 Okay, so here we go. Looking at Second Timothy now. Second Timothy again Paul lays down reiterates some of those important things of stirring up the gift which was given. Two Timothy verse 13, whole fast the pattern of sound words which you've heard from me in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus and that good thing which was committed you keep by the Holy Spirit and so on. In chapter 2 talks about the reality of the ministry. It says you must end your hardship as a good soldier of Jesus Christ. You must end your hardships and also talks about the way in which someone who is in warfare what is that what is that person's mindset and how they will not entangle himself with you know certain things but really be focused and also talks about athletics and so on. So the reality is that you know so we see that Paul is really not holding back anything from Timothy just telling him this is the reality it's hard work and therefore there will be hardships involved and you end your hardship as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. Then he also talks about reminding again and again in verse 14 he says remind them of these things charging them not to strive about words to no prophet to the ruin of the hearers be diligent to present yourself approved to God a worker who does not need to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. So again so we see that okay typically Ephesus may have had a challenge like we saw about with regard to doctrine with regard to a lot of you know other things coming into the church but we also you know we see that this is a good instruction for those who are doing spiritual ministry church those who are doing ministering in the church right and then he warns Timothy he also talks about the example of hymenias and philates and about their message and how they have concerned straight from the truth and they overthrow the faith of some so that's the you know so that's the reason that Paul is again and over and over again reminding Timothy to be rooted in the word to to immerse himself in the word of God and to teach the right thing because there are others who are overthrowing the faith of some and definitely you know we don't want to do that as ministers as pastors right and chapter three talks about how you know talks about how there is misuse and abuse right and and and warns Timothy about that right it's talking about how people will be unloving unforgiving slanderers having a form of godliness denying its power and one of the those who creep into households chapter six chapter three verse six making captives of gullible women loaded down with sins led away by various lusts and so on and also names a couple of people and and then he says that they will progress no further for their folly will be manifest to all their fruit will be manifest to all but saying you know that's something that you need to watch out for because in verse 10 he says you have carefully followed my doctrine manner of life purpose faith long suffering love perseverance persecutions afflictions and and all that and he said and again says that those who desire to live godly in Christ will suffer persecution and but you continue okay verse 14 but you must continue the things which you have learned and been assured of knowing from whom you have learned them okay so so it gives the reality to Timothy about about the ministry and and what he should do what he should not do and so on chapter four says preach the word be ready in season and out of season okay so be ready to minister the word be ready in season and out of season and which means that you'll be ready at all times right in in different seasons of life in in the ups and downs you'll be ready to minister the word preach the word and then he lays down four things right convince rebuke exhort sorry three convince rebuke and exhort and of course fourthly the preaching the word also along with says convince rebuke exhort with all long suffering and with teaching right so so it's preaching and then teaching but also there is you know we add those three other elements of convincing there is also rebuke and there is exhortation and he's saying be watchful endure afflictions do the work of an evangelist fulfill your ministry so as a as a pastoral call obviously Timothy also had had an evangelistic call so Paul is saying you know do the work of an evangelist fulfill your ministry so so we see this in first Timothy and second Timothy and I'm sure you know if you if you look closely and if you read through you will see many other instructions and which we can glean and say okay this is what a pastor does right and Titus in Titus we see a similar thing you know and we see many of those qualifications being repeated you know Titus who's in Crete and he is doing a similar ministry like like Timothy overseeing the church there so here also he says you know I left you in Crete that you should set in order the things that are lacking and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you if a man is blameless the husband of one wife having faithful children and so on okay and then he says for a bishop must be so you know you know elders you use the word Presbyterus and bishop here the word you know escapé so using that these two words interchangeably referring to people who are giving spiritual oversight okay and also their qualifications blameless steward of God not self-will not quick quick tempered not given to wine not violent not greedy for money but hospital will allow her of what is good sober minded just holy self-control holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exot and convict those who contradict okay so he talks about all this um chapter two speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine okay doctrine which accords with godliness okay so Beth's question is where Timothy and Titus married at the point of these letters being written I'm not really sure about that Beth because um well we don't see all referring to you know the marital status of these two young men so I'm not really sure of that whether whether they married at this point or at some other point in life you're not sure yeah I guess