 All right, we should be live now Let's see if anyone pops their head in we're going live copper tea Someone's got a cup of tea. Look at this. I can change color of the screen Now we're hell yellow Now we're white All right, is that too yellow? Whoops. No, that's too yellow That's your wife Together is gone. Hello everyone Facebook and YouTube What's up? What's up? Give me some Give me some non-vegan. Hey, can you hear me? Oh wait a sec You know what I forgot to put on my mic one audio interface stereo mic PC Mac Hello. Hello Okay Let's see if my mic is good settings audio H6. Okay, here we go What's up? Okay, yellow. I look with this light dude. That's weird. All right, give me some questions. What's up 280 people in the stream? Pog a stream, I don't know that means hi Joey. Hi Nick. Hey go on Nick. Good to see good to hear from you Mikey Davis sup The reason I'm sideways is because my camera sideways, but I can't put it over my computer there Ian Kavi Thanks for making me vegan. No worries. Koya. Thank you for Doing your thing for the animals Matt. What's up? Kayla All right, let's rock and roll. Where's my what do you got questions or something? Hey, Joey, I like your opinion your opinion on the bloke that died from the pig heart rejection My opinion I haven't really seen it I first of all want to say I'm very sorry to hear someone has died Secondly, I don't think we should be exploiting animals to use their their organs Let's give Connor some airtime. Hey Connor mate. Hey, go on buddy, mate Aren't you a hero? Connor I can see a little profile picture there mate. You look like you're my hero, buddy Fuck animals. I hope we eat them all. Wow, dude. You are you are so crazy and tough Wow, everyone stand back in glory at Connor's comment here. How cool edgy Tough corner really is You really hate animals do you mate that much that you hope we eat them all? So I guess you you wouldn't care if we tortured dogs and ate them too because they're animals What about the last endangered white rhinoceros? Should we eat them? What about humans are actually animals? So should we eat them too? I don't know. I think Connor just wants some attention. We'll give it some there you go Connor There's your there's your little five minutes of fame mate. I hope you enjoy Live at 3 a.m. In the morning No, mate. No sub brain. It's actually a 7 30 p.m Yeah, how am I not too bad a bit Work been working quite hard lately actually. So thank you for asking no and Yeah, working on big projects. So it's taken up a lot of my time. I actually you know seeing as there's 360 Homies and homemets and home days in here. I thought I'd just let you know as I was about to go live Into a like a new studio to have a debate, but it seems like they pulled out last second I don't know why they pulled out. They said they had a breaking news story. So they couldn't have me on They had to shorten the segment. I don't really know about that I I've got sneaking suspicion that the opponent might have known it might have been me, but that's just Speculation Okay So Evan says hi Joey, do you think working for a non-vegan restaurant is vegan is vegan? Veganism is to just look up the definition of vegan and think and just think to yourself am I Causing the exploitation and cruelty to animals The answer to that would be no, you're not actually causing the exploitation and cruelty to animals You are working at a business if you were to go behind the counter and If you were going to purchase the Exploited bodies of those animals creating that demand Then my answer would be different. You would be not vegan, but because you're just Working at a non-vegan restaurant. I don't think that you're causing the exploitation and cruelty to animals to happen Yeah, that's my answer You're just basically a cog in the machine I mean, there are there are certain jobs where I would say that you are helping to facilitate cruelty to animals like for example Helping a slaughterhouse become more efficient or something like this, you know but I don't think just working in a non-vegan restaurant like when they can just employ someone to do your exact job Is the same or is causing it exploitation is causing that supply chain to incentivize More exploitation and cruelty. I just don't think that's case You have white skin What's I'm gonna say you have white skin you have a European ancestry that would make you technically of white race. I don't know Is that to me? God, I don't even know why I clicked on that. What are you talking about like when did Is that? Is that a debate or something? Hi Joey, thanks for all your Is that because when I was playing with the light maybe when I was saying look a yellow my faces look out What my face is when I was doing that? I don't know. That's weird. That's a weird comment Okay, keep going What's going on let me find a question that I can understand Ben asked what's my view on lab Cultivated meats. Thanks for your question Ben really appreciate that. It's not like it's the four millionth Time I've heard that question in the last seven years, but I'll answer it just for you Yeah, but depends on um So basically my view on cultivated meat and dairy is that it's principally a very good thing But There's a caveat to that as long as they are not mass breeding animals to use them for cells as long as they're not using animal inputs like Fetal car like bovine fetal serum, which is just Calf serum from calves, you know blood from calves Provided they're using plant inputs and you know, no animal inputs other than the cell. I think it's a very good thing. I think it's um Would would help a lot of animals So basically what I've seen I know there's a company called super meat who are doing this super meat in Israel And they were taking a cell one cell from a chicken So like let's just say a chicken's feather falls off they take the cell They put it in a medium and they grow an infinite amount of chicken flesh from that one. So I think if anyone was to oppose that Considering it could quite possibly end the mass murder and torture of chickens I don't think that they're actually thinking logically if they oppose that I definitely support it if as long as they're not Causing a bunch of suffering and harm To animals which from what I've seen it's not the case, but not all lab grown meat is equal some use animal inputs Hi Joey from East Yorkshire. Okay. Let's just put you up here. Hi Patricia. What's up? Hi Joey from East Yorkshire United Kingdom worried about the horse racing season just started with cruelty. Thanks for making me vegan Wow, I think no worries Patricia. I'm glad that you're vegan horse racing horse racing. Sorry season has started Wow, I don't know I didn't know about that And if anyone's wondering why the hell horse racing is cruel It's cruel and exploitative and not vegan actually There's a few reasons for it One is that they're mass breeding purebred horses In order to use them for racing the horses that are not good enough to race they Go to the knackery and if you don't know what a knackery is it's where they kill horses for their meat And they import export that meat or use it for pet food Also, what happens is retired horses often get shot in the head At the knackery and no matter what they tell you in the racing industry like are they retired and like they go to some sanctuary or something nonsense In many cases they are actually shot in the head and turned into Pet food or their flesh is exported So yeah, it's just this mass breeding which is not vegan to just breed animals for our purpose using animals for entertainment You know often horses get injured you know, it's it's They're basically exploiting these animals for human gain and and that's Why it's not vegan, but yeah, I didn't know that the season was coming Okay So Julia Julie says hi Joey. I've learned so much. Thank you for my eyes. I you I think you were already like So what happens is you you were ready to hear a certain message and you were ready to take it on and You were open to the message. I think that that's what has to happen So I can be a messenger And I can talk to ten people none of them are really ready to listen But that one of them might be you know what I mean, and it's more usually when you've got a message It's a lot to do with whether or not The person is ready to receive the message. So I'm glad you're vegan So Let's keep going what's your questions? Um Let's rock and roll Someone says the victims perspective says I think I know about you the victims perspective, but you do activism I think I've seen someone share your stuff before if you are an activist Thank you for your work when's the last time took some time off like a holiday. Hope you have some good self-care routine Joey, I should have a self-care routine at the moment. I don't have a self-care routine try I try to Am I looking a bit myself a little bit brighter got this here alters the color Yeah, like at the moment working really super hard on something. I don't really They really need that much self-care really like I think Having a predominantly healthy diet is good. I do fruits veggie juices green juices. I Try to get enough sleep, which doesn't always happen actually I find For me to have a good mental health for me, I have to be focusing on something to to help and What's happening to animals? If I don't actually if I had too much time off, especially when I'm supposed to be working I I end up feeling worse actually. I feel guilty. I feel like I'm not Living my life's purpose things like this. So yeah, I do think like I do have time off like so basically around 6 7 p.m. I chill out just chill out watch whatever mindless stuff Sometimes I'm watching just different topics. I like looking delving into like politics the state of the world I like looking at just Interesting things that are not to do with animal rights Just to give myself a mental break and I do that every night nearly, you know Sometimes I don't sometimes I'm actually working to like 10 11 12 Sometimes I'm up at 3 a.m. In a farm sometimes it's just all depends Sometimes I get out get up after being at a farm to 5 a.m. Get up at like 8 a.m. And start editing Some sometimes it's so crazy. Sometimes I'm traveling all the way. It just depends. It's peaks. It's valleys I always prefer to be working on something like right now have an upload on social media for a while Properly consistently and that's because I'm actually working on super big project in the background Which is kind of like I have to put my effort into that So it always makes me feel like I'm not doing what I should enough that I should be doing even just because I'm not uploading on social media, but I'm actually hard at work as out. Yeah, so But yeah, I think having a holiday that was covered for a couple of years So I think like maybe getting away, but to a different country where there's sunshine would be Probably something I'm really looking forward to actually Yeah, so thanks for asking Elizabeth Laura says what do you tell yourself on days? You feel like the rest of the world won't wake up in time I think you should operate under the Expectation that the world won't wake up in time anyway because I think if you have that Obviously don't want to demotivate yourself But you should ask yourself like if it were true that the world wouldn't wake up in time Would you still be doing what you're doing and the answer is yes, of course I do honestly believe that if we all work hard enough we can make massive changes and that has been true from the last Five to seven six. What has it been now nearly seven years? I've been online I've seen a huge changes across the world when it comes to the vegan movement Especially here in the UK, but all across the world Australia America everywhere activists working You know with social media has been huge So like that is a huge motivation see different changes happening all the time and that's because of activists but I just think Sometimes I'm just like well it might be that we can do all this work and it's not enough But you would I would still be doing it. So I think To not get too overwhelmed, right? You should just take Each day as it comes each project as it comes and don't try to look at like when you're doing a marathon, right? You don't look at well when I'm doing a marathon like when I was doing two and a half marathons in one run When I was doing my hundred K run. I didn't go. Oh my god. Like I'm a marathon in I've got two and a half Marathons to go before I get to a hundred kilometers. I didn't look at it like that What I was doing is breaking it up into like smaller amounts. I would be like, okay. Oh like especially when I got to the last I Don't know 40 kilometers