 Hey everybody, we're on video live on the internet. Is that cool? Let's go. Yeah Well, okay, that's what I'm gonna do. Here we go Welcome aboard the Daily Tech News show Please keep your earbuds in at all times if throughout the show you feel the need to contribute go to patreon.com Slash ace detect now, please stand clear of the doors for a favor, man This is the Daily Tech News for Friday October 2nd 2015. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today as he does many Fridays Mr. Darren kitchen contributor founder of hack 5.org and man with a hat Man with a hat indeed up until the haircut coming and then I will I will have maybe a week or two of non-hat Dispoil yeah, you get a haircut. You want to display it, right? Yes makes sense Also joining us today man about the week. He's like Thursday f Thursdays. I'm Justin Robert young. I'll show up when I want I Do and and now you know a Justin Robert young guest spot is a never or early nor is it late Just what it means to You know who has not joined us and I just realized it may have been an Invite fail is mr. Len Peralta. So I am going to I'm gonna Unless I forgot something and he can't make it today for some reason He's in the dock yeah, there you go. I'm gonna put that hangout invite back out there Maybe it didn't get to him the first time. Do you want me to start the headlines? Well? No, that's all right. We want to do that here. Let's do that like that By the way, it's fan mail Friday So we got a lot of really good emails from folks that we're going to bring in but let's start the headlines as we mentioned yesterday user information from patreon.com was accessed by unauthorized intruders 15 gigabytes of data has been posted online security researcher Troy Hunt says yeah It looks to be from patreon servers in addition to the personal information We mentioned yesterday hunt found source code along with private messages essentially an entire database ours technical reports Swedish security firm detectify claims who have warned patreon on September 23rd that it was running work Zoeg utility library with debugging functions on that utility can be manipulated to give unauthorized access in a way that fits the description of the attack that patreon made yesterday Thanks to EFC 88 for the subreddit submission. Hey Darren One of the reasons this is getting attention from our show obviously as we're funded by patreon in part But another reason is that it a lot of folks like Dan Gooden from ours Technica seem to think that this is a bigger Data dump than maybe people expected. Where does it fall in the spectrum for you? Well, I mean the first thing that I look at when it comes to a data breach is how were How was the authentication secured and this is actually one of the better cases? It's using b-crypt which is like way better than the you know You sometimes see mv5 or shall when there were some really weak algorithms being used So it's good to see you know that they're using at least industry standard stuff that the next thing I've actually like stopped even hoping for and dreaming of and I've just been crushed and beaten down by the Whole concept that any social network or other sort of service that keeps your data would ever give the same kind of Security to the actual data that you provide that you do with say your password so Yeah, I mean it seems large, but you know, I haven't had a chance to troll through it really it's you know Well, I'm not too concerned that somebody's gonna know that I donated to DTNS Well, and I think yeah, that's that's the thing is the passwords are b-crypt now with the source code partial source code out there That could possibly give a hacker a leg up We don't know if there's a if there's a mistake in the programming or something but but really the The kind of the personal messages the private messages seem to be the worst thing that's out there in plaintext anyway right now And even then that is really only embarrassing if you have said something embarrassing in that fairly lightly Trafficked at least for people on this. I mean, I don't use private message much on the several patreons that I run So if that is embarrassing for people who have said something embarrassing then that will get out this in some ways is a validation of Patreons open model for letting everybody know exactly how much Money is coming in if anything as we've seen in some of the second day coverage of it Part of what could be revelatory is how much creators are actually making Spoiler alert less than the number that you see on their patreon right it actually could be fairly instructive to be yeah So I mean if anything it's not going to be very embarrassing I think for for for creators although What has been interesting is is seeing whether or not some of the code that could make other hacking Or other database breaches more likely is is indeed in the wild Let me just ask you this Darren it what is that? Phenomenon like is because I can kind of wrap my head around it But I don't really understand the idea that part of this breach could be You know the key to other breaches if they do not do more work on Well, I mean the most obvious one is just that people recycle passwords But again, that's why the first thing I look at is you know, what's the encryption means for that password because Yeah, b-crypt is pretty secure if you've got a long passphrase and so the chat and And the hope is that in this day and age people have kind of clued on to the fact that you're not supposed to use the same password on every site So I could see how that could be a launching pad in that sense There's also other you know fishing and social engineering opportunities there when you have personally identifiable information about people, but I don't think there's any at least for me I'm not like putting social security numbers or anything like that in here and And and and by the way bio-cow in the chat room points out he from what he can tell looking at it Seems like there's about a hundred lines of source code in there For if that makes any difference to how people are thinking about it What I wonder is how different would this be if instead of talking about Patreon which is like a really interesting subscription kind of model thing, but if we were talking about something like Kickstarter versus say Indiegogo if Kickstarter were hacked and the source code and you know gigs and gigs of Data were released would that change and and the the thing that's going to make the biggest difference to this company is Their trust with their consumers would that actually change like oh, you know product developers that are like I you know Maybe I should really consider Indiegogo because I don't want to fall victim to a Kickstarter hack or something of that nature Yeah, and I know you know We've already seen a few people decide to pull their their patron support Because they just don't you know, I don't think that Signing up for patreon is any less secure than any other service that you're going to give payment information to As we'll see in our next story, but but at the same time, you know It's it's sort of the people are getting tired of having their information Attacked and stolen all over the place and but my my guess would be this particular breach Maybe not the worst thing on the planet for patreon Subsequent breaches a history of that. Yeah, that that's when you start to erode