 folks it is right on the hour for my clock so I'm gonna go ahead and get us started. And to begin I just want to make the general announcement that we do record these webinars so our webinar will be recorded. And it looks like we have lots of new participants in the room today in our virtual room today so if you wouldn't mind introducing yourself and give us a sense of what your role is at your institution it would be really lovely to have that in the chat window. So today's webinar from CCC OER is on the OER connection with dual enrollment and we'll talk just a few minutes about the just a second about that. Our agenda is we're gonna do some brief introductions right now including the interest you're sharing in the chat window. I'll give a brief interview a brief overview of CCC OER and our mission. We'll have four different present presentations today from a collection of really really exciting presenters and then we'll do a panel discussion with those presenters. So I'm very very excited to be able to do this and then we'll have some brief announcements. So I'm very excited to do this webinar today and I hope that you all come on this journey with us and enjoy it as well. If you have questions about the presentation or about CCC OER or just about anything go ahead and post those in the chat window and we will follow up. Okay so first I want to do a brief introduction of who you will be hearing from today. We're not gonna let them chime in to say hello because they will when they present but I want to make sure everybody has that you know who you'll be hearing from. So first let me welcome from Austin Community College Heather Sorette and Kristy Carr who will be joining us in just a moment to tell us all about their work with dual enrollment. Todd McCann is an English instructor who's joining us from Bay College in Michigan and we'll be hearing from Peter Shapiro and Nancy Webster from Florida State College at Jacksonville and finally from the Technical College System of Georgia we'll be hearing from Nikki Stubbs who is a vice president with CCC OER this year and Robin Thomas who is an English and Humanities instructor and I want to say thank you to all of our presenters for taking on this presentation. We have never done a webinar on dual enrollment before so I'm really excited to hear what folks have to say. So as I mentioned I want to do a brief intro of CCC OER and what we do. CCC OER is a community of practice and our mission is really to expand the use and adoption of OER across many institutions and our members and others included. We believe that through professional development like these webinars and through supporting one another we can grow the use of open education across our community college systems. So to do that we have a membership organization and a community of practice. We are a growing organization right now which is very exciting. We have 81 members in 34 states and you can kind of see where they are here and it's just a brief welcome to our newest members. We have three new members just in the last month which is a very exciting for us and you can see who they are on the right-hand side of your screen. So I want to say welcome to our newest members and if any folks are attending the webinar from our newest members I would love it if you would just let us know you're here in the chat window. Okay so dual enrollment what is it and where are we so excited about it. So the idea for this webinar comes out of the realization that more and more colleges are responsible for dual enrollment which means having students who are at a high school level taking classes at the college or offering classes in the college just or in the high school to students who need college credit and so these dual enrollment students are not students who are who are accustomed to having purchased textbooks so OER can play a really interesting role in serving these students and I'm really excited to see how folks do it because many of our member colleges have shared in the past year that they're they have a rising number of students who are taking dual enrollment while they're in high school so that they can earn some credits towards college completion and so as that demand grows the need to support those students grows and OER is one way that we can help them stay engaged in our colleges so I'm really excited to hear about this because this is one of our biggest growing student enrollment here at Pierce College so I was really thrilled that our members want to go here because I need to learn the same things that I hope we're all here to learn today so without further ado I would like to start with Todd McCann from Bay College so Todd is gonna go ahead and unmute his screen and he'll just tell me when to send the slides forward. Hi everybody how's it can you see and hear me looking good okay ready to roll. Hi I'm Todd from Bay College we're way up in the upper peninsula of Michigan the part that tends to be forgotten way up there the part that's kind of looks like it's attached to Wisconsin but it is part of Michigan. We are based in a small town Escanaba about 12,000 people we have a smaller campus about 50 miles west Bay West the most recent stats I got are from fall 16 1935 students I've been here 25 years and the highest I can recall is about 2,500 and the lowest I think was just a few years ago I bought 16 maybe 1650. We are a small place 45 full-time faculties between 90 and 100 adjuncts I believe but like every elsewhere dual enrollment has become an increasingly important part of what we do here. As of fall 16 we had over 500 dual enrolled students 20 and a half percent of our total enrollment and those students are from 27 area high schools. They're spread out in all sorts of classes but most of them are in our gen ed classes which many of which are OER so if you could go ahead yes as far as our OER activity we were one of the colleges to receive the OER or the achieving the dream OER degree