or something like this. I started breaking it up into five kilometer chunks You know, and I just think like if you just take it day by day You know Project by project mission by mission it's much better than just looking at the whole bigger picture Because if you keep doing that day by day by day by day thing, you'll be able to look back one day and be like, wow Look how much I did but you were just like when when I'm most effective is when I'm living in the moment 100% when I'm living in the moment I'm just thinking about what I can do right now instead of like Long-term goals and shit, but that's I don't really work that well like that I'm just like what can I do right now and I think that's a good question to ask yourself as an activist Not everyone's an activist though. Some people are just chillin in the stream. So Let's keep rockin and rollin Hey, Joey, mine of my wife's one year anniversary vegan anniversary is in a couple of weeks You were the one that got the ball rolling for us. Thank you amazing my left foot And I hope your right foot is doing well too, which is your wife and So let's rock and roll how How how many oh my god, how many questions are there? I'm way away from all the recent questions God, there's a million. How many are coming through? Am I at the end of it? Dear Lord have mercy. I'll scroll to the end of the questions and there's a million I'm gonna. Sorry if you want your question answered And it's really important try to re-ask it because there's a there's a million comments here um Do do do do do you ever? Josh Elgram asks do you have a day job or is this your main job? If so, what did you do for a living before good question, Josh? And I'm glad that you know you asked a nice question instead of sometimes I get some really really insulting Comments, but yours is right. It's just a good normal polite question My main job before so yes, this is to answer your question I'm a full-time activist and I have been since 2017 before that I was working as a So so let me give you a little bit of backstory. So I went to prison In 2013 and I was released. So I went to prison in May 2013 I was released from prison in about May Five months later five or six months later and when I got out of prison. I started working as a Lackie what we call it like a someone who does likes spare jobs around a concrete site So I was my mate I had a concrete in business and I was just doing the sort of some Manual labor like that and I went from concreting when I got released From house arrest once again. I went from concreting. I went to being a bricklayer, but I wasn't like a Qualified bricklayer. I was again a like a right-hand man and I was doing all the stacking of the bricks mixing of the concrete Spreading I was I've spread the the mud on the bricks for my mate and he'd come through and tap the bricks in I would You know, it was a very very Drooling work. It was hard physical labor 40 hours a week. I was on incredibly low pay So I was on about a 250 pounds a week 40 hour week working in the sun You know, so yeah, I did that for a year then I realized that I was using a lot of my energy Out on a on a construction site when I had so much to give had so much Like I felt like all the time went into inspire people all the time and I felt like God, I'm using all my time out here Gonna construct all my yeah I was just full of life when I got out of prison and I stopped drugs I was sober. I just wanted to to help people at that point and um Yeah, just I told my mate. I was like, bro. Like I'm sorry, man. I just gotta gotta stop this Work man. I can't do it anymore. And then I thought to myself. I'm gonna attract a job that gives me enough time to do the work that I want to do for the world and the animals and I get enough money You know and I can do my stuff my other my passions on the side It was about two weeks later. No jokes. No joke. My mate comes up to me He's like, what's going on, bro? And I'm like, oh enough of much quit my job. It's like, you should be a traffic controller, bro Can't go go to be a traffic controller. You get paid hell cash and it's really cushy. So then I was like, all right So I went I had my traffic ticket uh traffic control ticket from I got it a year before or something and I was all right, so I went and uh Got a job as a traffic controller I worked three days a week and I was getting paid more money working three days a week as a traffic controller doing less work No physical labor just setting up signs Controlling traffic. I could be on my phone in the car just waiting texting and Making posts about veganism and things like that. I'm filming my youtube videos getting my youtube channel started with my phone So yeah, and I could edit on the days off and I could do all the things I wanted to do On the four days off and I was three days on four days off and that's how I got my youtube channel started um as a traffic controller and then from that point on I um I went to the UK did a speech at the uk vegan camp out and I did a lot of uh activism over there I was doing speeches doing activism workshops here and there um and I actually realized that I got more achieved in that two two weeks in the uk than I had done in the year before just splitting my time and energy and I had a friend that was on uh patreon and he's like you should get on patreon and then Another friend of mine said like because I felt guilty about receiving donations actually um I felt guilty about receiving donations. I was like, you know, I can do this and earn my own money But I'm just going to have to split uh Split my time and energy mental energy 50 50 into work 50 50 into the animals And then someone said to me actually they said, you know, you're more concerned with your ego That won't let you accept money and you're worried about um your pride or something like this And you're willing to sacrifice 50% of your time that the animals would otherwise get in order to um Not feel that discomfort of receiving money for what you do And they said essentially you're choosing your ego over the animals and I was like, you know what that's actually That's actually a very interesting way of thinking of it. So and and then I was like, you know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna start a patreon started a patreon account the next day or something like this And uh, I got an incredible amount of support straight away and I was able to quit my job straight away I quit my job immediately said look, I'm gonna be a full-time activist You know and that was it and from that point on I have absolutely grinded myself mentally physically into the ground. Um Uh consistently every single day that I that I could you know, um Yeah, and that was how it all started. So thanks for that question Josh now, you know Um, let's keep rocking and rolling I'm not sure if that's a serious question. I'm gonna try to find What else we got? um I've already answered one from you Cornelius says does joey have joined us? Well, that's very interesting Cornelius because you know If I just do this I'm no longer I'm no longer yellow. Am I brah? You know, look, I can just change the lighting You know what I mean? Oh, wow. Look now. I've got jaundice Cornelius. Oh, wow. You're so wow. I'm dying from the vegan Look, oh my god. I'm dying from the vegan lifestyle. Oh, look I'm eating berries and oats and fruits and you know, oh tofu's making me go jaundice I wait now. I'm okay. What's going on now now on pale. Oh, no like wait. Let's go now on pale. Look my diet is Anyways Get a picture just lighting mate um So, uh, how do I hide the current comment? There we go Uh, so brang, I've already answered you but you got an interesting comment here I said, how do I stay consistent when I feel like I wanted to eat meat eat vegan meat my friend and watch dominion? That's my uh, that was my advice to you watch dominion see what the animals are going through and eat vegan Burgers and vegan meats. Uh, that's what I do and actually I would never eat animals Uh ever again actually, but uh, I don't miss out on chicken Texture because there's vegan chicken and there's vegan burgers and there's vegan this and that So I think you should just look at what the animals go through sit there and force yourself to watch dominion Um, and then you're going to be able to understand exactly what you're craving and it's really really quite disgusting Matthew Hurtigan says are you happy? That's a very very deep question. Matthew. Um You know, I honestly think that happiness is Completely based on perspective All right, and and contrast like if you when when I first, um Got released from prison and got sober and left gangs and things like this I was living my life with new eyes like I never lived a sober life a lot sober life for more than You know for 12 years. Basically. I was always on some type of substance So I live I got out of prison like a lot of my friends, uh Didn't I did I survived to that world and uh survived my drug addiction this and that And I was like, oh my god, like I was so Grateful for every second at that point. Oh my god, you know, I still had trauma and all this but I was so grateful and the longer and longer that I have been Away from that moment The more Monday mundane things start to set in do you know what I mean? You start you start to lose that gratitude and that perspective Now now now it's like just normal for me to be sober It's actually normal for me to Have like these amazing platforms that I can use to help the animals. It's normal for me to Put up content that makes an impact. It's normal for me to um Be living my purpose and working in a job that matters a lot to me so I think um It always should be um Careful of perspective like could be worse. It wasn't once was worse and you know, I'm glad I've got this opportunity things like that I don't think anyone is always happy I don't think that that's uh possible A lot of things um Make people sad actually or depressed or feel like they're not good enough have anxiety become self-conscious You know I have a lot of self-doubt often that feel like am I really like That good at stuff, you know, am I really a good advocate? Am I really That intelligent do I really? You know, so yeah, I do get down and Like like sometimes I'm like, am I really doing anything like making an impact? so Yeah, but then some days I'm just like my god right on top of the world right now Let's do this like take on the world like I will take on the world right now I will head but the world in the face, you know, and uh, so it's just it just depends on How you're feeling and what waves you're riding at the time But what I will say is like I do get down on the dumps a little bit here and now and I do Do a little bit of self-care like and a lot of it's to do with like diet and sleep and things like that Having a nice fresh green juice and you know getting out fresh air nature things like this But I will say that you are going to most people are going to wide ride these waves Where they're going to be like really down on some days and it can be last sometimes for a week or two Or they're going to be really high and ecstatic you know, so I think it's good to feel just content and when you're feeling content you should be grateful for that moment because Yeah, so it's not always the case, but I would just say like to hold on through those Those days where you're feeling a bit down because you it won't last actually that long especially if you You're mindful of it and you do some things to sort of correct how you're feeling and um Yeah, take a step back and have good perspective actually But yeah, it's over that long drawn out question because it's like quite complex because no one is always happy. I don't think Especially when you look at the state of the world the state of the animals You know, and it's it's a lot. It's very overwhelming to exist actually in the world and because of the the media the responsibility the You know, it's a lot worse for others than it is for for some people than it is for others. I don't know that But yeah, it's a really tough thing because uh Some people are content in some ways but not in other ways, you know what I mean and um So yeah Get off that question actually Trying to be trying to philosophize my way out of that actually, but yeah, it's a very complex interesting question Declan says have you ever been on a hunt sub joey? I have I have been on a hunt sub once and I've got to say Much respect to the hunt subs who are from what I've seen predominantly women who are just so courageous um, it was very It's quite dangerous actually It's quite gut gutsy to do those hunt hunt subs takes a lot of bravery and um Yeah, because