trust between your customer Hey, Len Peralta is in the hangout now. Thank you, Len. Sorry. We had miscommunication there, but I'm glad you made it in Oh, no problem. No problem. It's good to be here excellent All right. Hey, we've got more breaches folks. Yeah Experian announced that Thursday a server containing data used for credit checks of team mobile customers had been Attacked data was accessed for 15 million people who applied for a team mobile service requiring a credit check between September 1st 2013 and September 16th 2015 the stolen data includes names data births Addresses and social security numbers no payment card or banking information was acquired Thanks to strike it rich and have a trailer condo say for posting this on the subreddit and thanks for Alan for sending Tom an Actual can of how about toilet condolce? I haven't popped it open to eat it yet I'm sure it's not as good as like the real thing down in the Dominican and it's also spelled as three words Well as condolce with coconut from Goya Leading brand of all my Hispanic friends that I used to have in South Florida Anyway, I got a really big chuckle when I pulled this out of a box that had come to our post office box That was amazing. Thank you Alan All right recode reports Google Inc. Will officially become a subsidiary of alphabet when markets closed today If you were wondering did it already happen? Is it yet to happen? It's happening today shares of Google stock will be converted to alphabet shares one for one Class C shares will continue to trade under the old ticker goog class a shares under the old ticker goog L alphabet does not plan to share the financials of its companies until January's fourth quarter earnings report That's when they'll restructure everything under the new system for reporting purposes Silicon Valley Business Journal reports Apple has reached a deal with land bank investments LLC to build a second architecturally innovative campus the new expansion will be in Sunnyvale not Cupertino on 777 thousand square feet of space at Central Expressway and Wolf Road Whether it's for Apple or not remains to be confirmed publicly But Landmark has a website up showing the campus design at not another box Calm everybody's calling a spaceship, but it looks more boat-like to me It's very swoopy. Hmm. I'm just excited that if you this will actually make a nice impact on a rent in the bay area Which we all know has been you know under some turmoil In what way well in the way that the SFS Apartment sadness blog will be filled with more witty Satire I see more fodder for for amusements Hmm, like the like the bunk bed you could rent with an IT guy for $700 a month I mean it could be $800 a month. You don't want to get more Apple people up in here I mean I'm I'm just saying why do we have to have everything going down to 80 in the 101? Right, like can we put something just that that runs on another highway that we can totally clog up and make unusable for three hours People in Pittsburgh and Dublin are like shut up. I know What Bay Area traffic and weather together on the fives and tens here on DTNS ZD nuts Mary Jo Foley reports that ASUS has signed a patent deal with Microsoft covering its Android Products and as part of the deal will pre-install unspecified Microsoft productivity services on its Android tablets and smartphones I mean it's gonna be office. Why can't they just say that? I don't know but they won't yet my imagine it's gonna be more than just office though. I Just imagine that is going to be annoying to try to uninstall unless you have root access on that device Because the best you can do is really just disable it. Yeah Remember this summer when Google said HBO now is coming to Android TV Well, it's finally true Android TV is getting HBO now showtime CBS all-access Disney movies anywhere epics WWE and UFC apps and the following companies will start making products with the Android TV Ecosystem integrated TV manufacturers high-sense and TCL pay TV set top box makes makers paste sage calm and technicolor and pay TV services KDDI of Japan and telecom Italia You know more and more You know cord cutting options for everybody never a bad thing and Android TV is you know at the back of the pack They're late to the game. They're trying to gain market share So striking deals like this and actually getting HBO now before Roku are a couple of coups for him indeed I mean they did have that like major success right out of the gate with the Logitech whatever it was Oh the Google TV. Yeah, that's not one of those in my closet That was a hit. I think we all do don't we metaphorically We all have Google TV from Logitech in our closet metaphorically We all actually in a closet somewhere have a first-gen Roku and or insert name of Devices over the last five years look for them in a future video called tech off the shelf on my YouTube channel These two stories actually the ace's story and this go together a little bit It's both companies trying to get their services on more platforms in one case Microsoft using their patent strength To leverage this which is an interesting way to go about it and the other it's just Google You know strike and brute force deals with folks Brian Chen wrote a New York Times report on the effect of ad blockers on your iOS Browsing experience over four days. They measured the effect of several ad blocking apps on page size slow times and battery life Results varied widely based on the sites tested Boston.com was the most improved going from 38.9 seconds to 8.1 seconds to load Cutting page sizes from 19.4 megabytes to four the Guardian was the least improved by a blocker dropping only from seven seconds To six point eight and shaving about one kilobit to three point four Or from three point three point four overall battery life improved 21% but only for web browsing Yeah, only shave it off a kilobyte. It's pretty interesting and if you look at Brian Chen's article Infographic you'll see that The majority of the top 50 sites he looked at really didn't receive that much improvement But the ones at the top that did they received Huge improvements and that's what's driving people to want to use ad blockers If you they if they're regular visitors of Boston.com, they're like, ah, this is this is ridiculous I've got to figure out how to make this a not eat up all my data when I'm out and about on Because I have a capped data plan and be you know, just filling up my browser with crap also completely Unsolicited shout-out to the people who designed Boston.com and such a lightweight and clean interface that it's only the ads that is making that Thing load slowly so shout-out to upstatement.com You know, I was going to make a joke about how this could be resolved by using the links text browser But obviously we know that that's not a feasible solution in this day and age But what I find really fascinating is that on modern smart devices with your safaris and your chromes and whatnot that it's You'll have a hard time finding a checkbox under settings to disable things like JavaScript or even just loading images Which seemed to be the norm back in the pre 3g? Smartphone it's weird to even kind of consider a palm trio a smartphone at this day and age But but those you know the easiest thing was just like hey disable images disable JavaScript You're still gonna get the content from Boston.com and you really don't need to