and if initiative grant and as part of that we developed a a degree pathway we had begun some OER work before that but this grant gave us a push to complete an entire degree. We have as it says there's 37 courses currently using OER and many sections because according to our full-time faculty contract all sections of the same class must use the same text. Now I don't think it's followed a hundred percent but pretty much for instance our English 101 and 102 courses use OER so that means all sections of English 101 and 102 use OER and since fall of 16 7600 students have been enrolled in OER courses and going with the average assumption of about a hundred bucks per course they were spending on books equals about $760,000 that's been saved so far. We do have I guess you could call traditional dual enrollment where students either come here and take our face-to-face classes we have many online. We do have we do offer some courses at the high schools about a half a dozen. I do I do happen to do one of those. We also have I don't know if it's unique or not but in this state called early college program where select schools participate they have to be approved by the state and after students graduate seniors in high school graduate they can come to the community college the next year for the full year for free so we have I'm not quite sure how many schools participating in that but we have quite some of those students too. New this year because of the increasing importance of dual enrollment we hired or we created a new position dual enrollment coordinator so this person coordinates all the scheduling she advising she advises dual enrolled students she handles the early alerts for ours dual enrollment population. As far as OER and dual enrollment some schools pay for the their students textbooks and some do not. It's kind of a mixed bag. Some superintendents have specifically asked so what do you have with OER because obviously their budgets are tight even tighter than ours and they can't afford to be spending $150 per book for a class of 25 students. So yeah that's the the basics of all I had what I had to present. Small school we're approaching the 30% dual enrolled status and a growing percentage of them are using OER so there we have no specific OER strategy connected to dual enrollment it just if they're in a class with with happen to have have an OER then then they're using OER but again I think the most interesting thing as far as I'm from my perspective is how many students are superintendents and administrators of our local high schools have been asking for OER courses because they just can't afford those expensive textbooks. Thank you so much Todd that's an interesting take on that and I'm making a note of it to ask you about it when we're in our panel session so I'm just so folks are aware we're gonna do a panel discussion at the end of this time so if you have specific questions for Todd or any of our presenters please pop them in the chat window or save them for then just because we have many presenters to get through. Todd thank you very much. Okay I'd like now to bring Nikki Stubbs and Robin Thomas forward and ask them to present a little bit about what they're doing at the technical college system of Georgia. Good afternoon everyone this is Nikki so I'm the educational technology coordinator and I'm gonna basically give you a system perspective of what we're doing with dual enrollment and OER and then Robin has graciously joined us from one of our colleges so Robin can give you more of a college level approach to to her specific classes or dual enrollment. So who will do you want to advance the slides? Okay so here we go so our overall system actually has 22 colleges they're all individual colleges the way that we're structured but we're all part of the technical college system and we have actually 88 locations throughout Georgia so we cover north to south east to west so there's pretty much 8 students have access to at least one of our campuses. To give you an idea of side our total unduplicated students for this the spring so currently is 95,302 for the system so that system overall I can say that Chattahoochee in which Robin teaches is our largest college so they have I'm gonna say about 9,500 students so they're a good chunk of this and then to give you an idea of how many dual enrollment students we have throughout the state it's almost 24,000 for the spring also so this is these are both spring of 2019 numbers and so it's almost it's right at 20 percent of our entire population for all of our colleges is dual enrollment so we are growing this actually we've always had a dual enrollment program of sorts but a few years ago they sort of combined some things and the legislature changed the structure of it quite substantially so now any Georgia high school student who is eligible and is in grades 9 through 12 and is that a participating high school has the opportunity to take take college classes for college level credit as well as high school credit and so Quill if you could advance that for me so just to give you an idea our colleges vary in terms of enrollment so as I mentioned Chattahoochee is our largest with probably a little over 9,500 students but we do have a couple of small colleges so we have some smaller colleges with you know anywhere from 1500 students I think it's probably the lowest the lowest student population that any one of our colleges has but they normally average somewhere between three and seven to eight thousand is a good general idea so within our 22 colleges we actually have 13 of them whose dual enrollment population is 20% of more of their entire population of those 13, 6 or 30% of more and then we have two of those who have 40% or more of their entire student population is dual enrollment and then one of our colleges actually has a dual enrollment population that is 58% I got that number just a couple of weeks ago so 50 you know more than half of their