 Well, let's eat the breakfast and plus TV Africa and if you're joining thank you for joining us and also thank you for staying with us We have a Zika on your I took who joins us this morning for off the press is it girl Let's go to have you join us. Thanks for having me or to a con. You know, I really like that name It sounds like, you know, man who's actually going, you know, to battle with the song it's actually Decorated general like Ariana caca voice about the highest title you can be given within this part of the world I salute you. Well, it's good to have you on our show this morning. Let's start off with the punch On the punch newspaper a tickle lunches campaign books Agreed governor's boycott event. That's the board caption on the punch. It's quite different from what you would have yesterday Underneath Buhari government has failed Nigerian disarray federalism faulty. That's what the PDP candidates quoted to say, of course a large article about her But some persons have said beyond all of this The electorate need to ask the very vital question because I think we've been in that phase where people come out to say We're going to solve the problem So if it's electricity, we're going to solve it But the big bigger question should be how will it be solved? We're talking about the practical ways to solve the question or solve the problem. Why or Tom? Makin day it pairs who others won't campaign for the ex vice president That's what an eight is quoted to say Again, you have a PDP remains a strong party were campaigning to win governor Immanuel don't Emmanuel apparently is quoted on that this is right as you find underneath the boat caption But they're more interesting headlines another says states to get 750 million dollars World Bank loan in December and politicians may destroy Nigeria a former president to Lucia Gunobasan Joe raises the alarm. How would be the question? Obese supporters cannot gather leaky toll gates That's what the courts saying and some people have not the likes of you know, sure He's actually not you know supported this looking at his comment among all this some people prior to this time I've said that your B movements can be juxtaposed with that of the end sauce I really don't know, you know, the thought to be and all of that all thefts federal government probes Exploration production by IOC's and just before we move away from the punch Dream killers how South Africa's flawed visa process for straight Nigerians is another bold caption Not exactly bold, but is another header you find this morning on the punch and the PNID scam Cots revokes directors bill orders re-arrest Senate ticket Machina flaws Ahmed Lawan and six recon Sillation that's on the punch newspaper. It's really interesting We know we have some experts will try to explain the same scenario with me China and a Fabio Well, the nation is what we have next looking at the nation newspaper Riki Makin day or Tom Shawn articles campaign launch and that's really funny because contrary I mean prior to this time It felt like according to the reports that you know or Tom had all already cut ties with the likes of you know We cable really what could have been responsible. We're hoping that Our guests will have an answer Oh, go on you a puzzle and Southwest chieftain also absent neck members Alleges 28 million our offer to derail opposition party PDP flag bearer promises restructuring and good governance that a tickle A bubble car right there. Me China not lawan is your bear north central candidate court rule Obidachi 23 rally cannot hold a lecky tall gate That's what is quoted On the nation this morning and just before move away from the nation You also have D. C. O civilian killed in attack on or your police station Okay, do lute to federal government ams are to protect Undo residents My leadership will inspire nigeria to greater heights says bola I'm a tunable. Uh, that's the flag bearer of the all progressive congress Quoted on that one, but that's the much we can take on the nation Quickly before us. We have the daily trust newspaper On the daily trust race to presidency and out to rescue nigeria sounds like, you know Santa Claus has come to town quite early Tico's quoted to say I'm out to rescue nigeria. That's the race of presidency former vice president at tico abu worker There's uh attributed to that quote and we care marking day three PDP governors absent at campaign launch What does this mean for the PDP PDP remains strong despite doom says Okay, Udom Emmanuel has quoted on that 18 presidential candidate signed peace accord today Have you ever wondered why? Other time we signed the peace accord, but has that really translated to you know, real peace when we'll talk about a tangible piece that you know the Those who are vying. I mean this candidate would accept the outcome of the elections I pop kills five soldiers civilians in anambra and you've been enough Court rejects armoured law and recognizes me china and then pc orders to raise gas use So five million tons in three years and over 20 feet kill in cogit tanker explosion There's also another picture here Quite saddening, but i'm sure you want to find out what that's about Flood sacks 13 anambra community and renders many families homeless And despite federal government's caution a kere dolu insists on arming a motecum Flood and drought insecurity have affected us badly. This is what farmers are saying And that's the headlines on the daily trust this morning Now thanks to the paper vendor. We have the daily sun newspaper in front of us The daily sun says a tickle confidence of victory as apc moves to resolve campaign issues It's just not sure that this point everyone expects that all houses should put their acts together wiki allies shone pdp's PCC inauguration lp kicks off campaign in joss and You have another caption saying Stop threatening us with igbo president. Another in elders tell ohanese Some using a name thick and pan igbo body tells the nef another says cbn goes after states