see their logo anyway And if you're reading hacker news or whatever like that you're all you're missing is a picture of some guy in a ski mask at a keyboard Yeah, I mean if you're if you want a tight if you're on a tight data plan Maybe a gigabyte that's the kind of thing you want to be able to do so Yeah, how much how much of the phrase? You know there it's all right How much of this concept of ad blockers and our hand wringing about it is is just us wanting to feel better and justify Why we want to use ad blockers? I? Personally don't use them. I do I use script blockers and and things like that. I use cookie blockers I don't use ad blockers Because ads are not my problem. It's it's over over zealous scripts malware being delivered through particular vectors like ads And tracking that that I have a problem with so I went I went ahead and created my own concoction of Extensions and plugins and stuff and the EFF has some great ones like privacy badger for instance But most people won't do this so it ad blockers just easier for them when they're looking at this and going oh my gosh This is this site takes so long It's I can't even see the story because this thing popped up in front of my face while I was trying to read it It's just a bad experience. I mean I honestly think there's no problem with ads It's just that they have pushed the line too far to where they're degrading the experience enough for average people to seek out Things like ad blockers You know No script or not script is really the way to go, you know barring just switching to NCSA mosaic Or links links with my first browser. It's a special place in my heart Damn graphical web Captain kippersen is this heartwarming story east texas u.s district judge rodney gillstrap Now, you know the east texas district they're patent friendly everybody wants their patent cases there Rodney gillstrap threw out 168 patent lawsuits filed by edeka Our stagnica reports judge gillstrap said none of edeka's claims met the standard for patenting and offered the defendants The chance to argue for recovery of attorney's fees patent claims tried to cover things like the abstract idea of storing labeling information And in the judge's opinion described routine tasks that could be performed by a human Edeka filed more than a hundred lawsuits last year and 87 of them in a single week in april Wow, when you get an east texas judge to say your patent is worthless your patent's worthless Uh, you know, it's that east texas justice finally making its way to the final digital frontier yeah Motherboard reports that f a that the f a a missed the september 30th congressional deadline to fully regulate commercial drones in the united states The deadline was part of the f a a modernization act congress passed in 2012 directing the f a a to integrate unmanned aerial systems Into the national aerospace system by 2015 the f a a has missed almost Every date that's been set for it regarding drones the f a a expects one million more consumer drones to be sold Over this the holiday season Uh now for your drone rage advocacy corner. Let's turn to our own darin kitchen darin This is fantastic. I couldn't be happier. This delay is so good for real I would rather no laws than really crappy ones, which is so far what's been proposed I feel like the industry is really the reason is the industry is maturing. It's such a fast rate That I have confidence that any of the f a a's concerns are like, oh no We have to limit the scope of this particular rule because you haven't proved that your equipment can You know satisfy our safety concerns in those arenas I have confidence that either a those concerns will be tackled in the extended, you know now that we're in like the 14th or 27th the 34th inning Or or congress will just be like wow f a a like really like it's been years, dude Maybe we should just appoint a new agency just to oversee drones Would you like how feasible is something that would be more Directed at this very specific problem as opposed to having it just be a subsection of the f a a Yeah, no, it's interesting because the f a a was developed to Basically maintain safety for passenger aircraft. So this is It's historically outside of their domain and one of the reasons why they're they're having some struggles with it Well, and and that's where I agree with you that it is better for them to take it slow Then to try to hit these deadlines and put ill considered regulations into place Uh, and I look at the commercial drone application process as an example of the fears were not As bad as the reality There were fears that the f a a would require commercial operators to apply for these permits And then nobody would able to get them and they've been granting them now You can argue that they haven't been granting them fast enough or in large enough numbers maybe But it's not this big wall that nobody can get past, right? Yeah, my concern is that we end up with 2015 era laws that thwart innovation in 2020. Yeah, exactly. Uh, and I don't want another agency to be created Uh, but I maybe the right thing to do is have the f a a create a subcommittee And I even hate the idea of that sound, but but you're right I mean they were created to oversee passenger Aircraft and we do need some rules. We need somebody to set rules. Maybe they could work with the hobbyists Uh, you know to create some regulations that way, uh, bring them in, you know, give them some authority I don't know. I don't really know what the answer is, but you're right There is a risk of of getting still getting poor regulation even as they're missing these deadlines I think that's a great idea. Thomas and since you have this last headline I'm gonna hold my breath and wait for it to happen Chrome extension ad block is now part of ios acceptable advertising program Which allows certain ads onto a whitelist some of which are paid for Also the company that makes the extension has been sold though ad block does not say to whom Extension creator michael gunlock will no longer have any relationship with the company It'll be run by previous director gabriel cubbage Thanks to rachel france for the submission on the subreddit adland.tv Reports ios acceptable advertising program will now be overseen by an independent review board Don't hold your breath anymore. Don't do it. Justin Hey, are we uh, are we cool with ad block extension being sold and now allowing ads Well, didn't we just recommend not scripts the better way to go anyway Yeah I want to throw a bone out to provoxy I really feel like if you're gonna get into ad if ad blocking is seriously what you want to do You shouldn't be doing it on the browser level do it on the network level do it at the entrance to your land Set up yourself a little proxy server Go and check out provoxy. It's cool. It's free and open source It can do way more than just ad blocking and that's that's some cool stuff build your own private proxy And thanks everybody for submitting things that are subreddit dailytechno show reddit.com As you can see we got lots of good ones today. Sometimes it leads to people sending you snacks You just never know dailytechno show reddit.com and that's a look at the headlines Uh, it's fan mail friday We got some really good emails about 4k television about why amazon really might be blocking the apple tv and chromecast from its stores We'll start though with our pick of the day and