entire student population are high school students or college students for us but but they are in the dual enrollment pathway so that is quite substantial for our colleges who just you know are having to make these adjustments within just a couple of the years these numbers have just skyrocketed for us they started out pretty strong you know at around 12 to 17,000 just probably two and a half years ago and every year in turn they seem to grow I think we're finally starting to see them level out a little bit but you know there are definitely some challenges with regards to how you teach and logistics wise with those those colleges who are you know between the 30 and 50 percent of their population being high school students I know that those those those colleges had to make some adjustments and you know in their student population and how they think about their student population so I'm sorry for there we go okay so I just want to give you an idea I pull these I pull these enrollments regularly because a couple of years ago I have always worked with OER so it's coming up on almost seven years so we have always had kind of a we are approach from the system level but a couple of years ago we changed our structure and in how we are approaching it and so what dual enrollment their dual enrollment structure from the from the state or the legislature was changed we started looking at our top dual enrollment courses and these are our top dual enrollment courses these counts are from spring so of course the English 1101 and English 1102 numbers are normally swapped for the fall so if I pull these numbers for fall those two would be reversed and most likely the history the two history courses would be reversed so US history one is normally a fall a heavy fall term course and then US history two is normally more for the spring about at least a couple hundred so when we changed our structure we really started looking at these dual enrollment courses and and these these G&N courses with high dual enrollment populations because the way that dual enrollment works for us is our students who are coming from the high schools and or faculty going to the high schools are not responsible for textbooks so our colleges are responsible to provide those textbooks to their students so now we found the burden of the cost of these to be on the college and you know we have colleges who are spending hundreds of thousands of their budget to keep up with these textbook costs and in some cases it's quite astronomical for some of these large colleges with these high enrollment numbers so our colleges actually get $25 per credit hour per term per student so for the textbook and that is strictly for the textbook of course you know tuition comes along with that so just like any most dual enrollment programs do but but our colleges only get $75 essentially if you're looking at G&N courses that are three credit hours they get you know $75 for a text which in you know math sciences and frankly I've seen you know some history and inside books that run into the two and three hundred dollar range that seventy five dollars doesn't go far when you're looking at this many students now this is system-wide so you know it gets broke down amongst 22 colleges but the decimers are big so you know we really started looking at comparing total enrollment to these high dual enrollment courses and I will say that it's pretty on par so the top 10 dual enrollment courses are generally within probably three to four course difference in the top 10 there are you know our top enrollment courses anyway because everybody has to go through G&N before they get into their program courses or at least begin with G&N so in looking at this we actually already have I believe I have seven of these labeled English 1101, Psych 1101, Political Science 1101, American Government, we have two history US history courses our sociology course and then most recently we have our English 2130 we also have an econ course that's not that's not in our top 10 but so us at the system office we actually we looked at all of these numbers you know I was essentially pulling faculty from college saying you know please work with me you know help me build a course and we completely changed our approach so after seeing these numbers and the struggles that our faculty were having with you know not getting portionally time to build a course or not getting additional compensation or really any incentive to try to make an OER course we decided to start building something that we call foundational courses so all seven of these we have foundational courses that we developed in the system office along with usually a handful or at least some faculty from the colleges have input and or they completely come a boiler and help us build them a lot of these are open-stack space because it's easier to take those take those texts and kind of convert them into a course if I don't have a lot of help so now you know our faculty we're pretty on par with getting as many courses as we can of our top our top you know enrollment courses dual or otherwise available for faculty to at least have a foundation to start with of a show of a course so we essentially build out the course as a minute so we build out the courses to have a basically just a shell and a foundation of basic things you would find in a course so that faculty can take it and expand upon it so we're gonna move along to the next person I'm like we'll go ahead and take over and then Robin will be able to answer some of your more college related questions we're staying in okay thank you so much Nikki all right so we're gonna go ahead and move to Heather and Christie and Christie we didn't check to see if you made it so Christie is on as a call and is working on getting the video set up because she is doing it from a high school where one of the challenges is technology access and reliability so she's trying her best and is everyone able to hear me and see