a lot of these hunters they're Not very good people. I'll tell you right now. Um They are chasing down like foxes and You know trying to kill them with their hounds that are just riding around on their horses terrorizing animals. Uh, so yeah, I have been on a sab once and uh It was an experience. That's for sure. I just felt like my um What I do well is uh mass advocacy and that's where I have my impact Um, but yeah, I respect highly the hunt subs Someone says hey, thanks for what you're doing for the animals question How can we support your channel and what you do the best way would be either to go to my support my work link in the bottom of my videos Uh, and uh, there's there's two ways. Uh, there's patreon or there's donor box and uh, all those donations they go into my um Uh account that that helps to support our entire team actually so um Yeah, and it supports all the work we do everything we're working on and um, yeah, so it's it's actually We're really grateful for any help we can get because it means we can do more and we don't have to to worry about um Whether or not we can achieve our goals. So thank you Who's your favorite idol? You know, I don't actually think you should have idols personally I think you should have a I don't think you should idolize anyone To be honest with you like oh my god. They're like They're an idol to me that there's nothing they can do wrong Isn't that but uh, I will say inspirations like now Or when I first start when I first started like my being an animal rights activist Actually, which is what I'm most known for Is um was gary rofsky 100 there was no one out there like him The way spoke obviously gary wasn't perfect and whenever I talk about gary. I do get a little bit emotional because um You know Yeah, really respect gary really respect the work. He did and he retired and he gave it He gave it his all basically and he was coming up against A lot of backlash and some of it was his doing But he's he meant I just seen that he meant well, you know and uh So that would have been at the start gary nowadays like Nowadays At one stage it was david goggins that mental strength kind of Crazy like he got me running and stuff like this if you haven't found seeing david goggins if you're Yeah, if you if you want mental toughness go to david goggins um I'm inspired by different people in the movement actually who And it's not really what they do that inspires me It's their work ethic that inspires me um It's their consistency And their relentlessness. It's not like oh my god. They did this great thing It's oh my god. Do you know how much work it would have taken them to do that thing? Like I know that's a that's a tough tough gig So there's people in the movement that especially the long term is like uh juliette You got like alex hershaft who's like been an activist for like 40 years Um You know the long term is And there's a few investigators that have been like doing this stuff for like 30 years and that like I've actually got few on my team that are like long long term activists and that inspires me because that's like wow You've been doing this forever and you're still doing it like God's like that takes that's that's that's inspiring to me And there's actually investigators that no one actually will know about who do some Gutsy stuff who are really responsible for like a lot of this stuff coming out to light and uh, They anonymous for good reason, but they are so inspiring um But yeah, I hope that answered your question Let's go. We've got a million little comments here. I've got 330 people in here Um Angela has a question honest question here is grass-fed beef okay to eat open range So I think what you're saying like open range free range kind of but uh grass-fed beef Well, what I will say is no it's not okay to eat because It is actually that grass-fed beef was torn from the body of an individual who didn't want to die and they were Bolt gunned in the skull Against their will in a knockbox in a blood-filled slaughterhouse um And I think that that's a great injustice and I don't think that they deserve it And I think that the animals life matters to them and we should respect their existence um The sad thing is is we're breeding these animals into existence. Um, and I don't necessarily Care that they're on a free range enough For it to justify them being killed Like that the fact that they're on Pasture does not justify them getting shot in the head and their head cut off um So the answer to that is like would you like to be in the position Of that cow When their final days come Could you imagine walking into a blood-filled slaughterhouse? You know seeing chopped up animals around you I've seen cows struggle in those places for their lives beg for their lives And they just got shot in the head So, yeah, that would be that would be my question to you. Um, if you're dog You got you got your dog here on the um on your facebook profile picture angela imagine if your dog Was open range Which they probably are they get range of outside take full walks and that Would you accept them being bolt gunned in the head? Probably not I'm gonna say so yeah, we should we should extend that same Compassion to the the cows Let's go Almost vegan for two. Whoa. Here we go. Okay. Koya says almost vegan for two years now. Thanks to you epic That's what I'd like to hear Koya I just drank a liter of chocolate soy milk sent help Yum lots of calcium Um soy is actually a really healthy food Um Benjamin boom asked me what would you focus on if everyone was vegan? You have an amazing focus. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks, Benjamin Benjamin boom. I like your last name boom Is that your real last name bro? Because that is whoever named you They were Onto something. Uh, what would I focus on if everyone was vegan? If everyone was vegan and didn't participate in the exploitation and cruelty to animals I would probably focus on helping people Actually, so if they aren't or and if there are any more animals to help just because people aren't vegan Maybe it would be wild animals. Um, who are suffering in the wild who need help Yeah, so I would still probably Use my time to help vulnerable children or animals. Um, I would Probably do investigative work To expose Child abusers I would really You know, I think uh That the vulnerable should be protected in society. Um And if the animals didn't need help, I think wild animals could still use some help. Um, you know, but uh, it would be Investigating child abusers and bringing them to justice Yeah, something like this just vulnerable helping the vulnerable would be my thing. Um Animals are most vulnerable and they need to help the most right now, but if that if they didn't need that anymore, I would uh Help vulnerable people or children something like this Keep going Michael super backer says how joey. Love all your activism work. You do so cool to see you on the live stream No worries, Michael. Um, any tips for staying on the vegan path? My girlfriend isn't vegan I'd love her to try it for at least one month. Um Any tips for you to stay on the vegan path? Number one tip would be to watch dominion Um, the movie back to front watch it. Uh, watch what the animals go through um Step two would be get involved with a little bit of activism because I get involved with some activism groups Find some uh local activist groups So get get start mixing with people who share your values. Um, that would be a good tip Just going to plug in my computer So it doesn't go flat Is that gonna is that working? Oh, yes Um, yeah, so then you've you got your social setting You've got people in social setting who have the same values as you and you know exactly what's going on to the animals And you remind you you actually remind yourself about what's going on to the animals, which is important Now I would also say utilize apps like um happy cow for Practical reasons so that when you're out, you don't have to worry about where to find Vegan restaurants or places to eat vegan options happy cow For your partner, I would ask her to click the link in my bio On instagram or just in my underneath my videos To sign up to challenge 22 and do the 22 day vegan challenge Uh, it's 22 days because it helps you rebuild rebuild a new habit and while she's doing the challenge actually um encourage her and show her some Show show her some stuff about what goes on with the animals. I think uh, if you both watch dominion together, that would be good um But while she's not eating the animal products I would Use that time to like watch some documentaries and get get get her clued up on what's going on um Yeah Okay, let's do david. Let's go so david we Quinones Why do vegans shape some of their food to look exactly like the very murder? They say they are against seems like a severe mental illness um I'm not sure why you would think that it's seen that seems like a mental illness It seems like you're downplaying mental illnesses here like I mean do you always? tokenize Mental illnesses to make your point. Yeah So it seems like you're uh I don't know like Why would you think that? Is a form of mental illness? shaping plants into burgers like Anyways, um, so let's just analyze your comment here david David mr. David likes to co-opt mental illnesses to make his point. Um So vegans shape some of their food to look exactly like very murder. It doesn't look like murder. You tripper. What are you tripping? Do you acid tripping? It doesn't look like murder. It looks like a patty So when you get plants and you turn it into a patty, does that look like murder to you? No When you go into a slaughterhouse and you see a cow be decapitated that looks like murder, doesn't it? Then what they do is they take the flesh of that animal from their lifeless body And they mince it so that into these into nothing little little little mince and then they make into these little patties So my question to you david would be why do you make the animals look like food Change them change a chicken. You know a chicken is a bird They are decapitated plucked gutted Minced and turned into chicken nuggets. Now if you look at a chicken nugget, does that look like food? Or an animal Looks like food to me. So they turn you're turning an animal You're taking it so far away from what it originally was what they originally were which is a living breathing feeling being And turning it into like a breaded food item, right? So when you take like a vegan product So soya or whatever and you turn it into a vegan nugget Have you really shaped it to look like murder? Have you really you've actually shaped it to look like a breaded food product um So anyways, uh, obviously Those foods Are there so that people have An alternative to animals being factory farmed and stabbed to death or gas chambered in horrible, uh slaughterhouses Right, a lot of people want to have a burger Don't they they don't want a cow to be stabbed in the throat for it I don't know about you David But uh, you probably prefer a cow to be stabbed in the throat so you can have I don't know burger I don't I actually prefer them to Not be stabbed in the throat and still have a burger. Why not because why not because who's getting harmed from that? Who's getting harmed from that? what what I would say right is like what's closer to a mental illness right or psychopathy um or Like to be a sociopath to not have empathy would be that Having the belief that animals can go through literal hell And be shot in the head and be decapitated just so you can have a sandwich that sounds crazy to me That sounds a lot more crazy than uh shaping some soya um into a burger done it Anyways, mate, um if you want to come on live right now To debate that just email us at joeycarbstrong at gmail And uh, you can jump on here and tell me why you think vegans have a mental illness for trying to Stop one animal suffering to the exploitation and killing of animals and uh Just trying to make the word a better place you can explain to me why you think that's mental illness Uh, just keep going Let's keep going. What do we got in here? God, there's so many comments here. I'm gonna go to the new comments. Sorry about everyone's if I missed your comments I'm just trying to um but yeah um Well, he's welcome to come on if he wants to email joeycarbstrong at gmail sending the link uh to come on this live stream I'm happy to hear why he thinks uh animal agriculture is justified considering how messed up it is um So I'm looking for another comment to look to respond to If considered, okay, let me just uh There's a lot of uh support here Okay, so here we go. Do you reckon this is really david? david Queen queen owns on facebook Uh, because