alex wrote yesterday and said, you know, I'd like to submit a pick Mine would be the len peralta store at len peralta store.com. He's currently working on a star wars themed animal print He has some great gift ideas on his site I can't it was just to make up for me being late No, this was all right. This was I had this in the lineup for hours ago Uh, alex alex just very nicely added this to the end of another email that he he sent us and I was like, yeah, you know what? We always talk about the prints for dts, but there's all kinds of cool stuff over there Yeah, yeah, actually, uh alex is just in you know, is a I really it turned out great Uh, he's he's seen it and he likes it. It is it's really cool that the star wars theme, uh, Uh, little of his animals of his of his boxers are really it's they're really quite his pugs I'm sorry and they look great. It looks great. So thank you so much alex I I appreciate that that's that's very nice. I would I would also add to alex's comment that uh, You should also check out patreon.com slash len. It seems to be really the place to go if you're interested in You know getting lots of art. That's true. I was featured this week by patreon as well So it's a good week to be featured with everybody lucky you uh I would also like to imagine that uh in in len's uh, uh amazing loving and voluminous Family that he has just forgotten that he has a relative name alex Oh I probably do somewhere that's the way it works in the filipino world So said your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can get my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks by the way One of my picks out there is misto box for coffee and they have changed their service From being samples that you can then order from what you can still do To an option that'll be more like blue bottle where they can just send you Different roasts every month based on your taste. So you might want to check that out as well Not an advertisement just something I like I enjoy their coffee All right, let's get to our fan mail friday messages. Collin Is in a co-executive producer from water logged atlanta Rodin and said there was an interesting intersection of news discussion this week And I wanted to make a point about using facebook to log into third party websites I'm an advocate of using facebook to log in wherever it's available But only because I have two-factor authentication turned on for facebook This means I get the benefit of two factor on all those websites that usually don't have the feature available themselves I have fewer logins to keep in one password fewer websites storing my passwords and I get added security In the case of the patreon breach. I created my account with facebook So there's no password for me to change because they never stored one for me Of course, as noted in discussion this week, I'm leaving myself vulnerable to cloud reliability issues with facebook Logins potentially going down but in weighing the risks. I can deal with the potential loss of reliability and return for greater and more Convenient security interested in your thoughts on my use of facebook to log in everywhere Wow, that's that's quite the trade-off. I mean, you know Convenience and security those guys have always been at odds and you're right You could absolutely make the claim that you have actually received both security and convenience simultaneously I should also point out that you may have traded a little bit of freedom and that now all of your stuff's locked up with Facebook and you don't know if they're going to disappear tomorrow or change the way that they work or if they're going to be up Or whatever have you? Just for other people thinking about this maybe some alternatives. I would also suggest keypass. It's gpl It's open source. It's local copy only. It's a browser integrated Um, yeah, but I mean whichever way you decide to go, you know, I do I do absolutely see that He's right. He's right. He makes a very good point if you're just if you want, you know, I don't want to say be lazy But if you just want the like the easy solution and they offer it Why not, you know, I do it for all the time with google services where I'm like well feedly for instance It's like hey, it's a newsreader and I'm like cool You can have my rss feeds. I don't care just sign in with google I like the idea that a third party can give you two factor authentication I like the idea that the password is not stored on every site out there It's it's a safe way to use one password for every every site you go to right because only facebook is vulnerable But that's the downside is Facebook is vulnerable now if you have two factor authentication On that helps right so so that minimizes the risk Uh, but it's really about in this case to me Do you trust facebook? Yeah, and you're you're expecting that there's no hack that then allows An attacker to use pay facebook to pivot into whatever the other web service is Yeah, exactly and and I think You know the idea of a third party that provides logins like you mentioned like google if you trust them Is has some merit to it. Maybe you trust facebook. That's fine. Uh, we should trust no one as we always say but uh Any the you know it's it's like you say darin. It's always it's always trade-offs, right? It's not trust no one tom. It's it's trust everyone It's trust all of the developers on the github for the source that you can actually read through And actually see where the commits were made and by whom and uh, and you know compile your own version and feel secure with Your password manager of choice if it's open source and not some crappy cloud-based proprietary Think that you can't see I'm gonna stop now Let's talk about amazon saying we're not going to sell apple tv's and chromecasts anymore We had a few theories we talked about yesterday lots of folks wrote in and pointed out that hey, wait a minute Amazon doesn't have apps for apple tv and chromecast. They're well within their rights to say We're not going to sell this stuff if they won't put our service on it to which I responded to many of them Yes, but amazon can make Chromecast apps there's already a developer way to do that and apple just released an sdk for apple tv So right at the point where apple opened up and said yes anybody can make an app amazon kicked them out of the store Well, we got some interesting emails two interesting emails that shed some light on this m david packard has sent amazon an email after he saw the mac rumors article about this and got A response he said I vented to amazon and their return email indicates That they are working on an app for the apple tv fourth gen and it would be available in the near future Says take this as it will just comes from a customer service rep But he sent what he said was a copy of the email and in that copy it said Uh, we'll expand amazon video to the upcoming apple tv fourth generation in the near future Now if that's true combine that with what john says he says Chromecast is where amazon and google are in a giant pissing match One could make the argument that google took the first swing when it built the cast sdk Into its play services google's proprietary services Instead of as a standalone sdk since amazon's fire os is a forked version of android It does not use play services Therefore, there's no way for a fire tablet to use chromecast in retaliation amazon seems to