me okay you're good Heather yeah okay great so if you can just go to the next slide and in the next one so we're gonna talk about the OER here at Austin Community College and I'll start by giving you an overview of Austin Community College we have about 70,000 students annually enrolled and of those we have about 7,000 close to 7,000 dual credit students that includes both dual credit students and also early college high school we operate at 11 different campuses we offer 100 different programs of study and 10 areas of study and our motto is start here get there we serve over six counties in central Texas and we are certified as a Hispanic serving institution so for OER and dual credit if you can go one more slide sorry thank you so for OER and dual credit this last fall in 2018 we offered 56 sections of OER in the high schools or in high school classes that are offered at ACC campuses so we offer dual credit classes which are students who are not in the early college high school program but are taking college level coursework and they can take up to 12 courses for free and then after that they pay tuition early college high school they are on a degree path where the goal is for them to earn an associate's degree at the time they graduate from high school and those are offered both in the high schools and also on campus either as mixed classes or designated for that specific high school so in fall of 2018 we had 56 sections that offered dual credit using OER that included US government history US history one and two effective learning strategies which is what we're going to focus on today and introduction to psychology so that semester alone at the standard $100 per student that's an estimated savings of $5,600 in this current spring semester we are offering 62 early college high school dual credit classes using OER and to the ones listed above we offered in addition to those composition to and public speaking and that is an estimated savings of $6,200 for just this semester next slide please and I'm here to specifically talk about the OER we have created and used for our effective learning strategies class which is our kind of introduction to college study skills effective learning class this was developed as part of the achieve the dream grant like many of you participated in and I developed the OER along with Laura Lucas who is an adjunct in our student development and general studies department we piloted the OER in the spring of 2017 and it was originally hosted on the lumen platform which worked with achieve the dream and that required a blackboard shell or a course shell to be loaded into our blackboard course which is our learning management system we then made it available to all of our EDUC student development faculty in the fall of 2017 and then in the summer of 2018 we moved the OER to OER commons so that it would remain free to students and this also is a web page excuse me a web based platform so it does not require blackboard or learning management system to access the OER currently over 50% of all of our EDUC sections use OER or we call it ZTC zero textbook cost here at ACC the EDUC sections include the three credit hour version EDUC 1300 which is what most students take and they're required to take it within their first 12 credit hours and then we also offer a two credit hour version and one credit hour version and then I offer trainings semesterly to faculty on how to use the OER to develop their curriculum in their classroom and next slide please so effective learning is usually the first course that ACC students have to take it is the first course that early college high school students have to take dual credit students are not required to take effective learning but many of them still take it as an elective one benefit of using the OER for this specific class is that we can include ACC specific content so there are direct links in the OER to their area of study advising to career services to our library and this as I think especially helps our dual credit students in our early college high school students feel connected to ACC especially if they're taking the class just in their high school the OER is interactive we have embedded web links quizzes videos so it's more than a standard it's not a PDF for example or open stacks one advantage of using the OER is that it updates immediately so if we offer a new service on campus I can put that into the OER and it is made available to everyone since it's web-based we don't have to reload or recourse copy or relink or anything and another advantage is that the OER is available on day one there's no registration required they don't need to use Blackboard or learning management system another advantage is that students have access to the OER after the course has ended since it's a web a website essentially and next slide please so specifically in how we're using the OER and effective learning strategies for our dual enrollment in early college high school in the our department we offered 27 early college high school specific classes and 19 of those the spring semester use the OER and that number is increasing as the semesters go on most sections are taught in high schools that are considered low income or low performing oftentimes we also bust those students to an ACC campus to take the class on campus but if the class is offered within the high school many of the faculty are our teachers who work at the high school that have a master's degree which qualifies them to teach at ACC so they are high school math teachers who also teach the effective learning strategies class or high school English teachers etc one area of concern I guess is that all of our faculty are able to pick what they use for their textbook so right now we have two choices for our EDUC courses they can use the OER which is free or they use a textbook by Cengage which is paid for by a student fee and it's still relatively low cost so that means that there isn't