your question is because is there any other this thing it was some many times we you know when it comes to pastoral ministry you know sometimes some churches have this thing that one must be married in order to be a pastor yeah I think that's the thing do elders need to be married well we see that well we don't see that as a as a requirement right the only thing is he just qualifies if they are married then they need to be right that's what we see if a man's name is the husband of one wife having faithful children you know and so on so which is you know if they are married then this is should be the nature of their household and so on so we don't see you know all laying down because he himself you know doesn't seem to be married seems to be single at the point of writing these are in in these missionary journeys and so on so so you know so we don't really see that as a condition yeah right okay okay so let's so yeah so Titus he for Titus he just lays down these examples and and which is similar you will see the it's similar to 1st Timothy and 2nd Timothy and so we we kind of understand okay so this is the nature of the ministry and these are the qualifications or these are some things that in terms of character in terms of ability we look for people and so on right in chapter 3 we see avoid chapter 3 and verse 9 avoid foolish disputes genealogies contentions strivings about the law for they are profitable and useless and then he goes on to say reject a divisive man after the 1st and 2nd admonition knowing that such a person is walked and sinning being self-condemned okay so if you read before that he talks about being subject to authorities and you know to be ready for every good work and all those qualifications to be peaceful showing humility etc right and so here again he says you know if a person is divisive dividing the body so he says reject but after the 1st and 2nd admonition okay we are told not to be hasty in laying on our hands okay yet Paul also tells Timothy not to let others look down on him because of his youth how do we go about appointing an elder if they are young do we recommend a person to have had a proper job before coming into full-time ministry okay you are told not to be hasty so so the 1st part of that question is yeah we see Paul saying not to appoint people hastily right so and also previously also he says when it comes to Dickens he says you know make sure that they are not novices they're not they're not new to these or inexperienced in this so that they don't become puffed up you know people are looking up to them and they are maybe you know carrying on certain responsibilities so they should not be become proud and puffed up so that's the reason why he's saying you know don't be hasty in overseeing or in appointing leaders and yes and Paul also says not to let others look down on him so so it's not just the age right so one can be young at the same time you know be mature right the because the age of the person or the crop you know the physical age of the person does not really matter because the person can be of a certain age but then they might be mature beyond their years right so and Timothy seems to be of such a person you know he says you know I've seen the faith which was in your mother and your grandmother Lois and so I'm sure isn't he in you also and and obviously Timothy Titus all these people were part of the ministry team and and so Timothy being a young person he says don't look down on you so so that's that's one thing so so we know that a person can be physically very you know natural age could be physical age could be less but they could be mature and they need not be a novice in these things they could be you know believers exposed to you know ministering and so on so so yeah so that's that's the thing so we appoint an elder even if they are young but if you see that they have a heart for ministry they have they also display certain you know maturity and experience and sincerity and they walk with God and they'll continue to grow of course right and also in giving them the the task we Paul says you test in the sense you let them do certain things and you see that over a period of time and then you know maybe the testing period can be you know a season of giving corrections bringing things in alignment which are not yet not yet aligned with regard to certain aspects of their life maybe you know some character issues maybe some some theological standpoint whatever you know that can be brought in alignment and then they can be released into you know put on the job the second part of the question is how do we go about okay do we recommend a person to have had a proper job before coming into full-time ministry well you know the thing is that if that that need not be the case you know they need not be the case because sometimes God just calls people it depends on the call of God right God just calls people who you know who maybe been studying and then God calls them into ministry and they don't maybe not necessarily hold a full-time job or vocation yeah um yeah so that's the thing but you know but when you see Paul writing about especially in chapter four first Timothy he talks about how one should take care of own household right he says you know those who you know if they don't provide for their own household like chapter four and verse eight especially those you know if they don't provide for their own then they've actually denied the faith and worse than an unbeliever so so the thing is you know is the person of a certain age where they can provide for their household and are they deny you know are they kind of not doing that you know that so that would be you know something to watch out for right but to for a person to be to have a regular job you know maybe not not really maybe not not in all cases right but maybe you know sometimes it just so happens they are in the season of learning in the season of being equipped and training being trained for that transition into you know so-called full-time ministry and you know it wouldn't help to take care of their needs maybe take care of the needs of the family for the person to have you know have a be gainfully