have all that abandoned their version of the videos app That's available in the google play store. The last update was march of 2014 Just a month after the cast sdk was released Since then they've updated the version they have available Through their own android app store and while normal android users the vast majority of android users are able to download it from amazon apps Coming from amazon Others can't make use of play services since they have to be compatible with the fire os So even if you get that amazon app through the amazon app store on your android device Doesn't work with chromecast amazon documents how to port your app to use amazon services instead of google yet They refuse to go the other direction. Hope to shed some light on the topic Thank you john in finally feels like fall billings montana This makes perfect sense to me where amazon is saying to chromecast Uh, you're you're blocking us from using the chromecast with the way you have implemented your sdk We don't like it. We're not going to sell your chromecast anymore. And then deciding, you know what? Apple tv's are being phased out anyway This gives us a little cover to say it's not just about google And then as soon as the fourth gen apple tv comes out and we have an app for it We can start selling that one. That's where we'll make all the money anyway doesn't this Just kind of feel Like we are just but simple villagers at the foot of mount olympus and when you know Uh, hercules gets in a fight with uh, you know, his his father and all of a sudden a uh, a lightning bolt Sinches my hut. You wonder why we deserved it. This is a I totally buy that this is a negotiation That is on a a level higher than weather than something as simple as Maw amazon's butthurt and they want to pull, you know, these these products or whatever Uh, I I think all these theories make sense and and they they This is something that will be resolved in in a in a way that you know in the next six months Uh, it really makes this kind of seem like a a a bluff, you know Because amazon at the end of the day is just they are in business. They're in the volume business They sell everything for like three cents over what they buy it uh And electronics are one of the few Uh Vectors that they can actually make decent profit on even when it's third party stuff They have no in what actually makes them money They have no actual interest in not selling electronics that people want to buy. This is all about the you know some Backroom deal that as you know is in a very tender stage and that's why they're doing very Preliminary things like sending emails out to third parties saying stop sending us apple tvs and and and chrome devices because we won't be Storing them in our warehouse. Well and and apple. I'm sorry amazon has done this before with publishers They weren't getting a deal with a publisher that they wanted. They stopped selling their books. They stopped selling putting them up for pre-order Uh, they they they shot themselves in the foot like amazon books. Come on Like that's the root of the company everybody goes to amazon for books And they're like well, so what we're going to use our power for ourselves In this case and I would not be surprised if they're doing the same thing with google I am less i'm skeptical that they're really in a beef with apple Uh, and I fully expect the fourth gen apple tv to be sold through amazon. We'll see if i'm wrong though That well, I just feel like this is exactly why everyone wants to be the platform Whether it's the chromecast or the apple tv or even just like where you buy stuff amazon or the play store or the app store Uh, if you are you can swing your weight around when you are the platform when you feel like you really need to and feel threatened So just seems like amazon feels really threatened as far as like their long-term viability in that space Yeah amazon's beef with apple has always been That apple wants to take 30 of anything sold through the app And amazon's like you don't take 30 when somebody buys, you know, pampers Through our app. Why are you taking 30 of our ebooks and our comics and now possibly amazon prime videos, right? So there could be something there But you're right. It's in the end. It's all about wanting to be the platform for everything Well, and one of the what we're sorry just real quick one of the emails made a very good point This has been the genetic issue With android is that as an open platform the more that these os's get forked by certain companies like samsung and amazon The more they are destined to come into collision with google when they don't play by the android rules Which is why they created android in the first place Uh, we had a discussion earlier this week about data centers and craig If you've ever seen our tech there, you know why i'm yelling his name like that writes Here's a link to the public google webpage that has photos of the inside of a google data center as well as a google street view walk Through of the lenoir north care or lenoir north carolina facility Also google.com slash about slash data centers has more general information about how we run our data centers and craig works in one For example under the efficiency link it talks about how we keep data center floor temperatures at about 80 degrees Which is significantly higher than the 60 to 70 degrees that most other data centers are kept at craig says one of the most fun things i love about working at the one in council bluffs, iowa Is being surrounded by servers and knowing that a lot of the world's data is literally feet away from me I sometimes wonder what is being served or searched for on a machine that i'm working on I have no way of knowing due to our privacy policies. It's still fun to guess I even wonder if some of my own data is on a server i'm working on. It's a fun little game I don't know if this could be considered a pick or not But i thought at least i could help folks learn more about how google stores our users data So we'll have those links in the show notes as well uh, that is super rad and and i think uh Learning about data centers is something that is very worthwhile for people who want to understand the internet And the only data center story i have is uh, uh, your friend of mine, uh, willy deals greggary of, uh, the the many many amazing podcasts At his company that he works at he went to go visit their data center, which was shared at the time by spotify And he just walks by and sees two gigantic racks that are just labeled taylor swift It's i guess now have gone dormant But uh, but too much at the time too much power Uh, yeah, and and if you look up facebook data center, there's a lot of good information about how they do their data centers They have an open platform for data centers that they share with other companies So yeah, look around for information on data centers. There's if you're interested there's lots to be learned It never goes out of style being leds Yeah Adam and shreveport louisiana says it's my belief the chrome os has been google's vision of a stateless computing device It's incredibly easy to sit down at any chrome os device log in and be working on it in just a few seconds You log out your history is completely wiped clean if something goes wrong you power wash it reboot log back in You're back to work instantly I know you can log in as an additional user with android, but