necessarily consistency from semester to semester from high school to high school so if you have somebody from one of our adjuncts from ACC teaching at Crockett High School they may choose to use OER and then the next semester another faculty may be assigned to teach there and they may choose to use Cengage one advantage of using the OER for the dual enrollment students is that it's available as a web link that they do they can access it anywhere from a computer from a tablet from their phones or mobile phones and that oftentimes in the high schools students are provided with tablets or Chromebooks or sometimes they have carts that they bring to the classrooms with laptops or Chromebooks available for them and next slide please if you can go to the next slide oh that is next slide sorry back so the difference for us is that dual credit students need to pay for their own textbooks and oftentimes the parents need a payment plan to do that if you can go back one slide please thank you but early college high school the schools the high schools pay for the textbooks and they especially would like to reuse the textbook from semester to semester but as I said it's faculty choice the OER is essentially replacing what's approximately a $50 textbook but the way we've done it is that we require the students to pay a student fee which covers their textbook if it's not an OER that means that the high schools would have to pay that fee every semester if the faculty member chooses to use the Cengage book if they use OER for those dual enrollment or early college high school classes then the high schools don't have to pay anything for those textbooks one challenge we had using a traditional textbook in the high schools is that because we paid for the textbooks with a student fee faculty received the textbooks 25 textbooks and then had to distribute that to our students and that was often difficult to get the textbooks physically to the high schools especially if it was a high school teacher who was also an adjunct they had to figure out how to make it to a campus bookstore when it was open get the 25 textbooks and bring them back also 25 textbooks are remarkably heavy so that's a challenge another challenge is that the Cengage textbook does require blackboard and it requires registering and linking and that was sometimes a challenge for our high school based adjuncts because they had to learn a brand new system they had to learn blackboard how to link the Cengage site to blackboard and then they had to teach that to their students next slide please and I'm gonna is Christy Carr here is are you able to participate Christy okay so I don't know if Christy was able to get on so I will do my best to summarize her expertise Christy has been teaching dual enrollment classes in the high schools for several semesters and she has taught not only the EDUC 1300 effective learning but also comp 1 and comp 2 so her advice to dual credit instructors who are using OER is to set up a blackboard site this is especially important for our class because it is the first class that they take here at ACC so it's important that they learn the learning management system so that because they're going to experience that again in their other courses and so setting up a blackboard site that has the OER within that and then as well as a grade book and assignment so they can experience blackboard and then she also recommends that the class time is used to teach them how to use blackboard and how to access the materials and the support that's available but the OER link is also provided outside of blackboard so that students don't need to enter blackboard every time they want to access their textbook it's provided as a web link and she recommends that you preview that first chapter in class to show them exactly how to access it how to access the features the links there's also a blackboard app that students can put on their phones and that is also very helpful especially in the high schools where many of them have smartphones but they may not have computer access at home and last slide I think so today using OER at Austin Community College with an estimate of $100 per student we have saved students over three million dollars so that's pretty substantial and the next slide is our contact information if you would like to reach out if you have additional questions thank you so much Heather and congratulations on those savings that's huge okay so we have one final presentation today I think right so and they're sharing a screen they're both there so Peter and Nancy please take it away let me know when to slides okay well hello everyone I'm Pete Shapiro director of creative learning services and the division of online and workforce here at FSCJ hi I'm Nancy Webster and I'm executive director of articulations for college so if we can advance to the next slide quickly just show you just some overall information about our institution for those who are not familiar with Jacksonville we are the largest city in the continuous 48 states covering over 800 square miles Florida State College of Jacksonville covers all at Duval County and Massaw County so we are spread out even just for a single institution sometimes we think of ourselves as a system as opposed to a single college this gives you a nice overview we do have over 150 programs at the institution and I got involved in this project through OER so why don't we go ahead to that next slide please it was through the achieving the dream grant that has been described we completed our AA in general studies you can see the stats with regards to the courses we started from spring of 2017 offering just a couple of sections and serving about 80 students and through fall which was the end of our data tracking for the grant we had 187 sections and throughout had saved close to 900,000 in textbook costs notice the spring and summer estimate for for this year in the midst of spring we will surpass that by a few