employed right but that's full-time you know freelancing whatever to be gainfully employed so that they can take care of the needs while being you know trained equipped and being commissioned for ministry so I hope that helps Beth yeah okay okay here's another question like from Kennedy can a pastor pay for a political seat or accept nomination for a post is it proper okay can a person be a pastor and a politician wow that's you know the thing is they are taking care of people they are you know spiritually nurturing people and at the same time in today's concept context you know would it would they can they do that right looking after church well if God has specifically called them and grace them for the job I guess they they should they should step in and do that but we know that it's you know knowing you know today's political you know it's going to be a tough tough call right tough job and but if God has called them to do that then they definitely should you know take it up and do it if God has called them to do that and right for example you know we know you know the demand on time for both these you know both these callings you know to run a city state or a nation and to take care of the household of God right the church maybe it's a local church or a group of churches we know the every person has 24 hours and we know the demand of time on both this you know it's it's demanding okay so if God is called probably you know God would we need to have the grace of God to manage to do things in a in a manner so I don't I really haven't seen too much of that I haven't seen that but yeah it's it's wonderful if it can happen and you know that you know we need believers like in the in the political scene who can who can do a good job who can stand for righteousness and be impartial bring in good judgment and good legislation so it'll be great but it's going to be a demanding thing but by the grace of God they can yeah yeah is there any particular reason you're asking that question Kennedy like is uh um are you interested or you know is I'm not interested but there are occasions where they're nominated or they are made board members or they're asked to write for this local post so it becomes a bit tricky at times because it can be overwhelming but I'm not interested okay yeah but yeah but it's a you know it's a it's a it's a wonderful call definitely you know to um to do this not only this but also you know being in the entertainment industry and high visibility um sphere of influence you know you see the scope is you know very large um at the same time comes with you know a person needs to be really really sure okay they're called to do this and then you know they do it right okay does Paul recommend pastor as there is less responsibility and hence more focus on pastoral work um you know if when we study Chris to first Corinthians and second Corinthians um uh next year and we're going to be looking at that in detail because uh in um in in first Corinthians he talks about the you know the he talks about you know sillness he talks about uh you know all this um and in chapter seven first Corinthians chapter seven he talks about that so um in the light of immorality the light of the culture and so on so he talks about that and there you know he makes certain statements like you know I you know it'll be good if everyone is just like I am you know but then he also contrasts you know if what happens to a married person there are domestic responsibilities and and you know roles and which come with it and if a person is unmarried and so on so he talks about that um but he uh he does not um you know give it as or share it as a um as as a law of God as a commandment of God and so on he also talks about the beauty of marriage the fact that it's created by God and designed by God and so on but he comes to the place of saying you know uh it is uh the being single again being uh uh uh again a call and a grace right so so that's the thing so he says just like how you need the grace of God to be married uh he says you know you need the grace of God to be single and also you know it's uh because of the call of God and uh you you know you you're able to focus and do that um so he talks about it so it it's not as if he recommends being unmarried but he definitely talks about the advantages he talks about the struggles of both and also from what you get is that from reading that is that that you need the grace of God and it's a unique call of God definitely you know once you recognize that uh let's just go with it so that is what we see um I hope that helped Chris okay so um so was this then construed by the Catholic uh for the priests um I'm not sure how that came into the Catholic Church like I haven't really studied that um like how uh the emphasis of this probably you know um but it's interesting to see that Paul actually um uh you know he incontents again like he talks about certain things about what he refers to as doctrines of demons and uh he talks about you know people uh teaching about uh uh abstaining from certain kinds of foods and and and all that uh sorry not in Corinthian elsewhere yeah so one of the episodes where he talks about that um so um so I'm so I'm not really sure why this was uh you know how in what nature you know it came into the Catholic Church I'm not really sure but um yeah so probably they laid a lot of emphasis on this and I mean do that not really sure what is the procedure for excommunicating the elder from a congregation without causing divisions um well Kennedy that's that that is a tough call you know um and again in you know one Corinthians he uh talks about that and second Corinthians follows up with you know with the restoration of the person who was actually put uh you know out of the fellowship of the church but it's a um it's a very serious thing it's not for you know it's not because they don't agree with you or it's not because uh you know it's not for any reason but it's something very very serious which is uh affecting the church uh which is um in a person isn't living in open rebellion and uh or direct um you know in in sin openly in sin brazenly um revolting against the laws of God so