian police this one is there on their own what are they doing or today I think they don't have a solution to the problem is not possible well Chris that's a good place to live it we've had a very robust discussion thank you so much for your time as always on Tuesdays on the breakfast thank you very much for having and how the one that's your head you too you too Chris Chris Ken don't want to be a member of the chartered institute of arbitrators in the UK joined us here in Lagos on off the press we'll take a break and come back with our very first hot topic stay with us you