sections summer is still a question mark but you know what we were doing was designing this for online delivery and so we were doing two different things the way that we design our online courses is through a production shop and so we have a faculty subject matter expert working with a team and structural design on our multimedia team and a librarian and so our the content in these courses is quite robust and sometimes it's something that maybe started as open stacks or started as as a woman learning course but then has been added to other sources and then mixed and delivered in either a PDF fashion or in a way that students can look at it in an HTML5 format on the left so anyone can download the content but now to get to real important stuff I'll hand this over to Nancy and our next slide. Thank you Pete. I am in charge of the dual enrollment program at the college and as you can see it's a very large program we have almost 3,000 students each semester and these dual enrollment students basically are all different flavors of dual enrollment they are public school students they are private school students and we also have a very large homeschool population of dual enrollment students as well both from our both of our counties and we offer courses we are some of the students actually come to our campuses but we offer a lot of classes in the high schools as well so it's about 12% of our credit enrollment and what we're offering at the high schools taught by high school credentialed instructors we had 173 different sections at 42 high schools and we also offer some of these courses in middle schools as well because we actually have a pre-early college program to prepare students to come into high school and start taking college credit courses. Currently we're offering 29 different courses on the high school sites and we have a very high success rate in our program as a whole about 93 percent which is much higher than traditional students if you can go to the next slide please. OER has been a real boon to the high schools because in the state of Florida we are not permitted to charge students public school students or homeschool students for their textbooks so if the students are public school dual enrollment students then it is the school district that must pay for the textbooks if it is a homeschool student then the college is responsible for the cost so both the districts and the college we were delighted with this option because it is a very significant savings for all of us. Private school students do have to pay for their own textbooks but again they're very delighted when they have the option of taking an OER course so we are really trying to expand the OER use at the high schools we've actually written it into our dual enrollment articulation agreements then we will offer the OER to the schools for free as long as they can guarantee that they will make sure that the students have access to the technology so that they can utilize those resources effectively and so this has worked out quite well and just as a single aside I also have the unique situation where I am actually teaching one of these courses as well so I'm an administrator but I'm also a faculty member so I've been teaching the biology for non majors at one of our high school sites and my students are delighted that they do not have to to lug around yet another heavy textbook and they've been very very successful in the course utilizing the OER resources. Thank you. Okay thank you all so much and it looks like we have about 10 minutes so not as much time to take questions but I'm really excited for the opportunity to kind of get us all talking with each other about this concept and I want to start by hearing from some of the faculty on how because I know dual enrollment classes affect teaching in general but how I'm just gonna ask this question and I'm gonna ask it of all of our faculty presenters today. As an instructor what were some of your concerns about using OER with dual enrollment students? What did you find out after you started using OER? In teaching. Hi this is Todd. I really I guess I have no concerns especially when I have first you first OER I used was one that I helped develop as part of the team so I just looked at our dual enrolled students as just any other student who might be in my freshman comm class. Yeah I agree with Tom. I don't think I don't treat the dual enroll students any differently than I do regular students but I guess some of my concerns in the beginning is you know I'm old school I like a textbook I like have something to refer to and so I think and mentally I had to adjust that I had to make some changes and I hope I don't like cover another question here but I had to make sure that they had some if I wanted to use the text I they had some device that they could bring the text up but I also started flipping my classroom a good bit in the terms of they were responsible for reading outside and I made journal assignments so I would give them questions ahead of time so that they would have to have textual evidence for things and before they came to class to talk about that and they could refer to their that and their journals if they weren't able to bring the text up so you know once I adapted to that mentally it's fine I find that actually the dual enroll students because they are so used to using technology on a day-to-day basis I mean they take quizzes on their phones they do all kinds of things on their phones so it's really not a transition for them it's probably more of a transition for instructors I think. Thank you for that Robin that's kind of the kind of feedback that's really helpful to have in particular because I noticed one of the questions for our colleagues at Florida stated Jacksonville in the chat window which I have a hard time seeing without advancing the slides in weird ways so if you see if you have a question in the chat window you really want to ask go ahead and unmute yourself