he's publicly saying that vegans should all be destroyed The human beings basically that practice are not exploiting or being cruel to animals Should all be destroyed in david queen knowns opinion I don't know that sounds like you're advocating for mass murder of people What do you mean by destroyed? Do you mean like? I don't know in some sort of Mass murder kind of way. Is that what you're saying dude? And you just said that Vegans you think vegans have a mental illness for making soya into patties And you're saying this like Anyways, mate, you can say whatever you want publicly, dude. It's a reflection of you not me Um, what else we got going here? Hey chris Chris says hey damn quinoa is triggered His name's even he's even named after a vegan food. Hey chris That's crazy. Imagine hating vegans so much and being named after a vegan food You should be more angry at your parents. They probably parents probably vegans trying to troll you I watch this he's gonna he's an anti-vegan, but we should change his name to quinoa That'll get him Every time he signs his name He's gonna be so triggered Okay, so let's keep going guys All 350 guys and guys is like I'm trying to be gender gender neutral when I say guys is that gender neutral Um, so I'm trying to encompass everyone without You know, I don't like to say I just like to keep it as inclusive as possible Uh Someone says would you be making an update video about tinsel the turkey? Um, tinsel is in a secret location I would love to meet catch up back with tinsel again But because of the nature of what I've been doing. Um, I didn't really want to Connect myself back with tinsel because tinsel's like a fugitive at the moment. Um But yeah, I would love to go see tinsel miss tinsel a lot think about tinsel all the time Yeah tinsel is with In a secret place with other animals actually so Um, but yes This is an interesting one seashell goodman says and this is a you know, you're not the first person type To actually ask this question Um, a lot of people do ask this question my opinion on it, um because uh Technically just wearing old leather shoes doesn't cause any real tangible measurable harm But I would say like if you If you believe animals should not be treated as commodities and products and should not be exploited and treated cruelly and are a vegan Then Your your to wear the skin That was torn off of the corpse of an animal who was killed against their will Is not consistent with your belief about animals um So I would say that you look like an incredible hypocrite and you look like that what it what it looks like And what it would feel like to me if I had leather on my Shoes or whatever is that I think animals are objects Is that I think they are shoes and I think that it's okay to wear their skin You know And uh, I don't I don't actually think they're objects or should be shoes and I wouldn't wear this want to wear their skin um If it was a dog that was killed against their will if it was a human being that was killed and skinned I wouldn't say well, I'm trying to wear out these old leather human leather shoes. I would say well, that's an atrocity. I didn't know um that You know I learned actually that humans shouldn't be executed and turned into shoes and I wouldn't want to as a human rights activist walk around with human skin shoes So yeah, so that's my position on it like you're not you're not really in scent causing animals to be Butchered and tortured when you're wearing them. But what you are doing is you're kind of normalizing the idea that animals are Garments or that their skin that was torn from that just think about leather is skin That was torn from a murder victim um Yeah, it's not a really good look. I don't think it's it's inconsistent with um Yeah, veganism So let's keep going Uh patty patty mccann has got a genuine question here If if nobody ate Livestock in the uk, wouldn't we have to bring back bring back wolves to contain the numbers? Uh, no, how would we control numbers of livestock? Surely we'd have to bring back predators joey I myself have been veggie for eight months. I love your work. Just just wondering about controlling numbers. Thanks No, no worries patty. Thanks for the questions. Good question. Um, and a lot of people like actually don't consider this but um The reason that there are so many animals in the uk actually Um a billion being slaughtered each year and across the world actually the reason there is over 80 billion land animals being slaughtered It's not because the numbers aren't being controlled. But it's because I'm going to remove your comments so that I can just say this without there being the big thing in my face It's not because like the numbers aren't being controlled and there's breeding out of control. It's because they're being forced bred um In big breeding facilities You know, so dairy cows are being forced bred Uh chickens are being forced bred. Uh, they are uh egg layers are being forced bred um Sheep are being put in a situation where they can Be multiplied through breeding programs. Um through selected breeding programs, etc Um, so farmers are increasing unnaturally increasing the numbers of livestock And what they're also doing is they're deforesting land everywhere To make way for more livestock, right? And then they're growing grain to feed those livestock So like if people think that there's going to be this unnatural amount of livestock, right just breeding more more than um the then um Then their natural circumstance or environment will allow them to just doesn't happen just doesn't happen it's human into it's it's Overpopulation is human caused anyway. Um, it's when we create disharmony in in the environment, but what would happen is we would As more and more people go vegan we would stop breeding so many animals into existence and by the time, um Animal agriculture was slowly phased out because they would they always phase things either in or out Especially massive changes like animal agriculture. That would be a huge phase out over the course of like 50 years Um, so that would slowly slowly stop Breeding animals and it's it's supply and demand will play a role, but also laws um, so supply and demand will will just be like So what will happen is like people will just stop demanding animal products after a while people are gonna say, oh, you know, I don't really want to do it or like, um There's more activism or there's there's there's more alternatives. There's more lab grown meat, etc So demand for animal products will go down Farmers will stop trying to meet that demand because they can only be bailed out so much, you know what I mean and um Yeah, so they'll just stop mass breeding as many and then they might have until 2050 to phase out um Factory farms something like this um Yeah, but if you just got a bunch of animals, right? So what they do at sanctuaries, for example is they They desex the animals so they don't like so if you've got like A male pig a bore and a bunch of sows a bunch of females You don't just let the bore go in and start breeding with them and then start like just letting them Like it's not going to be in the animal's best interest that they multiply it's we have to like sort of Make sure that they're not just breeding out of control because uh Yeah, we have to be able to care for the animals that exist especially livestock animals They're like they don't exist in the wild they need care like pigs The chickens for example And the cows the way they are the dairy cows the way they are these animals do not exist in nature like this They're not naturally occurring cows like even the beef cows are just hybrids Uh the result of hundreds of years of um selective breeding like these are not naturally occurring animals. You know what I mean? um They've always been Domesticated for so many years like until we go back back back past When they were wild animals, but yeah, these are like these animals now. They just don't exist in nature. So it's Better to just let them You know Just to let them become extinct You know what I mean? They should never have been here to begin with um Not in the way they are like these turkeys That it's painful for them to live Like it's painful for a turkey From the meat industry to live just to exist in their body. It's painful their little hearts Their legs the bone structure. It just can't they've been bred into meat machines just to grow meat You know, they haven't been bred to for longevity They've been bred to to create as much flesh on their little bodies that as possible And they they're designed by humans to be slaughtered Very quickly Um after a few months or in the case of chickens after a few weeks So, yeah, it's best that these animals just don't exist. It's suffering for them to exist. Um Yeah, let's keep going. I'm gonna go to the new comments So I'm up to date. So sorry. I've skipped past everyone I'm not sure what this guy's problem here is Are you guys debating in here? Um Andrew hints says do you think it's more difficult for vegan men to stand their ground because of the popular view that real men eat meat PS one final word. Thank you. Thanks Andrew Heinz hints or Heinz. Yeah So basically, uh Do I think it's more difficult for vegan men to stand their ground because of the popular view that real men eat meat? I mean, it's a case-by-case basis kind of thing. I don't think it's more difficult principally like um I think when it comes to standing your ground, it just depends on how much sort of courage you have and I don't think that that's dictated by you being male female or non-binary like I just think that it's to do with um How um much courage you have and how how much conviction you have um I guess I guess maybe you mean this in a different way because like There is there is this stigma to do with men that you should men should eat meat and real men eat meat And I you shouldn't care like men shouldn't care and if you care about animals you're weak But the reason people who have that sort of toxic viewpoint have a massive double standard and a complete hypocrites is because it's perfectly fine to care about if a child's being harmed and it's a perfectly sort of manly thing to defend a child from being harmed and everyone will everyone will hail you as a hero If you defend a child from being harmed, rightfully so, right? So if I seen a child being harmed and I did something about it Everyone would be like oh my god like like this compassionate person like okay So if I seen someone vulnerable being bullied and I stepped in and stopped that Vulnerable person from being bullied everyone would be like oh my god. Wow. Thank you compassionate men Thank you so much like thanks for standing up from even all the all the men would be like yeah, bro Legend mate that was that was good on your bro. Yeah, that was unfair You know if it's a dog for example being beaten abused and I ran out and I just Bang right straight right straight in his jaw right knock the guy out and took the dog Immediately to care got them to the vet film the whole thing everyone. I don't think there is gonna be A person alive, maybe a few of the pacifist who was gonna say why did you punch that guy? Oh my god. Why did you take that dog? You were such a vegan pussy like You you're a you're a oh wow real men would have let that dog get beaten. You're soft as if you care about animals Oh my god So like there's a huge double standard there But it's almost like as soon as it's pigs chickens fish or cows, right you all of a sudden There's a stigma attached to you caring about those animals, but why Those animals through their perception through their perception of reality experience a world just like a a dog or a child in fact pigs are like You know equivalent in intelligence. Maybe they're different types of intelligence, but a pig um, you're looking at like a three or four year old child in their intellect, you know, so Yeah, like this real men like you gotta be a real man Like you got to like eat meat and that not care about stuff like it's toxic as and And they're the people who say that have a huge double standard huge hypocrites because as soon as it's a dog or a child Or a woman or someone that's a more vulnerable a homeless person or an elderly person And and someone who's who's in a position to be able to help them physically Um, and if that person was a man And everyone even though there's much old men are gonna be like good job, mate Good job. You're helping animals old people helping the dogs and you know But helping the children from this evil kidnapper or whatever it is But all of a sudden as soon as it's a animal rights activist, uh, it's because this is why it is And this is this is this is these