it takes much longer And you have to download all your apps and get all synced up before you can start using it Also, what if the android device doesn't have enough storage space for your data before you get started Apple has both ios and mac os 10 So I don't see why everyone makes such a big deal of google attempting to satisfy both markets meaning android and chrome os Do you think that perhaps chrome os is an epic fail because microsoft or any other insert big company or hasn't tried to Copy that kind of concept and create that same sort of like inexpensive stateless machine like we're talking about Yeah, possibly. I mean there are other versions of that out there There's some open source versions out there that are quite nice, but google's the only one spending significant amounts of marketing money On that kind of machine and I think a lot of people still look at it and say yeah, but what about when I don't have an internet connection Right. I'm just wondering like is is this like what in windows rt was supposed to be like What's the response from redmond there, you know, or is the response we're just going to ignore it pretend It doesn't exist. I hope it goes away. I think they're probably looking at windows 10 as evolving Towards that without losing the power that chrome os had to give up to achieve that now right they kind of want to meet that That situation down the road when cloud computing is more powerful and internet is more ubiquitous And it's just a seamless Transition that'd be my guess and and chrome os was always You know in google's mythology of it built for the future that was yet to come Sure, like it was it was their bet that you know one day the future is going to wake up and say hey We're here and it will find a home built for it in chrome os I same for pixel. I mean we made a big deal about oh, it's a pixel with android But but several people have pointed out to me pixel really just means google trying to Drive design by creating advanced designs that are farther down the road than the software that runs on them So and I think the pixel c is an example of that I do just love that google just unapologetically creates the os as just chrome like no, that's it You know It's all you need back anymore. It's escape constellation circa 1997 It is so funny and I think it's in the plex that details the the view the the evolving Philosophical view inside google that it is it is only the browser It is all you need and it was all and one day one day you'll see all of you. You'll all only need the browser Except the android team I really think that chrome and android at google is kind of like apple and lisa or I guess apple and mac Which one of them's lisa though? Only time will tell and then the other one will look back at like we do our palm pilots at least so great Uh, Dave mac do on twitter, uh sent a link to this snopes article By kim le capria, which is a very reasoned article about why the people app that we talked about yesterday Washington post interviewed its founders Might end up being vaporware now as we said yesterday the people app isn't supposed to come out until late november But the snopes article shows that there really isn't any evidence that the app existed or had any kind of development Before august and if that's the case that'd be a hell of a stunt to pull off launching even in beta in november Uh, I don't doubt it I think that this has all the hallmarks of and this is something that i'm sure I could talk about with with jenny But this is all the heart hallmarks of a story and not an app There there is like it has almost Been molded perfectly From the response from the creators, which is like hypocritical with a capital h to the premise that can uh fit into a buzzfeed headline And enrage people enough to comment, uh, it Whether or not it is definitely a thing Uh, it certainly will almost uh Almost without a doubt be more of a story than it is an app If the washington post didn't see a version of it didn't actually get to look at the service In development, that's a problem. Uh, they don't they don't make it clear whether they did or not I would like to know that and also who Looked at it because not all reporters are created equal with looking at apps and understanding. So that's true, too Uh, finally collin wrote in to emphasize that 4k is the resolution hd u hd Are the video spec which includes not just the resolution but the frame rate in the color space He also points out that very few movies have been shot in 4k resolution Uh, he said the revenant is one of the most recent ones to really do it But but the avengers was not shot in full 4k 4k is being driven. He said by tv and camera manufacturers And here's an excerpt from his email Fidelity and color space are where the greatest improvements are available for the least investment A lower resolution with better compression bit depth and color science will give you more results than more pixels The iphone 6s can resolve more pixels than an alexa xt studio camera, but it is not a better camera We will inevitably see more and more producers moving over to 4k But it is far from universal right now So I wouldn't be in a rush to have a 4k display that said the promise of better color space is amazing And certainly backed up by available content, but it simply isn't a reality yet if you'd like to read collin's full email It's he's got great information in there. Uh, we'll have the full text in our show notes at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com But yeah, that's an interesting point. It very much feels like the same argument of megapixels versus, uh, uh, You know lenses and actual, uh die size and things of that nature versus You know, this seems to be the resolution versus bit depth and color space and all of those other wonderful things that make a good image Yeah, absolutely. Well, that is it for fan mail friday. Thank you folks for writing in sharing your expertise with us Uh, we we love that especially from folks who are actually working on things working in the industry Like we heard from today So keep them coming feedback at daily tech news show dot com and makes the show better and and it's informative to everybody else in the audience Uh, that's why we have contributors like darin kitchen. Come on as well h a k 5 dot o r g What's going on over there darin? Well, you remember at the top of the Headlines we were talking about a patreon in the hack and i'm sure all of those All of those juicy emails will end up in a wonderful place, which is have i been pwned dot com it's uh created by Um, try hunt and you can see shannon interview try hunt about just that on hack five a little later today Uh, as well as check out if you're a fan of the movie hackers Uh, check out our hackers kind of Mini documentary about the mythology and lore inside that movie you can find that on youtube.com slash hack five Yeah, the patreon emails are available on troy hunts. Have i been pwned Uh website if you want to check double check and see if you're in there Uh, justin robber young a pleasure as always sir Uh, what is going on in your many worlds? Uh, well first off i'd like to point out that hackers was the first movie that i got drunk in it was a Airplane bottle of coconut rum poured into a uh, a coke at the regal cinemas oakwood in uh, florida so fun fact number two The contender the card game of pre-desk a presidential