firms individuals to recover 9.3 trillion intervention loans Niger 62 NAF acts a buja resident not to panic over the aerial plane rehearsals well 2023 may make or may my nigeria. That's what former president oba sondra is quoted to say And muslim muslim ticket la long do gara trade tackles Government kill four soldiers one civilian in anambra and mother dco detainee, you know your police station attack Well, that's it this morning on the daily sun newspaper. Well, we quickly turn You know to our guests is it come? Yeah, I took who joins us this morning. Is it go? Thank you so much for being part of the show Thanks for having me always a pleasure right there Well, we set off with the court ruling or the court rule saying that obi dati 2023 rally cannot You know hold a lekkie tollgate I mean what what are your thoughts on this especially where you know the the lord the constitution talks about freedom of association And it also talks about the movement, you know, everyone has a right to move and own practice in any parts of the country Uh, my perspective is uh, actually a little different While while I think that um, everybody has right of movement But I think it is the place of the law to um, protect the system the society And I I would say this from a completely different perspective in the sense that, um I think that it to be suicide for for for my brother, um Peter will be to launch his campaign at the tollgate. Um, you know at the lekkie tollgate into a suicidal From what we we have seen in just And the way legos is I think that the federal government should Beg obese people to go to the national stadium as soon as they So that the crowd can be controlled so that there will be no collateral damages So for me my perspective is not so much whether they have a right or they don't have a right I want to look at it from the perspective of safety Because the crowd in that place is going to him going to be humongous And might be difficult to control So if I had my way, I would say they should please open the national stadium You know in soon larry for them to go there because that's probably one of the largest venues and that place will be packed full What what's happening? I I think that Those guys are out to make a statement and um I really think that is not the issue of fundamental rights But even that right of association has to be with respect to public safety and them There's a certain crowd that you want to move into a certain place and then government will be irresponsible If they did not do that, but they shouldn't get about it as per no you can't be there It should be more like, you know telling them, you know, I think that that place is not suitable for you I think that that place will be too small for you I think that you should consider a larger place and if such if they went About it that way And for any reason there was any um incidents that was untold or not too good Then the the the rally organizers will be held responsible and government would have become the hero But when you now try to say no, you can't do that. It's like you're trying to stop them out of Bad delay and that's not really good for government government should learn to be a little more strategic You can get what you want. Just look for a way of having that thing done Well, um, so I'd like to ask you also What premises is coming on? Because you have some people who have said that peter will be is A political movement that's similar to the hashtag answers and we understand that leagas was is an epicenter And you know the answers hashtag process if you're talking about the climax of it, uh, you know What's in leagas and leki to get cannot be left out of this So do you do you really agree with those who are saying that Peter will be is a political movement that's similar to the hashtag answers and if your answer is yes, then why? I'll tell you you see when I come here um, I try very hard to wear A different cup you would understand that I belong to a political party And that um, I have a presidential candidate But I also know that I'm not called here as a member of a party But somebody who is is expected to be Non-partisan in my analysis and somebody who is expected to be very very objective To that extent I I would like to reiterate what I said earlier We need to have thinking government. I believe that without even asking any questions I believe that the peter will be movement is akin to the end sound stuff. You can't take that out You can't take that out. There are too many things that are similar. You know, they don't ask you for money They are not waiting for the leaders to bring money. They are not mobilized by by the leadership I mean they just do their thing So I always say that Peter will be the the obedient movement is is not a person movement It's an ideology that the young people had crafted for themselves long before today And peter will be is lucky so to speak not just lucky He's had the antecedents to fit into that movement And I want to say that he's not actually the only presidential candidate that fits into that movement He's just the face of it. I believe that obedient movement is an ideology that applies You know to people who number one Are Careful to to know that government money is not personal money. That is obedient movement people who care about the masses That's the obedient movement People who are willing to do what will better the lot of the young people. That is the obedient movement I'll tell you this in akwae bomb state for instance You know I've been you know put in the obedient movement And I tried very hard to see to let them know that look I belong to a different political party And all they say is that sir is not about party is person There's a hashtag called person not party and that is the the the hashtag they are operating now That is becoming the Nigeria thing So they may be somebody in PDP in quara that fits into the obedient movement or somebody in agc in Adamawa That fits into the obedient movement. So