for such a person like Corinthian culture was very permissive and uh he's talking about this person who is actually having physical sexual relationship with his father's wife you know like stepmother and obviously they have been attempts at correcting and uh he's continuing to do so right so that person the fellowship church so so the procedure would be the same that uh we take that first two steps like you know you tell the person in person directly that what they're doing is wrong and whatever they are doing is affecting them it's affecting the church and give them time to change uh no change again with uh one or two witnesses you know so it's not just your word as a leader but uh you know it's also others who have seen this and others who was also you know know and they they also see that it's not according to it's not God honoring it's also creating damage in in the body so you do it with them and even after that you give them time you give them time after change of after that also you know there is no change then the person is uh you know put away or ask church anymore um so that's the procedure obviously uh it has to be done in a in a manner that um you know it's it's a tough thing you know all said and done it is tough it is difficult and obviously the congregation has to know why uh but they be not uh you know if if they have to know you know it's like affected a lot of people and maybe the entire congregation knows this person and maybe there needs to be some explanation given right maybe if the person was a spiritual leader you know like a like a pastor an elder and they need an explanation why that person has was asked to step down and why the person was asked not to you know it's a serious thing so it has to be explained to the congregation and then obviously there might be some people who might say but be such a nice person or she's such a nice person uh maybe it is too tough on them etc and of course you need to explain the process what was done what was and uh without getting into too many details you know because you don't want to you know kind of defame the person also at the same time right so why is it done it's done so that the person might actually repent and come back uh to God come back repent of his ways at the same time not creating further damage to the other believers you know maybe people who look up to them etc um and in second Corinthians we read about that person repenting and Paul writing to the Corinthian church and he say you know now you need to you know forgive and receive that person back into fellowship right uh lest that person be swallowed up with too much sorrow you know he's he's soaring he's he's he's repenting so that changes in so that's the that's the intention with which this is done right so yeah so this is the procedure yeah uh church administration I'm sure you will find it you know very very interesting maybe look at all these things which come into play yeah okay okay so let's get back to Titus so so he's saying you know a rejected device of man chapter 3 verse 10 after the first and second admonition so again this is the you know the the extreme measure and knowing that this is causing damage to the body of Christ so you see a lot of things that we can glean from from all these from these three episodes first to second Timothy and Titus about the role of the pastor okay um now I just wanted to share a few things from the book of honor so let me just maybe project just give me a second I hope you can see it yeah so um yeah so so one of the things you know now this these principles are you know are for all the three ministry gifts that we have seen so far whether it be the evangelists teacher or the pastor and so this would be applicable across right but the the but the thing is to certain things would be you know very very crucial for the for the ministry of the the pastor okay especially you know the second thing that we're going to talk about okay so firstly to understand the ministry about building people okay when it comes to church ministry again there are a lot of things okay involved where is the church meeting and you know and the other things you know the kind of things that are there in the form of worship and so on but understanding the ministry was about building people okay so Paul himself says in 1st Corinthians 3 he's referring to the the people the believers as gods field gods building okay um you know and 1st Peter we saw Peter saying you are God's flock okay so people of God so we have the privilege of ministering and building up the people of God okay so 1st Corinthians 2 verses 19 and 20 you see the you know the whole perspective you know what is our joy or crown or rejoicing is it not you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ that is coming okay which means that you also have run the race and you have fought the good fight and you've come and you're saying you know I've done that right till the end and verse 20 he says you are our glory and joy okay so it's about people about building people and so whatever we do you know whatever things that we do strategies whatever we do in ministry the end result is you know how are people being impacted how will this help contribute to you know the especially edifying people and and so on so it's about people right the thing is that we need to understand that it's a journey when it comes to church and pastoral ministry it's a journey right which means that everybody is traveling together it's not something that hope happens overnight it's a process it's a journey okay so which means that one needs to have patience in this journey okay so you know in the writer of Hebrews is saying you know by this time you ought to be teachers but now you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God and you have come to need milk and not solid food while that is a hard thing to express to an audience but that's he says that's the reality you've you've come to need solid you've come to need milk and not solid food okay but then so what is the what is the thing then right to to nourish the congregation to bring them to a place of you know them partaking of solid food okay so so that's