debate is available right now for pre-order We have uh an announcement that i will make first here on daily tech news show We are keeping production of this card game right here at home USA USA USA Which is going to very much thin our margins, but it will get it in people's hands by christmas Which was something that was very very very important to us, uh, we have much more about that you can go ahead and follow Next week we're actually going to do a huge data dump on so you want to fund a successful card game going into An intricate detail everything we did every dime spent everything we didn't spend Everything in terms of production. We are going to put everything out there Just sign up for our mailing list go to the contender dot us And uh right next to the pre-order button you got our mailing list go ahead and sign up for that And if you haven't pre-ordered it pre-order it because it's super rad and we did our final play test last week And we're laughing so hard. We annoyed everybody else at the patio bar. We were at so Uh, i'm very happy with it and i hope you guys will be too you too can be the good fellows of card games And annoy everyone else in the bar you're at indeed twitter.com slash justin are you Len peralta, what have you been drawing? You know, uh, I saw that it was fan mail friday and I wanted to do something I just I thought it'd be kind of funny the the stories are all very very interesting But the one that kind of stood out to me is amazon not liking apple and taking apple So I took it rather literally I drew an amazon taking a bite of an apple and say amazon hate apple I don't know. Sorry guys It's a friday Is he chrome casting the apple away? Yeah, he is he's He's cast. Yes, exactly chrome casting. It'll be very good. Very good. All right. Yeah, I know Look folks lens from cleveland, okay Keep it in mind go to len peralta store.com take a look at lens art. Uh, you can find it there and uh You know Maybe maybe add an s to hate. I don't know. Well, no, I mean listen I I feel like maybe there is an entire niche out there that really doesn't like Apple and apple products and maybe this is something that they would like to put up on their wall Well, it's for someone who is an amazon fanboy possibly Yeah, for all the amazon fanboys, you definitely need to go to lemperalta store.com especially you alex Uh, especially you alex. 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You can give us a call 51259 daily It's 51259 32459 listen to the show live Monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern at player dot alpha geek radio dot com and visit our website daily tech new show dot com Back on monday with justin robber young again and ronika belmont talk to you then The show is part of the frog pants network get more at the frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover Boom uh show what should we call it? Uh, I'll say what I actually got to go because i'm late for coffee with everyone's friend molly Oh, well tell molly would I said hello? I will uh, I will see you guys later audience. Take care. We'll see you Google gets alphabetized FAA misses the drone The ffa fails to fly. Hmm. There's something there, but FAA Actually, they could do crop dusting never mind I'm by the fAA. Oh, that's that's that's actually kind of cute Which one time flies by the fAA Anyway, the script wars Swear the facebook oaf or oath. Oh, got it. I like that beatmaster That's clever. I like bleach blanket bingo Breach blanket bingo Actually breach bingo is that not already a thing Well, beach blanket bingo is the name of a very famous fifties beach movie Is that the digit? Yeah, it's kind of the same period. Yeah Yeah, we were all shot in studios Or sets Tech gods are angry and we're getting burnt The script wars FAA misses its flight FAA drone regulations don't get off the ground One flew over the fAA These are really good One flew over the fAA. Yeah, I like that Oh, man I went to a great show in toronto once I was like bird flew over the I forget what now, but it was about the bird flew Mm-hmm Amazouce Not another box That was made lead laugh I think that's funny. It's good The tech gods are angry and we're getting burnt It's pretty good, dude. Mm-hmm I don't know folks Breach blanket bingo is my favorite so far, but I like amazouce too I'm for amazouce. You're fine amazouce Ah, actually now that I look at it. I might like dyslexia read that in the rss reader and be like, huh? Amazaeus amazaeus Rock me amazaeus There it is Rock me amazaeus. Is that it? Is that our is that our uh rock me amazaeus Amazaeus Excellent. It's collaborative Oh, you got to put the ooo in front of it Oh Tom I got to tell you I had an epiphany here recently Yeah In the middle of the show as we were talking about this I realized that if instead of the ipod coming out by apple in 2001 if google had released chrome as some sort of media player that has rss integration to download audio and video files and such that we would potentially not be podcasters But chrome casters And I don't know what kind of parallel universe that would that would mean I want to write an alternative alternative history story now That would actually be the only thing that's different though and and well no there'd be no apple right because what brought apple back really was the ipod So apple would still be this kind of like oh outlier company You know what we would be stuck with the trio and the blackberry. Yeah, that's what would happen Or actually the android that that google was initially going to release But then got swooped by apple and then the you see the original drawings And you're like wow they made a blackberry that was pretty terrible So would we be tree casting then? G g c cast no it'd be chrome casting it just be chrome cast. Yeah, you're right for the trio with tree casting If amazon had won the audio wars then we would be Fire casters That sounds pretty good actually you assume that the wars are over Oh Do you think that something is going to supplant podcasting? Uh, sometimes soon? Well, I don't know the telephone Why would anyone want to talk over a wire when you can just tap on it? Yeah, sure. Have someone else do it. You just do any others at high public Whatever want to television when you could just have the radio Oh Wait a second who would ever want the FM radio that's more powerful than am Waste of money Frequency, why would you modulate the frequency when you can modulate the amplitude? I don't know, but I own all those patents amplitude modulation can do everything this frequency modulation can do It just doesn't yet. It's hysteria You got am stereo now I thought you had to do something special with am for stereo Yeah, exactly. You have to do something Hold on dead clouds behind you. They're very dead clouds I have dead clouds white red puffy clouds red clouds at night You know what else to be I don't know if it's in frame. Is it in frame? Nope goes right. Ah the frame ends like right here bummer Oh They have to modulate the phase as well as the amplitude for a stereo. Hmm You guys all saw the mr. Robot. I drew right. Oh, it's so good. No, I did not see that. I have to get it It's on the front page of the uh of the of the store. I put it off. It's really good It hacked me just looking at it Yeah, it was it was you know, I was just I I watched the show and then I was like I just drew it and a lot of tons of people