the obedient movement is not a person But an ideology it's a vision and it takes its root from the answers movement So you really cannot Differentiate the answers from this movement It is within that context that I say that government should have been a little more forward thinking So that they try not to link the two because you know It is like a symbolism going to that like it all get it it's symbolic of that movement It's an animation, you know of that movement So what they should have done was to have come about it the the back door and say look You know this the way this thing is going and what the tragedy we had in that place Your crowd is likely to be so much and we the place is a little tight Please look for a place that is more open You know whatever so that if you like you can pay a visit to that place You know, which is your right with time bed for the launching of your campaign The crowd is not suitable and again, they could even have used civil societies to make that movement You know, we really have governments that don't think and it bothers me a lot If you are thinking government, you can get what you want. Just be a little wiser in your approach to it Because I mean from all of the things that you have said they sound really very nice And so one would be wondering why There's a stop to that if you look at those who protested The protests especially those who gathered the lekkitoge for the hashtag answers. These persons were not armed And so if you say that they should not stop at that point We know that the constitution is very explicit about You know our association everyone has a right to an association Unless or protests unless there are threats to national security And so if you have a group of persons who are saying we're only coming out to say We're trying to support, you know for a certain candidate Don't you think that that's some sort of restriction that a lot of people because this didn't just happen The court didn't just wake up to give that injunction Some persons came together Decided to approach the court and you know put out all of that And of course the court went ahead to give that particular order But because it's sounding like if the people the the people are a threat is like, you know Maybe they are armed or these are terrorists who who who actually plan to gather of course Terrorists can't even gather in that sense. But so what could it really mean? I mean how harmless or how harmful are these persons if they're designed that This is where we want to stay and have the protests that are not carrying arms The just the group of persons who are saying we're throwing our support for a certain candidate And they're out about don't you think that this is a violation of their human rights? In a democratic setting Yeah, one of the biggest problems that I have with the court today is that They are They are not They are they are almost becoming a threat to to to our our democratic system They are becoming a tool in the hands of of people rather than serve the people number one, it is our fundamental right To associate Wherever we wish Only to the end that like you rightly put The the the safety of the society is not at risk Number two, we all know that government is scared stiff of Allowing the obedient movement to to have that direct animation and correlation With the ensar's movement We all know that it's the same thing But you see they are afraid because the moment you create that nexus that link it it sends A shock wave across the whole nation It reverberates with the whole youth It kind of endorses the fact that this is a youth movement. This is our movement Government is scared Well, as Zickel yeah, I took uh, I'm not sure you can hear us. We seem to have a bit of a network issue And you know, that's uh very You know common with uh a network manager or apologize that you're not able to hear Zika and I take as soon as we're able to Connect with him and have him share his thoughts on the issue Then it will be fantastic and great. But in the meantime We're looking at the issue surrounding the the fact that the court has ruled or given a ruling as regard a certain group of peasants or peasants who have decided to support a certain candidate ahead of the 2023 elections And everyone has a right or freedom movement and one of you up until when you become a threat to national security And if if you say the peasants were a harmless, I really don't understand the rationale behind Those who are juxtaposing or comparing uh supporters of petal b or the petal b movement as some have tagged it to the hashtag answers But I guess has been able to identify the similarities This is a group of peasants were not bothered about many who were not concerned about whatever it is They're you know self-driven and it sounds like an interesting, you know fact or a thing For the Nigerian people, but this is what it is. And so it's it's quite worrisome Why would the court what are the premises? How did the you know, the judiciary or the court arrived at You know that ruling what were the factors that were conceded before saying hey This group of peasants cannot be allowed. They're not terrorists Uh, I don't know. I mean it's not like they're bearing arms. What exactly could be the issue Is it going? Yeah, I took if you can hear me. It will be great Unfortunately not. I can hear you loud and clear. Let me tell you this Yes, you see the oxygen of That political man over in Nigeria is money The so-called big parties have Have have believed in the use of money to rent crowd Right now some companies are starting to come up. I don't know if they will allow them to get registered The the the CRC the the crowd renting company, you know, just tell me I want 50,000 people and they will now tell this number of bosses They tell you the cost per bus the cost per person pay them and they deliver the crowd to you So the moment you bring this obedient movement you demystify that that that their stronghold Where people can now come out