people, right They don't have the courage to go against society They don't have the courage to stand up to their friends and go, you know, I'm not eating animals, man I don't care what you say. I don't care if you tease me. I don't care if you make fun of me. Whatever, right? Because In my opinion, I think it's wrong. What happens to animals, right and say whatever you want All right Those people that don't care what other people think especially what other males think, you know part of their friends groups They're the ones with true courage. They're the ones who They're they're the real real kind of stand-up human beings You know what I mean? So, yeah, um, if you're following The crowd and what you care about what other people think like How does that make you like a leader? You know what I mean? It doesn't does it? So, um, yeah, like whenever someone goes, oh my god Like oh, I can't believe you care about it doesn't bother me because I just look at them like they're an idiot um, you know, and uh, I think you should stick true to your principles and this this This is genderless actually. This is actually genderless this principle but there is a more of a stigma for men and I get that but, um It's really genderless to stick to your principles and have courage things like that. It happens across the board. All right, and uh If if anything, I see men falling for the crowd more often because They're so they've got so much pride and they're too afraid to like, you know um I don't know just they cower to their what their friends think in that. You know what I mean? So Let's keep going. I'm gonna go to the new comments and I'm skipping past everyone So sorry if you've said something if you want me to answer it just ask it again um Not sure what that means With a joey brewy army Joey brewy I like that Greg says carnivores will always give you a round of applause for saving a dog not not a cow or sheep or a chicken speciesism Okay, that is true. Great, and I agree with you. Um And uh, there's no yeah, there should there's there's only arbitrary discrimination. It's not based on anything. Um More morally relevant. It's always just like, oh, that's a pig. That's a chicken there for eating Uh, it doesn't they don't like sort of analyze whether or not They're just conscious beings that suffer and want to live they don't think of that like And you're right because people are programmed. They are so programmed. Um, they're so programmed by society Um, they've been taught That these animals are food and they don't realize that they're just cucking to the system when they when they follow all this conditioning and programming Like real many meat. Well, that's marketing. That's marketing. You're you're a fool. You're falling For their marketing, you know what I mean? eating blood and flesh from animals and horrible factory farms falling for the marketing falling for the propaganda, you know I go into a factory farm and people can hardly believe it. It's true. Is that really in the uk? Yeah, they're everywhere They're everywhere you believe the labels that you've seen when you're in supermarkets And you see the green grass and or the commercials that you see and you believe all the farmers Who are selling you the product that are going on. It's all she made here, mate Forgetting that most farmers are factory farmers. You know what I mean? Let me have a look here Someone says over here in the uk humane slaughter is made into a big deal, especially with red tractor acceptor. You help me See otherwise. Yeah, red tractor is just glamorized um you know, they glamorize or uh Humane wash factory farms. That's what red tractor is red tractor is just like an accreditation for factory farms they They were actually founded by farmers uh red tractor The farmers police themselves It's crazy and uh, yeah humane slaughter The methods they use Are not really humane anyway, but saving the methods. It's not she it principally Is not she make excuse me. It principally is not humane Or can never be considered humane to kill someone who doesn't want to die um Yeah Unless that it's in their interest for them not to live like they're suffering so bad and you can't help them Then saving that there's no such thing as humane slaughter Let's keep rocking and rolling Already answered my view on lab grown meat um What's going on? Let me see There's one here. I want to have a look but it's so long Uh, it's longer than I can read sam. I'm sorry Uh, I can try to answer it, but it's covering my face. So I'm going to remove it for now It's so long that it covered me. I'm only little. I'm only like this big um okay, so Trying really hard to become a vegan really cut down by around 80% I know you've stated It's a connection you make with veganism by stopping animal product consumption completely But should people be encouraged to cut down a lot as opposed to just promoting the narrative stopping completely cold turkey So to speak surely the whole world will cut down their animal product consumption by 85% that would have a significantly higher impact Uh, so sam it's interesting This is interesting. You're answering your own question here. And I don't even think you realize it You honestly think that it's going to be more effective for me to tell people to cut down You've been watching me and you've cut down I'd never tell people to cut down because I don't believe in that but what you have done Is you've cut down by 80%? I don't know how you got that number Um, I don't know why it's so hard for you to cut out 20% like that seems a bit weird Like if you're already 80% of the way you're there, like you're talking about hardly anything to cut out like you're really almost there um, but the I tell people what I what What is true? Like what I believe is true And I don't think that you can have 20% animal products and care about animals I don't think you can eat 20% of their bodies Like I don't think you can beat your wife One day a week and be anti Women abuse. I don't think you can Abuse a child one day a week and be anti child abuse. I don't think you can eat animals 20% of the time And be anti animal abuse. You're not a vegan um So yeah, like I teach people the vegan philosophy because I believe that's the best thing for animals, right? And what ends up happening is a knock on effect of that is that some people reduce some people go vegetarian Some people do this and that they are not um, acting in alignment with the principles of anti animal abuse Or opposed to the exploitation and cruelty to animals until they're vegan, right? Anything less is just You're being cruel to the animals 20% of the time like really So no, I don't tell people to reduce because it's such an arbitrary thing to say and people have been telling people to Activists back in before before the the way the new wave of um vegan activism actually Activists were telling people to reduce and do meatless Mondays and this and that like forever didn't work When the vegan went that what their argument was is if you tell people go vegan It scares people off. They don't they don't want to do it. Actually we proved that wrong Because vegan movement is so well known now All right, um, and it's made huge leaps and strides uh us advocating veganism, right? And yes, you'll have people like yourself that that reduce, but I would never advocate that because I don't believe In that I don't believe in reducing I believe it's much better to tell people the goal Where they should go and they will they will land where they will and um so Let me ask see why you're not vegan Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know why you uh, you're trying really hard I don't know why it's so hard for you sam to be honest my friend But I don't I honestly do not know why it's so hard for you like I was un uneducated, right? I come out of gangs Extrug addict and mental health issues come out of prison Um making hardly any money, right? I had access to the internet Okay, um And I could do it I was on parole Pull myself out of gangs riding around the bike making hardly any money pulling myself out of all of these mental health issues addiction everything And I knew how to pick up the soy milk over the dairy milk I knew how to check the back of labels to find out if there was any dairy in that I knew how to find vegan cheese and I was in Adelaide, Australia and this was before this was in 2013 It was nearly 10 years ago now You know what I mean Like I just don't know why you would what what excuse you would have really um Yeah, so I'm I'm you're saying it's really hard. I don't think it is really hard um Unless you're living in on the streets Right in poverty. You don't have access. You're getting given food I don't know why you think it's hard actually, um So, yeah, I think you're making excuses personally and I think you're a nice Good person good hearted, but I do think you're telling yourself Some lies you're lying to yourself. You think it's that like I don't know what is so hard Especially to be plant-based when when when we're talking about other products like Um, that's that's another level like going into your like what I do. I've got vegan. We've got vegan everything here We've got vegan um dish washing liquid toothpaste vegan hair shampoo vegan everything Right clothes all vegan clothes this and that just makes no animal products in there So like yeah, that's a different level. You got to go through that stuff, but I even I I I knew how to do that You know, um, I did that um, so yeah, I don't I just don't really don't know What else to say there was a there was once a homeless guy in her Manchester, right? And I was showing slaughterhouse footage and he come up to the screen and he goes this is Oh, he swore and he goes this is messed up. Do you think um That's bad karma eating animals. I'm homeless and I'm vegan This guy was homeless And he was vegan How crazy is that? I wouldn't eat that He probably asked for vegan food probably gets a little bit of change gets a vegan subway does this and that you know Gets fruits and vegetables rice bit of beans and a can this and that whatever He was homeless and he was vegan. What excuse do you have? You know and I would I don't even press people who are homeless and I don't even I didn't even say to them. Oh, you should you've got a moral obligation to be well They can't even get the next meal like it. So I don't I hold people responsible who have choice Who do you have a choice? You know what I mean? And uh, yeah, so I just don't I just don't Yeah, like what the animals are going through is way worse than how hard it is for you So much harder for the animals like so much harder for them. But yeah anyways I'm not trying to roast you or anything mate. Like I'm just uh being I'm just being straight straight talking to you so out of respect actually, uh because I talk people straight out of respect so that I'm not actually just I don't know talking to them like a child or anything. I just want to tell you straight out How it is, uh, I don't think that you're trying hard enough And I don't know why it's so hard because coming from where I come from like I Had hardly any tools when I come out of prison Right And uh, I managed to do it And I completely uneducated no schooling, you know when I left school when I was 14 hanging around gangsters doing drugs dealing drugs You know carrying guns Horrible psychological issues in prison or my friends were in gangs pulled myself out of gangs on parole. I went vegan Um, here we go. We've got henchy boy here You can survive as a vegan three pounds a day and you get all your nutrient requirements zero excuses There we go. Henchy boys knows how it's done Um Uh, no, not everyone has a willpower equal to what you have joe. I'm saying as I feel it'd be more Uh more how to make people cut down you would save more animals now But what you're actually saying is it's a more effective form of activism and it would do better But you've cut down 80% Uh because of my vegan activism and me telling people the truth right what they should do But if I told you to reduce you probably would have reduced by 30% See what I mean because it's subjective You know what I mean and there is no Number to reduce by and people just think they reduce and everyone I talk to sam Every single person I ever talked to every one of them They all say I only eat a little bit of meat when you when you press them on this everyone says I only eat a little bit of meat It's a load of crap you eat meat just like everyone else So when you tell someone to reduce there was that they're already like in their head I only eat a little bit of meat every single day at every single meal So that reduction message like