the thing right so we see that again chapter six he says therefore leaving these discussions of the elementary principles okay let us go on let us journey on to other things go on to perfection and we don't want to lay again that foundation of repentance from dead works you know in verse three says you know this will we will do if God permits like we will we will we will do this you know with this journey and maybe we might have to come back but we will do as God permits so so for us to understand that it's a journey taking people it's about people it's about taking people you know journey along with people onto spiritual maturity and we need to understand that right and interestingly if you look at the Lord what the Lord Jesus says in John chapter 16 verse 1 and 4 12 you know he says these things I've spoken to you that you should not be made to stumble but these things I've told you was for where and when the time comes you may remember that I told you of them and then verse 12 he says these things I did not say to you at the beginning because I was with you I still have many things to say to you but you cannot bear them now okay so knowing understanding that the people need to grow to be able to receive solid food is is important and knowing that the congregation is growing spiritually growing it is you're taking them it's a line by line precept upon precept you know kind of a thing which happens in pastoral ministry okay okay some of these things we've already seen honoring leaders elders showing no partiality etc right okay be grateful because people are not an end to your agenda or your plan or your project people are volunteering their time people are coming forward to serve and maybe they are you know even they are as committed as staff and so on but being grateful and typically you know Timur Paul's example that's a whole of chapter 16 you know we refer to over and over again Romans chapter 16 where it lists the people and who are he acknowledges the people who have served alongside him right and the typically Priscilla Nakula he says my fellow workers in Christ Jesus who risked their own necks for my life to whom not only I give thanks but all the churches but all the churches of the Gentiles plus there is also we give thanks to God always for you all you know grateful to the Lord and also expressing that gratefulness that gratitude to the people right another thing to remember in pastoral ministry is that a pastoral ministry also would would involve you know like involves sorting out or solving people's difficulties and issues and maybe it involves a counseling kind of environment and a ministry okay so where people are called the pastor definitely to some extent would be involved in counseling so so when people come and share their personal issues difficulties some things of sensitive nature in and you know in being caught you know to keep things confidential in quick things confidential and in confidence you know those should not become prayer points you know shared as prayer points because some things are sensitive and some things are right shared in confidence so it needs to be kept confidential okay and not typically become a sermon illustration wow this is a good sermon illustration okay and not really you know make that public okay of course we looked at correction correcting people lovingly so that they come to know and also come to know what they're doing is wrong and also come somehow somehow be restored back okay it's it's a redemptive in nature every correction to have that perspective of it being redemptive okay okay right okay so this is this is good having a personal strategy for handling difficult situations you know so as you're journeying with God and you know working with people and different kinds of situations it's good to have a personal strategy for certain things you know practically like here the author pastor shares about how when it comes to you know certain things like like there you know needs to be discussion there needs to be meeting in person etc and certain other things it's it's not required so it doesn't require the time and effort and and so to have those things set in place and you you decide okay when it comes to correction when it comes to you know dealing with some things not to do over over a you know over a text or an email but to really have a conversation right because when it comes to a text or an email you can assume certain emotions you can say okay maybe you know it's uh this is how you know when for example Zacchaeus come down Lord Jesus you know says Zacchaeus come down so you can put some emotion into that right you can say Zacchaeus come down is angry Zacchaeus come down or hey Zacchaeus come down you know when you read into the text you can put that emotion so the same thing happens to a you know an SMS or a or a text message or an email so sometimes we might wrong read in the wrong emotion there right so it helps when it's something sensitive something of a corrective nature some difficult things it's better to have a conversation so one knows right what is the actual emotion of what is being shared okay so do not control do not manipulate we've seen that overcome personal insecurities you know this is for a spiritual leader this is something that's very very important um because because of personal insecurities this ends maybe because of uh I don't know it could come from a place of you know maybe you think that you're not really educated enough not skilled enough not gifted enough right not qualified enough or you know we look at certain flaws and we look at others who have it all together and and and that becomes a source of insecurity you know for us our identity significant self-worth everything you know not really drawn from Christ but from some other source then it becomes personal insecurity right so that will reflect in our in our in our leadership in our ministry to people and it's it's a cause for us to maybe even lord it over boss not be fun enough it is a fix right so it's important that we overcome those personal insecurities right because it involves meeting with people it involves constantly instructing people being with people