and ask it but I do want to ask this one I know are any of our colleges providing print resources print versions of the OER to their students as a way of providing equal access. I know that at ACC some of our classes I think government uses open stacks and provides PDF and I think some of our literature classes and comp one classes also offer printed packets typically what happens is I think it's made available as a PDF and then it is the students responsibility to incur those printing costs. That's the same way it is at FSCJ so they have the PDF option and they may print it on their own. And I'll add that that was a concern when or a challenge when we first debuted the OER is many of our faculty not just early college high school but they wanted a hard copy more for themselves than for the students and the OER that we created for effective learning does not lend itself to being printed as a PDF it has embedded videos it has embedded activities and you would lose many of those features if you just printed it and so that was kind of hard to convince faculty that no there is no hard copy there's no teachers edition and they've transitioned but it was kind of a what I know students have to get it online but where's my copy and your copy is on the website just like their copy is. Thank you for mentioning that and Heather can you say a few more words actually you talked about professional development that you do every quarter for your faculty who are teaching with the OER can you talk a little bit about the kinds of conversations you have in that session. So usually semesterly since we rolled out the OER for effective learning back in 2017 that was very new for for what we were doing in our department and so we started with a training to get everybody up and running and at that time it was even a little more complicated because we worked with Lumen and so that required a course copy from Blackboard in order to get that shell moved over. I also developed material specific for the OER so the Blackboard site hosts a test bank, PowerPoint slides, example handouts, journal entries, those kinds of things. So it was kind of the mix of introducing them to the OER as well as introducing them to how to use the OER within Blackboard and what resources were available to them as faculty and I think that was many faculty's main concern is that when you're working with the big textbook companies they provide a lot of supplemental material right. You get test banks, you get PowerPoint slides, you get quizzes, activities and so Laura and I when we developed the OER tried very hard to replicate that as best that we could although we cannot come up with a thousand question test bank per chapter so but we did show them how to use those resources, how to integrate our assignments, which chapters those would fall under but one big advantage was that we were able to listen to faculty they would say how about you put this video in or can you mention this and because the OER is updated immediately we were able to implement some of those changes. We did though have to also explain to faculty that we are limited in what can go into the OER by creative comments licensing so their favorite video on time management couldn't be put into the OER because we had to follow those copyright laws and rules and so every semester we offered a training for faculty that may not have taught with it before or they just want to refresher and it basically outlines how to teach it with the OER. That's a neat idea. Christy is there anything you want to share about that process? I know that you're at the same institution do you do the same with other classes? Oh we may not have audio for you. Christy I'm so sorry we're not hearing you. So I'm going to ask another question of all of our institutions because it came up in the chat window about how faculty go about creating these courses what are the incentives for them what are the institutional support services for faculty who design these courses? I can speak for us for the very small school we have quite a good support system led by two particular people Edie, Erickson and Joseph Mold and being as part of the achieving the dream grant has been a big help basically any faculty member here can get all the help they want or need. Edie is she's an incredible resource for finding materials collating materials she's an expert on all the copyright stuff so being small in our case definitely has an advantage no person can ever say that they don't have help. We also the achieve the dream grant was a big incentive for many faculty because we received a stipend or release time I think as an adjunct you were given a stipend equivalent to three credit hours and as full-time faculty we were given a release time of three credit hours and so that was an incentive for sure but that lasted one semester and then you know three years later it's I'm still working on it every day so for me the big incentive is the savings to students and also having the having all students having access to the material day one means that those first couple weeks of class time can actually be used for teaching instead of waiting for the students to get their textbooks but we do have institutional support our associate vice president Galen Scott is very supportive and Ursula Pike who I believe is here in the conference is our coordinator of instructional activities and she also offers a lot of support as well as our head librarian Kerry gets. I just wanted to chime in on the sustainability and again going back to the grant the grant just basically gave us the opportunity to take what we already had in place for our online courses and just extend it to OER we really wanted to have one model that we use the sustainability model of you know giving a stipend for a faculty member who's going to develop a master course that course would then be revised anywhere between 18 and 36 months after it's created based on the content area based on how