I think what you're telling me you're what you're trying to tell me is what is more effective activism, which um From my years of experience doing this And how many people have come up to me and go, you know, I'm a farmer and I've reduced because I've seen your stuff Or I'm vegetarian because the senior stuff. I never advocate those things but people land where they will All right, and you've landed at 80 percent. I don't think you need willpower actually I just think you're making excuses Because you don't care enough about the the animals in this case um Because if it was a human baby on the end of your 20 percent decision to eat animals A human child getting boiled alive or thrown in the gas chamber You would definitely boycott that if it was a dog or cat getting skinned alive So you can have a five minute sandwich or a bit of cheese you would you would boycott that wouldn't you? But because it's these other animals, right? It's the same thing It's you don't think they matter enough to cut them out completely when I know for one you cannot tell me right You cannot tell me it's not It's too hard. You cannot tell me. I've been doing this for so long. I've been in So many countries, right? I've been cycling across the desert in South Australia And I've been able to stay vegan get cereal sugar soy milk this and that um rice and vegetables and You name it peanut butter and bread I don't see those situations now I'm not saying there aren't situations where it's hard. Harder like in fucking Alaska or some shit. I don't know. What is Antarctica? there's gonna be places where like Tribes have to go and fish or they'll die, right, but um people like I said living in just abject poverty and on the streets right there's gonna be Situations where it's more difficult for some than others. I don't think that you're that person Mate like personally, I just think that you're making some excuses And if you're honest with yourself about that I would prefer look making excuses mate, but I'm just lazy and I actually don't care enough much better to It's much better for me to hear that All right, I don't think it's acceptable, but it's at least it's not you're not lying to yourself You're not lying to anyone else. You're just saying look I I don't care enough or something like this You're the first vegan I came across. Let's let's chuck you up here. Can I chuck you up here? I can't but thanks for this donation You're the first vegan I came across one year back three months before I turned vegan so far going good will continue for last breath Thank you so much love from India. Thank you to you too. You didn't have to give me any donations. Thank you, but Thank you and hello to everyone in India So Okay let's go and Here you go. Jack Jordan mugford says what's the number one piece of advice to take my activism to the next level? I'm going to start a youtube channel, but I want to maximize my efficiency. My number one tip for you would be to Let go of the fear That would be number one because uh, what I found is that When I felt the fear and did it anyway I actually pushed boundaries that I and that took me to places where I never expected I would go And that's because I had the courage to do things a lot of people didn't have the courage to do And I would say that if you let because it's a lot of things that come into play like you might be You might be worried about what people think so to let go of the fear of what people think You know, you might be worried about not being good enough. So you might go let go of the fear of not being good enough um You might let go of the fear of things being perfect before you actually do it Which is never going to happen, right? So if you're waiting right now Go let go of that. Oh my videos aren't going to be as good enough quality No, you got to get on youtube now if you want to be on social media and doing all this stuff You're going to have to let go of all this fear and you got to let go of the just Just when you put yourself out there in front of all of these people, right all of your flaws Like it is me. I couldn't I was hardly educated I wasn't no like earthling ed with my intellect and I wasn't coming out of university and school and this and that and like I was fresh out of gangs at 27. You know what I mean? And then I had to like do all this stuff online where like I'm being exposed to all of these different opinions, right? And uh, so so basically you have to let go of that fear um secondly You have to you have to really be doing this for the right reasons And you have to have the how at the front of your mind. Uh, sorry You have to not worry about the how so much but not but worry be more concerned with the why Why you're doing it and that will lead you To places that you didn't expect actually um Yeah, if you don't have that why You're gonna stop people stop all the time I see people start and stop and stop and stop and start and stop because it's Like if you think that you're just gonna get on youtube and get 100,000 subs like it's more often than not not gonna happen um But it's gonna take a lot of work Right, you don't just get handed that you have to work your ass off um And you have to be extremely dedicated like I was sadistically dedicated. I didn't have a life outside of Activism, I didn't have any life outside of active. All I did was edit film Talk about activism post Worry about the next video. Do do do the travel around get content. It's all I done It's one of the only things I've done ever since actually um But I was way more obsessed at the start Way more obsessed And it took a toll on my mental health a lot actually, but I didn't care because that was what it was way more important to me um to make an impact Then my mental health was to me actually so that was a sacrifice I made Um, so you had to be prepared to make sacrifice as well, but not to get too deep on your Jordan Because we're all different actually you just want to start the youtube channel. You want to take the activists into the next level um You probably want to make an impact. Um, you know, uh, but If you truly want to make an impact, right? You've got to be prepared for everything that comes with a day. That's what I will say to you But if you visualize it If you have a goal and you visualize it it will manifest and not in the way you expect But you have to you have to let go of fear and just go with it. Um But be prepared for everything because if you really you want to make an impact for the animals You're going to go up against a monster a beast that's ingrained into the world's mind and you're trying to Undo That conditioning You're going to have people angry at you the industry the farmers the meat eaters friends Other vegans aren't going to agree all the time with how you should approach things um, you'll be especially if you're successful you'll be criticized by everyone, all right um, so you'll have a smaller friend group because um It's gonna it will be tough, you know, it will be tough if what you're really thinking of Is doing this really seriously um, yeah Don't expect it to be easy. That's what I'll say And uh, don't just start and think I've not made an impact yet and stop because you've got to wait years You have to wait years. You have to work hard for years Um, if you're lucky if you bring something to the table. That's so amazing. That's never been seen before or done before You could just bloom off the out the gate be I've seen it before people out the gate bang But you have to have a lot of guts to to to do that Daniel Pauli says have you ever feared for your life for other activists while fighting for the animals? Yes, I have I don't want to go into one of the situations, but you'll figure that find that out very soon enough um, but yeah, definitely Not often though not often our fear for my life Um, not like oh my god. Oh, I'm real scared of this person. There are dangerous people out there more often than not It's just uh, it's just threats on the internet. Um, but yeah, there are situations that you could find yourself in that are dangerous So I would say be safe Pete says what what supplements do I take daily? Not that many like I take a moldy vitamin just because I'm in England and it's got like vitamin d and uh, b12 in it b12 is one you should really take Um, I try to eat a bit of nuts and seeds and this and that I try to eat a whole food like a array of like good food Like if I'm not eating that healthy, I'll make a big fat juicy kale green juice with ginger and all this stuff in there um You know, I eat a lot of fruit this and that but uh, yeah, I just I just take a multivitamin really um Just for the bottom of db12 there's some other stuff in there Like I think maybe even like iodine is one that you might want to think about Um, which is in like seaweed products, but you can get like a little iodine supplement in multivitamins and stuff like that but yeah Don't be too concerned look after yourself though and there's a thing like Like what I want to talk about is this phenomena called the nocebo effect and um Like the they actually have to account for in in randomized control trials Which is like the gold standard for like testing medications and things like this Double blind Randomized control trials. They have to account for the placebo effect, which is what where you think you've been given um The drug that they're testing even so so they give they might give you a sugar pill But they have to account for the fact that you're you don't know if that's a sugar pill in the study So when you take it your mind might say, oh That's the that's the actual drug. It's making me But let's just say it's for acne or something acne starts to go away So they have to account for the placebo effect in studies Scientists do it's not woo-woo and there's also something called the nocebo effect where like The the inverse is true If you tell someone that they're sick They start to believe it and they actually get sick And this is true. Look it up. Look it up, right So what can happen is people go? Oh, like, you know, I'm being vegan like now and like there's a few carnivals on online they're saying like That i'm gonna Like end-stage veganism like i'm gonna start deteriorating in that so then in their head they start going. Oh my god Like actually I am pretty tired You know like oh god, like maybe I have maybe it is veganism like maybe like Maybe i'm End-stage vegan like so you just got to have a strong mind and like Like, you know, because you get people there they keep saying oh joey. There's something wrong joey Look at him. Like if I've got like a yellow my my lighting is like Like wait, wait, I just change it to like like yellow or something If my lighting's like that and I don't look at it properly people go. Oh my god. Look, he's got jaundice And then if my lighting's like like if I change it to white, right? What is it go white? Look, he's got his pale He's pale. You know what I mean like so there are trippers that are like on the internet who um Who just look for things oh my god, he's vegan. He's dying like look He's oh my god. Like if I stay out all night at a at a farm or something. I come back. I'm tired like right now I'm actually quite tired. Um You can't be tired as a vegan like normal tired like you can't have a late night and and be tired that means you're dying of Deficiency like vegans can't be tired if you're tired as a vegan. It's because you're vegan It's not because you haven't slept and you've been working you've been having a few coffees and you know, you've been over whatever no No, if you're tired as a vegan It's because you're dying from veganism So people are just insane idiots. It's incredibly crazy especially online You get the biggest Dumb asses like they don't know what lighting is they start going look. He's he's deteriorating like they're they're cooked They're absolutely cooked. Um Anyways It's it's incredibly laughable People are jokes and that's why they fall for industry propaganda so easily like They fall for industry propaganda so easily because they're just easily fooled. They don't have critical thinking skills Most people like there are a lot of look there are a lot. Look, I'm not saying all people. I'm saying So many people don't have critical thinking skills. They don't need evidence for their claims They basically are living in this what like you basically can tell them something they believe it without evidence Like this is most of society. This is why human beings are like so easily led anyways Just ripping just ripping it to shreds mate in this live stream getting really You can really deep into this How long we've been on live for god, it's been an hour and a half