without asking for money. No shishi movement It is it it it it the government is scared stiff the people in power that think they have money They are scared stiff that a young person that a not so rich person will come up and That that movement will take them to power and then they will lose their hold on power You should understand that government is not is not happy They they're having sleepless nights They are thinking what else can we do and government always resorts to one thing and that is the use of force That force is either, you know, physical force or legal force and I really want to appeal to our courts To know that their symbol is a blinded eye And please They are the last hope of the common man. They should stop being used by the government Let this movement become the liberation of our people Where people have the freedom to choose who they want and not to be manipulated into poverty so that at the end of the day They can be bought cheap It's a movement that all of us subscribe to And it's a movement that I want to call on all Metrotic Nigerians to tell government hands off and let the youth and let the people be The no shishi movement Is a movement This reminds me of my grandmother. No shishi movement. Okay, quite interesting Let's turn our attention to the daily sun newspaper right here Now the daily sun amongst all the papers it talks about the opposition party major position party and we hear that There are some persons who were not parts. These persons are very critical And so the paper says that allies wiki allies shown the people's democratic parties presidential Council campaign inauguration of that particular campaign Do you think that this would actually mean anything the likes of wiki or tom? And whatever you're making they not being part of, you know, the inauguration Does this mean anything really? As you see, you know as a party man, you you were party. Yes I'll I'll tell you this and Nigerians need to wake up and smell the coffee Politicians or no loyalties. No allegiances whatsoever to the vehicle It is about their interest Vehicle is vehicle you get to the airport. You can go by bomb air You can go by mart airline. You can go by united You can go by any airline important things. I'm trying to leave abuja to go to Lagos So if you think, oh, he's so Petrotic and so bothered about these airlines and like politicians don't care about parties the people in pvp have looked at the crystal ball and They are their principal right now is not helping matters. I still can't understand why The the the mister tickle cannot have a three-man meeting I really can't not even a three a two-man meeting himself and the party chairman is like Guy, you know, this thing is getting out of hand. Please. Let's let's let's let's deal And then the next meeting is one on one himself and wiki And he says my brother and willing to make this concession is getting late in the day Please what do we do for him to call wiki's bluff? Is wiki reading the pendulum and seeing that the momentum is in two areas right now Right now in the next few weeks what they are doing is waiting to see the campaign start because there are some, you know Are giving you three circles First circle is a circle of pdppda apc, you know old people on Old vehicles the second circle is that of quankwasso and pitao b which is Old people in new vehicles. There's a third circle Which is that of new vehicles new people and that is sdp and then agc You know talking about uh adewale and then mister kachiku These six people are going to redefine the dynamics and what wiki them are looking at They are seeing a possibility of a runoff where one person might not win because each of them is going to get a Major bite chunk of what is going on. I can I belong to agc I've seen the game plan of that young man called minister Dume de kachiku and trust me in the next few weeks There's going to be a major tsunami in a certain direction. He's gonna have his crowd You can't rule out quankwasso. He's gonna have sdp. My brother adewale is gonna have so they are looking at You know a possibility and right now it should have been like the three horse race They have always said which is a pdp apc and labor the pdp is losing out Leaving apc and labor. So these guys are looking at when the new blocks the new kids come in Where will they where will the alignment still where will the momentum still, you know move? And they are seeing pdp losing out in this equation As a result, I think that attico has very tactfully worked himself out of reckoning That is my own very very honest opinion how it turns out in the coming weeks There's going to be a lot of changes a lot of dynamics as soon as the campaign starts by around november december We will know the major players that are on the block Well, uh, so you you you have said something about uh vehicle destination and politicians, so my question is I mean you you are in a certain vehicle. So why are you in that vehicle when you know that For every vehicle that you bought, you know the destination So why would you be in a certain vehicle when you know that your destination is not the same as that? And so where exactly are they going to really if if they are in the wrong, you know You're just in a vehicle that they know where the destination is but they know that that's not their destination So where where could they be going to the likes of wiki marking day and otom If they're really shown, you know the inauguration and that's a sign. So where exactly are they headed? They are heading to where they are in power in 2023. Where's that? Is there a place wherever we win? So they are watching, you know, we have six months the six months to election Let people not forget that it's not tomorrow. It's not next tomorrow. There's six months to election So people are doing their political calculation They are waiting to see because you see you can't really judge the momentum as it is You're going to give one month from the the start of campaign That's