much might change or might need to be improved once again a stipend would be used based on the work needed it's something that the Center for e-learning has been doing for some time and it just made sense I know to Nancy when she started inquiring about hey what have you guys done what can we apply to the high schools that we're already doing here at the institution it was just a natural. Thank you for that yes and I think as a college that has that ATD grant I'll chime in here and say it's really really helpful but then you have to consider sustainability and how you keep that work ahead of you so I'm looking at the time and I want to make sure to get in the CCC announcement OER announcements briefly before we can return to the conversation because I know folks are about to lose their hour so I just want to mention that the CCC OER website has wonderful information including ways to get involved in our community we are looking for officers right now for next year so if you're at all interested in participating at that level please visit our website and get in touch with me via email I will put my email in the chat window link towards the end of the webinar but please visit our website CCC OER org and if you go into the top right button about our community you can find things like our list of upcoming conferences where we list OER conferences that are coming up and links to our community email so that you can join our email list if you're not there already. We do these webinars monthly during the school year so we have two more coming up we have one on May 8th on ZTC OER and ZTC degree pathways so we will be hearing from some wonderful folks in California, Minnesota and New York as you can see in front of you. Several of our presenters today mentioned the OER degree initiative and that's part of the OER degree pathway work and then on June 5th we're going to have regional models for OER implementation because there seems to be a fair amount of work in the regional space around OER so we're really really excited to have two more webinars of this academic year and we're hopeful that you will join us at them. Okay so here is contact information for Luna, myself and Liz. We are all great fonts of information in terms of finding out more about CCC OER but I want to give we still have three minutes left of our webinar so it's a chance for folks to chime in on things that they didn't get a chance to talk about or answer questions they see in the chat window that they like so I want to turn this time over to our presenters and in particular Robin we didn't get a chance to hear from you would you like to chime in briefly? Yes one thing that I wanted to say is just as far as resources is that I have become best friends with our librarians and one of the most helpful things on our campuses is they have hosted what they call OER boot camps and so for example the first one last May we spent you know between the semester breaks like three days where we went and we were able faculty members were able to sit there in the classroom with librarians and so what that did I like in three days it helped me to almost completely build an American lit course because I was able to go through the things that I couldn't find I could refer to a librarian and they were there to help me research that and so for example I even had one example with there was something that I found in American lit and I really wanted to use this and I couldn't find where you know there are any permissions for that and so one of our librarians I just handed it over to her she emailed the museum that that document came from and got permission for me and so to be able to use that resource so I cannot sing the praises enough about our librarians and they they continually are just eager to help us also what in particular one of our librarians has set up a special link on our library website that is just a collection of OER materials by subject and she's continually adding to that and so that is huge just to be able to go there because they can find things that we can't because that's their job I love that idea of the OER boot camp and now I want to have one okay and I always I always love when the last word is about librarians but if anybody would like to chime in one more thing I would love to hear from you we have one minute left of our day quill there was a great question from Jackie about adult learners 35 and up and maybe they might have some difficulty that the younger students wouldn't have with accessing digital materials and I wondered if one of the faculty or administrators would like to take that on I can speak to that here at ACC a lot of my students are considered non-traditional veterans returning back to the workforce I've had students as old as 85 so I think I'm initially they are a little intimidated by having their textbook online but I think that it is easier for them to navigate the OER that is hosted on OER Commons than it is for them to navigate Blackboard which they have to learn how to do anyway so yes they are a little intimidated some of them not all of them but some are a little intimidated about the technology that is required of them now as a college student but technology is now required of them as a college student and so using technology to teach effective learning strategies is a good way to onboard them to the technology they'll need to be successful in community college here at ACC and also if they transfer or if they go directly to the workforce thank you so much Heather okay so I want to thank you all for participating in our webinar today I really am grateful that people want to talk about this dual enrollment question because I think it's an ongoing concern and I know it's one that's big in my institution and thank you again for participating in our webinars we can take a couple more questions if people are willing to hang out but as of right now I'm formally ending the formal part of the webinar thank you all