guys. Shit. Well, I was supposed to go on this, um news thing for debate. I feel like They they pulled out of it some reason my suspicious mind is going ticking over So I thought do a live stream. So and I'm glad we got 300 people in there facebook and youtube What's up homies and home mats and home days What when was your moment joey? I used to do undercover work. Okay When okay, I can't we're worried about it if I put this on the screen. I'm going to read it from here tanya, okay tanya keen af shoot When was your moment joey? I used to do undercover work in slaughterhouses in zoos There was a day in a slaughterhouse. I'm undercover and I'm standing with this cow There was there is absolute destruction going on around me the smell of blood the screams of pain the yells of machines in the The cheers of assholes, but this cow his eyes almost in slow motion as a destruction was in full speed I saw his eyes the love compassion intelligence. Can you How do I see the whole thing? How come I can't see the whole comment I'm sorry tanya. I cannot see the rest of it. I've got up to intelligence in I'm I think you're about to tell me that there was a moment when you were investigating Where you had this you looked at an animal that was about to be killed I think that's what you're getting at If you send me the rest of it, I'll read it out, but I can only read to compassion intelligence in this is all I can see But my moment, uh, well god, I've had a few of those depends on when it whether or not it's been at a slaughterhouse on the outside watching them go in or um There's been times where I've been watching footage from like dominion and that's happened A bull witness inside slaughterhouses and that's happened while they're killing animals And it happened to me again recently So when was my one moment? I don't have any one moment. Actually. I've had moments where like that was just so disgustingly cruel That it just shocked me to the core Um For example, uh, when when I decided to do a vigil in Bali actually And uh, so I was just said to my mate. Let's do a vigil here because while I'm here I want to do something I don't just want to go to a vegan festival and not do anything So I decided to do a vigil and I was like we found where a slaughterhouse was and I said, you know Let's try to get inside actually Let's take this because my mind always tries to go to the next level And uh, so I was just like let's try to get inside a slaughterhouse And then my mate was balinese and he talked to the staff there He told him when I was like this This agricultural student from Australia who was really interested in how I'm the process over here is So they're like, okay. Yeah, no worries. We'll take you through we took us through went through the slaughterhouse They weren't killing and I said to my mate to ask him when they're going to start killing and they started killing that night And it was okay for us to come with the camera so we came with the camera and uh Long story short They started pulling these beautiful balinese cows in and they looked so adorable Sweetest little brown eyes. They were a lot smaller than like they were more like a wild cow Beautiful animals. They're about nine years old. So they do slaughter them like a lot later there for some reason. I don't know why Maybe they were lying about it, but They had a rope through their nose. I've got this video on my channel actually and they pulled them onto the Onto this machine that holds them down and it was supposed to be a whole house slaughterhouse, but um Yeah, and I'm filming and uh, they pull her nose Rope down to expose her neck and then he just with his big knife just saw into her neck and uh, yeah, that's when like the blood sprayed out, but what what really Obviously blood was going to spray out but I didn't expect that because he went through her windpipe that she was going to try to start breathing and Then she was just breathing in blood and then vomited out of her neck And blood was spraying everywhere. Um That was the point where I was like This is horrific This is much worse than what I expected that poor animal Is struggling to breathe through the Gash in her neck All right, she's vomiting out of it dying in terror Blood everywhere and then I watched her be dismembered And they skinned her face They cut the skin off of her face This beautiful cow and they cut her eyes out. I think it was the point when they were skinning her face Actually where I was just like this is This is traumatizing to be in here and not being able to stop them And you could see me when I walk out of that slaughterhouse that I was just shot I was just in a state of shock actually I was in a state of shock Yeah There was another cow out the out the back that had an injury and she'd come in for an emergency slaughter And because she was injured she could have just You know gone to get treated or something But because she was injured she just laid there And they soared her neck open and killed her too um Yeah, incredibly horrible um That's not the only time I've witnessed slaughter if there's been another time I think I've talked about this publicly before but if you want me to get into it I can but I don't really want to Overdo it. It's quite Horrible Robert coats said it's a cow. They are food. They don't have feelings um Robert may look You've got two children here in your peak profile picture If they saw what I saw they would be so traumatized I'd never want to eat another animal product again If you saw what I saw you would never want to eat Well, I don't know about you. I can't actually speak for you because I don't know what type of person you are But all I know is If you think a cow doesn't have feelings Right, if you honestly think a cow does not have feelings like truly Then um I would I would actually make this statement You have an incredibly low intelligence level like really low like dangerously low um If you if you if unless you're you're making stuff up, but if you honestly think that cows don't have any feelings Like they don't feel pain. They don't feel emotions. They don't have any intelligence. They don't avoid suffering Then I would say that you have a dangerously low level of intelligence and that you like um That you shouldn't be in charge of anything significant if you have Anything significant in your care. It shouldn't be in your care because that is that is like saying um I don't know something that's equally it was ridiculous um That basically if you think that then you shouldn't actually agree with any of the animal welfare laws. You obviously don't Think you can be cruel to a cow if they don't have any feelings Do you think that if I burned a cow with a hot iron in the eyeball the cow would feel it? I don't know but anyway, mate Just saying if you think that What I would just do If you've got like you've got time to comment, right? Just look up cow intelligence to cows have feelings our cows sentient conscious beings. Um Just look that up And uh, do a little bit of it will only literally take you probably five minutes man. Hey, that's all i'm saying just Just look it up If cows don't have fear feelings and nevity dogs, so let's do whatever we want to them Yeah, I know like it's insane to say like that That's why I didn't know whether he was mucking around or whether he actually believed that if he did actually believe that and He's got children in his care and he actually has he doesn't believe that An animal like a cow has feelings like You like you shouldn't be in control of a car a vehicle If your intelligence level is that low and uh, I'm not even trying to I'm not trying to be like Mean to people who have low intelligence. I just think that that's a very dangerous sort of level of low intelligence They skate scrapped the who's I'm not not sure we're talking about about uh horses Someone says uh, am I where did that go? Someone says am I feeling okay seem to be down? No, I'm not fine. I'm just gonna I'm a bit tired It's getting late here actually Um been live streaming nearly two hours Um James says how do you deal with the social stigma associated with being Invited out by friends to a restaurant when there are literally literally no vegan options. How do I deal with it? James? Because um when people ask me things is that Is that focus okay? How do I do that? That's nice and sharp, isn't it? Geez Watch all the anti vegans going. Oh my god. Look. He's got a pimple here. Oh, he's dying from no protein um So how do I deal with the social stigma associated with being invited out by friends to a restaurant when there are literally no vegan options I am going to tell you how I deal with it I actually grow a backbone and tell them no worries. I'm not coming catch you later Um, that's me though. Like I I wouldn't care. I would just be like, oh, well if you're if you're my friend, right? Like my threat for example, I'll give you a single example. My friends are some Tough dudes like from back in the day, but my friends who aren't vegan They're some tough dudes. They're they're like they were pretty gangster man. My mates Um, they're not not really anyone to mess around with really a lot of my mates. They're they're tough tough cookies you know But um, they don't have to really Show me respect, but they've got respect for me. They've got respect because we've known each other for a long time. You know what I mean? Now they know what I do. They know They know what I get up to So like if they were like, hey joey Do you want to come for a meal? Do you know what they say? They'll say let's go somewhere vegan My mate, uh, actually invited we went around this house and He just got out of jail. All right. He cooked us vegan food You know what I mean? There was no meat on the table Stuff like that One time one of my mates actually it was his birthday and um He invited me and they had all these roasts like roast lambs out and he put him away when I come And he told me he goes on we're not no one's eating while joey's here That's called respect That's called respect You know what I mean? And if your friends don't respect you They're not your friends If your friends aren't thoughtful enough to go, you know what james is vegan Let's get someone with vegan options at least with vegan options. They're not your mates. They're not your friends um, I would I would find new friends Actually, because if they're going to go deliberately to a restaurant with no vegan options Don't go and just look like look man. Like I'm not coming on my vegan. I don't want to You know, whatever if they don't find a there's a go to a vegan restaurant where there is vegan options Just to invite you there. They're literally saying They'd rather you not come They're not your friends. Um, what I actually learned is that It's much more empowering To stand true to your principles and uh Like not have any friends for a little while That's what I did Do you know, I lost all of my mates at one stage They were all in gangs and on drugs and this and that and I had to change my everything and I hung around with myself and got some me time for a like a year or two And uh, that's when I started finding my purpose Because why would you want to surround yourself with people who don't share the same values as you? Why would you lower yourself like that? Actually, you know what I mean? Like you don't need all these people to Be happy That's my opinion. Anyway, and then when when you do that people will actually respect you because you're like actually demanding respect In order for me to go out with someone at dinner time They better be it better be vegan or I'm not coming And and if they respect me and want to catch up with me I'm sure they don't they wouldn't care because you know what it's about for my mates It's about catching up with me. It's not about whether or not they get to have a steak that night They prefer just to catch up with me and if that means out of vegan restaurant They'll do it because they're chill as anything even though like a lot of my mates are not They're not vegan and that I don't really see them all that often, but if I went to Adelaide right now Guarantee you and I said to some of my old mates. Let's go to a vegan restaurant They'd be like no worries man. Where we're going? Where we're going? Let's go vegan restaurant Is beer vegan? Yeah, man sweet so um Basically James You would I would just speak up for yourself and just say look bad like I'm vegan a so I don't I don't actually eat animal products and if you go into a place where there's no vegan options And I'm not coming a because I'm not eating that shit Um, you know, I mean, but that's cool But you just see how they how they respond to that they go look