when we are going to see the programs of the people the projects of the people and how they resonate with the people For instance, I tell you a quite one for instance, you know, everybody knows about a pc Everybody knows about pdp. There's not much you can say now every attention is on a dc. What is he saying? What can be done? What is he saying? Where does it belong and people are watching even the old politicians are watching me They want to see as soon as campaign kicks off. They've been watching what I've been doing consultations They don't understand a lot of things because they are underground consultations is like, you know, more More subtle But when the campaign start then they will see the momentum how it builds Right now a lot of people are like waiting and watching They want to be in power come 2023. So they want to see where the pendulum is swinging As a result, whatever analysis we do now is going to be a almost a weekly update a weekly update Now if um article is able to quickly Get back to these people Bring them back build a momentum by the end of october The song will be different But if it continues to call their bluff and this will continue to look in other directions other possibilities It might come a little too late in the day When all of them can stay in pdp And that's the worst thing that there's a worst nightmare that um that article has If they left the party it would be easier for you to know what to do But they are there in the party. They are listening to you. They are getting your game plan What you should have come out early enough to start building with your people You are not able to come out because you're like, where does it belong and there's a time that It becomes time bad for you to execute your game plan because this by hearing you they are seeing you They are understanding you they are knowing you they are rating you And they can lift that whole thing, which is what is happening in aquaibone state A lot of the people remaining in the old parties are just waiting there. They don't belong there I'm a candidate so I can tell you where their heart is, but they are there inside there And at the dying minutes at the right time the damage would be done and they know where they are heading They know maybe about five or six of us. They know who we are They know all of us one by one and they know what they want at the fullness of time 2023 is going to be one of the biggest surprises in this country. Trust me So you probably be saying that they are detractors In this political parties Oh, that's what politics is about. Politics is not religion. Politics is about detractors. Politics is about conspiracies politics is about, you know of Not just reconciliation or betrayals. Politics is something that we really need to look into a little more That's why people outside do all this, you know analysis because they are being very rational They think that this is what should be But they don't know that they are dealing with people who don't care about rationalism. They are they are like their stomach Me myself and I that's unholy Maybe because we're moving away from this, you know issue now moving to another but just quickly But maybe this is this is actually the issue where People don't stand for anything if the loyalty is not to the party or the ideology They're right. And that's maybe that's what we're having all of this You know movement because I really don't understand the rationale of belonging to a certain party And all of your allegiance and whatever is to that party and then it's it's not that you want to be there Your heart is somewhere else. You're not going the same direction. So I don't leave I mean, but the option is so why haven't they left if that's the issue? Well, let's not talk about this now I know that we I know you want to but quickly for this want of time I'd like us to look at the statement of the former president of the federal republic of nigeria One that a lot of persons have said hey, uh, you know today We're having uh the cell phones because of his administration and what have you we're talking about luceguno basandro He says that politicians may destroy nigeria And that's more like hey, he's given a tip of what's going to happen. I had a 2023 election You have an idea what that means or what does this what could these really mean when he say Uh, the politicians may destroy nigeria I'll tell you what it is The people in politics today Are not people who care about a good amount. Let me not use the same brush because I'm in politics The generality of the people in politics today are merchants They're entrepreneurs. They are business people Who have seen that enterprise called government as extremely lucrative and has very high, you know returns on investment Now you are there Expecting a dog to bark or a cat to meow and that's not going to happen When we have more people of conscience come into politics people who care about this country when we kind of Find a way of removing too much money as as as what accrues to political office holders And make service the essence for seeking public office Then we'll have people who come in to serve you but right now we're having too many people inside there Who have nothing to do with service? That's why they can afford to pay you Nobody pays you to serve you anybody who pays you is an investment I'm sorry. We have to go now. I'm prompted that we really need to go for Some reasons beyond our control. Thank you so much for being part of the breakfast It's usually Insighting to listen to you talk about, you know, those issues and I wish you the very best Thank you so much and to everybody. Have a lovely day. All right, then Well, that's the size of a conversation on off the press with a zickel Yeah, I took who's uh, who's been a guest on the show I mean bringing all of that insight and perspective on the papers this morning We will take a break and when we return we'll be looking at a first major conversation right here. Please stay with us