like this. I'm like, I'm just gonna put it up here and see what happens It's not a good idea. Very nice Senor robot All right, I gotta figure out what i'm doing. It's been one hell of a week. Forgetting man Am I I don't know. It's been getting on friday at a long time No, you know why because there's a bunch of a bunch of people missing so it doesn't really make sense for you to make a Well, that's that was your excuse last friday. I know your excuse after the rapture too. Seriously Seriously, they're uh, you know, we're missing like three or four people. So it's like and then the aliens came through and you had the same excuse We gather every friday expecting spaghetti. I know I know well, I can actually go out and get it I just insist, you know, it's a big meal and then everybody you know There's not enough people to clean up afterwards and it's like What don't you do shelves then? Oh, or uh, you know what I could do something which is like, you know Just you know, do something in the afternoon like put a lasagna in or something and then it'd be done. Oh, yeah, that's smart Well, you do a casserole and just make rice Lasagna's kind of like a casserole exactly the same thing same same work procedure Same put everything together. Yeah prepare and then leave in the oven and drink a glass of wine I think actually we're doing we're missing a major opportunity here in post show to uh to integrate um A straw poll for dinner Ah, what should Len eat for dinner straw poll? You'd be willing to leave your dinner choices available to the crowd. That'd be interesting. That'd be interesting actually Wait, uh, the straw poll doesn't allow you to add additional choices though, right? Well, no, you can after you say what when you set it up you can have multiple choices. Yeah Yeah, what should let what should Len get for dinner? If usually that's you know, that'll be open to uh, you know, where we should we eat Because if it's small it's a small enough group that I can just like take a small little group We give us the choices, you know, like what are the what are the options? Yeah, like I can't go to in and out right because there's not one near us So but there so that one's out right not in just like yeah, there's not I mean that's I mean there's tons of restaurants But then I have to like, you know, it's a good substitute. Oh, yeah, fridays is what is it? Five guys. Yeah I'm guys Only problem with that is that the little the three-year-old doesn't really eat those huge burgers So but they do sell hot dogs now. He likes hot dogs. Gotta learn sometime Yeah, yeah, open up wide Hey, what happened by the way, did did did uh, did you send it and it just was slow getting me? I don't what was what happened with the with the invite I sent it through. I didn't email it to you. That was my mistake. I should have done that But I sent it through hangout Oh, yeah, I don't know falls on that. Yeah, I don't know falls on that page the chat thing and So so I sent it through chat The the g chat whatever they call it these days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but um, and so I guess that didn't get to you Or something. Yeah, I was I wasn't in there because I was waiting for the email to come I think Okay, so that's my mistake for not sending the email but as a backup you can always go into slack Oh, because I always put it in slack for anybody So only if it fails like this in the future and I forget to email Look in slack and you'll see you there. Okay I feel like in this day and age we would have invented like some sort of uh standard I'd be means for us to to collaborate and communicate and send text to each other This is a beautiful. I think it's an opportunity though for a beautiful Exhibition of the modern problem, which is sure we've got slack for that or We could use hangouts for that or you can't get everybody on the same platform. There's too many platforms. Yeah, everybody wants to be the platform That's the whole thing It's option paralysis because you don't know where to go to get the information Yeah, we talked about this before sending an email. You'll make it building an email infrastructure Well, right then there's certain people like if I send them an email I know they'll never see it it'll take forever But if I send them a text message I have a 50 chance they'll be paying attention But if I get them on twitter, maybe, you know, like everybody's got a different route Yeah, I uh, I don't I use I thought slack was only on My phone, but apparently it's also online. Where would it be with like a direct message? You can go into a browser and sign into it. Yeah, I'm there right now uh If you go into dtns's daily channel Daily you'll see the Oh, oh, they'll see a lot of gifs Okay, yeah Okay, okay. Well, this is good. That's good to know. So yeah What's also good to know is that there is in fact a straw poll now. Yes, I saw A poll pot Well, that's just the eternal third option on any poll And from chat room anyway Hamburger it's hamburgers or spaghetti. That's what you're choosing It's Looks like the full pots winning actually actually you're having Cambodian tonight. You know, uh, yeah, I can There's I have to see what's around here. I like poll pot man. Jeez Cambodian food's really good. I put the pot you boil it. I don't know if they would appreciate the uh comparison Spaghetti hamburgers other Okay, I got that's it. I'm gonna go get some pulled pot Sounds delicious But that's all right, that's that's good with me, man. I hate anything. Hey the people have spoken I'm good with whatever. Hey, man. I do not complain about food really like it's like hey, this is good I like it kids, you know, I hate when my kids are so Oh, I don't know. Let's do spicy. I'm like, oh come on Come on, you know, my parents did Yeah, what did your parents do said eat it because that's it That's it I don't mind it too like that's I mean at home for sure. It was what's on your plate you eat Right in a restaurant even they'd be like, well, you ordered it. Shouldn't order it if you didn't want Well our kids Man, I mean, it's really I mean when we had like everybody here It's like we had a kid who didn't like food wouldn't eat It's like well, then you just got to make your own dinner No, just because this is what it is if you don't if you don't like it you got to make your own dinner And uh, so usually it was like, uh, then we had to like give them something later like here Here's sandwich, but they didn't like the option of having to make their own dinner. It's like Oh, that's how I have like three or four different meals. That's how I learned how to cook I'm just gonna learn how to cook the stuff I want to eat One of the funniest things that ever happened was when my when my oldest son was real small Uh, he was not eating like we had like we just made like a can of like Ravioli or spaghetti or something and he didn't like it and he's like it's not I His mom was like, uh, I didn't make it. He's like, oh, it's from a can You know and then he's Oh, and then it was fine. Yeah, he loved. Yeah, if it was from a can everything's good. Oh insulting Yeah, it was really insulting All right, gotta figure it out, but uh, all right excellent right now this week. See I said, uh, I said it wasn't uh Usually I have an off an off week. This might have been the off week here. So No worries, man. Uh, thanks everybody for watching. We'll talk to you later