we'll find a place with vegan option All right, then you can go Then they looks like your friends are actually showing your respect if they don't show you respect and uh appreciate that you're vegan And at least go some of the vegan option my mates. I don't even go out my mates if there's got to be meat on the table They would everything's got to be vegan when I'm there um so um Yeah, if they if they don't if they don't um At least accommodate you then you need different friends because I don't respect you Why would you want to have friends that don't respect you? That's my opinion. Anyway You don't power yourself uh Squidward it's gone on Squidward. Are you the real Squidward? Are you the real Squidward? You're one of the greats Joey. I don't have any questions because you were right. Uh, bless you bless you Squidward Squidwards claring treat Thank you for five dollars. You didn't have to give me five dollars, but it goes when when you donate actually here It goes to the ad sense and we pull it out and it goes to the team Everything we do equipment paying staff everything Okay, so I'm going I'm going to go into two hours So if you've got some questions answer answer me ask not answer me ask them And uh, I'm going to go for two hours, but otherwise I'm starting a bit tired now I believe I've shared a lot of my time and I appreciate all 350 you joining Uh, 230 from youtube and 100 from facebook family Word Let's go Hugh says have you ever do you ever regret some of the things you have said? um This is a really interesting question I definitely don't regret the reason why I said them, right? Because whenever I've said things it usually come from a good place But there has been like because when I first I mean you're being broad, but I'll expect you to mean Things that I've said since I've been a vegan and an activist online I think I will answer it like that because if you're talking before I went to prison you're talking to a different completely different person and a completely different life Where I've done and said many things that I regret because I was I was a terror back then But if you're talking about just since I've been vegan and that and doing online activism I've probably could have said things differently and you always evolve, right? regret it's a hard word because like Regret means that you wish you could take it back And if you took it back, then you took back all the lessons from it too that you learned from it um So if I hadn't said things that I thought oh, maybe I could have said that better Then I wouldn't have learned actually by making that mistake to say it better. Um You know, I did once say uh that I hope a hunter accidentally shoots one of their family members in the face on a hunting trip and um I said that because They were going out hunting innocent animals. What this I think it was someone in my comment section. This was back in 2016 And they're in my comment section trying to justify shooting innocent animals And uh I made a response video about it because I was so upset pissed off angry. I was really angry actually Really angry like how dare you go around hunting terrified animals Like little terrified animals. You're chasing them through The woods with a gun to shoot them and they've done nothing wrong You know what I mean? Coming from someone who used to carry guns like in gangs and that you know around dangerous people I was Uh, but that was totally different because these people they were involved with gangs too. They could defend themselves These hunters are going out shooting innocent animals that are terrified They're running away for their lives their little bodies terrified. These hunters are going out to shoot them sick So you can get where I was coming from basically I was basically saying like I hope you get some karma Right. I hope one day you know what it's like You know what it feels like You know, um So yeah, I said that but what the media did actually is they take it They took it and they made a big article about it joey thinks that He hopes that a hunter shoots one of their family members in the face Yeah, all I was just talking about karma like you know if someone abused A child or a dog people ask for karma. They say I hope you get what you did to that dog Do you deserve what you did to that dog to happen to you? You know, so Are you that person he abused a child he deserves to get abused by other prisoners when he goes to prison something like this, you know So, yeah, like do I regret it? I don't know because would I have got the same type of media controversy attention if I didn't say controversial things That's the thing you have to weigh up. I don't know if regrets a good word actually, but I could probably Sometimes I'm like, oh god. They're still bringing that up. But yeah Uh, but yes, of course. Thank you so much for this money. You don't I appreciate you and this money would go into our AdSense and go for the team. Thank you so much The rest is okay ten years Ten years given the rest Compassion and okay in that moment I was a vegan and I never went back the moment beef turned into a cow baking turned into a pig my life changed forever What was your moment? Thank you for your answer. That was incredibly heartbreaking. I saw a lot too Okay, so, uh, yeah my moment, uh, so she went vegan Tanya, I'm guessing ten years a woman. Uh, it sounds like a very woman ish name um My moment I went vegan. Is that what you're asking? Because the moment I went vegan or that I started to see meat as an animal I think I started eating a plant-based diet before I actually had that full on connection. Hey I think it was a progressive thing for me. I can't put my finger on that on one moment Uh, I have had moments bearing witness where I'm like, oh my god And uh, I think what what happened with me is that as the years went on I started to connect deeper and deeper and deeper to this and started understand understand more and more and more and uh I think it was a progressive thing like that You know and as I understood I got angry, you know, but bearing witness was a big part of my anger It's like watching animals go in there Can't Rescue them, you know that made me angry and looking at all the personalities and faces that go in there like um Yeah, but the longer I ball witness the more that I thought about this and the more I'm around like chopped up body parts in supermarkets and see it and See people eating the animals and then going into farms and see it like it just I progressively understand it more and more and more how sickening it is you know, so Let's go. What else we've got for me. I've got five minutes Thank you, adam We've got one last one with Derek. I reckon Um, sorry, I haven't uploaded but we've been super busy man. Like it's been crazy um Yeah Hope to get something up soon Okay, joe. You've asked it three times now, mate. All right, joe wallace You want to help with your question? Let's read your question for you, joe. Just because you got the same name as me, mate I'm vegan Someone in the pub Asked me if I had to kill a piglet or a baby, which one would I kill? Obviously, I'd said I'd kill the piglet, but I couldn't explain why without contradicting my vegan standpoint How would you answer? Without just saying that this situation would never happen. Okay. No, I don't avoid hypotheticals and I know some people do and that's annoying But I don't um, yeah, so how would I answer? um Yeah, I would probably lean towards killing the piglet. Um, it because the way the hypothetical was framed you You have to kill one Uh, you have to kill either a piglet or a baby a human baby, right? um, that's a that's a situation where you don't have a choice but kill one and You're gonna you're gonna lean towards killing one of your own Uh, killing killing you're gonna lean towards killing one. That's not your species um And you might think a human being Uh, you know, they grow up. They live 100 years 80 years and they have a deeper experience and maybe the pig lives for seven years you know, uh, maybe this kid's gonna go vegan because I saved them, you know, and uh But yeah, I would lean towards killing the piglet myself, of course Um, you know, but the situation the way the way you're not contradicting yourself is because you're not people aren't in that situation And you're not in that situation, right? That's that's framed. It's a hypothetical. It doesn't actually expose any hypocrisy really um because what you're not actually saying that um, a human life Is not um, like if you if you're going to choose like between one or the other that you wouldn't choose the human life All right, um, maybe some vegans have a different position. Maybe they'll be like, no, fuck the human I'm saving the pig, right? Whatever, but but that doesn't expose any hypocrisy in your vegan position because you're not in a situation Let me just remove this so I can see myself Uh, so everyone can see as well You're not in a situation where you have to either kill a pig or kill a baby. Are you joe? So whoever's asking you this is an idiot you're in a situation where Uh, you either kill a pig or eat a vegan burger You don't have to kill no baby. You're not in a situation where if you don't kill a pig Like a baby will get killed a stupid It's a stupid question And it's a hypothetical and you you did nothing wrong by answering a hypothetical how you think you should answer it In no way does it expose you with as a hypocrite All right, um in order to expose you as a hypocrite you would have to be contradicting yourself But how about this? Joe you introduce a vegan burger and you say to him Hey, mate Here's one for you You have to eat one a vegan burger A live pig or a live baby all right Eat one And who would you eat? Would you eat the piglet? Would you eat the baby or do you eat the vegan burger? And you say well, that's the position I'm in right now I'm in that position where I don't have to eat either of the sentient beings. None of the sentient beings And I'm choosing the vegan burger. That's not actual hypothetical. That's the situation. I mean, that's why I'm vegan If you want a situation survival situation You had to kill one or the other situation These are different situations to the reality that we're in right now And I don't think they expose any hypocrisy in your in on your part. Joe. So don't worry about it um Yeah, it's fine a lot of humans have a preference to save other humans over animals and um You know, if it was a dog, you would have the same answer. I think you know You probably say well, I'm gonna save the the human baby and have to kill the dog But obviously you don't want to go around killing dogs That doesn't I mean if you asked him the same question and said hey, mate What would you kill a human baby or a dog? Um, if he said look, I would kill the dog and save the human baby. That doesn't that doesn't mean that um That doesn't mean that um He he thinks it's okay to kill dogs. It's just in that situation where you have to kill one or the other He had to kill the dog. You know what I mean? So Totally fine. Don't worry about it. Joe. He didn't he didn't get you. He didn't stump you. You're still vegan. Don't worry um I always say like I actually when people introduce those two-sided hypothetical arguments it's fine to answer it right but What I use it for like, you know, um Eating better Better meat treated more humanely this meat Uh, so like people say well, you know, yeah factory farming in that bad. That's cruel, but like You know, it should be done better. You know You know, it's better to eat the humane meat and I say well, there's always a third choice, right? Because obviously like if you had two choices You want the choice that causes less suffering less torture So if there's one choice where these animals been tortured in factory farms and then executed in a horrible way boiled alive And there's another choice where they've been raised without torture and then they're killed with a bolt gun quickly Then if out of those two choices It's probably better. Well, it's definitely better to choose The option with the least torture But um There's always a third option, right Now in reality, there's a third option and it's called be vegan So you don't have to go for the but in a situate in a hypothetical where there's only two options obviously avoiding the horrible torturous meat that causes way more suffering is preferable But because we're in reality and we can make decisions that we don't need either That's the most humane thing to do and that's a vegan thing to do All right guys, uh catch us all later. Thanks for tuning in. I appreciate your time and your questions and uh your support and I'll see you all soon