and so on so it's important that we overcome this and and put our security and be secure in our significant self-worth and everything in Christ right and have that as the foundation okay certain other practical things are there which you can go through and this is with dealing with people okay not being offended not carrying unforgiveness and bitterness and so on and so it's it's really practical information very valuable okay flattery do not accept it do not give it and so on right so maybe you can just go through and the importance of raising leaders okay so let me just move on to another chapter which is chapter five let me just move on to that any questions on this that we have seen okay this is about conduct any other questions some we had some good questions some for practical nature okay so let's look at you know this aspect we have five more minutes let's look at this this thing of preaching right so so as a spiritual leader as a pastor you know there is this teaching there is this journey together with people and whom God has appointed us as spiritual leaders and bring to maturity and so on encouraging exerting inspiring right so the of course some of these things we've already seen in biblical preaching but the thing is you know it's it's not to entertain people it is to edify and establish people in God's word every time right the the message that is being preached right to establish people in God's word and the standard that we must maintain when it comes to God's word you know integrity reverence incorruptibility and sound speech that cannot be condemned Titus 2 the 7 8 saying in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works in doctrine showing integrity reverence incorruptibility sound speech that cannot be condemned that one who is an opponent may be ashamed having nothing evil to say of you okay so in the ministering you know it's good to keep this in mind always right that you are dealing with truth therefore communicate the truth right don't you know don't add to the truth or corrupt it with a lie even if it's a small one because that is not what we are called to do you know in doctrine showing integrity reverence respect deep respect now respect for respect for God and respect you know respect for people as well right because as the people of God they are they belong to God they're flock of God so we have respect for people as well incorruptibility meaning that you know it is you know nothing that is manipulated nothing that is mixed with error and also nothing that which is inauthentic you know something that we have followed ourselves and and then we teach right and whole some words right sound speech that cannot be condemned that's the last thing Paul tells him that Titus sound speech that cannot be condemned so you know words that are wholesome words that are it's you know people don't cringe when you listen you don't use words don't sound vulgar and in any way right so so that it's not blamed right the ministry is not blamed okay reach to impart not impress okay address difficult topics but do it with love okay so so here again because we're dealing with and journeying with people there will be you know difficult issues that may need to be addressed okay so people who are sincere people who are you know people who are sincere people who are dedicated but maybe you know there are certain things that need to be addressed maybe certain difficult things with regard to character with regard to you know one area in their life with which they are not you know they are not really taking care of maybe maybe something to do with family something to do with children maybe ignoring or shirking certain responsibilities and these need to be addressed as well and like we saw like we saw in first Timothy we see that the range of topics that Paul shares you know you and Paul addresses and he encourages Timothy to address as well right so so address those topics address those issues but do it from a place of love you know there are certain things which need to be you know commanded and there are certain things that need to be taught there are certain things that are reasoned with but do it from a place of love okay okay I think we looked at these in preaching you know giving it word and season etc okay maybe we'll just close with this stay current but avoid theological digressions you know we need to be relevant we need to speak the now word of God and we need to be aware of what the Lord is doing but in our midst but at the same time avoid you know digressing from the word right digressing from the the truth of God's word like we see some examples in Apollos you know Apollos was a person who was very strong he was very articulate but there are certain things that he did not know like he was really not really updated you know he was not staying current with the with the more of God right in like for example the baptism of the Holy Spirit and so on he he knew only of the baptism of John so we read it up read about it and then Achille and Priscilla they explained and he was humble enough to receive and we see that you know he is he taught the word they taught the word of God more accurately they made that alignment and he was a blessing like Paul refers to Apollos and and so on so you know stay current but in doing that also do not digress from the foundations do not digress from the theologically right from the word of God you know stay rightly divide the word of God Paul wants about that right we saw Hymenias phylates and and also John talks about many who have who do not even confess Jesus Christ is coming in the flesh and but they have you know they their their message is spreading they are you know sharing those messages okay so we'll stop here and yeah so we've been looking at the pastoral ministry and spending some time on it some practical things here as well yeah so next class we will continue with looking at some maybe you know watching some videos about pastors who some maybe some contemporary ones some who have gone on to be with the Lord and about their lives as well okay so we'll stop here and you have a great week ahead God bless thank you thank you yeah see you God bless